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Offline jobsworth

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FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« on: February 08, 2022, 07:48 PM »
I started watching the shop talk and though they do have some good people interviewed it seems to me the the interviews are seriously lacking. More like a BS session then anything. Yea sure it should be light and enjoyable it it seems like there could be so much more info and subjects discussed.

The last one Steviebuilds could of been one of the best interviews yet. She seemed very knowlegable and willing to give discuss everything but for some reason Sedge well missed the opportunity to pick her brain and ask informative questions..

I dunno Im only speaking for myself what are your opinions of the show and interviews?

Offline ChuckS

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2022, 08:01 PM »
I've never watched the show/interview you mentioned, nor have I watched/listened to any podcasts or the like. I'm mostly interested in woodworking action where I see use of tools and wood cut.

I also download videos to avoid ads that pop up at the beginning and out of nowhere in the middle...but most importantly, I can keep my watching time to 15 minutes or less (and that's more or less the max amount of useful material out of any length of videos, except maybe Norm's New Yankee Workshop). Most one-hour long woodworking videos can be edited to under 15 minutes without loss of any value in my opinion. The skip/fastward is the most useful tool on a video player! YMMV.

Offline squall_line

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2022, 08:08 PM »
I also download videos to avoid ads that pop up at the beginning and out of nowhere in the middle...

Nowadays, many sites will append or inject ads into audio and video files that you download, real time, when you click on the download button.  I thought I could avoid ads on podcasts by downloading, but was bitten by this recently.  Not all of them do it, but just be aware that the technology exists and is in use.

I find podcasts enjoyable to listen to while I'm cleaning out the garage, mowing the lawn, or washing baby bottles at night, personally, and with wireless earbuds I can leave my iPad in one spot and walk around the entirety of the inside of our single-story rambling ranch without losing signal, and without waking up my wife or son.  Haven't watched or listened to Shop Talk yet; I feel like I wouldn't know any of the guests they have on anyway since I don't get out and about on woodworking channels much.

Offline ChuckS

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2022, 08:21 PM »
I also download videos to avoid ads that pop up at the beginning and out of nowhere in the middle...

Nowadays, many sites will append or inject ads into audio and video files that you download, real time, when you click on the download button.  I thought I could avoid ads on podcasts by downloading, but was bitten by this recently.  Not all of them do it, but just be aware that the technology exists and is in use.

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Touch wood. This has never happened to me with YouTube and Vimeo, the only two sources of woodworking clips for me. I use Firefox and Video DownloadHelper, if that matters.

Edit: About listening. My radio (favorite channel) is on the minute I step into my shop. I like the 70s music (Eagles, Bee Gees, Carpenters stuff)
« Last Edit: February 08, 2022, 09:24 PM by ChuckS »

Offline cpw

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2022, 08:34 AM »
I tried a couple, but didn't like them.  I watch all of the Festool live training videos, but recorded so I can skip the first couple of minutes of BS and stop when they start reading names and places.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2022, 09:23 AM »
I watched the first couple of episodes, but got nothing out of them so I haven't watched since.
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Offline mino

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2022, 09:26 AM »
I started watching the shop talk and though they do have some good people interviewed it seems to me the the interviews are seriously lacking. More like a BS session then anything. Yea sure it should be light and enjoyable it it seems like there could be so much more info and subjects discussed.

The last one Steviebuilds could of been one of the best interviews yet. She seemed very knowlegable and willing to give discuss everything but for some reason Sedge well missed the opportunity to pick her brain and ask informative questions..

I dunno Im only speaking for myself what are your opinions of the show and interviews?

I think Sedge is, for whatever reason, trying to shoot at the "beginners/starters" audience and trying to make all his stuff as accessible as possible.

Problem is, where do you draw the line. I know this from trainer work. It is freaking hard to find the balance between being too-simple so you end up boring people and being too-complex so most cannot comprehend what you are saying as are not familiar with the fundamentals.

I do not think this has a solution other then splitting the content into beginner/advanced hobby user/seasoned professional at the minimum. The sooner they do something along those lines, the better.

I can even imagine shooting the same stuff twice, once for the hobby users and once for professionals. Or once for beginners and one for hobby users.

The other option is splitting the discussion into two distinct chapters/parts. E.g. the first half geared for beginners and second part for advanced hobby users. Some will watch it all, especially the beginners, and grow that way. Some will skip the part not useful for them and go straight to the meaty stuff. Needs to be clearly separated and known about.

