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Offline acer66

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Hello,

Looking for real world reviews or recommendations about induction cooktops.
Was about to sign up for digital Consumer Report again but reviews about CR are not very good anymore.
Looked at a few different forums and it was not promising.

Is anyone using an induction cooktop and like to share their experience?
I am looking for a 30” non smart one and while I would like one with downdraft they are a bit to spendy.

Thank you.

Offline Dane

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2021, 07:32 PM »
I’ve used nothing but induction for over 10 years now.  I’d never go back...I’m a pretty serious cook and after my time with the induction, the claim that gas is somehow superior is simply BS.  Whenever I cook on gas now I can’t believe how much heat is wasted- hot handles, smelly...I actually just bought another one- there a scream in deal on a highly reviewed Fridgaire right now.  Now if, for whatever reason you want to use aluminum or copper, you are out of luck.  But I’m all carbon steel, stainless and cast iron anyway.  Really the only drawback if if you want to char some peppers on an open flame or something- but I just use a torch or the broiler, or the grill.

Offline Peter_C

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2021, 07:45 PM »
Good luck on the non smart one. They don't really exist in anything other than full gas with simple knobs. The worst is a stove where the controls are at the rear.

I've been using my parents Kitchenaid stove and the stove top has failed previously. The oven takes forever to heat up, but that could be an amperage issue that I am not going to even look at before selling the place. Owning a Kitchenaid Dual Fuel myself I would not recommend one. Bosch is probably superior but I haven't researched them. The more you spend the better the stove will be.

Induction stoves today are actually very powerful and can boil water fast.

What is your budget for a stove? Are we talking Wolf/Viking or ultra cost effective?

Offline acer66

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2021, 08:47 PM »
Yeah, I got gas right now and do not like it for the reasons Dane mentioned and Peter_C I am looking for just an induction cooktop not a range and am looking to spend up to around $2k.

Offline Dane

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2021, 09:25 PM »
I have owned Bosch, GE, Miele and Electrolux induction units.  The first three I never had issues with- the Electrolux was terrible.  None of the ones that I have owned have had "smart" features.  I'd look for a Bosch or a Miele unit.  I actually think that some of the premium brands- Viking, Thermador etc.  have worse reliability and performance ratings than a Bosh or a Miele.  I have also have good luck getting cooktops on Ebay.  Not sure if you like to roll the dice that way, but you do get some great prices.  I see some sub-1000.00 Bosh units on there right now.

Offline xedos

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2021, 09:57 AM »
houzz's appliance forum will have info and discussion on induction ad nauseum. 

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2021, 10:00 AM »
We recently bought a Frigidaire range with induction cook top. I have had gas ranges and I think the induction is much more convenient. We can boil a 1.75 liter kettle in 4 minutes. The instant on and off is also fantastic. They are much safer than gas. If you remove a pot the burner turns off after a couple of minutes. With our previous range I turned on the wrong burner and ruined a nice maple cutting board that I had sitting beside the pot. That would not happen with the induction top.

The Frigidaire is a budget priced range but has very good reviews, and we are very happy with it. It has an air fry oven that works well for some items but is messy.

I have a glass tea pot I like to keep warm on the stove top. I took a 7.25" saw blade and cut all the teeth off it and ground it smooth and use it under the glass tea pot. All our other pots are induction capable, so that was not an issue for us.

 
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2021, 10:05 AM »
“ I have a glass tea pot I like to keep warm on the stove top. I took a 7.25" saw blade and cut all the teeth off it and ground it smooth and use it under the glass tea pot. All our other pots are induction capable, so that was not an issue for us.”

I was wondering if all non conductive cookware would be useless with an induction “burner”.

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2021, 11:41 AM »
"I was wondering if all non conductive cookware would be useless with an induction “burner”

You can buy what they call induction conversion plates but repurposing an old saw blade gave me a job to do. Also, it fits my tea pot perfectly.

We all probably have a few saw blades around that would be more useful if repurposed ;)
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Offline acer66

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2021, 06:10 PM »
We recently bought a Frigidaire range with induction cook top. I have had gas ranges and I think the induction is much more convenient. We can boil a 1.75 liter kettle in 4 minutes. The instant on and off is also fantastic. They are much safer than gas. If you remove a pot the burner turns off after a couple of minutes. With our previous range I turned on the wrong burner and ruined a nice maple cutting board that I had sitting beside the pot. That would not happen with the induction top.

