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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2014, 05:09 AM »
The combination of CXS and PDC is very hard to beat!

I do have the installer's kit too which is expensive and many items in it get unused - but the items I do use ooze quality except the long bits which seem to be made of plastic and have to be used with caution - I only use if absolutely have to!

I didn't get the installer's kit, I opted for getting most of what was in the installer's kit individual for quite reasonable prices at ACH autocolor, which left money for the centrotec Zobo bits, The sets I bought with DB in their name come in containers that fit in the attic lid of the PDC's systainer which is a nice touch.. I think though that I'll end up getting some of the other things from the installer's kit like the 5-15 countersink, and the countersink with depth stop 3.5 mm.

I agree that the PDC combined with the CXS is going to be a killer setup!
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Offline carlb40

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2014, 05:07 PM »
I love my cxs and find i am using it more and more every week.
At first i wasn't that impressed with the battery life as they were lasting about 3/4 of a day before needing to be charged. Now however it could be 2 days before charges.
 I push mine to it's limit and beyond. Yesterday it was used to fix ply to stud was with 2" 10 screws without pilot holes.
Today i installed an external door frame with 5" 12 screws. Not once did it complain or struggle.  [big grin]

I will be glad when the day comes when i have the DRC to replace my big heavy 18v makita. When ever i pick it up, i always think whether the cxs can do the job instead. 9 times out of 10 it can. Now the makita only gets used for drilling out locks.  [wink]
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Offline Davej

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2014, 06:12 PM »
I love my cxs and find i am using it more and more every week.
At first i wasn't that impressed with the battery life as they were lasting about 3/4 of a day before needing to be charged. Now however it could be 2 days before charges.
 I push mine to it's limit and beyond. Yesterday it was used to fix ply to stud was with 2" 10 screws without pilot holes.
Today i installed an external door frame with 5" 12 screws. Not once did it complain or struggle.  [big grin]
 

I agree totally . I've had my cxs for about a year and it's the first drill I pick up regardless of the task in  hand .
I just wish I could find the holy grail of screwdriver bits to match.
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Offline carlb40

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2014, 03:57 AM »
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I agree totally . I've had my cxs for about a year and it's the first drill I pick up regardless of the task in  hand .
I just wish I could find the holy grail of screwdriver bits to match.
Dave



I use the wera impact bits for 99% of the time. Only resorting to cheap dewalt bits if i have to use really cheap screws, as i find they fit the heads better on the cheap screws supplied for jobs.  [mad]
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Offline Dan1210

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2014, 03:23 PM »
Ive had one since launch, love the drill couldnt be without it! Used mainly for kitchens and light carpentry.
However it has gone thru 2 motors in its lifetime. I never drive anything bigger than 50mm screws with this drill.
Generally i use about 1.5 batts during a full day.
If they release a new version i would buy it in a heartbeat!
My dad has the small bosch drills and my bros has the small dewalt drills. The bosch and dewalt smoke the cxs with the bosch being the most powerful.
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Offline omega1848

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2020, 04:55 PM »
Are there any news about a potential CXS upgrade to a brushless motor?
Just about to buy a new one and i do not want to have another ‚Apple Macbook Upgrade‘ moment. ;-)

Online Stan Tillinghast

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2020, 05:37 PM »
Wow. Hope you haven’t been waiting for six years to buy a CXS.
I second everything said about the ergonomics. I have a Makita drill/impact set in LXT brushless. Much more powerful than the CXS, but I still reach for the CXS first. Unfortunately so does my wife.
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Offline omega1848

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2020, 05:53 PM »
No, not really, but I am trying to make up my mind in which system i should invest now.
Until now I am still living the ‚cord life‘, I tried ‚cord cutting‘ a few years ago with Bosch Professional 12V system, but was never to happy with it (ergonomics because of the thick handle due to the sloted battery into the grip), parallel I still using Makita drilling hammer, with cable.
But I would like to avoid a mixture of different brands and/ or voltage.
Right now I am between Festool CXS (12V) plus maybe Festool 18V (replacing my Makita with the BHC) or Milwaukee 12V series or Makita 12V....

