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Offline acer66

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Hello,

Looking for real world reviews or recommendations about induction cooktops.
Was about to sign up for digital Consumer Report again but reviews about CR are not very good anymore.
Looked at a few different forums and it was not promising.

Is anyone using an induction cooktop and like to share their experience?
I am looking for a 30” non smart one and while I would like one with downdraft they are a bit to spendy.

Thank you.

Offline Dane

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2021, 07:32 PM »
I’ve used nothing but induction for over 10 years now.  I’d never go back...I’m a pretty serious cook and after my time with the induction, the claim that gas is somehow superior is simply BS.  Whenever I cook on gas now I can’t believe how much heat is wasted- hot handles, smelly...I actually just bought another one- there a scream in deal on a highly reviewed Fridgaire right now.  Now if, for whatever reason you want to use aluminum or copper, you are out of luck.  But I’m all carbon steel, stainless and cast iron anyway.  Really the only drawback if if you want to char some peppers on an open flame or something- but I just use a torch or the broiler, or the grill.

Offline Peter_C

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2021, 07:45 PM »
Good luck on the non smart one. They don't really exist in anything other than full gas with simple knobs. The worst is a stove where the controls are at the rear.

I've been using my parents Kitchenaid stove and the stove top has failed previously. The oven takes forever to heat up, but that could be an amperage issue that I am not going to even look at before selling the place. Owning a Kitchenaid Dual Fuel myself I would not recommend one. Bosch is probably superior but I haven't researched them. The more you spend the better the stove will be.

Induction stoves today are actually very powerful and can boil water fast.

What is your budget for a stove? Are we talking Wolf/Viking or ultra cost effective?

Offline acer66

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2021, 08:47 PM »
Yeah, I got gas right now and do not like it for the reasons Dane mentioned and Peter_C I am looking for just an induction cooktop not a range and am looking to spend up to around $2k.

Offline Dane

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2021, 09:25 PM »
I have owned Bosch, GE, Miele and Electrolux induction units.  The first three I never had issues with- the Electrolux was terrible.  None of the ones that I have owned have had "smart" features.  I'd look for a Bosch or a Miele unit.  I actually think that some of the premium brands- Viking, Thermador etc.  have worse reliability and performance ratings than a Bosh or a Miele.  I have also have good luck getting cooktops on Ebay.  Not sure if you like to roll the dice that way, but you do get some great prices.  I see some sub-1000.00 Bosh units on there right now.

Offline xedos

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2021, 09:57 AM »
houzz's appliance forum will have info and discussion on induction ad nauseum. 

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2021, 10:00 AM »
We recently bought a Frigidaire range with induction cook top. I have had gas ranges and I think the induction is much more convenient. We can boil a 1.75 liter kettle in 4 minutes. The instant on and off is also fantastic. They are much safer than gas. If you remove a pot the burner turns off after a couple of minutes. With our previous range I turned on the wrong burner and ruined a nice maple cutting board that I had sitting beside the pot. That would not happen with the induction top.

The Frigidaire is a budget priced range but has very good reviews, and we are very happy with it. It has an air fry oven that works well for some items but is messy.

I have a glass tea pot I like to keep warm on the stove top. I took a 7.25" saw blade and cut all the teeth off it and ground it smooth and use it under the glass tea pot. All our other pots are induction capable, so that was not an issue for us.

 
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2021, 10:05 AM »
“ I have a glass tea pot I like to keep warm on the stove top. I took a 7.25" saw blade and cut all the teeth off it and ground it smooth and use it under the glass tea pot. All our other pots are induction capable, so that was not an issue for us.”

I was wondering if all non conductive cookware would be useless with an induction “burner”.

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2021, 11:41 AM »
"I was wondering if all non conductive cookware would be useless with an induction “burner”

You can buy what they call induction conversion plates but repurposing an old saw blade gave me a job to do. Also, it fits my tea pot perfectly.

We all probably have a few saw blades around that would be more useful if repurposed ;)
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Offline acer66

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2021, 06:10 PM »
We recently bought a Frigidaire range with induction cook top. I have had gas ranges and I think the induction is much more convenient. We can boil a 1.75 liter kettle in 4 minutes. The instant on and off is also fantastic. They are much safer than gas. If you remove a pot the burner turns off after a couple of minutes. With our previous range I turned on the wrong burner and ruined a nice maple cutting board that I had sitting beside the pot. That would not happen with the induction top.

The Frigidaire is a budget priced range but has very good reviews, and we are very happy with it. It has an air fry oven that works well for some items but is messy.

I have a glass tea pot I like to keep warm on the stove top. I took a 7.25" saw blade and cut all the teeth off it and ground it smooth and use it under the glass tea pot. All our other pots are induction capable, so that was not an issue for us.