The Frigidaire is a budget priced range but has very good reviews, and we are very happy with it. It has an air fry oven that works well for some items but is messy.

I have a glass tea pot I like to keep warm on the stove top. I took a 7.25" saw blade and cut all the teeth off it and ground it smooth and use it under the glass tea pot. All our other pots are induction capable, so that was not an issue for us.

Is that what you have?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/FRIGIDAIRE-GALLERY-30-in-5-4-cu-ft-Front-Control-Induction-Range-with-Air-Fry-in-Stainless-Steel-FGIH3047VF/311224897?MERCH=REC-_-pip_alternatives-_-311644766-_-311224897-_-N&

Offline acer66

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2021, 06:12 PM »
houzz's appliance forum will have info and discussion on induction ad nauseum.

Yeah just trying to avoid the ad nauseam part.


Another question would be if there are any features you would not want to miss or would like to have.

Thank you.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2021, 06:14 PM by acer66 »

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2021, 07:02 PM »
We recently bought a Frigidaire range with induction cook top. I have had gas ranges and I think the induction is much more convenient. We can boil a 1.75 liter kettle in 4 minutes. The instant on and off is also fantastic. They are much safer than gas. If you remove a pot the burner turns off after a couple of minutes. With our previous range I turned on the wrong burner and ruined a nice maple cutting board that I had sitting beside the pot. That would not happen with the induction top.

The Frigidaire is a budget priced range but has very good reviews, and we are very happy with it. It has an air fry oven that works well for some items but is messy.

I have a glass tea pot I like to keep warm on the stove top. I took a 7.25" saw blade and cut all the teeth off it and ground it smooth and use it under the glass tea pot. All our other pots are induction capable, so that was not an issue for us.

Is that what you have?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/FRIGIDAIRE-GALLERY-30-in-5-4-cu-ft-Front-Control-Induction-Range-with-Air-Fry-in-Stainless-Steel-FGIH3047VF/311224897?MERCH=REC-_-pip_alternatives-_-311644766-_-311224897-_-N&

Ours has the controls on the back side but the same oven and cook top.

https://www.homedepot.ca/product/frigidaire-gallery-30-inch-5-4-cu-ft-freestanding-induction-range-with-air-fry-in-smudge-proof-stainless-steel/1001542822
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Offline promark747

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2021, 10:34 PM »
Question for induction owners: are the stove tops quiet?  I have had several portable induction cooktops, and while I love cooking on them, they all have noisy fans. I would not consider a full-size induction top unless it was silent like my current electric/halogen.

Offline Peter_C

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2021, 11:24 PM »
Question for induction owners: are the stove tops quiet?  I have had several portable induction cooktops, and while I love cooking on them, they all have noisy fans. I would not consider a full-size induction top unless it was silent like my current electric/halogen.
The one I use only makes a buzzing sound on high. The fan seems to mostly come on after awhile when using the oven. It is pretty quiet though. The fan is only on when a temperature sensor turns it on.

Offline Oldwood

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2021, 08:30 AM »
Question for induction owners: are the stove tops quiet?  I have had several portable induction cooktops, and while I love cooking on them, they all have noisy fans. I would not consider a full-size induction top unless it was silent like my current electric/halogen.
The one I use only makes a buzzing sound on high. The fan seems to mostly come on after awhile when using the oven. It is pretty quiet though. The fan is only on when a temperature sensor turns it on.

This is how mine is also. I also had a portable top with a noisy fan before I got the range and was concerned the range would be a problem, but it has not been a problem for us.
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Offline jaguar36

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2021, 01:59 PM »
Induction cooktops are the best.  I don't understand how people can use a gas stove after trying an induction one.

Things to watch out for are how quickly it comes back on after you lift the pot of the surface.  My Bosch Benchmark one takes a second or two to kick back on, can be irritating if you're shaking a stir fry. My buddies Bosch comes back on instantaneously.

Also look at the controls, I hate the touch controls on mine, really wish there was just a simple knob for each unit.

