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Title: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: JeremyH. on March 16, 2021, 12:13 PM
Forgive me, I feel dumb but I cannot recall who that was...
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: DeformedTree on March 16, 2021, 12:24 PM
John Haviland? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_State_Penitentiary)
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: mino on March 16, 2021, 12:56 PM
John Haviland? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_State_Penitentiary)
Lovely guy!
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: Packard on March 16, 2021, 02:45 PM
America leads the way!!  I just found a site that lists the 30 most architecturally impressive prisons in the world, and 16 of them are in the USA.  The USA proudly leads the way towards a world where all prisons are architecturally impressive!!!


https://www.top-criminal-justice-schools.net/30-most-architecturally-impressive-prisons-in-the-world
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: JeremyH. on March 16, 2021, 03:09 PM
Ya, I don't think that it's him... I really wish I recalled.
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: DeformedTree on March 16, 2021, 03:14 PM
Ya, I don't think that it's him... I really wish I recalled.

Maybe I was taking you question more extreme/specific than you had intended. 

Other details to help us out?  Is this a question of "open plan" vs "not open plan" and history of these shifts back and forth.

Trends go back and forth on house layout (if that is what your are looking at), so you might have someone from victorian era, 1950s, and the 1980s. from different times when walls go up.  Will be interesting the next time "open plan" goes away again and back to small rooms.
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: JeremyH. on March 16, 2021, 03:27 PM
Yes it's tried to a certain time period in the last century.

"small" as in not open at all, each room is suppose to have a purpose so you end up with more smaller rooms in general.
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: DeformedTree on March 16, 2021, 03:36 PM
I don't think you will find an "architect" behind that.

It comes and goes, has a lot to do with money.  Everyone lived "open" plan for centuries as homes were generally one space.  Maybe multiple floors, or 2 rooms per floor, one on each side of a central fireplace.  Victorian time frames you started getting dedicated rooms (parlors, dining rooms, new fangled "bathrooms", etc).   After that it comes and goes.  People want to open things up, so they remove walls, then later folks get sick of smells, noise, etc from having one giant space, so walls go back up. COVID will probably be a major blow to the current "open plan" trend as people had to live/work at home, and having 2 adults, kids, dogs, all in one giant room trying to do stuff has been not good for folks, now they want an office room again, or a way to have noise/etc from a kitchen separated from other stuff again.

It's just trend and needs of a moment.  Just like anything else in houses. Anyone trying to claim they invented open-plan or closed-plan would be lying.   Also look at the cost of housing.  Post War, houses got real small, both for cost reasons, and for cranking them out in a hurry.  Lots of walls make structure easier to build, no need for big beams.

Now if this was some extreme concept, like stove needs to be in it's own room, refrigerator needs it's own room, etc, maybe there is someone pushing that. But I don't think I have seen anything like that.
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Post by: squall_line on March 16, 2021, 03:41 PM
Yes it's tried to a certain time period in the last century.

"small" as in not open at all, each room is suppose to have a purpose so you end up with more smaller rooms in general.

I went looking for more information about this, since I recall seeing this come up more and more with the increase in people working from home or attending school from home, and how "open plan" homes were less conducive to this sort of use.  There are rooms for reading, rooms for eating, rooms for socializing, all with walls and usually doors as well.

I found this article on Bloomberg, which talks more about the history and time periods as things changed from closed to open, but no specific architect is called out as a "form follows function" architect, per se: 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-08-06/death-to-the-open-floor-plan-long-live-separate-rooms

Frank Lloyd Wright was one of the earlier pioneers in open spaces (not the only), but not to the extent that they're used now; his were more from the perspective of staying connected to nature and having good sight lines through a home, not some idea about entertaining guests and keeping an eye on the kids at all times.

I'm in a 1961-built ranch home, somewhat open but not entirely.  There are just enough walls to feel like there are rooms and hallways, and just few enough doors and large enough windows to keep everything from feeling cramped and claustrophobic, even with shorter ceilings than we had in our two old 1920's Craftsman homes.  Pocket doors in key areas (not for every room) are one of the biggest indicators that ours is a mid-century home, and one of the things I like about it.
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: DeformedTree on March 16, 2021, 03:52 PM


I'm in a 1961-built ranch home, somewhat open but not entirely.  There are just enough walls to feel like there are rooms and hallways, and just few enough doors and large enough windows to keep everything from feeling cramped and claustrophobic, even with shorter ceilings than we had in our two old 1920's Craftsman homes.  Pocket doors in key areas (not for every room) are one of the biggest indicators that ours is a mid-century home, and one of the things I like about it.

Yeah, there is a sweet spot I think from different times, of rooms, but with big opening between them, and as you mention, pocket doors.  It's a good balance.  Gives you benefits of both.  Some open plan houses are like walking into a furniture store, 10,000 sq ft and no walls.  At some point you need walls to put stuff against/on.   No trend last forever.
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: elfick on March 16, 2021, 04:44 PM
Yes it's tried to a certain time period in the last century.

"small" as in not open at all, each room is suppose to have a purpose so you end up with more smaller rooms in general.
Do you recall where the architect practiced?
If it was the US, my first guess would be the Greene Brothers. Wright was famous but used a lot of open concept so probably not him. Most searches on architects come up with those that build big stuff, not homes (which is the type I assumed you meant).
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Post by: rlsatND on March 16, 2021, 06:35 PM
Maybe you are thinking of Sarah Susanka and her "Not So Big House" approach (see https://susanka.com/not-so-big-house/). I think her first book was published in the late 90's and it had a "moment" in the early 2000's. Her philosophy was to make smaller but higher quality spaces, that were open, but well defined as separate spaces. We definitely used some of the ideas in the design of own home.