Is that what you have?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/FRIGIDAIRE-GALLERY-30-in-5-4-cu-ft-Front-Control-Induction-Range-with-Air-Fry-in-Stainless-Steel-FGIH3047VF/311224897?MERCH=REC-_-pip_alternatives-_-311644766-_-311224897-_-N&

Offline acer66

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2021, 06:12 PM »
houzz's appliance forum will have info and discussion on induction ad nauseum.

Yeah just trying to avoid the ad nauseam part.


Another question would be if there are any features you would not want to miss or would like to have.

Thank you.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2021, 06:14 PM by acer66 »

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2021, 07:02 PM »
We recently bought a Frigidaire range with induction cook top. I have had gas ranges and I think the induction is much more convenient. We can boil a 1.75 liter kettle in 4 minutes. The instant on and off is also fantastic. They are much safer than gas. If you remove a pot the burner turns off after a couple of minutes. With our previous range I turned on the wrong burner and ruined a nice maple cutting board that I had sitting beside the pot. That would not happen with the induction top.

The Frigidaire is a budget priced range but has very good reviews, and we are very happy with it. It has an air fry oven that works well for some items but is messy.

I have a glass tea pot I like to keep warm on the stove top. I took a 7.25" saw blade and cut all the teeth off it and ground it smooth and use it under the glass tea pot. All our other pots are induction capable, so that was not an issue for us.

Is that what you have?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/FRIGIDAIRE-GALLERY-30-in-5-4-cu-ft-Front-Control-Induction-Range-with-Air-Fry-in-Stainless-Steel-FGIH3047VF/311224897?MERCH=REC-_-pip_alternatives-_-311644766-_-311224897-_-N&

Ours has the controls on the back side but the same oven and cook top.

https://www.homedepot.ca/product/frigidaire-gallery-30-inch-5-4-cu-ft-freestanding-induction-range-with-air-fry-in-smudge-proof-stainless-steel/1001542822
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Offline promark747

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2021, 10:34 PM »
Question for induction owners: are the stove tops quiet?  I have had several portable induction cooktops, and while I love cooking on them, they all have noisy fans. I would not consider a full-size induction top unless it was silent like my current electric/halogen.

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2021, 11:24 PM »
Question for induction owners: are the stove tops quiet?  I have had several portable induction cooktops, and while I love cooking on them, they all have noisy fans. I would not consider a full-size induction top unless it was silent like my current electric/halogen.
The one I use only makes a buzzing sound on high. The fan seems to mostly come on after awhile when using the oven. It is pretty quiet though. The fan is only on when a temperature sensor turns it on.

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2021, 08:30 AM »
Question for induction owners: are the stove tops quiet?  I have had several portable induction cooktops, and while I love cooking on them, they all have noisy fans. I would not consider a full-size induction top unless it was silent like my current electric/halogen.
The one I use only makes a buzzing sound on high. The fan seems to mostly come on after awhile when using the oven. It is pretty quiet though. The fan is only on when a temperature sensor turns it on.

This is how mine is also. I also had a portable top with a noisy fan before I got the range and was concerned the range would be a problem, but it has not been a problem for us.
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Offline jaguar36

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2021, 01:59 PM »
Induction cooktops are the best.  I don't understand how people can use a gas stove after trying an induction one.

Things to watch out for are how quickly it comes back on after you lift the pot of the surface.  My Bosch Benchmark one takes a second or two to kick back on, can be irritating if you're shaking a stir fry. My buddies Bosch comes back on instantaneously.

Also look at the controls, I hate the touch controls on mine, really wish there was just a simple knob for each unit.

Offline xedos

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2021, 02:17 PM »
houzz's appliance forum will have info and discussion on induction ad nauseum.

Yeah just trying to avoid the ad nauseam part.

Another question would be if there are any features you would not want to miss or would like to have.

You say that , but ..........

also said you wanted simple and then asked about can't miss features.  Feature laden is not simple.

I'll reiterate, get over to houzz and read the numerous induction threads.  I'm fairly certain your questions have been asked and answered over there already.

I prefer full surface induction tops, but the few that exist are waaaay outside your stated budget.

Offline Packard

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2021, 03:37 PM »
I have the GE induction top. 

I had bought a single burner induction top and found it excellent, so when it came time to replace the top I went with the induction top.

