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Offline bwehman

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Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« on: May 19, 2019, 11:05 AM »
Personally, I find those things way too loud to use without hearing protection, which is a pain to have around when simply screwing fasteners. I've never run into a fastener that the PDC 18 can't drive, so why the desire for an impact? Just curious if I'm missing something glaringly obvious.

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Offline Alex

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2019, 01:28 PM »
I don't have an impact driver but I could seriously use one. Loud? Sure, but I constantly use hearing protection anyway with all my other tools, so this one would be no different.

An impact driver's main benefit is the way the force of the motor is transmitted to the screw, it is done with lots of small, but powerful impacts. Because there is a minute interval between each impact, the strain on your arm is very small but it still gives a lot of torque to the screw, more than is possible with a normal drill. So not only can you drive bigger screws, but it is more ergonomical also.

A normal drill on the other hands, exerts a constant force on the screw. And with the physics law of action = reaction, that means the force the screw gets, your hand also gets. So doing a lot of heavy screwing can get very tiring for you, but, sometimes it can even be quite painful. It doesn't happen often, but if a large screw binds, the drill can really hurt you by hitting or twisting your hand forcefully. Not so with an impact driver.

Now if you mainly use small screws up to 5 cm / 2'' long, you won't notice the difference so much, but you really do with the bigger ones.

Offline Vondawg

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2019, 02:05 PM »
Very well stated !  and yes 2” and  longer it’s practically a must have
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Offline SouthRider

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2019, 02:33 PM »
I for one would like an impact with Festool quality batteries, as opposed to the pitiful batteries you get from Makita, etc. Love my Makita and DeWalt impacts to use, but not to keep buying batteries for.
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Offline Slowlearner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2019, 02:52 PM »
We want one so bad bc they dont make one lol

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2019, 03:03 PM »
Its an obvious hole in the Festool lineup that means a lot of users go to another manufacturer. Marketing fail for a relatively easy to make tool. It doesn't have to be a world beater, just has to rattle screws and smallish bolts in.

I managed for years without an impact screwdriver and yes they are loud but so are the saws and an SDS drill isnt quiet either, I just wear earplugs a lot at work anyway. If you work in a workshop using a tablesaw you should be wearing ear protection also.
I bought my first rattle gun and thought I would hardly use it. Nowadays its out of the van far more than my drill.

I've heard so many carpenters say they hated rattle guns, then they use one for a few days and after that they fast change their ideas.

Dunno about anyone else but I don't just buy tools to impress people, they better make me money and rattle guns are a staple in our industry now. Not making one lets another manufacturer get a foothold with otherwise loyal buyers. Fail.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2019, 04:05 PM »
I am lucky enough to own the Festool TI 15 model impact driver and a big SDS impact driver. I don’t find either really loud but I do find them great for driving lag screws and drilling concrete. I only use the TI 15 in its impact driver mode as I have a slew of other drills. I’m puzzled as to why Festool stopped selling the TI line.
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Offline pixelated

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2019, 04:11 PM »
It may be worthwhile to note that impact drivers and SDS Rotary hammers are quite different beasts.
Both use a striking mechanism, but in impact drivers the impact motion is rotational, with rotary hammers it's inline with the bit or tool. They are not interchangeable.


Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2019, 04:44 PM »
Couldn’t be without our impact drivers, we use them constantly, from timber screws to brick and concrete fixings.
We also have a few oil impulse versions, for when we need to keep things quieter. They don’t have the power or torque of the traditional type though.

None of ours are Festool though but, we wouldn’t swap them for Festool or any other brand.

Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2019, 05:03 PM »
I have a little 12V Bosch impact screw driver that I use all the time, unless it's very finicky work. It's way faster, more powerful and easier on the wrist. I picked it up cheap second hand because I thought it would be handy to have in a pinch (I already had a 12V Flexiclick driver), I end up using it for most of my screwdriving jobs.

The noise doesn't bother me in the least, it's not nearly as loud as my chop saw, router, multimaster or tracksaw, and generally much shorter in duration.

