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Offline Coen

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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2021, 03:52 PM »
What is a "high end gas stove"? Does it get more heat from the same gas? Does it burn a smaller flame with more power?

I've cooked on induction for close to 9 years. I'll never return to something else. It's clean, fast, no exhaust water, no CO2, no burning your fingers, no pots tipping over, a timer on each zone...

And by fast I really mean fast. A gas burner might do 1.8 kW, a comparable induction zone 3.1 kW in boost, but the gas burner will just blow half the heat to the handles of the pan.

And best is yet to come; The whole cooktop clean in 10 seconds.

However, not all induction cooktops are made the same. Some have too few settings. Some cheaper ones have less power per zone. Some other cheaper ones will have coilwhine.

But all in all; induction over gas all day and gas over any other electric form of cooking.

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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2021, 04:39 PM »
What is a "high end gas stove"? Does it get more heat from the same gas? Does it burn a smaller flame with more power?

I've cooked on induction for close to 9 years. I'll never return to something else. It's clean, fast, no exhaust water, no CO2, no burning your fingers, no pots tipping over, a timer on each zone...

And by fast I really mean fast. A gas burner might do 1.8 kW, a comparable induction zone 3.1 kW in boost, but the gas burner will just blow half the heat to the handles of the pan.

And best is yet to come; The whole cooktop clean in 10 seconds.

However, not all induction cooktops are made the same. Some have too few settings. Some cheaper ones have less power per zone. Some other cheaper ones will have coilwhine.

But all in all; induction over gas all day and gas over any other electric form of cooking.

A "high-end" stove is a very expensive appliance that pretends to be a professional chef's tool. 

I am also a convert to induction.  I started with a induction hot plate (which I loved).  I bought the top rated GE cooktop when I replaced the old one.  My big disappointment was when I learned that the timer did not turn off the burners.  It just beeped. 

The single burner one had a timer that beeped and then shut off the heat. I'm forgetful, and automatic turn off is a plus.

The induction top will turn off if the heat gets too high (like when I forget to turn off the water kettle and the water evaporates).  That is a good safety  feature, but the ceramic top looks slightly discolored as a result. 

I like the non-stick pans and I can't find them on cast iron.  I do have a cast iron Dutch oven and that heats amazingly fast.  The heavy  casting offers a lot of magnetic transfer. 

If my next home has a gas stove I will have one of those single burner induction units installed next to it.  It will get 90% of the use I have for a stove top.  (I rarely have more than one burner going--I'm more of a nuke-em, type cook.)

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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2021, 05:13 PM »
And best is yet to come; The whole cooktop clean in 10 seconds.

I was never much of an electric stove guy before, but glass-top ranges are definitely a game changer for cleaning and just overall organization.

We also put tortillas directly on our conventional electric glass top to heat them for wraps, but I haven't risked making a quesadilla that way yet (a trick I picked up from my pastor's wife).  Tried to do that with naan, but it was way too greasy and I had the temp up too high.  Luckily, it cleaned fairly easily with the right solutions and elbow grease.

While the range top is still warm (but not HOT), a damp-to-wet cotton cloth wipes and dries nicely.

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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2021, 06:31 PM »
And best is yet to come; The whole cooktop clean in 10 seconds.


While the range top is still warm (but not HOT), a damp-to-wet cotton cloth wipes and dries nicely.

The other advantage of induction is that you really can’t bake food onto the surface.  Only the magnetic pot gets hot. Food that lands on the surface does not.

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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2021, 06:31 PM »
I was so excited when I moved into my house in 2008 because it had a "Gourmet Kitchen" with all GE Monogram appliances, including a GE Monogram Gas cooktop.  I've been disappointed with all of them!

I had always thought that gas was the best way to cook, but it's been a major let down.  Most of the heat energy is going around the pan/pot.  When I turn the heat way down, the burner annoyingly keeps ticking so the flame doesn't go out.  Cleaning the gas cooktop is really difficult too.

A smooth cooktop would be much easier to clean.  It sounds like induction is the way to go.  Would a 5 burner induction cooktop require 220/240V?
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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2021, 07:19 PM »
I was so excited when I moved into my house in 2008 because it had a "Gourmet Kitchen" with all GE Monogram appliances, including a GE Monogram Gas cooktop.  I've been disappointed with all of them!

Perhaps a gas range from "General Electric" is a bit suspect :-)

We have a Wolf five burner gas cook top that I am very happy with.     Has a nice high setting and very low simmer (without the igniter clicking).   

