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Offline StevoWevo

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1010 router
« on: February 23, 2020, 03:00 AM »
I like the router but FT needs a way to make the chip deflector and base plates tool free quick detach attach. Running screws in and out of the casting is just a not a good idea IMHO.

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2020, 09:58 AM »
They did .........................  it's called the 1400.   [big grin]

   Sorry, couldn't resist.  [tongue]

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2020, 12:17 PM »
I like the router but FT needs a way to make the chip deflector and base plates tool free quick detach attach. Running screws in and out of the casting is just a not a good idea IMHO.

Fair point, but at least it allows for a template insert to be centered, unlike the 1400.

Bob

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2020, 08:01 PM »
They did .........................  it's called the 1400.   [big grin]

   Sorry, couldn't resist.  [tongue]

Seth

Grrrrrr. That’s another $600+++++ 😂

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2020, 07:49 PM »
I agree! I think it’sa shame that festool being a relatively small company seems to mean barely any updated products. An LED would also be cool as has been mentioned before. But it took festool long enough to add an LED to the £450 t18 drill, despite it being a very standard feature on the competition. . . Then they put it where I’m pretty sure the index finger was designed to go (try it, and consider Festool’s belief in c-drills, that everyone hold’s ‘incorrectly’)
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2020, 10:19 PM »
Running screws in and out of the casting is just a not a good idea IMHO.

You're right... [smile]  It's always amazed me why Festool seems incapable of incrementally improving the quality of their products. It seems like once the product is released, the product needs to soldier on for years and years before any improvements are made. Ya, they're a small manufacturer and ya they may change the type of Systainer the product is delivered in but the product itself goes into a state of dormancy and the product with its flaws produced in 2005 is the same product produced in 2020 with the very same flaws. Why is that?

I own both Norton & Bultaco motorcycles manufactured circa 1970's. They all have aluminum castings and most (British & Spanish to put things into perspective) of the tapped holes have factory Helicoil inserts...these things were invented in the 50's so why not adapt them to a fragile aluminum casting manufactured in the 90's?

Having designed equipment for over 40 years, Festool could easily approach Helicoil and request an RFQ for 20,000+ Helicoils that would fit the 1010 router. A price would be agreed upon and then Festool would need to establish the manufacturing costs to implement the improvement. Once into production, I'll guarantee the cost to Festool will be less than $2 per router. This really is a no-brainer.

Interestingly enough...the DF 500 has Helicoil inserts in the base so this is not an unknown/foreign technology for Festool.
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Offline xedos

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2020, 07:01 PM »
Festool only seems to make 'cough' improvements  only when they are seemingly forced to.

TS55 safety issues
Kapex motor
Vecturo plug-it going away
The New Impact

To be fair, the bluetooth on the CTs was clever and the 2nd spine on the guide rails was an improvement.


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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2020, 07:35 PM »
Festool only seems to make 'cough' improvements  only when they are seemingly forced to.

TS55 safety issues
Kapex motor
Vecturo plug-it going away
The New Impact

To be fair, the bluetooth on the CTs was clever and the 2nd spine on the guide rails was an improvement.

German brands usually are slow, very slow. They also believe that when first designed a product they have done it impeccably. And they often do, but aftermarket isn’t something they are hugely aware of. Therefore their biggest limitations are the ignorance of consumer feedback. I’m actually surprised that they can hold their market when there’s seemingly a large amount of resourceful competitors out there. Their strength lies in focusing on user features and user friendliness, along with some ingenuity and usually high quality.
Combine that with what Festool hopefully continues - make their tools a part of a system.
I guess FT’s drive towards a small segment of the market makes them less exposed for competitors interest - “Let FT do what they do, and we’ll handle the rest” - “Altough we’re watching” [wink]
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2020, 11:33 PM »
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Combine that with what Festool hopefully continues - make their tools a part of a system.

Increasingly they aren't doing a very good job of this.  At least from an end user standpoint. 

Their "system" is more in name these days.  There are two 12v battery "systems"  Some tools don't have plug-it. Some don't have or never got the clean-tec fitting.  The new systainer "system" really isn't all that compatible with the the current one either. 

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I guess FT’s drive towards a small segment of the market makes them less exposed for competitors interest - “Let FT do what they do, and we’ll handle the rest”

And what segment would that be ?  Seems to me they have competition all around.  The big players have everything except an edgebander as far as I can see.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2020, 05:50 PM »
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Combine that with what Festool hopefully continues - make their tools a part of a system.

