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Offline Matt D

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Which vac?
« on: January 21, 2021, 09:30 PM »
Surely this has been asked man times but I didn’t find much recently in a search.

I’m trying to decide on which Festool vac to buy. I’ll use it for “small” dust collection. Mainly sanders, but some track saw, and very rarely router table.

I’d rather not spend the $600+ for the MIDI, so I think the CT15 is up my alley.  I don’t see myself stacking systainers on top, don’t think I need Bluetooth either.

One question about it is can I plug non-plugit cords into it?  For instance my track saw is not a Festool.

Thanks

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Offline CeeJay

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2021, 09:39 PM »
You can plug anything into it. I use my Mafell jigsaw and Bosch 91/2” circular saw with my MIDI all the time. The CT15 has the exact same electronics.


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Offline Matt D

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2021, 08:12 AM »
Good to hear. Seems like the CT15 is a no brainer for me. What would make me spend an extra $300 for the MIDI?

Online DynaGlide

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2021, 08:27 AM »
The better hose and bluetooth are reasons enough for me to get the more expensive offerings. I can't tell you how many times I use the bluetooth remote on the hose end.
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Offline Matt D

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2021, 08:57 AM »
Can Bluetooth be added to the CT15?

And why would I need Bluetooth if my tool turns it on with the auto-on?
« Last Edit: January 22, 2021, 09:00 AM by Matt D »

Offline Peter Parfitt

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2021, 09:02 AM »
I have just put up a video about 3 of the Festool extractors:



As far as I know the CT Mini will not have a Bluetooth option but the CT Midi does. I am happy to be corrected on this.

Peter

Offline mrB

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2021, 09:11 AM »
Can Bluetooth be added to the CT15?

And why would I need Bluetooth if my tool turns it on with the auto-on?

Auto On works because the power cord is plugged into the vac. So the vac knows when you turn in the tool.
Bluetooth vac connects to battery of battery operated tool to know when the tool turns on. Requires festool vac and battery that both have Bluetooth.

There is a video around here somewhere of how someone added the festool Bluetooth module to a ct-sys successfully. But it wasn’t easy peesy and would obvs void any warranty.

And to the OP:
I think the CT15 is the best value vac around and a great choice.

If I weren’t doing it for a living + had an arsenal of battery tools + constantly moving Systainers around (CT15 won’t attach them in top) I’d go for the CT15
« Last Edit: January 22, 2021, 09:18 AM by mrB »
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2021, 09:33 AM »

And why would I need Bluetooth if my tool turns it on with the auto-on?

When I'm working I'm constantly turning the vac on/off without a tool connected to clean up. The cleantec fittings come to mind. .they lodge dust in the grooves which spills out when you disconnect your tool. It isn't something you think you'd need/want until you have it.
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Offline Matt D

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2021, 10:19 AM »
Thanks for all the replies. I do not have any battery powered Festool and honestly don’t plan to get any, so I don’t need the Bluetooth it sounds. I’m also thinking about the Fastcap Remote as a possible add on, but the auto on will work for the time being.

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2021, 10:22 AM »
@Matt D

I have Bluetooth on one of my extractors and it is worth every penny. As several people have said, workshop cleanups and also use with cordless tools when you do not have a Bluetooth battery make it invaluable.

For anyone considering retro fitting a Bluetooth module I do show how easy it is to do in my video above.

Peter

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2021, 10:39 AM »
When you're sanding, do you ever vacuum the boards when you change grits?

Will you ever use the vacuum for simple clean-up chores?

I have an older MIDI that will not accept Bluetooth and I will be replacing it with a newer MIDI that does accept Bluetooth.

I will not purchase another vacuum if it doesn't have Bluetooth or is not convertible.

Once you have a vac with Bluetooth, you'll wonder how you ever got along without it.

Offline alexl

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2021, 12:34 PM »
I went with the CT15 a few weeks ago when i finally drank the green kool-aid. So far paired with my domino and a sander. I am a furniture maker, so ability to stack systainers on the vac is not a big issue for me. If it became an issue, the hose garage from the ct-midi can be added for $50. I also have the vac right beside me, bending over to manually turn on if necessary is not a big interruption to my particular work flow. I see no point in a cordless tool for my workshop/workflow if i am just going to plug a dust collection hose in anyway (though i am sure this is over-simplified and other folks love their cordless stuff).

Offline kevinculle

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2021, 12:36 PM »
The Bluetooth feature is essential in my experience.

Offline Matt D

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2021, 02:40 PM »
@ Alexl - I’m a furniture maker too, thanks for those thoughts. I’ve gotten by with a 15 year old craftsman shop vac under my bench, and turning it in and off might add a step but no big deal. I have the 5 seconds to spare.