Of course it doesn't tell the complete story, but to break it down in numbers;
A Festool T18 has a maximum torque of 50nm and a maximum speed of 1500RPM.
My cheap 12V Bosch has 105nm and 2600RPM.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2019, 05:09 PM by Sanderxpander »

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2019, 05:26 PM »
I would hate to go back to the days of turning screws in by hand, especially when mounting cabinets.  The impact driver makes things so much easier to be productive.  Like Birdhunter, I have the TI 15 and love it.  Must say, it really annoys me to see professionals that should know better over-drive screws with impact drivers, and in doing so, weaken the connection being created.   [sad]
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Offline rst

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2019, 05:30 PM »
I love my Festool drivers, CSX,C-18 and PDC.  I also run Milwaukee 12 and 18v tools.  The Milwaukee 18v Surge hydraulic impact driver is fantastic, quiet and adjustable power. 

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2019, 05:41 PM »
I would hate to go back to the days of turning screws in by hand, especially when mounting cabinets.  The impact driver makes things so much easier to be productive.  Like Birdhunter, I have the TI 15 and love it.  Must say, it really annoys me to see professionals that should know better over-drive screws with impact drivers, and in doing so, weaken the connection being created.   [sad]

You’re right about some over torquing screws, our impact drivers have various speed and torque settings to combat this happening.
We also have a few impact drivers that the impact facility can be switched off.
Sure beats the old days with a pump screwdriver!  [big grin] ;)

Offline rst

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2019, 08:43 AM »
As someone that primarily installs steel and aluminum entrances and used to have to repair in floor door closers, I am especially fond of impact drivers.  Those old whack a mole drivers were pretty worthless.  I very seldom have to drill out screws that have been in for 40+ years thanks to my Milwaukee impactors.

Offline elfick

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2019, 12:13 PM »
I’m puzzled as to why Festool stopped selling the TI line.
I suspect it's the same reason you no longer see the C12 or C/T15 on their site. They likely wanted to focus on 18v. I'm just surprised they didn't offer an 18v version when they discontinued the 15v. I'd guess it had to be because of slow sales on the 15v version.

Offline Alex

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2019, 01:51 PM »
There wasn't a Ti Line, it was just one tool, they wanted to foray into new territory, but they experimented a bit too much and overstepped themselves.

As a driver it was just too weak compared to the standards everybody was used to. And the hybrid thingy to deactivate the impact and turn it into a normal drill was just a dumb idea, as it made the driver heavy and unbalanced.

So the Ti15 was not that good at what it was supposed to do, and it could do something, not good either, which nobody needed it to do anyway.

Fail.

Should have just concentrated on bringing one darn good and powerful impact driver to market. Hope they got the message for their new one.

Offline Paul G

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2019, 02:38 PM »
I love my Festool drivers, CSX,C-18 and PDC.  I also run Milwaukee 12 and 18v tools.  The Milwaukee 18v Surge hydraulic impact driver is fantastic, quiet and adjustable power.

That surge unit sounds interesting
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Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2019, 02:46 PM »
It's easy to overtorque with an impact if you're used to relying on a clutch. But if you don't mind riding the trigger it's really easy to get the right depth as the driving speed is more constant than with a regular drill which somewhat relies on momentum.

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2019, 04:48 PM »
It's easy to overtorque with an impact if you're used to relying on a clutch. But if you don't mind riding the trigger it's really easy to get the right depth as the driving speed is more constant than with a regular drill which somewhat relies on momentum.

Yeah, can't say I bother with any of the clutches or torque settings on drill drivers but with a little finesse it's not really needed when setting screws.
Some people are just plain numb and will over set any screw they get near but its not that hard to just go easy on small screws or when the head is just about to seat.

One thing about rattle guns is they dont cam out of a screw recess as much as the constant revs of a drill driver so are less prone ro destroying screw heads.

Offline Paul G

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2019, 07:58 PM »
Yeah, can't say I bother with any of the clutches or torque settings on drill drivers but with a little finesse it's not really needed when setting screws....