1.  It boils water insanely fast.
2.  It holds temperature to a very narrow temperature range.
3.  10 heat settings.
4.  If you forget to turn it off and nothing is on it, it will turn itself off.
5.  The burner itself does not heat up.  There is heat transferred from the pot to the burner so it will get hot, but it cools fast.
6.  I left it on a couple of times and if it gets too hot it will turn itself off automatically.
7.  The heat across the surface is perfectly uniform regardless of the quality of the pan.
8.  The more iron for the magnet to transfer energy to, the faster it heats.  Cast iron heats faster than anything else.
9.  Aluminum pans will not work.
10.  Some aluminum pans have a perforated steel plate on the bottom.  Those heat slower than other pans because there is less mass.
11. You need 400 series stainless steel for this to work.  300 series will not heat.  Test with a magnet.  If it sticks, it will work.
12. It is over 90% efficient in energy transfer.  Gas has an efficiency of 45 to 50%.
13. Induction heats the bottom of the pan only.
14.  Gas, especially on high, will heat the sides of the pan or pot.

Disappointments:

The hot plate had a timer that would turn off the element.
The cook top has a timer that merely chimes when it is time.

Special cleaning materials are required if you have any stuck on food.


Overall:

I would not like to go back to gas or conventional electric.  I did have to give away some pots and pans and replacing them was an added expense. 

Also if you like to shift the pan back and forth you will not be applying any heat at all once it is lifted off the burner.  Gas heat will be moderated but still applied. 

The main reason I hear that people like gas is for uniform heating of pots and pans.  The induction stovetop is 100% uniform. 

With children in the house this is the safest option.

The alternative is to have a gas stove top and a single burner induction burner along side.  Single burner units can be controlled by the timer.  Multi-burner units cannot.

In the summer it does not make the kitchen hot like a gas stove top would.



My Recommendation to all is skip the gas and conventional electric.  Go with induction.

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Offline Packard

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2021, 09:50 AM »
I have an induction top.  Before I got that, I bought a cheap induction hot plate.  I liked that so much that I got the induction top.

1.  Induction tops are more expensive than other electric tops.
2.  They require all new pots and pans (only pots that a magnet will stick to will work).

On the plus side.

1.  They are safer
2.  They are 84%+ efficient (as opposed to just 40% for gas, and 74%  for heating element electric cooktops.
3.  They boil a pot of water in under a minute.
4.  Temperature control is much more exact.
5.  Heating is 100% uniform over the entire surface--a big deal is made of that for gas ranges. 
6.  It heats the bottom of the pot or pan only.  Standard electric and especially gas, heat the sides of the pots and pans.

I recommend you try an induction hot plate first.  They are very handy.  You will find you will love it or not.   $72.00 from Amazon (10 years ago I paid less than $40.00 from Costco).  But still, cheap enough to find out if you love it or not.  Induction cooktops are more expensive than heating element cooktops, so it is good to know in advance. 

https://www.amazon.com/Secura-9100MC-Portable-Induction-Countertop/dp/B00GMCAM2G/ref=sr_1_1?crid=Y6UISMT61IXB&dchild=1&keywords=induction+hot+plates+for+cooking&qid=1625060772&sprefix=induction+hot+%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-1


Offline DeformedTree

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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2021, 10:38 AM »
that wire cutter article is terrible,  clearly someone who is so into Gas they can't begin to realize how awful it is.

The NYT has a dumb headline, but isn't so bad.  I think the induction cooktops are more common than they think.  After all, it's basically something for cooktops, not slide in ranges.  Slide in ranges are still massively common, so yeah, not as easy to change.  People only change a cooktop as often as they re-do the kitchen.  So someone might be waiting 20-30 years till they switch.

On the cookware, I have to wonder how many people don't have iron based cookware. I would expect very few people would have to buy new cookware as almost everyone has Stainless cookware of some form.  Only area that can be rough is some specialty cookware.  Items like flat griddles tend to be aluminum. Cookware that you don't use very much, so it's often a random cheap item, those are the ones that tend to be aluminum.
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Offline Packard

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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2021, 11:04 AM »
Not all stainless steel will work on induction tops.

400 series stainless steel is magnetic, but will display some rust and does not polish well.  My water kettle is 300 series on the top and the base is 400 series (which is magnetic).  The bottom is all black over the years and will not clean up well.  The upper part is shiny and mirror-like.

I have a frying pan with a perforated stainless steel plate on the bottom.  But the magnetic portion has less mass than other pans and it takes longer to heat up.

Cast iron heats the best--super fast. 

I have accidentally left the induction top on and had the water boil off.  It will then get too hot and turn itself off before there is any damage.  For forgetful cooks like myself, that is reason enough to buy induction.

The single element hot plate had a timer and it would turn off the burner at the end.  The four-burner GE also has a timer but it is audible only.  It does not control the burners. 

Remember that induction tops do not get hot themselves.  They only heat the pot or pan.  There is heat transfer to the glass from the pot so you can still burn yourself.  But it cools off much quicker than a regular electric stovetop and there is an indicator showing when it gets hot. 

