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Offline treesner

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cordless router?
« on: March 29, 2019, 05:32 PM »
anyone know if festool is planning on doing a cordless trim router?

I'd like to get one just not sure I want to switch over my system to makita..

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Offline ear3

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2019, 11:02 AM »
Who knows, but I would doubt it for the near future.  There's no way they would do it with the current, slim form factor of the 700 (unless they were to completely redesign the battery).  That would make the 1010 as the next likely candidate, but there again, the pistol grip/knob design would have to be reconfigured for battery placement.



anyone know if festool is planning on doing a cordless trim router?

I'd like to get one just not sure I want to switch over my system to makita..
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2019, 11:59 AM »
anyone know if festool is planning on doing a cordless trim router?

I'd like to get one just not sure I want to switch over my system to makita..

The cordless Makita 1/4” router is a gem of a tool. I bought one a while back with all the extra bases, and a guide rail adaptor. It gets used so much, we wonder how we managed without it.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2019, 08:05 AM »
A plus for the Makita is it can use most of the accessories for their same size corded router.
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Offline Vondawg

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2019, 08:48 AM »
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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2019, 12:57 AM »
The OFK500 edge router is a given for a battery platform. With the new sander battery style it would ergonomic sense too. I would get one even though I would prefer the regular style batteries.
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Offline VirTERM

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2019, 06:46 AM »
anyone know if festool is planning on doing a cordless trim router?

I'd like to get one just not sure I want to switch over my system to makita..


The cordless Makita 1/4” router is a gem of a tool. I bought one a while back with all the extra bases, and a guide rail adaptor. It gets used so much, we wonder how we managed without it.

Cordless Makita is great, I end up getting a kit plus a rail guide. Dust extraction performs very well, especially with a default base. Just about to start making a jig to make Makita rail guide to work with Festool LR32 track

Offline RKA

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2019, 10:25 AM »
This would be great, but I wouldn't want Festool to release a cordless version of the MFK, not with it's limitations as a small form factor router (granted it has other strengths).  I want the option for a plunge base, longer bits, template routing, etc.  I would want something similar to the routers released by Dewalt and Makita.  I have a low level of confidence Festool would even consider it...unfortunately.

Looking at the other options, I haven't been a fan of the height adjustment on the Makita fixed base.  It's crude (can't easily microadjust it).  So even though I have the corded Makita, I gave the cordless Dewalt a shot.  I do like the height adjustment better and the D base gives me a little more stability which I like.  As soon as I sort out the dust collection connection to the Festool hose (something that's straightforward with the Makita), I'll give it a whirl.  It does sound like it has less power compared to the corded Makita.  Shouldn't matter for edge profiling, but for plowing grooves/dados, it might prove to be slightly underpowered.
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Offline RobBob

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2019, 10:38 AM »
@RKA  Which is underpowered, the Makita or Dewalt?

Offline RKA

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2019, 11:05 AM »
Dewalt. 
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2019, 02:15 PM »
Did you consider making an adapter plate to mount the Makita or DeWalt on the LR32 router guide plate?
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Offline WastedP

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2019, 08:04 PM »
I switched over to the Makita cordless router about a year ago.  I bought one in the morning and was so impressed with the test results that I picked up a second at lunchtime.  It would be a top-notch trim router if it was corded; the cordless ability is icing on the cake.

Offline mino

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2020, 11:42 AM »
+1 for both:

I believe we need:
1) a small edge router
         => a "battery version" of MFK500 with the "ergo" battery and all the same bottom part seems obvious

2) a proper router, equivalent of OFK 1400
         => something that can replace the main "goto" router, should have identical "bottom" as 1400, will need 2x the new 4Ah HP batteries

Reasoning:
I DO NOT WANT a corded tool unless it is technical requirement (e.g. OF2200 et al).

For now, I have stopped myself buying a dedicated edge router - as I do not want another battery platform to manage.

Before my current "festool plunge" I had 4(!) platforms with all the pain with charges etc. No. More.