Increasingly they aren't doing a very good job of this.  At least from an end user standpoint. 

Their "system" is more in name these days.  There are two 12v battery "systems"  Some tools don't have plug-it. Some don't have or never got the clean-tec fitting.  The new systainer "system" really isn't all that compatible with the the current one either. 

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I guess FT’s drive towards a small segment of the market makes them less exposed for competitors interest - “Let FT do what they do, and we’ll handle the rest”

And what segment would that be ?  Seems to me they have competition all around.  The big players have everything except an edgebander as far as I can see.

Naah, they haven’t really thought enough of their battery/fit strategy, seems odd.
I know some of their tools demands higher current than what the PlugIt connector allows.  So they will be equipped with fixed wire. (Ie: OF2200)

I think their “finesse” within portability is what their narrow segment is. Features competitors doesn’t really have. Their CS pull saws (I spoken to many professionals that has either a CS 50 or CS 70 as permanent standard tool in their vans, and they wouldn’t part or be without them) HK saws, routers with their useful accessories (for those who see the benefit), drills who are favoured by electricians and fitters. Dust collectors are of course a strength of FT.

It will be interesting to see how many of those who work on sites who will buy the TKS 80 saw.. it is big compared to CS 70, with only 10mm more capacity, and a hefty weight of nearly 40kg. To shift this saw in and out of their vans, parting their CS 50/70? The Saw Stop is the only new feature of this saw, with largely added bulk, weight and more importantly missing the pull saw feature.
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2020, 06:07 PM »
No plug-it connector for the RAS 115.  Seems like an easy fix?
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2020, 06:37 AM »
You're right... [smile]  It's always amazed me why Festool seems incapable of incrementally improving the quality of their products. It seems like once the product is released, the product needs to soldier on for years and years before any improvements are made.

I wouldn’t say “incapable”, as there have been numerous changes to the TS 55. Some have been major and promoted by Festool, such as the flat cover plate, but others have been smaller but still impactful like the fine adjust depth stop, split depth scale for use on and off the guide rail, 45 degree bevel stop with bypass, adjustable 0 degree bevel stop with bypass, improved wear strips/slop adjusting cams, and dust port to name the some off the top of my head.

No plug-it connector for the RAS 115.  Seems like an easy fix?
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Offline Coen

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2020, 08:04 AM »
Yeah, they might upgrade the 1010 somewhat. But if you exchange stuff on the bottom that often; get the 1400. But then find out the 1400 is too big for edgerouting and get an MFK 700 too  [tongue]

Festool only seems to make 'cough' improvements  only when they are seemingly forced to.

TS55 safety issues

Huh?

Kapex motor

Only in 110v land.

Vecturo plug-it going away

Yeah, that was a shame.

The New Impact

? Seem they lived fine for years without an impact.

To be fair, the bluetooth on the CTs was clever and the 2nd spine on the guide rails was an improvement.

The guide rail improvement was 2004? Very nice upgrade indeed.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2020, 03:27 PM »
The Plug it on the Vecturo seems backward? It was there, then removed?

Chris Wong, that is more of an "adapt by customer" then an improvement by the manufacturer. I do like your the idea, but I haven't been able to source the plug though. I've seen it on the UK website, but that doesn't help in the US
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2020, 06:00 PM »
I put a wee drop of thin oil on screws I am driving into castings. Never had an issue.
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Offline mino

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2021, 09:40 PM »
On topic:

It would be nice if the next generation of a small router would support BOTH a quick-change approach the OF1400+ does AND an option for screw-on/center-able base attachments.
Not sure there is a way to do this, but losing the precision capability of the screw-on system will likely remove Festool from contention from many precision-focused buyers. I do not see Festool abandoning this market - its core market - so either a "can do both" solution will be needed or we will need to live with the small router being a "precision tool" at the cost of flexibility.

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You're right... [smile]  It's always amazed me why Festool seems incapable of incrementally improving the quality of their products

Incremental tool improvements are (economically) antithetical to a tool longevity and especially the long-term tool spares availability.
You can have either or.

There are a plenty of companies our there which do incremental tool improvements and whose support/spare parts availability (and/or cost) is aligned to that. It make no sense for Festool to compete in that market.