Offline xedos

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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2021, 02:17 PM »
houzz's appliance forum will have info and discussion on induction ad nauseum.

Yeah just trying to avoid the ad nauseam part.

Another question would be if there are any features you would not want to miss or would like to have.

You say that , but ..........

also said you wanted simple and then asked about can't miss features.  Feature laden is not simple.

I'll reiterate, get over to houzz and read the numerous induction threads.  I'm fairly certain your questions have been asked and answered over there already.

I prefer full surface induction tops, but the few that exist are waaaay outside your stated budget.

Offline Packard

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2021, 03:37 PM »
I have the GE induction top. 

I had bought a single burner induction top and found it excellent, so when it came time to replace the top I went with the induction top.

1.  It boils water insanely fast.
2.  It holds temperature to a very narrow temperature range.
3.  10 heat settings.
4.  If you forget to turn it off and nothing is on it, it will turn itself off.
5.  The burner itself does not heat up.  There is heat transferred from the pot to the burner so it will get hot, but it cools fast.
6.  I left it on a couple of times and if it gets too hot it will turn itself off automatically.
7.  The heat across the surface is perfectly uniform regardless of the quality of the pan.
8.  The more iron for the magnet to transfer energy to, the faster it heats.  Cast iron heats faster than anything else.
9.  Aluminum pans will not work.
10.  Some aluminum pans have a perforated steel plate on the bottom.  Those heat slower than other pans because there is less mass.
11. You need 400 series stainless steel for this to work.  300 series will not heat.  Test with a magnet.  If it sticks, it will work.
12. It is over 90% efficient in energy transfer.  Gas has an efficiency of 45 to 50%.
13. Induction heats the bottom of the pan only.
14.  Gas, especially on high, will heat the sides of the pan or pot.

Disappointments:

The hot plate had a timer that would turn off the element.
The cook top has a timer that merely chimes when it is time.

Special cleaning materials are required if you have any stuck on food.


Overall:

I would not like to go back to gas or conventional electric.  I did have to give away some pots and pans and replacing them was an added expense. 

Also if you like to shift the pan back and forth you will not be applying any heat at all once it is lifted off the burner.  Gas heat will be moderated but still applied. 

The main reason I hear that people like gas is for uniform heating of pots and pans.  The induction stovetop is 100% uniform. 

With children in the house this is the safest option.

The alternative is to have a gas stove top and a single burner induction burner along side.  Single burner units can be controlled by the timer.  Multi-burner units cannot.

In the summer it does not make the kitchen hot like a gas stove top would.



My Recommendation to all is skip the gas and conventional electric.  Go with induction.

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Offline Packard

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2021, 09:50 AM »
I have an induction top.  Before I got that, I bought a cheap induction hot plate.  I liked that so much that I got the induction top.

1.  Induction tops are more expensive than other electric tops.
2.  They require all new pots and pans (only pots that a magnet will stick to will work).

On the plus side.

1.  They are safer
2.  They are 84%+ efficient (as opposed to just 40% for gas, and 74%  for heating element electric cooktops.
3.  They boil a pot of water in under a minute.
4.  Temperature control is much more exact.
5.  Heating is 100% uniform over the entire surface--a big deal is made of that for gas ranges. 
6.  It heats the bottom of the pot or pan only.  Standard electric and especially gas, heat the sides of the pots and pans.

I recommend you try an induction hot plate first.  They are very handy.  You will find you will love it or not.   $72.00 from Amazon (10 years ago I paid less than $40.00 from Costco).  But still, cheap enough to find out if you love it or not.  Induction cooktops are more expensive than heating element cooktops, so it is good to know in advance. 

https://www.amazon.com/Secura-9100MC-Portable-Induction-Countertop/dp/B00GMCAM2G/ref=sr_1_1?crid=Y6UISMT61IXB&dchild=1&keywords=induction+hot+plates+for+cooking&qid=1625060772&sprefix=induction+hot+%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-1


Offline DeformedTree

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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2021, 10:38 AM »
that wire cutter article is terrible,  clearly someone who is so into Gas they can't begin to realize how awful it is.

