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Offline Reiska

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I wish for a TS60R
« on: July 17, 2012, 05:22 PM »
Just cut some 2x4's and found it irritating that when on the rail and slightly warped boards I could not get through the wood. I was left with a 1mm strip of uncut wood at the bottom and found it dodgy to stick the saw without the rail into the cut and then run the blade in the cut and plunge through to finish the cut.

How hard would it be to add that 5mm to make sure you can cut 50mm thick stock on a rail guaranteedly.
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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 05:38 PM »
Just cut some 2x4's and found it irritating that when on the rail and slightly warped boards I could not get through the wood. I was left with a 1mm strip of uncut wood at the bottom and found it dodgy to stick the saw without the rail into the cut and then run the blade in the cut and plunge through to finish the cut.

How hard would it be to add that 5mm to make sure you can cut 50mm thick stock on a rail guaranteedly.

Well 2x4 Normally finishes at 45 x 95mm.   So the TS55 is plenty   But if u wanted more u might as well get the TS 75 no point having a saw in between.

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Offline Alex

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 06:40 PM »
Of course there is a point having a saw in between. Most companies make a saw for the 190mm blade with a saw depth of 65 mm. Festool used to have one too, the AT 65.

Offline Kev

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 06:44 PM »
I'm with Reiska and Alex - an in between model (TS65) would be sweet. A also feel the 55 is too small in a CMS (for my intended use).

Offline Reiska

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 06:50 PM »
Well, predimensioned pressure treated 2x4 here is 47x94mm standard and unplained stock comes at 50x100mm. This time I was working with unplained material and was left just that hair short  [mad]

And I totally aggree with Kev that both the rail and the CMS eat away millimetres from the cut depth so a 65mm saw would probably with a nice sweet spot as smaller than a 75, yet small enough to handle with one hand and still be able to cut 50mm stock both on a rail & in a CMS module.

Then maybe Festool could upgrade the 75 to say 85 or even 95 since as far as I'm concerned the 75 is too heavy for hand held use anyway so why not make it a proper CMS saw (or preferably make that CMS-module version of the Precisio  [tongue])
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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 06:55 PM »
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Offline Ken Nagrod

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 07:16 PM »
Where's the plug-it cord and vacuum pickup?

Maybe Darcy should try to find one.  Then he'll just need the hat.

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 07:26 PM »
Where's the plug-it cord and vacuum pickup?

Maybe Darcy should try to find one.  Then he'll just need the hat.


I already have the hat. [big grin]

I will see what I can kick up in regards to the saw.

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 07:49 PM »
Steve Bace has a model quite similar to that in Henderson.  Not sure it's that big, blade-wise, but it will certainly give one a hernia trying to pick it up. 

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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2012, 01:40 AM »
Of course there is a point having a saw in between. Most companies make a saw for the 190mm blade with a saw depth of 65 mm. Festool used to have one too, the AT 65.

Your talking about saws which are cheap.
Well If that is so I can't see people buying a TS55   TS60/65 and TS75.     One of them will very likely not sell very well.   I know I would ONLY buy a TS55 so I have a light one for doing most jobs and then buy TS75 for larger stuff.  Which is what I have done! TS55 is my fav saw to use and then I'll pop my TS75 out when the 55 can't handle it.

Maybe people will just buy TS60/65 only and not bother with the other two but I cant see some one buying a TS55 and then TS65  or TS65 and thenTS75  not enough difference.  

Very much like the Rotex. 90  and 125 and 150. I bet the 125 doesn't do so well now you have the 90.  I have the 90 and 150 I would never dream of buying the 125 Rotex no point.

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2012, 03:04 AM »
Hi Reiska

I understand the frustration when you tackle stock that is too big for the TS55 (or TS55R) but - you should have realised that this would happen before you made the cut.

I do not have the TS75 and am unlikely to be able to justify one. I might 'need' one every now and again but I get around it by making the deepest cut that I can with my TS55 and then whizzing through the tiny bit of stock left by using a hand saw. It takes no time at all and I can either finish with a plane or a sander.

