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Offline Bertotti

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Festool suffix systainer
« on: December 17, 2020, 10:00 AM »
Yes, I bought one. I am curious though, how you choose which oil to use. I see one is less durable good for shelves and such. I see one is for High use, traffic, applications and one is outdoors. Are all of them food safe, are any of them food safe, and is the outdoor one as durable as the heavy-duty indoor one used for tabletops or cutting boards? I assume the Heavey duty indoor oil is food safe since I have seen it mentioned for use on cutting boards. I am interested in a bigger just but don't really want all three types on hand. Ideally, the outdoor oil is as durable and food safe then it would be my got to if not I'll have to have two oils. I am not interested in the light-duty oil. I would rather use the heavy-duty instead. Thanks for any guidance. My current project a tabletop may or may not get oil. I may wind up using two-part epoxy. Thanks again!
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2020, 10:52 AM »
I made up my own Surfix Systainer to use with a RO 125. I purchased just the items I needed and went from there. I regularly use 751 One Step and 752 Outdoor. I also keep 10-packs of Granat 150 & 240 in the Systainer.

Here are the Festool data sheets for their oils. Maybe this will help you out a bit.

And here are the MSDS sheets, these may also be of interest. I don't think any of the Festool products are food safe.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2020, 11:02 AM by Cheese »

Offline Bertotti

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2020, 12:06 PM »
Thanks for the links. I should have thought of those myself! I deal with MDS MSDS routinely so it is odd it didn't even cross my mind to check data sheets. Thanks again!
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Offline cblanton42

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2020, 03:41 AM »
     For what it's worth, I had a bad experience with their heavy duty outdoor oil and it's definitely not food safe from when I researched it but that was a few years ago.  I used it on the teak deck of my Chris Craft, I noticed it was milky looking with white waxy chunks of something in the oil when I was applying it but they did dissipate when I was buffing it in.  BUT it wouldn't cure and stayed sticky for months and was a real failure, I ended up removing it with oxalic acid and putting down my usual Daly's brand oil with no problems.  I suspect the Festool oil is a very slow selling product and sits on shelves for a long time causing their mix to possibly settle in the bottom of the container, or maybe I just got a bad batch of the oil, but it certainly wasn't a good experience for me.   

Offline Bertotti

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2021, 09:30 PM »
Just exactly o\how far will one of these little .3l containers go. Is it absorbed readily or will it last awhile? I am trying to decide if I should buy a big container or just a couple of refills. I haven't used it yet since my wood hasn't been finished at the mill yet.
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Offline jronman

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2021, 10:01 PM »
I was considering getting the kit then replacing the oil once it is empty with Osmo Polyx or something similar.

Offline mkasdin

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2021, 02:17 AM »
Does the Osmo give better results than the Festool suffix oil? Or is it shades and hints of colors that only a trained eye would see if they were side by side? I guess if someone is paying $thousands for a walnut table or a live edge slab you want the best results.

Offline Bertotti

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2021, 08:43 AM »
I am wondering the same thing. I am ver curious to the non Festool versions of the HD, one step, and Outdoor oils. Any suggestions? I am remodeling a kitchen and using all Cherry. HD was my oil of choice so I have a 5 liter container ordered. But as long as it lasts it won't last forever. I would hope Festool would give some recommendations of similar oils since they are discontinuing it. Sadly everything I ordered is on a backorder so I don't even know if I will get it. Paid for but in a month I expect to see a sorry we can no longer get this here's your credit.
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Online six-point socket II

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2021, 08:49 AM »
Please verify/try before ordering larger quantities:

Per Leinos, an acquaintance inquired about substitutes/replacments:

Festool HD substitute: Leinos LF 283
Festool One Step substitute: Leinos LF 249

Not sure about Leinos availability outside Germany/EU/UK.

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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2021, 09:49 AM »
Per Leinos, an acquaintance inquired about substitutes/replacments:

Festool HD substitute: Leinos LF 283
Festool One Step substitute: Leinos LF 249

The information on the Leinos website shows that LF 283 is intended for use on kitchen worktops, children’s toys, etc. Which should clear up that question — HD appears to be food safe.

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Offline mino

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2021, 01:17 PM »
The information on the Leinos website shows that LF 283 is intended for use on kitchen worktops, children’s toys, etc. Which should clear up that question — HD appears to be food safe.

https://leinos.de/de/produkte/wachse-und-oele-fuer-innen-und-aussen
You need to keep in mind that "food safe" classification does not really exist in Europe.

We have a special category for  "can come in contact with food" which has a meaning of "food can be safely placed/prepared/stored in a container/plate/etc. oiled by it and this for an extended period". For a paint/oil to pass that mark, it must be either literally "edible" or sufficiently inert.

To be allowed to claim such a property you need special certification beyond what the Surfix self-declaration provides.
From what I read, this is a bit different from the US "food safe" category for coats/stains.

From the documentation the Surfix oils are in the "safe to place food on (temporarily)" but not in the "safe/certified to prepare/store food in" category.
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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2021, 01:23 PM »
@mino  You’re absolutely right. Take note: do NOT eat wood treated with this oil : )
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Offline Bertotti

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2021, 08:54 PM »
I emailed festoolusa and they gave me permission to post their reply so here you go. I will look into the oils mentioned above as well but I have a large order in so hopefully I will be set for a year or two before I need more. Fingers crossed. any way here is the reply.

"Hello,
Thank you for contacting Festool. It seems like the oil system will be discontinued in the near future due to low sales. At this time there is no official word as to when exactly the Surfix Oil will be discontinued in the North American Market. The Surfix Oil System is active at this time and components able to be purchased without problems. There is no exact date as to when that will change.
 
 
Best Regards,
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Festool USA LLC
400 N. Enterprise Blvd.
Lebanon, IN 46052".

I can hope sales of it pick way up here and they decide to keep it but I doubt that will happen. Might just go back to shellac flakes and everclear. I can get the good stuff here, not the watered down version some states make the places sell.
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Offline mkasdin

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2021, 02:33 AM »
I’m hoping they release a new sku with the surfix in the systainer3.

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Re: Festool suffix systainer
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2021, 03:05 AM »
Not going to happen, sorry.

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