The NYT has a dumb headline, but isn't so bad.  I think the induction cooktops are more common than they think.  After all, it's basically something for cooktops, not slide in ranges.  Slide in ranges are still massively common, so yeah, not as easy to change.  People only change a cooktop as often as they re-do the kitchen.  So someone might be waiting 20-30 years till they switch.

On the cookware, I have to wonder how many people don't have iron based cookware. I would expect very few people would have to buy new cookware as almost everyone has Stainless cookware of some form.  Only area that can be rough is some specialty cookware.  Items like flat griddles tend to be aluminum. Cookware that you don't use very much, so it's often a random cheap item, those are the ones that tend to be aluminum.
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Offline Packard

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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2021, 11:04 AM »
Not all stainless steel will work on induction tops.

400 series stainless steel is magnetic, but will display some rust and does not polish well.  My water kettle is 300 series on the top and the base is 400 series (which is magnetic).  The bottom is all black over the years and will not clean up well.  The upper part is shiny and mirror-like.

I have a frying pan with a perforated stainless steel plate on the bottom.  But the magnetic portion has less mass than other pans and it takes longer to heat up.

Cast iron heats the best--super fast. 

I have accidentally left the induction top on and had the water boil off.  It will then get too hot and turn itself off before there is any damage.  For forgetful cooks like myself, that is reason enough to buy induction.

The single element hot plate had a timer and it would turn off the burner at the end.  The four-burner GE also has a timer but it is audible only.  It does not control the burners. 

Remember that induction tops do not get hot themselves.  They only heat the pot or pan.  There is heat transfer to the glass from the pot so you can still burn yourself.  But it cools off much quicker than a regular electric stovetop and there is an indicator showing when it gets hot. 

The induction hot plate is a good way to see if you like the technology.  And it remains useful long after the new cooktop arrives. 

Note:  I don't have gas piping to my house.  If I were to get a gas stove, I would have to install a tank and get propane.  It was never a realistic option for me.  It was just between conventional electric (cheaper purchase price) or induction (almost twice the cost at that time).

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2021, 11:25 AM »


On the cookware, I have to wonder how many people don't have iron based cookware. I would expect very few people would have to buy new cookware as almost everyone has Stainless cookware of some form.  Only area that can be rough is some specialty cookware.  Items like flat griddles tend to be aluminum. Cookware that you don't use very much, so it's often a random cheap item, those are the ones that tend to be aluminum.


   You have got to be kidding.  There are a number of manufacturers that have been making high quality aluminum for decades. And these are not companies that would be doing it unless they were selling millions and millions and millions of pieces.  There is plenty of cheapo aluminum but also plenty of really good stuff.

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    Personally I like the concept of induction a lot.  Lots of advantages.

    But I would have to give up the cookware that I have now and I really like.  Couple that with the fact that I pretty much hate cast iron, with non-coated stainless a close second and now I have a project of finding new cookware. I will probably make the change at some point. Every time I see the topic on something or hear someone talking about it, I think a little more about switching. But it isn't a pressing matter.

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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2021, 12:58 PM »
My 2 cents:


Induction is way better regarding the microclimate in your kitchen/house. Gas will launch myriads of particles in the air (among them stuff that is harmful to your health, such as burned oil drops etc), which needs to be offset by heavy duty extraction (not very energy efficient).


Also re the cookware. You can use an intermediary plate of steel when your cookware is not 'magnetic'. It adds to the energy cost and the risk of burning fingers, hands and cats' paws, but it does work.


(FYI I do not have induction yet, but plan on converting within the next two years, depending on the availability of low profile modules — my current gas setup needs only about two inches, and I don't want to do a to of converting in the cabinets below it.)
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Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2021, 01:24 PM »
"But I would have to give up the cookware that I have now and I really like."

I would bet that is what holds most people from making the changeover to induction.

Also, if you've renno'd your kitchen in the past 8 to 10 years you probably installed a new cooktop or range. These are as we all know appliances that have a long life. A 10 year cooktop is only middle age if it's a quality appliance, and most likely has another 10 years left in it. You'd never get back much if you sold it, so it goes to the dump or you pass it off to someone you know or in the family.