I have the CMS with the TS55R and, for me, it is the most brilliant setup. I can make really accurate cuts, move the whole thing out of the way when required and know that I can fold it down and put it in the back of my (very small) saloon car in seconds.

I know that you have space problems and so you probably do not want to buy too much kit but you can at least use a hand saw.

Peter


Offline Kev

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2012, 04:27 AM »
JMB's right in terms of saw economics, but that doesn't mean a 65 is bad - popular choices could become ...

1 x 65
1 x 55 + 1 x 75
1 x 65 + 1 x 75

Probably rarely 1 x 55 + 1 x 65

But that's ok.

Would Peter have chosen a TS65R if it had been available for his CMS investment and also come with "snap in" integation for a modest sum more? Probably.

Would Reiska have gone with a CMS friendly 65? Yep.

Would JMB have told us the new TS65R is completely ineffective for drilling holes? Good chance  [big grin]

Offline Alex

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2012, 04:52 AM »
Of course there is a point having a saw in between. Most companies make a saw for the 190mm blade with a saw depth of 65 mm. Festool used to have one too, the AT 65.

Your talking about saws which are cheap.

I don't see what the 65 mm size has to do with being cheap or expensive.

Well If that is so I can't see people buying a TS55   TS60/64 and TS75.     One of them will very likely not sell very well.  

I agree with you on that. But why would people have to buy all saws available? People just pick one or two that appeal to them.

Anyway, Festool has probably gone through all that already. In the past they offered a lot more saws than they do today. They had saws with a depth of 55, 65, 75 and 85 mm in both the plunge and the standard circular saw variety. I'm sure they decided to narrow their line down to just two out of financial\sales reasons, and stayed with their two best selling saws to optimise their stock and production lines. Probably makes sense for a smaller tool manufacturer like Festool. But other, bigger tool manufacturers like Bosch, Metabo, Makita, DeWalt, Hitachi etc,  have no such concerns and still offer saws in many sizes, the 65 mm included.   

Offline Mavrik

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2012, 05:21 AM »
I also wish the TS55 had a few extra mm of cut - have often run into the same problem of the last bit.
It would make little sense to have 3 saws ... so would have been nice if the TS55 were a tiny bit bigger; or the rail system were a tiny bit lower.

The beauty of the TS55 is its small size and easy-to-pick-up-with-one-hand thing.
So I don't want to buy a TS75 for the very rare occassions I need it.
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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2012, 06:13 AM »
My answer to the question above about other saw sizes is no - I would stick to the TS55R as I have bad wrists (elbows, knees etc) and I can easily manage the dear little TS55 or TS55R. I need a saw that I can put in and out of the CMS unit to make life simpler when working away from base - I just take the one saw and take it out when I need to do a rail cut.

If my arthritis were not an issue I would have the biggest saw possible in the CMS unit and accept the slight awkwardness on the rails. As a rough estimate I would say that 95% of my cutting can easily be done with my TS55R either on the rails or in the CMS unit (mostly 25mm and below thickness). I only kept my big old tablesaw for those odd cuts over 50mm but they became so rare that I sold the thing. I now do all of my over 50mm cuts in solid stock with my sweet little Elektra Beckum bandsaw.

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2012, 06:32 AM »
My answer to the question above about other saw sizes is no - I would stick to the TS55R as I have bad wrists (elbows, knees etc) and I can easily manage the dear little TS55 or TS55R. I need a saw that I can put in and out of the CMS unit to make life simpler when working away from base - I just take the one saw and take it out when I need to do a rail cut.

If my arthritis were not an issue I would have the biggest saw possible in the CMS unit and accept the slight awkwardness on the rails. As a rough estimate I would say that 95% of my cutting can easily be done with my TS55R either on the rails or in the CMS unit (mostly 25mm and below thickness). I only kept my big old tablesaw for those odd cuts over 50mm but they became so rare that I sold the thing. I now do all of my over 50mm cuts in solid stock with my sweet little Elektra Beckum bandsaw.