Many may see it other way, but this long-term support is a big retainer and value adder for Festool. Heavily restricting the quantity of produced models is the only way it can be (economically) sustained.
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2021, 07:58 PM »
For me, the "added value" of bringing more of the accessories to the NA market. I'm still baffled by not selling products that  people want? The products exist, they have a distribution network and a willing audience.
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2021, 12:59 AM »
Some beancounter somewhere will say that creating one more SKU will cost $1000 per year and it not justifies the cost.

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2021, 07:06 AM »
Some beancounter somewhere will say that creating one more SKU will cost $1000 per year and it not justifies the cost.

You’re right or probably closer than you think. I’ve heard that FT is now are run more on “stars and cash cows” than having the edge on handling, features and innovation. To have an edge, you need “dogs”, “question marks” AND stars and cash cows, for such niche brand as Festool.
Festool is not extremely good at marketing, but still, better than the Japanese.
I like the non-shouting branding of Festool - but they have a job to do demonstrating their product portfolio’s compatibility - and accessories..
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2021, 07:36 AM »
I like the router but FT needs a way to make the chip deflector and base plates tool free quick detach attach. Running screws in and out of the casting is just a not a good idea IMHO.

Fair point, but at least it allows for a template insert to be centered, unlike the 1400.

Bob

Bob is absolutely right. I do a fair amount of template work where the guide bush needs to be centred to the cutter and screws are essential. The OF1400 does not have this luxury which is a pity.

Peter

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2021, 05:26 PM »
I guess it is hard to please everyone but over the years i have often heard people that loved certain products and then the manufacturer made changes on those products to try to improve them and the users would say "why did they do that, i loved that product just the way it was". Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I see reviews of people eyeing more powerful and cheaper knock offs of the CSX drivers and when they get them they don't feel the same, are too heavy and don't stand up as nice. So if you bought a CSX ten years ago and just love it and someone steals it you know you can buy a new one and it will be pretty much the same except a battery that lasts a little longer 😃
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2021, 05:40 PM »
I like the router but FT needs a way to make the chip deflector and base plates tool free quick detach attach. Running screws in and out of the casting is just a not a good idea IMHO.

Fair point, but at least it allows for a template insert to be centered, unlike the 1400.

Bob

Bob is absolutely right. I do a fair amount of template work where the guide bush needs to be centred to the cutter and screws are essential. The OF1400 does not have this luxury which is a pity.

Peter

Peter can i ask a question? Does one need the 1400 to do the template work that you do?  I was thinking of purchasing the 1010 because of its light weight and versatility. I already have a 3 1/4 router in a table and a small trimmer for round overs and such but don't own a plunge router.
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2021, 07:25 PM »
I'm not Peter, but I'll take a stab at this. I've had a OF-1000 for 18ish years. I've had a OF-1400 for just over a year. I love them both, but if someone came to the door and said I had to give one up, I wouldn't blink before handing over the OF-1400. A very large proportion of the time I need a hand-held router, it has to have a guide bushing attached. The OF-1400 guide bushing moves, the OF-1000 guide bushing does not. For me, accuracy trumps extra power. I can take smaller cuts, I can't make the OF-1400 guide bushing stop moving.

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2021, 08:14 PM »
I'm not Peter, but I'll take a stab at this. I've had a OF-1000 for 18ish years. I've had a OF-1400 for just over a year. I love them both, but if someone came to the door and said I had to give one up, I wouldn't blink before handing over the OF-1400. A very large proportion of the time I need a hand-held router, it has to have a guide bushing attached. The OF-1400 guide bushing moves, the OF-1000 guide bushing does not. For me, accuracy trumps extra power. I can take smaller cuts, I can't make the OF-1400 guide bushing stop moving.

Thanks for that reply. Your take on it is the way i was thinking but not having owned either of these routers i could only assume. I don't do a lot of router work but have a track saw and intend to buy Peters Parf Guide to make an MFT table. I have a pocket hole jig and just thought that i might like a "go to" router with dust collection to compliment the system. I have wood worked for over 50 years and have all of the dusty power tools but after discovering the track saw and seeing all of its advantages especially on an MFT top i'm sold. I have a Mirka sander too and all of these dust free setups are great and a real game changer for me.
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2021, 02:51 AM »
I'm not Peter, but I'll take a stab at this. I've had a OF-1000 for 18ish years. I've had a OF-1400 for just over a year. I love them both, but if someone came to the door and said I had to give one up, I wouldn't blink before handing over the OF-1400. A very large proportion of the time I need a hand-held router, it has to have a guide bushing attached. The OF-1400 guide bushing moves, the OF-1000 guide bushing does not. For me, accuracy trumps extra power. I can take smaller cuts, I can't make the OF-1400 guide bushing stop moving.