Reference:
I currently got the NAREX equivalent of OF 1010 (same engine, stronger base, worse ergonomics) which I know will last eternity in my use and can have handles detached for a ghetto edge router :)


But this year I have decided to rebuild my tool stack around the Festool Battery system, so got:
CTM36 AC + BT module
TSC 55, AGC18, DRC 18/4, BHC 18, Cordless Carvex
Plus just got a handy 2nd hand C15 with the small&light 1.5Ah batteries (in place of CXS, to complement the DRC as my go-to drill)

In plan:
Cordless Vecturo
Corded HK 55 (need the low 2000 rpm for steel cutting, and battery ones do not have the low RPM settings..)
A battery sander (for sure ETSC 125, will see about others)

MISSING:
 - Cordless version  of OFK 500
              => really, really do not want to reintroduce a 2nd bat. platform after got rid of them all for 1 (at no small investment ...)
 - this would be a tool of convenience, but an often used one => will buy once is available, but will not invest in the small OFKs otherwise

WILL consider:
 - Cordless small router for the double-row hi-apm batteries which could replace the small Makita line on available accessories


WISH LIST:
 - Cordless version of OF 1400 or equiv.
 - Cordless version of a planner - ideally a HL 650 size but with a one-sided head attachment
              => just snatched one of the last-made NAREX planners (same engine as 850 but a double-side head like on 650)

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Offline WillAdams

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2020, 04:31 PM »
I switched over to the Makita cordless router about a year ago.  I bought one in the morning and was so impressed with the test results that I picked up a second at lunchtime.  It would be a top-notch trim router if it was corded; the cordless ability is icing on the cake.

Uh, isn't it available corded as the Makita RT0701/0700?

Or do you mean with the brushless motor which the battery units have?

Aren't there adapters which take the place of the battery and allow one to use an 18V power supply to drive the units directly?

Offline JimH2

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2020, 09:14 AM »
If I need dust collection then being cordless is of little use to me. The hose is far more bulky than the power cord so I really don't see any advantage if dust collection is involved other than knowing I may need to swap batteries.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2020, 01:50 PM »
If I need dust collection then being cordless is of little use to me. The hose is far more bulky than the power cord so I really don't see any advantage if dust collection is involved other than knowing I may need to swap batteries.

While this is often true, some tools are a bit different.  If you have a dust hose pointing straight up and a cord coming off a router horizontally, then getting rid of the cord makes things work much better.  My current router setup would work much better with a battery powered router as the hose and cord are very hard to manage together as they really are not design to work well in that setup. It's not like most your Festool Tools where they made the 2 come off together.

The new batteries that trigger the CT's to run also make the overall idea work much better. 

Offline martin felder

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2020, 02:50 PM »
If I need dust collection then being cordless is of little use to me. The hose is far more bulky than the power cord so I really don't see any advantage if dust collection is involved other than knowing I may need to swap batteries.

That is how I always thought of routers and sanders and biscuit jointers and the domino.  If I had any of those tools battery powered, I would be tempted to use them without the dust collection and I would not want that temptation.  Moreover, I would have to have battery chargers everywhere with a charged spare on hand.  I could see a battery powered router an attractive option for people who want to do things like a roundover on trim or mortise hinges etc.  I would think those who work on job sites vs in a dedicated shop would have way more interest in battery powered tools.  Just an opinion.  I also think it would be nice for Festool to have those options available for those who want these tools so they can keep things Festool which has some advantages.

Online GoingMyWay

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2020, 04:36 PM »
My cordless Makita router is setup as my dedicated roundover router.  It is nice to be "untethered" with no cord or dust collection hose, but I wasn't crazy about all the dust and shavings that were left behind.  As a result, I just recently bought the Makita dust port accessory so I can have some dust extraction.  I do like having the option of being completely cordless if I just need to make a real quick roundover.
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Offline xedos

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2020, 06:51 PM »
If you're going to buy into another battery platform - I'd suggest this little guy:

https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/palm-routers-gkf12v-25n-196784-p/

It's a gem and punches well above it's weight.   Though not as versatile as the makita or dewalt , I subscribe to the "you can never have enough routers" school.  Which means I have another unit that's more suited for that task and don't really need the versatility.

As far as Festool is concerned; don't hold your breath.  ::)  They have been behind the market on cordless tools from the get go, especially compact / 12v versions. Part of it cultural.  Their leaders didn't gauge the wind correctly decades ago and I suspect they just don't have the resources to devote to catching up.

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2020, 12:00 AM »
Just used my Milwaukee M18 trim router for the first time, and I love it.  It's silky smooth and had plenty of power for what I was doing.  It comes with a dust attachment that works with my Festool dust extractor, and virtually eliminates dust for surface work.  I haven't tried it for edge work yet.  I'm looking forward to taking some of my routing outside this summer and it seems perfect for the job.


I just ordered the Lee Valley clear base plate and trim router fence.  If they work well, I'll consider their small trim router table as well, as it looks mobile enough to cart outside as well.