The induction hot plate is a good way to see if you like the technology.  And it remains useful long after the new cooktop arrives. 

Note:  I don't have gas piping to my house.  If I were to get a gas stove, I would have to install a tank and get propane.  It was never a realistic option for me.  It was just between conventional electric (cheaper purchase price) or induction (almost twice the cost at that time).

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2021, 11:25 AM »


On the cookware, I have to wonder how many people don't have iron based cookware. I would expect very few people would have to buy new cookware as almost everyone has Stainless cookware of some form.  Only area that can be rough is some specialty cookware.  Items like flat griddles tend to be aluminum. Cookware that you don't use very much, so it's often a random cheap item, those are the ones that tend to be aluminum.


   You have got to be kidding.  There are a number of manufacturers that have been making high quality aluminum for decades. And these are not companies that would be doing it unless they were selling millions and millions and millions of pieces.  There is plenty of cheapo aluminum but also plenty of really good stuff.

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    Personally I like the concept of induction a lot.  Lots of advantages.

    But I would have to give up the cookware that I have now and I really like.  Couple that with the fact that I pretty much hate cast iron, with non-coated stainless a close second and now I have a project of finding new cookware. I will probably make the change at some point. Every time I see the topic on something or hear someone talking about it, I think a little more about switching. But it isn't a pressing matter.

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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2021, 12:58 PM »
My 2 cents:


Induction is way better regarding the microclimate in your kitchen/house. Gas will launch myriads of particles in the air (among them stuff that is harmful to your health, such as burned oil drops etc), which needs to be offset by heavy duty extraction (not very energy efficient).


Also re the cookware. You can use an intermediary plate of steel when your cookware is not 'magnetic'. It adds to the energy cost and the risk of burning fingers, hands and cats' paws, but it does work.


(FYI I do not have induction yet, but plan on converting within the next two years, depending on the availability of low profile modules — my current gas setup needs only about two inches, and I don't want to do a to of converting in the cabinets below it.)
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Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2021, 01:24 PM »
"But I would have to give up the cookware that I have now and I really like."

I would bet that is what holds most people from making the changeover to induction.

Also, if you've renno'd your kitchen in the past 8 to 10 years you probably installed a new cooktop or range. These are as we all know appliances that have a long life. A 10 year cooktop is only middle age if it's a quality appliance, and most likely has another 10 years left in it. You'd never get back much if you sold it, so it goes to the dump or you pass it off to someone you know or in the family.

So only getting half the usable life out of your old cooktop plus possibly having to change out your cookware adds to the cost of 'upgrading' significantly I think. I would have induction in a heart beat, but the wife refuses to even consider it. But she will pitch a fit tonight when she is sweating over that hot cooktop because of all the waste heat thrown out into the room.

In reality SHE is the biggest obstacle in our house to changing over to induction.
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Offline Packard

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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2021, 02:35 PM »
I gave up a lot of cookware I really liked and gave it to people I really like.  Not so painful in that context. 

The evenness of heating and the constancy of temperature are good advantages.

Carry a magnet when you shop for cookware.  The more strongly the magnet adheres to base of the cookware the faster it will transfer the energy and heat the pot/pan.


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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2021, 03:37 PM »
on the cookware, it's definitely a "YMMV" type situation.  In general I would say most people start out with hand-me-downs, then buy some cheap stuff, and then at some point buy "quality stuff",  when that happens, my experience is people pretty much only buy some form of stainless clad cookware.  Stuff like copper exist, but that has always looked to be something people bought for a "look" and don't even cook much. A good chunk of the population have been well aware of induction their adult life, so even if they don't have induction, they planned for it when they bought their "life time cookware".  But they could still be several years out from a kitchen remodel, they may have just managed to buy a house not long ago.

I would say for the past 10-15 years,  "induction ready" has been a big part of cookware marketing. I think unless someone is going for some "look" or "trendy" looking thing, they are probably going to be buying an induction ready cookware. So yeah, if you bought your "lifetime" cookware back in the 80s/90s,  it would be more of an issue. For those who did that in more recent times, far less an issue.
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Offline Packard

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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2021, 04:01 PM »
I have never understood why, but a cooktop costs almost the same as an entire stove.  Or why wall ovens with no cooktop cost more than stoves. 


Offline Packard

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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2021, 12:49 PM »
If I had a high end gas stove I would be inclined to install a single burner induction cook top just for its fast boiling of water.

The stove is just $325.00.  Cutting a hole in stone can be done with an angle grinder.  The cooktop has a generous overlay, so the cut does not have to be precise.  You might have to call in an electrician.  Most counters would have a small area where this could be fitted.

https://www.compactappliance.com/sinc1110-summit-single-zone-built-in-induction-cooktop/SINC1110.html