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Offline Wwwsweden

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Where did the TS75 go?
« on: April 02, 2021, 08:30 AM »
I have recently ordered a TS75 but now see it is no longer sold by Festool, anyone know what’s happening?
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Offline Alex

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2021, 08:50 AM »
Nope, no one knows.

Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2021, 10:04 AM »
Only Festool knows.

Try this topic for more. But basically there is no real answer at this point.


https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/ts75-discontinued/msg637678/#msg637678

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Offline Chainring

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2021, 11:17 AM »
Interestingly, just yesterday I received an in stock notice from US Tool & Fastener for the TS 75. I don't recall signing up for a stock alert, but they did receive a limited amount of them.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2021, 02:57 PM »
I just went to the site and placed my order too. I hope it does work out.
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Offline JimH2

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2021, 06:30 PM »
Makes we wonder if a replacement is coming. With a new TS55 on the way the 75 is probably not far behind. Too bad they could not improve the rail system.

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2021, 06:45 PM »
I actually talked to someone at Festool yesterday.  The shortage of TS-75's is simply supply chain issues.  No re-engineering as a cause.

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Offline SDWW2019

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2021, 06:57 PM »
Too bad they could not improve the rail system.

What is wrong with the rail system and what needs to be improved?

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2021, 07:40 PM »

What is wrong with the rail system and what needs to be improved?

The only thing I can think of is an anti-tip feature with the saw is tilted, but it's not a deal breaker for sure. The parallel guide will keep it from falling over, but it's not perfect either. It only holds the base flat when the saw is off of the track.
The saws can be adjusted so that they can work with the same splinter guard.
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Offline JimH2

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2021, 09:56 PM »
Too bad they could not improve the rail system.

What is wrong with the rail system and what needs to be improved?

Mafell...it's why I swapped track systems and parted with additional funds for a few of their unique tools.

Offline ScotF

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2021, 01:20 AM »
I actually like the Festool rails for most cuts vs the Mafell...the metal on metal contact is what I dislike about Mafell. With the new TSO rail connectors, joining Festool rails is not as cumbersome. I do like the rubber strip on Mafell better and the second groove to hold stock next to the cut edge is also a huge bonus. But, Festool is grippier and the wider rail has advantages when using dogs. Just my opinion and everyone's mileage may vary.

Offline mino

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2021, 05:28 AM »
Too bad they could not improve the rail system.

What is wrong with the rail system and what needs to be improved?

Mafell...it's why I swapped track systems and parted with additional funds for a few of their unique tools.
The Maffel tracks are better when short and used solely for tracksaws.

The Festool tracks are more universal.
 - the FS/2 rails are stiffer by about 2x, try making a 5000 Maffel rail and it will be too wobbly in the lateral direction so will not cut straight
 - they provide simple and flexible ways to connect the accessories
 - they can suport a friction-less configuration like the TS/TSC55 uses with the plastic cam sliders
 - the anti-splinter strip is from a hard material which is better for clean cuts in laminated chipboard etc. as it presents higher and more localized counter-pressure on the material
 - the distance from the antislip-pads for the second surface is long-enough so that the pressure of the anti-splinter strip is even further increased
 - the plastic sliders are at the right points, avoiding bending moments inside the rail, improving cut squareness consistency

The only real drawbacks is that the FS/2 rails are not really optimal for bevel cuts due to the way how they are super-optimized for clean and precise square cuts. And they are also not suitable for narrow stock - you need 150 mm thick stock to place the metal contact point on the material being cut to get a square cut.

Of course, the Festool rail connectors are simply junk and one needs the Makita ones for good and precise connections. Or TSO ones for self-aligning if Maffel-class precision is sufficient. But the connectors are not really a drawback of the rail system itself. Actually the flexibility of connecting via the track slots - unlike Maffel system - supports reference-edge-aligned connecting where your accuracy is not limited by the rails being exact same shape (hint, they never are).

Here are a couple improvements I would do (did):
 - third anti-slip pad about 1/2" from the "central one", far enough from the edge so it does not take pressure away from the anti-slip strip
 - avoid using the anti-slip pad as a measuring tool, use PGs for that (granted, this is a new invention but convenient connection of PGs is one of the FS/2 rail advantages
 - use Makita connectors + as-high-precision-as-possible engineers straight edge (aka DIN 0 or equivalent)
 - gently file the reference surface on the rib so that any extrusion imperfections can be eliminated (I used an engineers DIN0 straight edge with sandpaper on it for this)

These improvements move the rail system further away from Maffel into metal-engineering accuracy. Basically better than a big CNC in many cases.

In my view the Maffel system IS better out-of-the-box for short (<2000mm) cuts with one or at most two rails where the cleanliness of cut in stuff like chipboard is not a be-all.
The Festool rail system on the other hand is a bit worse to Maffel out-of-the-box especially given the dent-making connectors but once combined with accessories and/or tuned it moves way above where the Maffel is for ever can be as far as accuracy and cut perfection and supportable length of a straight cut. Just the 140-ish mm versus 180-ish mm wideness difference means the FS/2 rails are about 2x as stiff to begin and that can not be compensated in any way. Once you hit that as an accuracy limit, it is game over.

EDIT: thanks Svar
« Last Edit: April 10, 2021, 02:48 PM by mino »
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2021, 10:02 AM »
I'm with JimH2 on this...I also prefer using the Mafell rails. The Festool rail is used with a TSO GRS-16 for crosscuts only.

Offline Svar

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2021, 01:40 PM »
...Actually the flexibility of connecting via the track slots - unlike Maffel system - supports reference-edge-aligned connecting where your accuracy is not limited by the rails being exact same shape (hint, they never are).
In Mafell rails the straight edge of the connector butts right against the guide spline. Hence the guide splines of two connected rails are are always perfectly aligned regardless of the rails being exact same overall shape/width.

I think both systems have advantages and you may prefer one over another depending on your work type.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2021, 01:45 PM by Svar »

Offline mino

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2021, 02:43 PM »
In Mafell rails the straight edge of the connector butts right against the guide spline. Hence the guide splines of two connected rails are are always perfectly aligned regardless of the rails being exact same overall shape/width.

I think both systems have advantages and you may prefer one over another depending on your work type.
Ref the connector you are absolutely right, not sure how I missed this. Too much drink I guess.  [blink]

And agree both have advantages. The plus for Festool is strength, flexibility, support for the low-fiction slides and cleaner cuts. While Maffel is smaller/lighter, has a better connector system and the rubber strip is better for non-ideal-but-great cut quality.
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Offline turner66

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2021, 11:13 AM »
Interestingly, just yesterday I received an in stock notice from US Tool & Fastener for the TS 75. I don't recall signing up for a stock alert, but they did receive a limited amount of them.

Thanks for that heads up, much appreciated. I ordered Friday when i saw this and got confirmation via phone call this morning that my order had been processed and that they did have some in stock and mine would ship either today or tomorrow.  Just in time for a project where it will be most helpful.

Offline Chainring

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2021, 12:46 PM »
@ turner66

You're welcome!

I like passing on stuff like that, especially on a forum that so far seems to be a bunch of really cool folks helping each other.

Offline Coen

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2021, 05:10 PM »
Interestingly, just yesterday I received an in stock notice from US Tool & Fastener for the TS 75. I don't recall signing up for a stock alert, but they did receive a limited amount of them.

Thanks for the heads up, mine came today.
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Re: Where did the TS75 go?
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2021, 05:57 PM »
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