One task I really like using the screw clutch setting on my driver is with pocket screws and plywood. Too much force has made a mess of things and it happens quick.
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Offline greg mann

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2019, 08:21 PM »
Yeah, can't say I bother with any of the clutches or torque settings on drill drivers but with a little finesse it's not really needed when setting screws....

One task I really like using the screw clutch setting on my driver is with pocket screws and plywood. Too much force has made a mess of things and it happens quick.

Agree. Those square shoulder screws don’t give you much warning and once they are in the pocket you can’t see ‘em.  [doh]
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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2019, 09:19 PM »
One task I really like using the screw clutch setting on my driver is with pocket screws and plywood. Too much force has made a mess of things and it happens quick.

Ahh, I can't say I ever use pocket screws but understand what you mean.
For one reason or another they seem to be used far more in the States than in the UK.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2019, 02:45 AM »
I think when you’re using these tools day in and day out, you get the feel for the torque.
When we are fixing delicate material with brick or concrete screws, we finish the final torquing one impact at a time until the head is seated nicely and firmly into the countersunk recess.
Our impacts have lots of settings, various torque, various speed, impacts etc. There’s a helper mode, and one where a self tapping screw is started fast to drill the surface, then slowed down to whatever pre set to finish fastening the fixing.
I don’t always use the settings, simply because in many applications I don’t need too.
I also have a few 4 function cordless drills, these have a drill function, speed drill function, impact and hammer, and are very versatile, and I’d imagine for somebody who is doing maintenance, or just needs a handy drill in the workshop, these would be a godsend.
What many do not realise is, although an impact driver is efficient at putting screws in, an equivalent non impact driver will usually have more torque, and can really cause your wrist some problems if a clutch isn’t set right.
I love impact drivers in all their guises, they are almost certainly one of our most used tools for every day jobs.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2019, 04:14 AM »
"...There’s a helper mode, and one where a self tapping screw is started fast to drill the surface, then slowed down to whatever pre set to finish fastening the fixing..."

Who makes this? I have never heard of a drill/driver with this capability but am interested in knowing more.
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2019, 04:21 AM »
Hi Bob, Makita, in the UK the models are DTD 170 and DTD 171.
Great tool and something Makita excels in. IIRC, Makita invented/developed the first cordless drill/drivers. In my opinion they make the best drill/driver/impacts, just as Fein make the best multi tool.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2019, 04:24 AM »
Just to add, I think the “helper mode” is referred to as “assist mode” I’ve just been told by my son.

Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2019, 06:21 AM »
Your son seems incredibly smart for his age.

Offline elfick

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2019, 10:36 AM »
"...There’s a helper mode, and one where a self tapping screw is started fast to drill the surface, then slowed down to whatever pre set to finish fastening the fixing..."

Who makes this? I have never heard of a drill/driver with this capability but am interested in knowing more.
@Bob D. IIRC, the Milwaukee Surge also has this.

Offline Alex

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2019, 12:22 PM »
There’s a helper mode, and one where a self tapping screw is started fast to drill the surface, then slowed down to whatever pre set to finish fastening the fixing.

What does that do, the helper mode?

I also have a few 4 function cordless drills, these have a drill function, speed drill function, impact and hammer, and are very versatile, and I’d imagine for somebody who is doing maintenance, or just needs a handy drill in the workshop, these would be a godsend.

Can you please name the make and model of those 4 function drills you mention? I am curious now, never heard of such a thing before.

Thanks in advance.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2019, 03:29 PM »
Your son seems incredibly smart for his age.

He is 31  [big grin] ;)

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2019, 03:51 PM »
@Alex Hi Alex, the help or assist mode, basically stops screws stripping or cross threading.
This is how Makita explain it.

