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Offline rst

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Re: “90 day wonders” or “2 weeks training”.
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2022, 11:05 AM »
Blessing the troops...Russian orthodox church is pretty much an arm of the government.

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Re: “90 day wonders” or “2 weeks training”.
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2022, 11:54 AM »
Starting to creep ...................................


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Re: “90 day wonders” or “2 weeks training”.
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2022, 07:49 AM »
Blessing the troops...Russian orthodox church is pretty much an arm of the government.
TLDR:
Your observation is completely off. You cannot use the Western societies' prism to interpret the dynamics in the Russian society vis-a-vis religion or even war. Theirs is more of a "warrior/surviver" society which does not operate on money as the primary driver. Religion has a different role - a much broader one.


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I.e., no more than the Gov is "an arm of the Church". As in: Neither. They /are expected to/ act like partners by the society at large.

In Russian culture /this goes for whole of Rus' cultural space, not just the Russian Federation of today/ the role of the church is to support the society in times of need. Whatever the source of the threat/danger is.

Any religious organization that fights the "society's" /i.e. the majority's/ position is eventually weeded out by it.

So in the same way the priest blessed the soldiers, do the Imman's of the place in their way etc. etc. Basically any religious group which would not support the society /society is equaled with state there/ would be shunned and lose its followers eventually.

This is actually simillar in the West, just not so pronounced since, e.g. in the US, "the state" and "the society" are seen as way more separate compared to the view in Russia.

For an anectode though, remember how lately even the Pope was shunned for not supporting the war drive ...


A good example is how most people in US did not see that - by insulting Putin - Biden openly insulted /as in personally, from their perspective/ like 90% Russians ... that level of identification of one with the society and the society with the state is not present in the West of today. So even scholars often fail to see and understand it. And then derive wrong conclusions ...
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Re: “90 day wonders” or “2 weeks training”.
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2022, 08:26 AM »
and the creep goes on
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Re: “90 day wonders” or “2 weeks training”.
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2022, 09:12 AM »
Oh come now, a historical/cultural analysis is considered creep, while effectively promoting western misconceptions is not.  Might as well lock this thread now.

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Re: “90 day wonders” or “2 weeks training”.
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2022, 10:48 AM »
The difference is that now politics, politicians, and religion, are being brought into the discussion about Russian troop call ups. Pretty much unavoidable, I guess.

Seth
« Last Edit: October 02, 2022, 11:56 AM by SRSemenza »