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2020, 06:42 PM »
Just a head up regarding grip: If you didn’t like the Bosch 12V you wouldn’t like Milwaukee 12V either. It’s the same battery-in-grip design. In which Makita also had on their previous 10.8V system.
Makita now has slide style batteries aka most 18V platforms, Festool too.
Me neither liked the grip of Bosch 12V system. I sold all my Bosch and bought further into Makita with the CXT 12V platform which has the same grip as its 18V system, I’m very happy with this, and the grip on Festool’s battery machines as well. I did recently buy a CXS, and it has fantastic ergonomics if you like the rear grip style over the t-handle. The TXS and CXS are the only tools that uses the 12V batteries from Festool.
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Offline CarlsonCarpentry

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2020, 07:00 PM »
Agreed with that. I love my m12 but every time I hold another brand it remember how small handles can be without the battery in it.

There is a great deal on a CXS in classifieds right now. $250 in comparison the Milwaukee kit is $230.

Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2020, 11:16 PM »
I still prefer my Sig P226 to the P320.

Copy that.  But once I latched on to the P229, the P226s aren't getting as much love.  I recently tested both my P226 and P229 using 357Sig.  Couldn't believe the P229 was actually nicer to shoot in this caliber.  Sorry about getting off topic but I love my Sigs.

Offline xedos

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2020, 12:22 AM »
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Just a head up regarding grip: If you didn’t like the Bosch 12V you wouldn’t like Milwaukee 12V either. It’s the same battery-in-grip design

Not exactly   [blink]

While the design is similar , the implementation is different. Mikwaukee's designs have a smaller circumference on the handles/ grips than the Bosch ones. Some guys find them more comfortable. 

Milwaukee has a new install driver that's a knockoff of CXS, with a lot more chucks that you may or may not find useful.  Worth a look/feel if you're shopping.   Their 4 & 6 Ah batteries help with the balance on a lot of tools and the capacity can't be matched in Festools 12v lineup.   The number of tools the platform supports is over a hundred, but you probably won't have a need for a grease gun or PEX expander.   But things like a stapler, heat gun, or inspection camera might appeal to more people.

That said , it's still hard to deny the CXS feel, ergonomics being superior. It's just that it's getting long in the tooth, and the battery basically doesn't fit anything else.  So, if you don't care about compatibility, it's still a winner. 

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2020, 06:25 AM »
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Just a head up regarding grip: If you didn’t like the Bosch 12V you wouldn’t like Milwaukee 12V either. It’s the same battery-in-grip design

Not exactly   [blink]

While the design is similar , the implementation is different. Mikwaukee's designs have a smaller circumference on the handles/ grips than the Bosch ones. Some guys find them more comfortable. 

Milwaukee has a new install driver that's a knockoff of CXS, with a lot more chucks that you may or may not find useful.  Worth a look/feel if you're shopping.   Their 4 & 6 Ah batteries help with the balance on a lot of tools and the capacity can't be matched in Festools 12v lineup.   The number of tools the platform supports is over a hundred, but you probably won't have a need for a grease gun or PEX expander.   But things like a stapler, heat gun, or inspection camera might appeal to more people.

That said , it's still hard to deny the CXS feel, ergonomics being superior. It's just that it's getting long in the tooth, and the battery basically doesn't fit anything else.  So, if you don't care about compatibility, it's still a winner.

Well, it’s not far off. But it’s certainly up to each to to decide.
I have the Milwaukee polisher, had the CXS knock off, but returned it. Festool goes around most others out there in terms of electronics and handling. Always go for what feels best for you, and always consider “hidden” qualities -  not everything is about what you see or torque..
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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2020, 10:07 PM »
The Milwaukee cxs/t18/c18 hybrid knockoff has some head-scratching, deal-breaking qualities to it.  A brushless CXS will arrive when a Chinese factory decides to produce an off the shelf brushless motor the same size/dimensions as the all in one brushed motor inside of the current CXS.  Or when Festool decides to bother making their own motors.

Offline Cypren

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2020, 07:16 PM »
The Milwaukee cxs/t18/c18 hybrid knockoff has some head-scratching, deal-breaking qualities to it.

Can you elaborate on this? I'm just curious to know what you considered deal-breaking about it, specifically. The main thing I've noticed is that -- just like when you compare Milwaukee and Festool's full-sized drills -- it lacks the level of fine control in the trigger and the light touch of the electronic clutch in the CXS. I use my CXS all the time for delicate screwdriving in small electronic circuit boards and plastic parts where over-torquing would destroy the work piece. I would never try that with any of my Milwaukee drills.

