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Offline zafunk

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TSC-55 ac adapter
« on: August 13, 2014, 12:19 AM »
Probably not in Festool's best interests, but I think an AC adapter for cordless tools like the TSC-55 would be a nice addition.

Dewalt apparently made one for their 24V line:

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Apologies if this has already been discussed.

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Offline ToolGuy42

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2021, 04:52 PM »
I wholeheartedly agree.

Offline madjalapeno

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2021, 04:58 PM »
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Offline mrB

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2021, 05:24 PM »
Yup yup yup 👍
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline squall_line

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2021, 05:30 PM »
I've thought about this quite a bit the last few weeks after agonizing between the HK55 and HKC55.

Because the batteries are shared by the drills, and the drills slide on from the front, I picture someone either in Germany or Indiana (or both) completely freaking out about the usability or aesthetics of that kind of an adapter on, say, a C18.

Also, since the battery connections are shared by the 15V and 18V batteries, you'd need additional circuitry in the adapter to adjust for the needs of the tool.

I'm not saying it can't be done, and I love the idea from a future-proofing and/or barrier-to-entry point of view (I got the RTSC - Set that included the mains adapter for that reason), but like with most things, the devils' in the details...

Offline Bob D.

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2021, 05:44 PM »
I think a battery eliminator or AC adapter for a sander and one for a track saw are not in the same category.

I don't see a 18v battery size adapter being able to supply enough power to run a saw the way it would normally be used on a jobsite. There is just not enough physical space to make it work I believe.

So just because it exists for the line of cordless sanders does not mean it's possible for the TSC55 or a Carvex for that matter. Maybe the Vecturo.
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Offline mrB

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2021, 06:28 PM »
I think that given Dewalt managed it, it seems possible. The 15v issue is kind of irrelevant as 15v isn’t sold anymore and the 18v battery key won’t slide into a 15v machine, that comparability only works in the other direction. The issue of where the cord protrudes from could be solved somehow I’m sure, with probably a degree of compromise in the drill front.

I guess the issue is whether the design of the tools allows a larger unit to slide into the battery bay. I know my HKC is pretty short in extra space with a 5.2 pack in it.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2021, 05:03 AM by mrB »
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Cheese

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2021, 10:15 PM »
I think the real issue is the TSC vs the HKC. The HKC generates full power being driven with 18 volts. The TSC generates full power being driven with 36 volts.

So it's not a far stretch in my mind by modifying an ETSC power supply to work with a HKC if the power supply is capable of supplying the current the HKC needs to draw for full power implementation. 

Offline Svar

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2021, 11:16 PM »
I don't see a 18v battery size adapter being able to supply enough power to run a saw the way it would normally be used on a jobsite. There is just not enough physical space to make it work I believe.
Matabo has 36v adapter for table saw, DeWalt 24v adapter about the same size. I don't see why 18 v adapter should be radically different.

Offline ToolGuy42

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2021, 02:39 PM »
I ended up getting a TS-55 instead of a TSC-55 because I don't like the idea that in the future I may not be able to get new batteries if they end up changing to a different one but with a cord I know I can always use the saw. If the TSC-55 had cord option like the sanders do then I would have definitely gotten a TSC-55. In my opinion, they should just make a cord adapter for the TSC and then they don't even need the TS series anymore. Just sell the TSC with either batteries or the cord and the buyer can choose the route they want to take. Also this would mean more people would probably get both batteries and a cord.

Offline Cheese

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2021, 02:56 PM »
Matabo has 36v adapter for table saw, DeWalt 24v adapter about the same size. I don't see why 18 v adapter should be radically different.

Ya I realize that...my thought was there is probably some voltage limiting circuitry in the saw that would prevent a single 36 volt input on each battery holder so it may become a more difficult issue than simply attaching a single 36v to 120v adapter to the saw. And attaching two 18 volt adapters to the saw that are then tethered to a single cord would be a massive kludge.

