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Offline Jakez

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CT-SYS but bigger
« on: October 20, 2020, 01:44 PM »
The CT-SYS is really cool, and so glad it just stacks and fits with all the other Systainers. I would love it to be bigger (taller) for a bigger motor for better suction, and to have a bigger bag (that bags fill up too quickly).

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Offline Svar

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2020, 02:05 PM »
I think it should be modular in a SYS format. Motor module, dust bin module SYS1 through SYS5, cyclone separator module, and sys cart. Then you buy modules that you want and configure your own extractor or reconfigure it for a specific job.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 05:43 PM by Svar »

Offline Alex

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2020, 03:49 PM »
I think it should be modular in a SYS format. Motor module, dust bin module SYS1 through SYS5, cyclone separator module, and sys cart. Than you buy modules that you want and configure your own extractor.

Now that's a great idea.  [thumbs up]

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2020, 05:21 PM »
Great ideas Jakez and Svar!  [big grin]
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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2020, 05:37 PM »
Not exactly what you're looking for @Jakez , but it's at least possible on our own to make the top bigger and more functional by modifying a Sys-2 and Sys-MFT top: https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/ct-sys-sys-mft/
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Offline Alex

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2020, 05:49 PM »
The CT-SYS is really cool, and so glad it just stacks and fits with all the other Systainers. I would love it to be bigger (taller) for a bigger motor for better suction, and to have a bigger bag (that bags fill up too quickly).

Actually, Festool makes that. It's called the CT Mini.

Offline Jakez

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2020, 05:50 PM »
Not exactly what you're looking for @Jakez , but it's at least possible on our own to make the top bigger and more functional by modifying a Sys-2 and Sys-MFT top: https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/ct-sys-sys-mft/

That is really cool! I'm less concerned about the hose/cord, and moreso want a bigger motor to match the power/suction of the rest of the Festool Dust Extractors and bigger bags.

Offline Jakez

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2020, 05:54 PM »
Not exactly what you're looking for @Jakez , but it's at least possible on our own to make the top bigger and more functional by modifying a Sys-2 and Sys-MFT top: https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/ct-sys-sys-mft/

That is really cool! I'm less concerned about the hose/cord, and moreso want a bigger motor to match the power/suction of the rest of the Festool Dust Extractors and bigger bags.

The CT Mini is not the same dimensions as Systainers - that's what I'd want. Take a CT Mini or CT Midi, take off the wheels, and make it Systainer dimensions and I'd be super happy. Though I love the idea of a multi-part system; buy a base which would hold a bag, then the middle module is the motor and switches, and a top module for hoses/cords, etc.

Offline Alex

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2020, 06:20 PM »
But what's the point of a vac without wheels? Or do you want to use your vac only stationary? Because when vacs get bigger, they're not so easy to carry around as a systainer.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2020, 10:36 PM »
I think it should be modular in a SYS format. Motor module, dust bin module SYS1 through SYS5, cyclone separator module, and sys cart. Then you buy modules that you want and configure your own extractor or reconfigure it for a specific job.

This!   

Also a Battery module so you can power it off a wall, and pass thru to corded tools, but have the option to disconnect when you need to carry it someplace and do some sucking.

Might add a hose retractor spool module.  Just like air or power cords, it pulls it back in.  Again, a module, so if you don't want, no issues.

I like my 2 CT26's  But I also wish they were straight up systainers.  I can't pack them up with all the other systainers, or stack them, etc.

Offline aloysius

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2020, 12:35 AM »
If it could be fitted with bypass motor cooling like all other dust extractors tend to be, then a variable speed variac/thermistor could e added too.

The biggest failing with the old one in my opinion was the fact that it had to perpetually run flat-out irrespective of which tool type was used.

As it stands, the CTL-Sys is really just a variation of a domestic vacuum cleaner rather than an actual extractor.  With bypass cooling, greater capacity & modular cyclonic separation its usefulness would expand exponentially.
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Offline xedos

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2020, 10:24 AM »
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The CT Mini is not the same dimensions as Systainers -

Well, the last generation was.  Sorta, maybe, not really. MINI is the same height as two Sys3 stacked together.   And though not exactly the same height in that Greman precision sort of way, a MINI was close enough in height to stack next to a Sys4+1 or other similar combos to have a relatively flat top with 9 stacks arranged in a 3x3 cube.   That's my go to config. to fit under the parcel cover in the back of my range rover or landcruiser.

The new gen MINI - you're correct, they don't lineup.  But that's with the last gen Systainers.    I suspect it does align with the newest generation of systainers that are currently shipping.   Though I have not verified that.


My initial issue with CT-SYS was that too small hose garage.   Not only did it barely house what it was intended to , It messed with my transport system.    All was solved when I scrapped the sys1 garage for a homebrew Sys2 like discussed here already.  Sys-MFT has never done anything for me, and it makes carrying the vac kinda awkward - so I didn't opt for that.


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I am wondering if CT-SYS is due for a re-design given the new Systainer sizing ?
 
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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2020, 10:33 AM »
I am wondering if CT-SYS is due for a re-design given the new Systainer sizing ?

@xedos, hard to say for sure. If so, we will certainly see it in Europe months before we see it in the U.S. market. I have a feeling that the transition to Sys³ is going to be very gradual.
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Offline notenoughcash

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2020, 05:31 PM »
make it cordless and bluetooth while your at it festool...  please ;)
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Offline xedos

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2020, 10:56 PM »
Bluetooth for sure.   Needs to match the "system" marketing wank they're always on about. 