New impact mode (A-mode): helps to eliminate "screw cam-out" and "cross threading“ by driving at low speed until the start of tightening
T-mode: Tightening mode for self-drilling screw
Electronic 4-stage impact power selection.
Brushless motor Electric brake
Variable speed control by trigger Forward / reverse rotation
LED job light
Compact overall length of 117mm

The four function mode drills I have are the Makita DTP141, I have had mine a few years, they used to do a non brushless version which I think was the DTP140. I was about to buy some when I’d heard a brushless model was available and bought the brushless instead.
Apparently, they have only just become available in some countries but I think those may be non European countries. I’d imagine they are available in Holland though.
Very handy tool in my opinion.

This is the spec on them:

Easier mode selection and higher durability of the selection mechanism obtained by changing the selection mechanism from lever to change ring style
Single LED job light with pre-glow/afterglow functions
Battery fuel gauge
Ergonomically designed handle with rubberised soft grip fits your hand perfectly to provide maximum control and comfort.
More compact and lightweight design achieved by using BLDC motor and electronic clutch mechanism. Compared to model BTP140: • 14mm shorter in overall length. • 4mm smaller in motor housing diameter. • 0.1kg lighter in weight.
4 Operation modes for Ultimate Versatility. • Impact driver. • Percussion drill. • Drill (2 Speed). • Screwdriver able to drive Teks screw.
Electronic Clutch Mechanism: • Features expanded Clutch torque range 1.5-8.0Nm for wide range of applications. • Adjusts rotational speed preset torque in order to prevent over tightening. • Able to drive Teks screw at 1900rpm in high speed mode.





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Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2019, 04:04 PM »
Your son seems incredibly smart for his age.


He is 31  [big grin] ;)
He photographs incredibly well then!

All kidding aside, your grandchild looks super cute. I have a 2,5 year old son myself.


As for the Makita, that's very interesting, I wasn't aware of a machine like that and have often wondered why there wasn't one. The only annoying part, except for it being a little expensive, is that it only has a hexagonal bit holder. I guess that makes sense for the impact driver part but all but a few of my drill bits (and the ones you see in shops everywhere) are round, not hexagonal. Do you just buy everything with a hex mount then?
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2019, 04:20 PM »
Your son seems incredibly smart for his age.


He is 31  [big grin] ;)
He photographs incredibly well then!

All kidding aside, your grandchild looks super cute. I have a 2,5 year old son myself.

That's lovely, cherish every moment, time goes fast and they grow quickly.
Yes the little guy in my avatar is one of my grandsons, he's a real cutie. I have four of children, all grown up now, 11 grandchildren, and I'm about to become a great grandpa at 60!  [scared] I love them dearly, and can give them back to their parents when the noise starts haha!
All the best to you and your family  [thumbs up]

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2019, 03:54 AM »
Your son seems incredibly smart for his age.


He is 31  [big grin] ;)
He photographs incredibly well then!

All kidding aside, your grandchild looks super cute. I have a 2,5 year old son myself.


As for the Makita, that's very interesting, I wasn't aware of a machine like that and have often wondered why there wasn't one. The only annoying part, except for it being a little expensive, is that it only has a hexagonal bit holder. I guess that makes sense for the impact driver part but all but a few of my drill bits (and the ones you see in shops everywhere) are round, not hexagonal. Do you just buy everything with a hex mount then?

That’s a good point about the hex fitting, with our impact drivers, they are only used for screw fixing and removing, so the hex is fine. With the four mode drills, we often use them for normal drilling as they have a fast speed option. So we have a few hex fitting drill bits etc but, more conveniently, we have keyless chucks that have a hex fitting. So we can use any bits we want up to a certain size.
The only drawback with adding the chucks is, it extends the overall length. Not normally a problem for us though.

Although we have a lot of drills in various types, the four mode is probably the most versatile in it’s class.
And the DTS170 and 171 impact driver are probably the best I’ve ever used, and I’ve used a few.

Offline mrB

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2019, 02:05 PM »
I'm not at all desperate for an impact driver, I hate their loud noise. But if a festool one had been available over the last 3 years I would definitely have bought it, as some projects would have been easier with one.

I'm only in the Festool 18v battery platform, and as much as I respect Makita, I never could quite justify the £200+ it would take to buy an impact, batteries and charger, to then have a tool that needs it's own batteries and charger every time I take it!