The HKC wouldn't have that issue because it will only accept a single 18 volt battery. 

Not saying it can't be done, but the HKC would be almost a no-brainer in comparison.

Offline Gj12

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2021, 05:55 PM »
I received an email months back from festool asking opinions about track saw with batteries, AC or a hybrid, maybe it’s in the works.

Offline Cheese

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2021, 06:58 PM »
The HKC wouldn't have that issue because it will only accept a single 18 volt battery. 

Not saying it can't be done, but the HKC would be almost a no-brainer in comparison.

Per this earlier reply here's an HKC. The 3.1 ERGO battery slips partially into the HKC battery slot. The contacts come to within 1" of lining up with each other, those contact positions are represented by the green strips of tape. It doesn't take a large leap of faith to imagine that some minor modifications would allow the battery to fit.

So, now it's just taking the Festool ACA 18 adapter and boosting the power available in it from 150 watts to ??? watts.



« Last Edit: March 26, 2021, 07:01 PM by Cheese »

Online DeformedTree

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2021, 07:17 PM »
I think having such an adapter for all battery tools would be a great advance, and definitely something that would get those reluctant to buy battery tools from minor systems (like Festool) to possibly go for it.

On larger tools, part of me wonders even about having an AC port and the battery port on the same tool, not just an adapter.  While it would be a pain electrically, if you had a setup where you are pulling power from the wall, and a battery can be there for surges, that could be nice. Also you could just have a nice cover over where the battery goes if you never use it.

Of course the biggest reason to go this path (all tools are battery based) is you get to a global tool.  No more dealing with different voltages and such.

Offline Cheese

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2021, 07:56 PM »
On larger tools, part of me wonders even about having an AC port and the battery port on the same tool, not just an adapter.  While it would be a pain electrically, if you had a setup where you are pulling power from the wall, and a battery can be there for surges, that could be nice.

To your point, maybe 6-7 years ago I stumbled upon a red drill that had exactly those features. It wasn't Milwaukee, Mafell or Hilti and I've tried to find it again on several occasions just to find out how it faired.

It was a cordless hammer drill that you could also plug directly into the wall and while you were using it on 120 v power it was also charging the battery...pretty slick. A nice compact package that contained all the parts and you didn't need to swap batteries and power supplies in and out. You were always good to go.  [big grin]

Offline wpz

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2021, 11:01 PM »
To your point, maybe 6-7 years ago I stumbled upon a red drill that had exactly those features. It wasn't Milwaukee, Mafell or Hilti and I've tried to find it again on several occasions just to find out how it faired.

It was a cordless hammer drill that you could also plug directly into the wall and while you were using it on 120 v power it was also charging the battery...pretty slick. A nice compact package that contained all the parts and you didn't need to swap batteries and power supplies in and out. You were always good to go.  [big grin]

Hi @Cheese,

Was it this one?

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How did it fare? The Kress company had financial troubles from 2012 and went officially bankrupt in 2017.
The KRESS brand name got sold to some low cost tools company from the far east (POSITEC, they also make the WORX brand tools).
Some of the original Kress tools are still made by a new company called AMB-ELEKTRIK.

https://www.amb-elektrik.de

In my opinion, their small CNC router motors are among the best in the world (together with MAFELL and SUHNER)



Some links with more info about the drill and the kress company (in German and Dutch)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kress_Elektrowerkzeuge
https://www.distrelec.nl/nl/rotary-hammer-drill-bipower-kress-360-bps-bi-power/p/11027650

wpz




Offline Cheese

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Re: TSC-55 ac adapter
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2021, 11:28 AM »

Hi @Cheese,

Was it this one?


Well thanks for that @wpz    [smile]

That probably is the drill I was thinking about, it's just been so long I can't say for sure. Too bad they went away, it would have been interesting to see where their idea would eventually land. The idea has a lot of merit but probably just too far ahead of the times.