I have had some experience with a flat electric range in my mother in laws house.  It was a pain to clean because a boil over went everywhere and tended to burn/stick on the glass.   This might be less of a problem with induction cooktops because the smooth surface may not get as hot.

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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2021, 07:39 PM »
For baked on food on flat cooktops (any kind), fold a terry cloth towel to a size that covers the offending food and place it over the “mess”. Pour hot Or boiling water over the towel until it is completely saturated and leave it overnight. The baked food should soften enough to scrape off (use an approved plastic scraper). If the mess is really thick, it may require a second treatment.

This is time consuming but not labor intensive. It is also environmentally safe.

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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2021, 09:54 PM »

A smooth cooktop would be much easier to clean.  It sounds like induction is the way to go.  Would a 5 burner induction cooktop require 220/240V?

A 36" induction top is generally requiring 240V/50-60A feed.  So it's nice if you are close to your electric panel.  Not that it's really any different than any electric stove.  If the builder had any forward mind and ran electrical to everything along with gas, you would probably be ok. I think a lot of tops can also run on 40A breakers, they generally assume no one has all elements at full power at once.

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« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2021, 10:09 PM »
What is a "high end gas stove"? Does it get more heat from the same gas? Does it burn a smaller flame with more power?


In the US it has to do with a trend started in the 80s.  Viking Brand is mainly to blame(founded in 1987).  Basically, someone wanted a stove that looked like the kind found in a professional kitchen.

The marketing on gas stoves has been a huge thing since the 80s, and people have bought into the ideas sold to them.  Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".
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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2021, 10:54 PM »
Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".

I think they call them "influencers".

And now I have this voice in my head of Hank Hill reminding me to subscribe to his channel and hit the bell so that I know when I can see the latest videos on propane and propane accessories... ;)

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« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2021, 11:36 PM »
Ah, thanks

Here is an article about what I was mentioning Link

And for a bit of history on how these ridiculous "high end gas stoves" got going, I found a history on Viking.  Interesting how it was basically designers/magazines wanting the look that made it happen, the existing manufactures were not interested.  Again, those stoves are kitchen fashion items.

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That top end Viking in 1987 with inflation would be over 11K today.

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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2021, 01:36 PM »
That top end Viking in 1987 with inflation would be over 11K today.
I would expect they are all hard to find right now due to COVID, but Monogram, Thermador, Wolf, etc. were all in roughly that price range for a 48" dual fuel range when we looked 4 years ago.

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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2021, 05:35 PM »
Some houses that were on the market that I looked at had these expensive stoves in them and in the sales text it was being praised as a good thing. I was like "do I have to rent a forklift to move that thing to the trash?" "Do I have to grind it in two to fit through the door?" "Is this where people spend their black cash on?"  [scared]


A smooth cooktop would be much easier to clean.  It sounds like induction is the way to go.  Would a 5 burner induction cooktop require 220/240V?

A 36" induction top is generally requiring 240V/50-60A feed.  So it's nice if you are close to your electric panel.  Not that it's really any different than any electric stove.  If the builder had any forward mind and ran electrical to everything along with gas, you would probably be ok. I think a lot of tops can also run on 40A breakers, they generally assume no one has all elements at full power at once.

You can usually limit total power in the systems menu of the cooktop.

Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".

Lol. I always wonder who listens to those people. But once in a while I meet someone who does and then I'm reminded a huge share of people don't think rationally  [tongue]
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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2021, 11:08 PM »
Some houses that were on the market that I looked at had these expensive stoves in them and in the sales text it was being praised as a good thing. I was like "do I have to rent a forklift to move that thing to the trash?" "Do I have to grind it in two to fit through the door?" "Is this where people spend their black cash on?"  [scared]

That's my view on hot tubs/jacuzzis.  When we were looking at homes (and even now when I still look around), any time I saw a listing with a hot tub picture, I knew that I needed to look at the seller disclosure to see if it was included with the house or not.  My offer price would have been lower if I had to find someone to haul the thing away after moving in.

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« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2021, 09:15 AM »
Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".
Influencers?

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« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2021, 11:13 AM »
Recently I saw some news stories about Social Media "trend settlers" (I can't remember what those folks are called) are now being paid by gas companies to try and convince people "you have to have a gas stove".
Influencers?