I like the fact that my T18 SYS1 goes on every job, and that has a charger and two batteries in it. .  so the BHC (or theoretical impact driver) can just be thrown in another tool box on it's own. Having a whole new tool box with batteries and charger just for an impact driver. . . well I never bought one.
Assuming this festool impact finally arrives, and it's 'bare' price is similar to the T18/C18/PDC then I'll pick one up the next time I have a decent paying project that could do with one.

I disagree with the sentiments that an impact driver can do things a drill can not do. They're easier sure, but I can drive any screw faster with a drill than with an impact. But be careful, decades of doing this has given me some muscular problems in my forearms  [tongue]

there's nothing like the right tool for the job

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2019, 02:45 PM »
Nah, sorry. A BHC isn't an impact driver. Its just not.

Its a drill that does masonry, the impacts go in the other direction than an impact drivers.


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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2019, 03:03 PM »
Nah, sorry. A BHC isn't an impact driver. Its just not.

Its a drill that does masonry, the impacts go in the other direction than an impact drivers.

Was that for me? I think you miss-read or miss-interpreted what I said.
If you're suggesting I think my BHC is for hammer drilling screws into wood, then I'm almost offended.

And it's not the other direction (that's reverse) it's another plane of movement. [tongue]
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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2019, 04:33 PM »
Nah, sorry. A BHC isn't an impact driver. Its just not.

Its a drill that does masonry, the impacts go in the other direction than an impact drivers.

Was that for me? I think you miss-read or miss-interpreted what I said.
If you're suggesting I think my BHC is for hammer drilling screws into wood, then I'm almost offended.

And it's not the other direction (that's reverse) it's another plane of movement. [tongue]

Aye, sorry about that, I saw the part where you said theoretical impact driver and mentioned the BHC and thought you were thinking they were interchangable.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2019, 05:32 PM »
I'm not at all desperate for an impact driver, I hate their loud noise. But if a festool one had been available over the last 3 years I would definitely have bought it, as some projects would have been easier with one.

I'm only in the Festool 18v battery platform, and as much as I respect Makita, I never could quite justify the £200+ it would take to buy an impact, batteries and charger, to then have a tool that needs it's own batteries and charger every time I take it!

I like the fact that my T18 SYS1 goes on every job, and that has a charger and two batteries in it. .  so the BHC (or theoretical impact driver) can just be thrown in another tool box on it's own. Having a whole new tool box with batteries and charger just for an impact driver. . . well I never bought one.
Assuming this festool impact finally arrives, and it's 'bare' price is similar to the T18/C18/PDC then I'll pick one up the next time I have a decent paying project that could do with one.

I disagree with the sentiments that an impact driver can do things a drill can not do. They're easier sure, but I can drive any screw faster with a drill than with an impact. But be careful, decades of doing this has given me some muscular problems in my forearms  [tongue]

An impact driver can do what a drill can’t though, impact! And that can make a noticeable difference when fixing all day, especially with brick and concrete.

Offline Paul G

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2019, 07:53 PM »
An impact driver can do what a drill can’t though, impact! And that can make a noticeable difference when fixing all day, especially with brick and concrete.

On a few occasions out of necessity/desperation I have switched my M18 drill/driver to hammer mode to drive a stubborn lag and it worked surprisingly well. I know not ideal but sometimes just gotta make things work.
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2019, 02:31 AM »
@Paul G Yes I get that, sometimes we have to get around a situation the best we can but, nowadays the tools are much better designed and often for specific purposes.
When I first started out, I had a set of chisels from college, a hammer, a pump screwdriver, a Diston hand saw from my grandfather, a couple of planes, a few hand tools and a cheap electric drill and somehow got the work done.