So only getting half the usable life out of your old cooktop plus possibly having to change out your cookware adds to the cost of 'upgrading' significantly I think. I would have induction in a heart beat, but the wife refuses to even consider it. But she will pitch a fit tonight when she is sweating over that hot cooktop because of all the waste heat thrown out into the room.

In reality SHE is the biggest obstacle in our house to changing over to induction.
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2021, 02:35 PM »
I gave up a lot of cookware I really liked and gave it to people I really like.  Not so painful in that context. 

The evenness of heating and the constancy of temperature are good advantages.

Carry a magnet when you shop for cookware.  The more strongly the magnet adheres to base of the cookware the faster it will transfer the energy and heat the pot/pan.


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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2021, 03:37 PM »
on the cookware, it's definitely a "YMMV" type situation.  In general I would say most people start out with hand-me-downs, then buy some cheap stuff, and then at some point buy "quality stuff",  when that happens, my experience is people pretty much only buy some form of stainless clad cookware.  Stuff like copper exist, but that has always looked to be something people bought for a "look" and don't even cook much. A good chunk of the population have been well aware of induction their adult life, so even if they don't have induction, they planned for it when they bought their "life time cookware".  But they could still be several years out from a kitchen remodel, they may have just managed to buy a house not long ago.

I would say for the past 10-15 years,  "induction ready" has been a big part of cookware marketing. I think unless someone is going for some "look" or "trendy" looking thing, they are probably going to be buying an induction ready cookware. So yeah, if you bought your "lifetime" cookware back in the 80s/90s,  it would be more of an issue. For those who did that in more recent times, far less an issue.
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2021, 04:01 PM »
I have never understood why, but a cooktop costs almost the same as an entire stove.  Or why wall ovens with no cooktop cost more than stoves. 


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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2021, 12:49 PM »
If I had a high end gas stove I would be inclined to install a single burner induction cook top just for its fast boiling of water.

The stove is just $325.00.  Cutting a hole in stone can be done with an angle grinder.  The cooktop has a generous overlay, so the cut does not have to be precise.  You might have to call in an electrician.  Most counters would have a small area where this could be fitted.

https://www.compactappliance.com/sinc1110-summit-single-zone-built-in-induction-cooktop/SINC1110.html


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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2021, 03:52 PM »
What is a "high end gas stove"? Does it get more heat from the same gas? Does it burn a smaller flame with more power?

I've cooked on induction for close to 9 years. I'll never return to something else. It's clean, fast, no exhaust water, no CO2, no burning your fingers, no pots tipping over, a timer on each zone...

And by fast I really mean fast. A gas burner might do 1.8 kW, a comparable induction zone 3.1 kW in boost, but the gas burner will just blow half the heat to the handles of the pan.

And best is yet to come; The whole cooktop clean in 10 seconds.

However, not all induction cooktops are made the same. Some have too few settings. Some cheaper ones have less power per zone. Some other cheaper ones will have coilwhine.

But all in all; induction over gas all day and gas over any other electric form of cooking.

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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2021, 04:39 PM »
What is a "high end gas stove"? Does it get more heat from the same gas? Does it burn a smaller flame with more power?

I've cooked on induction for close to 9 years. I'll never return to something else. It's clean, fast, no exhaust water, no CO2, no burning your fingers, no pots tipping over, a timer on each zone...

And by fast I really mean fast. A gas burner might do 1.8 kW, a comparable induction zone 3.1 kW in boost, but the gas burner will just blow half the heat to the handles of the pan.

And best is yet to come; The whole cooktop clean in 10 seconds.

However, not all induction cooktops are made the same. Some have too few settings. Some cheaper ones have less power per zone. Some other cheaper ones will have coilwhine.

But all in all; induction over gas all day and gas over any other electric form of cooking.

A "high-end" stove is a very expensive appliance that pretends to be a professional chef's tool. 

I am also a convert to induction.  I started with a induction hot plate (which I loved).  I bought the top rated GE cooktop when I replaced the old one.  My big disappointment was when I learned that the timer did not turn off the burners.  It just beeped. 

The single burner one had a timer that beeped and then shut off the heat. I'm forgetful, and automatic turn off is a plus.

The induction top will turn off if the heat gets too high (like when I forget to turn off the water kettle and the water evaporates).  That is a good safety  feature, but the ceramic top looks slightly discolored as a result. 