Thanks for that reply. Your take on it is the way i was thinking but not having owned either of these routers i could only assume. I don't do a lot of router work but have a track saw and intend to buy Peters Parf Guide to make an MFT table. I have a pocket hole jig and just thought that i might like a "go to" router with dust collection to compliment the system. I have wood worked for over 50 years and have all of the dusty power tools but after discovering the track saw and seeing all of its advantages especially on an MFT top i'm sold. I have a Mirka sander too and all of these dust free setups are great and a real game changer for me.

@hoe and @jeffinsgf

Yes, I agree that the OF1010 is the one to use for accurate jig work. I keep my OF1400 in the router table where it does a great job and can take any size cutter.

The OF1010 can have a guide bush centered with a mandrel (Festool sell these) and the template work is amazingly accurate.

Cheers.

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2021, 06:24 AM »
My only complaint with the 1010 is every time I want to use it, the bit I want to use in it only comes in 1/2" shank. For now it's been my LR-32 router however I'll probably pick up the angle arm attachments for routing hardwood edging flush to some plywood shelves.
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2021, 07:07 AM »

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@hoe and @jeffinsgf

Yes, I agree that the OF1010 is the one to use for accurate jig work. I keep my OF1400 in the router table where it does a great job and can take any size cutter.

The OF1010 can have a guide bush centered with a mandrel (Festool sell these) and the template work is amazingly accurate.

Cheers.

Peter
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Thanks Peter for the input. I am waiting patiently for Lee Valley to get your guide back in stock so i can buy one and make my MFT top.

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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2021, 10:17 AM »
I have a question regarding this for what I assume is most of you....Right-handed users.
I have had the parts for my OF1010 to use it as an edge trimmer, but never needed to use them because I have a MFK700. However, a few days ago, I needed to cut deeper than the MFK700 could reach. I set up the OF1010 with a longer bit and it worked flawlessly. My question is simple
 "How in the world would a right handed person do this?"
Because of the rotation of the bit, to make a conventional cut (rather than climb cut), you have to move from the right to the left across the edge. I do this with my right hand on the knob of the guide plate, supporting/triggering the router with my left, walking behind the router as it moves. This seems perfectly natural. I would think that this would be awkward for a right-handed person?
Is it? Or would you do something differently?
Come to think of it, I do the same with the MFK700? Right hand on the base plate knob and left on the machine, following the cut.
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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2021, 02:16 PM »
I have a question regarding this for what I assume is most of you....Right-handed users.
I have had the parts for my OF1010 to use it as an edge trimmer, but never needed to use them because I have a MFK700. However, a few days ago, I needed to cut deeper than the MFK700 could reach. I set up the OF1010 with a longer bit and it worked flawlessly. My question is simple
 "How in the world would a right handed person do this?"
Because of the rotation of the bit, to make a conventional cut (rather than climb cut), you have to move from the right to the left across the edge. I do this with my right hand on the knob of the guide plate, supporting/triggering the router with my left, walking behind the router as it moves. This seems perfectly natural. I would think that this would be awkward for a right-handed person?
Is it? Or would you do something differently?
Come to think of it, I do the same with the MFK700? Right hand on the base plate knob and left on the machine, following the cut.

It seemed easy enough when I made this video - the viewer needs to skip towards the end of the video:



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Re: 1010 router
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2021, 09:07 AM »

The 1010 has a colossal design flaw = the fact that the power cable, handle and dust extraction hose all exit the machine at 90 degrees to the plane of the parallel fence. So - when attempting a job as basic as routing hinge rebates on the jambs of an in-situ door frame, you can't get the machine anywhere near the top of the frame before the aforementioned parts all hit the head rail. And reversing the position of the fence to rout from the other edge of the frame? Same problem - but everything just hits the floor instead. And what's with the ludicrous oval dust port? Terrible, flimsy, overpriced product.