         -- Bob
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: JeremyH. on March 16, 2021, 09:50 PM
There’s always a chance I was told wrong.

Thanks to everyone that chimed in.
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: Yardbird on March 16, 2021, 10:34 PM
Yes it's tried to a certain time period in the last century.

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If it was the US, my first guess would be the Greene Brothers. Wright was famous but used a lot of open concept so probably not him. Most searches on architects come up with those that build big stuff, not homes (which is the type I assumed you meant).

For anyone in the Pasadena area, I highly recommend a visit to the Gamble House  (of Proctor and Gamble), a design of Greene and Greene.  The staircase is an interlocking piece of art.  I do not remember the year it was built, but do remember the garage had a turntable to turn the car around because a reverse gear in cars had not been invented yet.  Anyway, if you want to see some real craftsmanship, make a visit to the Gamble House, or at least a Google search.   
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: squall_line on March 17, 2021, 09:30 AM
Googled the Gamble House, saw one of the auto-complete suggestions was "Gamble House Back to the Future".

Apparently the house was the set for Doc Brown's house in that movie.

I have too many other things to get done this morning to fall any deeper down that particular rabbit hole right now!  [scared]
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: Yardbird on March 17, 2021, 10:08 AM
Googled the Gamble House, saw one of the auto-complete suggestions was "Gamble House Back to the Future".

Apparently the house was the set for Doc Brown's house in that movie.

I have too many other things to get done this morning to fall any deeper down that particular rabbit hole right now!  [scared]

Sorry-I did not know anything about that rabbit hole.  Google has a way of taking you to where THEY want to take you.  I think I would stick to "arts and crafts" "Gamble House" "Pasadena" and avoid "Doc Brown" google searches. I find the stairway is amazing, especially since it was built mostly by hand tools.
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: Crazyraceguy on March 19, 2021, 11:47 AM
You can see the change in homes somewhat based on the times. They had wide open homes with windows that went nearly floor to ceiling in the southern United States in the early days because of the heat in the summer and lack of air conditioning. They provided ventilation and the open space didn't block the breeze, yet this was not common in the north.
The house I live in was built in 1929, in the middle of the country as far as north-south. It's a city house but not so extreme as attached brownstone type houses in the northeast. It has been added to over the years, but "as built" it had a small footprint with two bedrooms and the only bathroom upstairs. It had no closet of any kind on the first floor, people used hall trees or wall mounted coat racks. It had very minimal electrical outlets, because the need wasn't there yet. The narrow galley kitchen was separated from the dining room by a two-way swinging door. There was also no long open stretch of wall that would be considered a TV wall, since those didn't exist yet. It is also on a block were 6 of the 9 houses all started out as the same basic structure. They have all been modified over the decades, but the core is still the same.
I see more modern open designs as just progress that comes with other progress of society.
The house where I grew up is only 5 miles away, but it was built in the early 1960s. It is a bit bigger, but the modernization to that point in time shows. It has a coat closet near the front door, a downstairs half-bath and an eat-in kitchen that opens into a small family room. It is far from open concept of even newer houses though because it still has an enclosed living room.
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Post by: ProCarpenterRVA on March 19, 2021, 03:55 PM
Maybe you are thinking of Sarah Susanka and her "Not So Big House" approach (see https://susanka.com/not-so-big-house/). I think her first book was published in the late 90's and it had a "moment" in the early 2000's. Her philosophy was to make smaller but higher quality spaces, that were open, but well defined as separate spaces. We definitely used some of the ideas in the design of own home.

         -- Bob
I built one design in the book, and I can tell you that everyone who walked in were amazed at the spaces. Very pleasant architecture. Still plenty of walls and nooks to put in the cabinetry and furniture that gives a home its own signature style.

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Post by: ProCarpenterRVA on March 19, 2021, 04:07 PM
Here's the house. The build was fun. A lot of nice details

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Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: JeremyH. on March 20, 2021, 04:11 PM
It does look nice, would be great to walk into it.
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Post by: rlsatND on March 25, 2021, 10:29 PM

Definitely my style, and definitely see design aspects that I recognize. You can check out ours at http://www.designdecisionsstudio.com/portfolio/cottage-in-the-woods

Here's the house. The build was fun. A lot of nice details

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Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: Stan Tillinghast on May 10, 2021, 03:27 PM
My wife once got a big idea: have a house without internal load-bearing walls so you can move partitions around at will. That led me to look at timber frame houses; it was a great idea but we never did anything about it.
We live in yet another "open plan" house now; the room used for a study has a wall that doesn't go to the ceiling; let's light in from the skylight in the living room, but lets sound in from everywhere.
OTOH there's a wall going to the ceiling in the kitchen, and wifey is making noises about opening up the upper part of the wall so she can get more light in the kitchen.
I'm waiting for cheaper electrochromic windows so visually, at least, areas can be opened or closed at the touch of a button.
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Post by: mike_aa on May 11, 2021, 05:32 PM

...OTOH there's a wall going to the ceiling in the kitchen, and wifey is making noises about opening up the upper part of the wall so she can get more light in the kitchen.
I'm waiting for cheaper electrochromic windows so visually, at least, areas can be opened or closed at the touch of a button.

Have you looked at Solatubes (https://www.solatube.com/residential/tubular-skylights/)?  We installed six in our home and they let in tons more light than a skylight.

Mike A.
Title: Re: Famous Architech that thought we should have small designated rooms?
Post by: Coen on May 11, 2021, 05:41 PM
My wife once got a big idea: have a house without internal load-bearing walls

You mean like 95%+ of the houses constructed after 1970 in the Netherlands?