I like the non-stick pans and I can't find them on cast iron.  I do have a cast iron Dutch oven and that heats amazingly fast.  The heavy  casting offers a lot of magnetic transfer. 

If my next home has a gas stove I will have one of those single burner induction units installed next to it.  It will get 90% of the use I have for a stove top.  (I rarely have more than one burner going--I'm more of a nuke-em, type cook.)

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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2021, 05:13 PM »
And best is yet to come; The whole cooktop clean in 10 seconds.

I was never much of an electric stove guy before, but glass-top ranges are definitely a game changer for cleaning and just overall organization.

We also put tortillas directly on our conventional electric glass top to heat them for wraps, but I haven't risked making a quesadilla that way yet (a trick I picked up from my pastor's wife).  Tried to do that with naan, but it was way too greasy and I had the temp up too high.  Luckily, it cleaned fairly easily with the right solutions and elbow grease.

While the range top is still warm (but not HOT), a damp-to-wet cotton cloth wipes and dries nicely.

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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2021, 06:31 PM »
And best is yet to come; The whole cooktop clean in 10 seconds.


While the range top is still warm (but not HOT), a damp-to-wet cotton cloth wipes and dries nicely.

The other advantage of induction is that you really can’t bake food onto the surface.  Only the magnetic pot gets hot. Food that lands on the surface does not.

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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2021, 06:31 PM »
I was so excited when I moved into my house in 2008 because it had a "Gourmet Kitchen" with all GE Monogram appliances, including a GE Monogram Gas cooktop.  I've been disappointed with all of them!

I had always thought that gas was the best way to cook, but it's been a major let down.  Most of the heat energy is going around the pan/pot.  When I turn the heat way down, the burner annoyingly keeps ticking so the flame doesn't go out.  Cleaning the gas cooktop is really difficult too.

A smooth cooktop would be much easier to clean.  It sounds like induction is the way to go.  Would a 5 burner induction cooktop require 220/240V?
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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2021, 07:19 PM »
I was so excited when I moved into my house in 2008 because it had a "Gourmet Kitchen" with all GE Monogram appliances, including a GE Monogram Gas cooktop.  I've been disappointed with all of them!

Perhaps a gas range from "General Electric" is a bit suspect :-)

We have a Wolf five burner gas cook top that I am very happy with.     Has a nice high setting and very low simmer (without the igniter clicking).   

I have had some experience with a flat electric range in my mother in laws house.  It was a pain to clean because a boil over went everywhere and tended to burn/stick on the glass.   This might be less of a problem with induction cooktops because the smooth surface may not get as hot.

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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2021, 07:39 PM »
For baked on food on flat cooktops (any kind), fold a terry cloth towel to a size that covers the offending food and place it over the “mess”. Pour hot Or boiling water over the towel until it is completely saturated and leave it overnight. The baked food should soften enough to scrape off (use an approved plastic scraper). If the mess is really thick, it may require a second treatment.

This is time consuming but not labor intensive. It is also environmentally safe.

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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2021, 09:54 PM »

A smooth cooktop would be much easier to clean.  It sounds like induction is the way to go.  Would a 5 burner induction cooktop require 220/240V?

A 36" induction top is generally requiring 240V/50-60A feed.  So it's nice if you are close to your electric panel.  Not that it's really any different than any electric stove.  If the builder had any forward mind and ran electrical to everything along with gas, you would probably be ok. I think a lot of tops can also run on 40A breakers, they generally assume no one has all elements at full power at once.

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« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2021, 10:09 PM »
What is a "high end gas stove"? Does it get more heat from the same gas? Does it burn a smaller flame with more power?


In the US it has to do with a trend started in the 80s.  Viking Brand is mainly to blame(founded in 1987).  Basically, someone wanted a stove that looked like the kind found in a professional kitchen.

The marketing on gas stoves has been a huge thing since the 80s, and people have bought into the ideas sold to them.  Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".
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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2021, 10:54 PM »
Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".

I think they call them "influencers".