All the other vacs now have it.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2020, 05:27 AM »
I think it should be modular in a SYS format. Motor module, dust bin module SYS1 through SYS5, cyclone separator module, and sys cart. Then you buy modules that you want and configure your own extractor or reconfigure it for a specific job.

This is a great idea. 👍
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Offline demographic

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2020, 03:28 AM »
make it cordless and bluetooth while your at it festool...  please ;)

And class M compliant.
I'd  be all over one of those.
I already have a CTM26 which is great on sites where access is nice and flat but throw inna few flights of stairs, scaffolding ladders and mud on the entrance and I try to leave it in my van.
Oh and while we're one with it, make the systainer handles so they don't unclip so easy after theyve worn a bit.

Offline papasteve

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2020, 10:04 AM »
You can add robust, variable suction to CT-SYS for under $12.  Order a Ridgid "hose grip with bleeder valve" from HD.  (I haven't seem them stocked in stores but my online order arrived quickly). Plug your Festool hose into the grip, then plug the grip into your CT sys.  Adjust to desired suction by twisting the red band, opening the port.  Fits perfectly, no fuss.



You can even make it antistatic if you want. 
https://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?pretty;board=festool-tool-reviews;topic=ctl-sys-review.msg463617#msg463617

Offline papasteve

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2020, 10:21 AM »
But I would also like to have a larger bag!

Offline papasteve

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2020, 11:31 AM »
I agree that bypass cooling/thermistor ctrl would be great as I notice the CT sys valve opening and closing soon after I turn the CT SYS on and start using it- unless the bag has been changed out very recently. 

Thinking about getting a Dustopper (also sold through Home Depot;  basically an inexpensive and reasonably low-profile pre-separator) as a relatively inexpensive fix for this.  I hear it works pretty well for wood sanding dust but not for drywall dust. I'd probably put a weight in the bottom and place it right on top of the CT sys (with hose garage removed). 

Perhaps I should have bought a CT mini or midi to start with. I don't like having to do all these workarounds but having a single compact vacuum has its advantages.   

Offline mkasdin

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2020, 03:07 PM »
I have been using the CT-15 for a while. It’s a stripped down version of he CT-Midi. No brake and no Bluetooth. Also won’t accept systainers on top and no hose garage. Overall it’s a good value without bleeding the bank.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2020, 07:12 PM »

Thinking about getting a Dustopper (also sold through Home Depot;  basically an inexpensive and reasonably low-profile pre-separator) as a relatively inexpensive fix for this.  I hear it works pretty well for wood sanding dust but not for drywall dust. I'd probably put a weight in the bottom and place it right on top of the CT sys (with hose garage removed). 


Something like this?

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Offline papasteve

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2020, 09:40 PM »
Yes, like that!  I especially like the way you have used smooth pvc with the Dustopper rather than ribbed hose. Does it work well?  Specifically,

(a) do you notice the CT-SYS valve opening and closing as much?  I would think this would be less of a problem with the Dustopper, and of course you shouldn't have to replace bags that often. 
(b)is suction reduced noticeably by the Dustopper?

If so, your system (coupled with any of several variable suction "hacks") would seem to address, at low cost, many of the limitations of the CT SYS discussed in this thread for those of us who love its compact size, stackability, etc., don't desperately need more suction, and aren't ready to buy another, large Festool vac (I already have two shop vacuums).






Offline Bob D.

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2020, 06:23 AM »
Well I have not taken any measurements to determine any performance differences, it's by eye so to speak but I have not noticed any difference in suction. The bin (in this case a 5 gallon bucket) does trap most of the debris. How efficient it is compared to a cyclone I don't know. I do use it with my sanders as shown in the photo but drywall dust I have no idea how it would perform.

I used 1-1/2" ABS DWV pipe and some fittings I had laying around to plumb everything up. The bucket is mounted to a piece of 1/2" MDO that is cut to attach to a Systainer (in this case the CT-SYS) and has the feet to engage the top of the Systainer plus the latch. You can pick up the CT-SYS and the bucket by the bucket handle, but I wouldn't try to pick up a whole stack of Systainers with it. I cut a slightly oversize hole in the MDO located to allow the pipe to pass through and couple to the CT-SYS. To secure the bucket so it could not tip over I cut a ring to fit the bottom of the bucket and from that cut some segments that I placed around the bottom plus added some thumb latches for a "no-tools required" way to attach/detach the bucket. I used some scraps to make a cord hanger off the back and also some postsw to fit the vacuum nozzles so I don't have to hunt for them. The cart is made from a cheap movers dolly and a piece of 3/4 EMT conduit that I bent into a hamdle. I used a couple metal shelf brackets I had laying around to support the handle.

If I had it to do over and had a spare SYS IV or V I would look at converting one of those into the dust bin and work out a nicer looking layout overall.

It's pretty ugly but it works and for me was all built from stuff in the scrap bin or junk box so didn't cost me anything except some time which being retired I have plenty of. :-)
« Last Edit: November 24, 2020, 06:27 AM by Bob D. »
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Offline papasteve

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2020, 08:34 AM »
Not at all ugly, it's a thing of beauty.  Thanks Bob D.  You have given me some great ideas.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: CT-SYS but bigger
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2020, 01:25 PM »
Not at all ugly, it's a thing of beauty.  Thanks Bob D.  You have given me some great ideas.

I have thought of painting it. I think that would improve the looks a bit over that
ugly spackle bucket.
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