Peter

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Offline Alan m

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2012, 08:12 AM »
how about a ts35, ts65,ts85.

i could see a point in owning all of those. the 35 would be great for sheets and it would be light.
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Offline Reiska

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2012, 11:36 AM »
My original post ment the TS60 to be the replacement to the 55's - not a new size in the lineup.
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Offline Nigel

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2012, 12:05 PM »
I can see Reiska's point wanting those few extra mm on the 55 but in reality the 75 is so much better for thicker pieces due to the extra power and it's easy to use one handed. For a TS60 to be any good it would need a bigger motor and that would add weight... might as well get the 75.

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2012, 03:02 PM »
Or a thinner rail to get that two mm to cut through 50mm material for sure... I don't want to cut thicker than 50mm standard 2" stock with my TS55 which should be made for this maximum capasity, but because the rail eats 5mm away Festool has not given any thought to imperfect wood being twisted in any way.
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Offline Kev

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2012, 07:38 PM »
I think the 55 is on the limit power wise for it's cutting depth ... maybe 5mm more and a turbo button  [big grin]

Offline ifit

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2013, 05:31 AM »
If you dont mind butchering your saw, I had a load of 165mm blades so took the side cover off my ts55 and ground a tiny bit out on the inside near the top and now have an extra couple of mm's

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2013, 05:55 AM »
I stick 216mm blades in my 75 and it is slightly close to the actual depth

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2013, 06:05 AM »
Or a thinner rail to get that two mm to cut through 50mm material for sure... I don't want to cut thicker than 50mm standard 2" stock with my TS55 which should be made for this maximum capasity, but because the rail eats 5mm away Festool has not given any thought to imperfect wood being twisted in any way.
I do not know about the rest of Europe or NA but in the UK when you buy planed wood that has a nominal thickness of 50 mm then that dimension refers to the original sawn thickness. I can cut planed 4x2 s in the UK with my TS55 (although I am more likely to do it on my Kapex.

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2013, 07:43 AM »
Yes, planed 2x4 here is actually 48mm x 96mm, but rough pressure treated lumber is actually 51mm x 102mm and cutting this leaves an irritating 1mm of wood intact...

Of course I can drag my sliding mitre saw out to do that cut, but most of the time I can't be bothered for a couple of boards and end up cutting as far as I can with the TS55 on my MFT/3 and finishing off with a hand saw. Just doesn't turn as nice & smooth than a through cut on the TS. That extra 5-10mm would guarantee a real two inch cutting depth even on a rail and flex a bit over to account for unoptimal lumber that's sold as two inches thick.
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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2013, 11:27 AM »
I was searching for a hilti 267E circ saw for just that reason - times when you need a bit more depth, like cutting down exterior doors, etc.  The Hilti 267E saw (discontinued 6-7 years ago...) takes a standard 7 1/4" blade, rides on the Festool rails, has good dust collection, dual bevel locks (for superior rigidity compared to standard sidewinders), and a lot more power than the TS55.

So - great compliment to your TS55 saw, but virtually unobtainable in the US.  A little while back, I posted a WTB ad on my local CL and actually found one a guy who had bought one years ago  and wasn't using and bought it from him for $60!  Got it cleaned and adjusted, gonna be a keeper.  In fact, I'm selling off my other jobsite circ saws as the Hilti makes a great knock-around saw as well as a guide rail/sut collection saw here and there.  They sold new for about $350 when they were available.  It's a gear-driven saw, not a direct drive, so it's louder than a normal circ saw, but also has variable speed, so it's well suited for some metal and plastic work too.

Hard to find, but worth it if you can.

JT

Offline ifit

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2013, 01:07 PM »
the new hilti's have a groove for the rail, ive got the 36v one which i do a lot of work with

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Re: I wish for a TS60R
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2013, 04:31 PM »
If I'm not mistaken there are 162mm blades out there
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