My 2 cents.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2022, 09:30 AM by mino »
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Offline ChuckS

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2022, 11:23 AM »
It'd be really nice, but probably too time-consuming for most content makers to make (edit) separate segments/videos for audiences of different backgrounds/experience. Absent that, I use the download and skip method, which allows me to finish, for instance, a Festool video -- no matter how long they actually run --usually well under 15 minutes. With only a few exceptions (e.g. on a topic I'm not familiar with), on average I spend mostly 5 to 10 minutes on a YouTube or Vimeo clip regardless of who produces it. No ads, no interruptions and no BS! Constant fake enthusiasm is as worse as BS in any production.

As for (removing) BS, Norm Abram's video editing team always did an excellent job. For shorter clips, the Veritas product and techniques videos are among the best.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2022, 12:07 PM by ChuckS »

Offline squall_line

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2022, 01:05 PM »
It'd be really nice, but probably too time-consuming for most content makers to make (edit) separate segments/videos for audiences of different backgrounds/experience. Absent that, I use the download and skip method, which allows me to finish, for instance, a Festool video -- no matter how long they actually run --usually well under 15 minutes. With only a few exceptions (e.g. on a topic I'm not familiar with), on average I spend mostly 5 to 10 minutes on a YouTube or Vimeo clip regardless of who produces it. No ads, no interruptions and no BS! Constant fake enthusiasm is as worse as BS in any production.

As for (removing) BS, Norm Abram's video editing team always did an excellent job. For shorter clips, the Veritas product and techniques videos are among the best.

It's rather trivial in YouTube to add bookmarks and section breaks to the timeline and allow people to skip to the relevant section.  For a video segmented into "Newbies" and "Old Hands", this would be easy to accomplish.

Even if FUSA didn't want to promote skipping over the opening discussion and closing list of viewers, they could easily retroactively put section breaks into their Live videos to jump to different sub-topics on each session.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2022, 06:46 PM »
its not even about whether the content is geared for beginners or pros, this last so called interview with Stevie builds could of been very informative her how she went about starting her business was very interesting but the conversation went way down hill from there almost to whats your favorite coffee do you take cream?

 thats a exageration of course but it was about on that level, Oh sedge screwed the pooch on this one

Offline jobsworth

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2022, 09:23 PM »
watched the latest shop talk interview with Jess Crow.

It was a pretty good interview.

Funny thing that I havent yet figured out is We have plenty of talented craftsman right here on the FOG who not only use a lot of festool  but support the forum.

I wonder why Sedge has not interviewed any of those. Tom Baden for example has not only taken time to help some of us, but is a professional very high en cabinet maker who uses primarily festools.

Remember Brice Burell one of the OGs here who is a pro carpenter and was very helpful giving advice and demoing different techniques. There are plenty others who frequent here that Id love to see get interviewed.

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Offline squall_line

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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2022, 10:31 PM »
How many of the talented FOGgers have a large social media following?

These days, it's just as much about getting "synergistic views" from inviting on a guest with a large following as it is getting interesting people who are good at what they do.

Aside from that, most of the other guys on here who I would love to see get interviewed are just too darn busy keeping clients happy to have time to sit down and get an interview done.

Which isn't to say that the guests who have been interviewed aren't busy or don't have happy clients, just that the others are in it for the work and would probably rather not be in front of a camera all that much.

Just my guesses...

Offline Lincoln

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2022, 10:38 PM »
I'm a big podcast consumer, so tried a couple of episodes. Nicest thing I can say is 'it's not for me'. One of the guests, who I won't name, was particularly objectionable.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2022, 05:27 AM »
My 212 followers would love for me to get interviewed  ;D

 I was interested in this series of interviews but as has been mentioned it appears to be a lot of fluff with mostly close friends.
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Offline Vondawg

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2022, 08:16 AM »
I’d love to see a interview with H&K barn doors (FOG member) as he rarely answers any questions or passes along tips on his great builds/installs …probably just too busy
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Offline xedos

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Re: FESTOOL SHOP TALK OPIN
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2022, 09:33 AM »
Pretty sure that format, platform, topics, ect....are geared at an entirely different audience than the FOG.

This demographic has already been captured and exploited - gotta find new meat to feed the beast.

Offline jobsworth

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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2022, 09:26 PM »
id think theyd want to interview people who actually use their tools and are not sponsored by them. All but Bourbon Moth I havent heard of.

But thats just me