If they lived in DC they'd be known as lobbyist.  [wink]
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Re: Kitchen appliances forum or advice about induction cooktop here.
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2021, 09:46 AM »
If any of you are actually looking at buying a yuppie type stove, I would suggest looking at the GE Cafe series. Extremely well thought out design. Nice lighting on the knobs, good size knobs and legible indicators, awesome oven rack slides, good burner grate removal size. My guess is someone with aging in place experience helped design the stove.
I don't have one but if I were in the market its the one I would buy. Had to take a client on a shopping trip awhile ago and evaluate stoves for his new kitchen. We looked at all the high end units. The new Jenn-Air also had very nice design features.
I've always hated the big Viking and Wolf. Big dumb overkill. I've had to teach clients who to use the griddle or other other burners. Pretty funny when a couple making millions needs a schmuck like me to show him how to use their $15K+ stove.
Due to the wife, we have a Bertazzoni that is Ferrari red and reportedly painted that at the Ferrari factory. No idea if that's legit or advertising BS. 36" 5 burner, works well, cleans easy, oven is a bit finicky to turn on.
We live in gas land so its only the weirdos who use electric stoves here ;)
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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2021, 10:08 AM »
Throwing more wood into the fire, I have a Bosch 36" induction - it's quiet, has boost mode that can dim the neighbourhood lights, but occasionally, once in a rare moon, I do need flame.  Iwatani makes very nice portable butane burners that don't feel like they're going to explode.  I just set it on the induction and lock it down so I don't cook the portable unit [tongue].  Kinda the best of both worlds IMHO.

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« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2021, 05:44 PM »

Due to the wife, we have a Bertazzoni that is Ferrari red and reportedly painted that at the Ferrari factory. No idea if that's legit or advertising BS. 36" 5 burner, works well, cleans easy, oven is a bit finicky to turn on.
We live in gas land so its only the weirdos who use electric stoves here ;)

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Offline Peter Kelly

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« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2021, 10:42 AM »
I was so excited when I moved into my house in 2008 because it had a "Gourmet Kitchen" with all GE Monogram appliances, including a GE Monogram Gas cooktop.  I've been disappointed with all of them!
No surprise there, GE sold their appliances division to China's Haier back in 2016 https://www.haier.com/global/haier_geappliances. Largely junk now.

A smooth cooktop would be much easier to clean.  It sounds like induction is the way to go.  Would a 5 burner induction cooktop require 220/240V?
5-burner induction tops generally require a dedicated 40a 208/240v circuit, some 4-burner ones only require 30a. This can be a massive PIA to retrofit if the builder didn't already wire your kitchen with separate 240v lines for both oven and cooktop.

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« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2021, 05:18 PM »
I've just picked up a lightly marked Gaggenau 200 series induction cooktop from a home clearance bunch (they're stupidly expensive new, but I guess people who'd normally buy these aren't interested in anything with a scratch or too, so they can be pretty cheap as factory 2nds).

I wanted it because it has KNOBS! I really wanted to avoid those touch panels that seem to have sluggish and inconsistence responses. The Gaggenau does all the clever electronic things that other induction tops (like fry sensor and linking zones), but all controlled by conventional knobs on the front.

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Offline Coen

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« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2021, 03:21 PM »
Yeah the ones with knobs are pretty rare. But the few that do exist seem to be a lot more expensive while having lower boost power.

The touch panels come in different flavors of functionality. My 9 year old Siemens works perfectly fine. The new Whirlpool my sister bought against my advise is ridiculously slow to respond.

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« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2021, 09:10 PM »

Due to the wife, we have a Bertazzoni that is Ferrari red and reportedly painted that at the Ferrari factory. No idea if that's legit or advertising BS.

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Those are Alfas in the pic.    The Ferrari factory in Marenello uses robots to paint their car bodies.

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« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2021, 09:57 AM »

Quote from: GoingMyWay on July 14, 2021, 06:31 PM
I was so excited when I moved into my house in 2008 because it had a "Gourmet Kitchen" with all GE Monogram appliances, including a GE Monogram Gas cooktop.  I've been disappointed with all of them!
No surprise there, GE sold their appliances division to China's Haier back in 2016 https://www.haier.com/global/haier_geappliances. Largely junk now.

I fail to see a connection between disappointment in 2008 and an event that happened in 2016.

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« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2021, 07:59 AM »
We went with a 30” GE one which after 4 month or so finally arrived.
Now I have to build a cabinet and figure out the venting.
Looking forward to not having gas anymore and a smooth easy to clean surface.