I don’t vac after each grit, usually a burst of compressed air or a rag.

General shop cleanup is usually with a broom, call me old fashioned.

Seems like the Fastcap Remote would basically add the functionality of Bluetooth with a press of a button. So that might be an option too.

CT15 is looking up my alley. Thanks all.

Offline mrB

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2021, 05:36 PM »
I have just put up a video about 3 of the Festool extractors:



As far as I know the CT Mini will not have a Bluetooth option but the CT Midi does. I am happy to be corrected on this.

Peter

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Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2021, 10:33 PM »
I have Bluetooth on a CT-26 and it really helps.
The amount I turn it on and off is amazing .
In the past, I would leave the vac on.
Plus,if you get a longer hose,it makes a difference .
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2021, 11:03 PM »
The calendars should be reset to have year 0 based on  Before Blue Tooth CTs and After Blue Tooth CTs.   BBT and ABT.

As I think everyone who has it has stated, there just is no world without it once you have it. It sounds silly, but it's just freaking brilliant when you are working.  From cleanup, to mid jobs (such as sanding as mentioned), it's just far to handy.  Bending down, reaching under a bench doesn't sound like much, till you don't have to do it, then bending/reaching down just becomes crazy.


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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2021, 03:49 AM »
As far as I know the CT Mini will not have a Bluetooth option but the CT Midi does. I am happy to be corrected on this.

Mini and Midi from the same generation are always identical except bag size.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2021, 07:35 AM »
A small correction to Alex’ answer: The new CT Mini/Midi shares the same bag, made to max out on the Midi, but tub size differs.
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Offline Matt D

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2021, 09:56 PM »
I’m sure it’s nice to have, but it’s not worth $300. Especially when I could spend $30 on the Fastcap Remote and have basically the same thing.

Offline hemmerlinj

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2021, 04:49 PM »
The CT15 is the CT Midi without the Bluetooth and the ability to stack Systainers.  Otherwise it appears to be the same dimensions.  The BT isn't a necessity, but it's nice to have.  I use my Midi with my router table that I plug into a different socket and not thru the Ct Midi so having the BT button on the hose at the table is handy.  And it since I also use it to vacuum off dust from my bandsaw it comes in handy so I don't have to wheel the main part of the Vac around the entire shop space(not that it's actually that big of space).  CT15 will be a great choice and save you some scratch.  If it's your first Festool vac I think you'll be amazed at how well it works.  I t really packs the particles into the bag almost like there's little German elves in there stacking everything up to get the most out of the space of the bag.

Offline Steverino

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2021, 11:15 PM »
I’m sure it’s nice to have, but it’s not worth $300. Especially when I could spend $30 on the Fastcap Remote and have basically the same thing.

The Fastcap won't work with newer Festools like the CT15, the electronic switch will not turn back on after the power is disconnected. The older ones with the mechanical switch should be OK though.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Which vac?
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2021, 11:38 AM »
I used a 6 gal shop vac under my back-bench with an I-vac automatic switch for a few years. I got it essentially because of the Domino. The whole-shop main system had a drop for my miter saw and I even had a floor sweep opening in my area, but neither was easy to connect at the bench for hand operated tools. I used this set-up, with pretty good results for quite a while. Then the switch failed. The time I spent waiting on a new one was miserable. It is so easy to forget to turn the vac on, once automatic becomes a thing.
After the fire, while in a temporary facility, I again used a shop vac manually for a few weeks. Even though I had replaced all of the Festool stuff I had before, I didn't buy an extractor.
 While the focus of the bosses was to get a new CNC up and running, and we didn't have a panel saw yet, I used the extra space I gained by building a track saw cutting station into the opposite end of my 4' x 8' router table. With the TS55 and a couple of tracks, I was far more independant/productive, but that's when the need for the extractor showed up. Moving the shop vac back and forth wasn't going to get it, so I got a CT26. It made things much simpler. I used it in it's original form for a while, not owning any bluetooth tools, it was fine. Learning about the remote was a game-changer, even though I still don't have any bluetooth tools. I use it a lot for simple clean-ups, but it relly shine with the Kreg jig. When I use the K5 on the bench, I always connect the extractor hose. The remote button is right there, couldn't be easier.
Live without it? of course, I did for years, but I sure wouldn't want to. When you make your living with this stuff and use it all day every day, little improvements matter and this is a big one. It's likely different for a hobby guy though. Plus, what you don't know can't help you. Of course some of this tech didn't exist when I could have used it, years ago. Some I just didn't know about or realize how much it could help improve/speed up my work.
All that so say "it depends", but don't count it out just because of cost. Cheaper alternatives can cost you more in the long run.
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