I simply couldn’t function like that now, given the type of work we do. We have various machinery, and a lot of power tools, and I do me a lot. One of my sons and other people that work for me, take it for granted, as that’s what they’ve grown up with. I don’t though, as I remember the good old days, and in honesty, they weren't so good most of the time from a work point of view  [big grin]

So for me, impact drivers? It’s a big “yes please” and As long as it’s a decent offering with good performance and durability, I don’t mind what manufacturer it comes from  [thumbs up]

Offline mrB

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2019, 04:48 AM »
I'm not at all desperate for an impact driver, I hate their loud noise. But if a festool one had been available over the last 3 years I would definitely have bought it, as some projects would have been easier with one.

I'm only in the Festool 18v battery platform, and as much as I respect Makita, I never could quite justify the £200+ it would take to buy an impact, batteries and charger, to then have a tool that needs it's own batteries and charger every time I take it!

I like the fact that my T18 SYS1 goes on every job, and that has a charger and two batteries in it. .  so the BHC (or theoretical impact driver) can just be thrown in another tool box on it's own. Having a whole new tool box with batteries and charger just for an impact driver. . . well I never bought one.
Assuming this festool impact finally arrives, and it's 'bare' price is similar to the T18/C18/PDC then I'll pick one up the next time I have a decent paying project that could do with one.

I disagree with the sentiments that an impact driver can do things a drill can not do. They're easier sure, but I can drive any screw faster with a drill than with an impact. But be careful, decades of doing this has given me some muscular problems in my forearms  [tongue]

An impact driver can do what a drill can’t though, impact! And that can make a noticeable difference when fixing all day, especially with brick and concrete.

Totally - impacts are so much easier to use for big fixings. Never gonna dispute that just that, they're not as essential as some make out..
But if all you're doing is driving big screws all day... Well that's exactly the times I've considered buying an impact
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Doug S

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2019, 04:53 AM »

When I first started out, I had a set of chisels from college, a hammer, a pump screwdriver, a Diston hand saw from my grandfather, a couple of planes, a few hand tools and a cheap electric drill and somehow got the work done.


Lol, I remember those days, imagine some of the youths of today trying to work on site without a mitre saw, track saw or any cordless tools  [scared]


Offline Distinctive Interiors

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2019, 01:53 PM »
I can remember the first battery drill I ever owned. It was a Black & Decker that had a permanently mounted battery in it and when flat, you had to plug the complete drill onto its charger and wait whilst it recharged....! That must have been in the late 70's if I remember correctly.

Prior to that, it was ratchet & Yankee screwdrivers....and cutting mitres with a Nobex saw.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2019, 02:00 PM »
@mrB Yes, it’s like anything, all about what an individual actually needs for their situations regarding tool use.
I thought of this thread today, there were three of us on a job, and we had all cordless brushless, four impact drivers with different bits in, two four mode drills, two drivers and an 18 volt SDS drill. Also a 36 volt reciprocating saw, a 36 volt mitre saw, an 18 volt grinder and two 18 volt circular saw, and a 110 volt table saw.

We could of possibly got the job done minus the said tools tools but, would probably of worked through the night, and tomorrow  [scared] [big grin]

@Doug S

Too true Doug mate, I was explaining to them how we used to work, and what with, and they looked a little shocked! Haha!

I remember saving hard to buy my first cordless drill/driver and that tool made my life so much more comfortable when working. When I finally moved up the ranks and owned mitre saws, electric planers and circular saws, it was a real turning point.
I can only imagine how hard those poor tradesmen must of worked 100 plus years ago, and some still turned out top class work.  [thumbs up]

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Why do people so badly want a Festool impact driver?
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2019, 02:07 PM »
I can remember the first battery drill I ever owned. It was a Black & Decker that had a permanently mounted battery in it and when flat, you had to plug the complete drill onto its charger and wait whilst it recharged....! That must have been in the late 70's if I remember correctly.

Prior to that, it was ratchet & Yankee screwdrivers....and cutting mitres with a Nobex saw.

Wow! Yes I remember those drills very well.
I remember buying a cheap Black & Decker hammer drill, and thought my then boss would be impressed.
When I showed him, he said take that paperweight back, get a refund and put it towards a decent drill.
It was great advice as usual, and I never bought another cheap and cheerful tool to this day.