Offline yetihunter

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2020, 10:20 PM »
Coincidentally, I’ve also used the CXS, PDC and T18 on circuit boards and other delicate assemblies/bench action.  Festool really shines there.  They make the only drills I trust if that makes sense.

Milwaukee’s installation driver has no forward reverse switch.  Instead, it’s a membrane button selector on top of the tool.  It’s crazy stupid.  The chucks don’t go on and off easily like Bosch/Festool, either.

I couldn’t get pictures to load but my current “brushless txs” is an imported Makita DDF083Z it is so good except for two things:

1.) Trigger either goes off like a rocket or it goes off like a rocket ship.  Feathering always.
2.) The clutch may as well not be there.

You guys are making me want my CXS back, stop it.  It’s wimpy. 🤪

Offline xedos

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2020, 11:16 AM »
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I'm going to buy a CXS, not because I'm a fanboy, but a three year warranty on the drill and batteries

Not sure what the particulars are in the UK, but in the "Colonies" Bosch tools have a three year warranty.  The batteries are two years, and you have to register them  ::) 


Offline notenoughcash

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2020, 05:35 PM »
If you didn’t like the Bosch 12V you wouldn’t like Milwaukee 12V either.

not to open a can of worms, but having used both, the m12 is much nicer to hold, infact, my m12cd is just about the only drill i use.  the difference is m12 tapers at the top and bosch stays fat all the way up
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Offline xedos

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2020, 05:44 PM »
This is very user specific - see above.     I hate the 12v milwaukee handles.

Offline Doug S

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2020, 08:35 PM »
The cxs is not as powerful as others and not brushless but it's my favourite driver by far, in my opinion no other driver feels as good in the hand.

Offline Eric J

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2020, 10:55 PM »
The cxs is not as powerful as others and not brushless but it's my favourite driver by far, in my opinion no other driver feels as good in the hand.

I've found that the CXS's maximum torque coincides with the point at which the twisting force on my wrist starts to become uncomfortable. In my opinion, adding more torque via a brushless motor won't make the tool better, it will just make it harder to control and push it into an operating zone that's better served by an impact driver, or a drill with a grip further below the axis of rotation.

Offline Wayne CW

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2021, 08:32 AM »
Since everyone seems to love those little drills i just ordered one from Ultimate Tools in Burnaby, BC and it is currently on a Purolator truck heading my way. 😃
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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2021, 07:04 PM »
A brushless CXS would yield higher top speed in 2. gear, but could be less torque in 1. gear and less linear control. It would last much longer on even existing batteries (although I believe it do last pretty long as pr. today)
A brushless motor would also most likely demand a thicker upper body to accommodate the magnets and controllers. But it would be shorter.

A give and take. I’d guess that’s why it hasn’t been redesigned, it may alter the features loved by so many.
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Offline John Huh

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2021, 11:03 AM »
Since everyone seems to love those little drills i just ordered one from Ultimate Tools in Burnaby, BC and it is currently on a Purolator truck heading my way. 😃

Hope you had a chance to use it for sometime. How do you like it?

I was on the fence for the longest time; now that I have it, it’s the go-to drill for most of the time.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Festool CXS Brushless
« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2021, 11:46 AM »
I had the Bosch since the time when they used to call them 10.8v and got involved with the voltage wars/advertising/marketing gimmick. The original (pocket driver) was hex collet only and single speed. 400rpm IIRC? It was basically a pistol-grip version of the stick-style screwdriver. Snice it was so much shorter and a more familiar form-factor, I used one when I worked in the assembly/up-fit area of the cabinet shop. It was great for the little PH2 screws on hardware. Then they came out with one that had an actual drill chuck. I saw one at a demo during an open house at a local tool store, bought it right then. That version was updated sometime later with better ergonomics and a 2 speed gearbox. So I bought one of them and sold off the other one to one of the installers. After that they came out with a right-angle drill, bought that too. I got along with all of that for several years. After moving out of the assembly/up-fit area, I didn't have the need for as many different drills/drivers at the same time, so they just kind of sat. I sold all of the Bosch stuff and went to the CSX. That one tool could do all of the things the others did, take less space and actually get used more, because it was only one. I had no idea how much I would like the ergonomics of it. It is as much of an extension of your hand as anything could be. I don't drive big screws with it, but it could. The Makita brushless impact driver does that. But the CSX is my go-to for most things and I wouldn't change a thing on it.
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