And now I have this voice in my head of Hank Hill reminding me to subscribe to his channel and hit the bell so that I know when I can see the latest videos on propane and propane accessories... ;)

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« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2021, 11:36 PM »
Ah, thanks

Here is an article about what I was mentioning Link

And for a bit of history on how these ridiculous "high end gas stoves" got going, I found a history on Viking.  Interesting how it was basically designers/magazines wanting the look that made it happen, the existing manufactures were not interested.  Again, those stoves are kitchen fashion items.

link

That top end Viking in 1987 with inflation would be over 11K today.

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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2021, 01:36 PM »
That top end Viking in 1987 with inflation would be over 11K today.
I would expect they are all hard to find right now due to COVID, but Monogram, Thermador, Wolf, etc. were all in roughly that price range for a 48" dual fuel range when we looked 4 years ago.

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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2021, 05:35 PM »
Some houses that were on the market that I looked at had these expensive stoves in them and in the sales text it was being praised as a good thing. I was like "do I have to rent a forklift to move that thing to the trash?" "Do I have to grind it in two to fit through the door?" "Is this where people spend their black cash on?"  [scared]


A smooth cooktop would be much easier to clean.  It sounds like induction is the way to go.  Would a 5 burner induction cooktop require 220/240V?

A 36" induction top is generally requiring 240V/50-60A feed.  So it's nice if you are close to your electric panel.  Not that it's really any different than any electric stove.  If the builder had any forward mind and ran electrical to everything along with gas, you would probably be ok. I think a lot of tops can also run on 40A breakers, they generally assume no one has all elements at full power at once.

You can usually limit total power in the systems menu of the cooktop.

Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".

Lol. I always wonder who listens to those people. But once in a while I meet someone who does and then I'm reminded a huge share of people don't think rationally  [tongue]
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« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2021, 11:08 PM »
Some houses that were on the market that I looked at had these expensive stoves in them and in the sales text it was being praised as a good thing. I was like "do I have to rent a forklift to move that thing to the trash?" "Do I have to grind it in two to fit through the door?" "Is this where people spend their black cash on?"  [scared]

That's my view on hot tubs/jacuzzis.  When we were looking at homes (and even now when I still look around), any time I saw a listing with a hot tub picture, I knew that I needed to look at the seller disclosure to see if it was included with the house or not.  My offer price would have been lower if I had to find someone to haul the thing away after moving in.

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« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2021, 09:15 AM »
Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".
Influencers?

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« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2021, 11:13 AM »
Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".
Influencers?

If they lived in DC they'd be known as lobbyist.  [wink]
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2021, 09:46 AM »
If any of you are actually looking at buying a yuppie type stove, I would suggest looking at the GE Cafe series. Extremely well thought out design. Nice lighting on the knobs, good size knobs and legible indicators, awesome oven rack slides, good burner grate removal size. My guess is someone with aging in place experience helped design the stove.
I don't have one but if I were in the market its the one I would buy. Had to take a client on a shopping trip awhile ago and evaluate stoves for his new kitchen. We looked at all the high end units. The new Jenn-Air also had very nice design features.
I've always hated the big Viking and Wolf. Big dumb overkill. I've had to teach clients who to use the griddle or other other burners. Pretty funny when a couple making millions needs a schmuck like me to show him how to use their $15K+ stove.
Due to the wife, we have a Bertazzoni that is Ferrari red and reportedly painted that at the Ferrari factory. No idea if that's legit or advertising BS. 36" 5 burner, works well, cleans easy, oven is a bit finicky to turn on.
We live in gas land so its only the weirdos who use electric stoves here ;)
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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2021, 10:08 AM »
Throwing more wood into the fire, I have a Bosch 36" induction - it's quiet, has boost mode that can dim the neighbourhood lights, but occasionally, once in a rare moon, I do need flame.  Iwatani makes very nice portable butane burners that don't feel like they're going to explode.  I just set it on the induction and lock it down so I don't cook the portable unit [tongue].  Kinda the best of both worlds IMHO.

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Due to the wife, we have a Bertazzoni that is Ferrari red and reportedly painted that at the Ferrari factory. No idea if that's legit or advertising BS. 36" 5 burner, works well, cleans easy, oven is a bit finicky to turn on.
We live in gas land so its only the weirdos who use electric stoves here ;)

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