Offline mino

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2020, 07:14 PM »
If I need dust collection then being cordless is of little use to me. The hose is far more bulky than the power cord so I really don't see any advantage if dust collection is involved other than knowing I may need to swap batteries.
I thought so the same. Actually, exactly the same.
Until I got the TSC along with a CTM. Needed a cordless for the once-a-while outside work.

An then I realized how NICE it is you just worry about the hose and not (also) the (potentially-easy-to-cut) cable.

That was actually what decided it for me. Got rid of all my power tools which are not "workhorses good to keep for hard/dirty work"
and got the Festool set.

I do not want to count the amount of times (and approaches) I wasted strapping the power cable to the hose. I know, the Festool system does make it simpler, but at a cost and is still not universal as you cannot take a CT-ASA "Arm" everywhere. With cordless, you just do not need to worry. (So I saved on my CT-ASA purchase and got a couple more bats instead)

Maybe I am spoiled.
But after having the TSC, a tool needing DC is actually a *more* reason to me to have it cordless. I can survive a cord and can survive a hose. Both is a pain I can live without.

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Offline Euclid

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2020, 04:24 AM »
If you're going to buy into another battery platform - I'd suggest this little guy:

https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/palm-routers-gkf12v-25n-196784-p/

It's a gem and punches well above it's weight.   Though not as versatile as the makita or dewalt , I subscribe to the "you can never have enough routers" school.  Which means I have another unit that's more suited for that task and don't really need the versatility.

I got one of those (chosen, in part, because I already had a few other tools that used the same batteries), I think it works well - although dust collection is non existent.

I've been wondering about making my own base for it from acrylic sheet, to which I might attach the dust catcher from something else for dust collecting from below - though the size and weight of the hose compared to the router would negate some of its compactness and convenience.

Offline notenoughcash

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2020, 09:17 AM »
there is no reason why they coudnt use the sander bateries.

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2020, 06:16 PM »
A plus for the Makita is it can use most of the accessories for their same size corded router.

Yes. I actually bought the corded unit in the full set form first, then added a cordless to the mix. considering getting another.

Offline acer66

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2020, 07:44 PM »
If you're going to buy into another battery platform - I'd suggest this little guy:

https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/palm-routers-gkf12v-25n-196784-p/

It's a gem and punches well above it's weight.   Though not as versatile as the makita or dewalt , I subscribe to the "you can never have enough routers" school.  Which means I have another unit that's more suited for that task and don't really need the versatility.

As far as Festool is concerned; don't hold your breath.  ::)  They have been behind the market on cordless tools from the get go, especially compact / 12v versions. Part of it cultural.  Their leaders didn't gauge the wind correctly decades ago and I suspect they just don't have the resources to devote to catching up.

That little router is great.

Offline JimH2

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2020, 09:54 AM »
Many moons ago I had the Porter Cable cordless set that included drill, hammer drill, small circular saw, reciprocating saw and a router (derivative of the 690). All of the tools worked great and battery life was exceptional, but of course that was back in the day when Porter Cable meant quality. For use with smaller bits or for edge routing it was great, however I would never have attempted dado's.

I have never been enamored with cordless tools other than for drills, however I have waded into the Dewalt 60V FlexVolt series with great success. I have slowly added the table saw, mitre saw, blower, impact wrench, and router. The last (3) are part of the 20V series, but they work with the FlexVolt batteries as do the 100+ other 20V tools. I am more than satisfied for the price. The table saw and mitre saw are exception and the mitre saw has a module to connect it to 120V, but none of the other tools do. My 15 year old Bosch drill for outdoor work is running out of steam and I am considering the $500 chest of tools Home Depot sells that includes (6) cordless tools, (2) batteries, charger and hard case with wheels. I see it as being perfect for when precision is not paramount. The Dewalt stuff is not Festool or Mafell (my favorite), but it does work and does hold up especially exceptionally well considering the price.

Had I not started down the Dewalt path with the blower I would have given serious consideration to the Milwaukee line. I don't think you can go wrong either way.

Offline demographic

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2020, 12:04 PM »
For my usage I'd like a small cordless class M extractor.

I have a CTM26 with bluetooth kit which is handy but on sites with lots of stairs and so on its a faff.
Plus we are all going cordless and nobody wants to buy corded tools for site use nowadays.


Offline rst

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2020, 05:55 PM »
I have the Milwaukee and it's great, that being said I use aton of 18 and 12 v Milwaukee's along with Festool, Fein and Metabo 18 tools.

Offline acer66

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Re: cordless router?
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2020, 08:58 PM »
Just caved in and got the dewalt 20v, will see how that will work out but the price was to tempting.