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Offline Gregor

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1650 on: July 11, 2020, 06:20 AM »
Hm, that's quite a philosophical problem there that Festool probably didn't think about on the design table.  [smile]
Yea, probably an unorthodox choice of words  [smile]

I ment it in the sense of 'to not care about it at all' - a state that (I guess) everyone here maintains on their tools, possibly through applying a thin coat of oil or wax to stop the blade from corroding.


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Offline Cheese

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1651 on: July 11, 2020, 09:45 AM »
@Cheese, here you go:

I'm looking forward to an interesting phone call that'll happen monday morning. 

Thanks @Gregor for the photos...it is larger than the CMS but not unmanageably so considering it uses a "full size" 10" (254 mm) blade. Nice looking piece of equipment...too bad about the plastic bits.   [sad] 

The broken roller is especially troublesome for a piece of equipment whose main function in life is to be set-up, taken down and moved on a daily basis. [mad] [mad]

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1652 on: July 11, 2020, 09:52 AM »
Also when putting the sled onto the slider I bumped the wheel slightly against the rail, it destructed:

The plastic hoop (which basically is the only thing that'll be in need of replacement after throwing the slider from a bridge) is (according to EKAT) not available as a spare, only the whole wheel assembly for the low price of only 19,51€.

I'm looking forward to an interesting phone call that'll happen monday morning.


This happened to me with the siding table I purchased for the VL I have. Make sure you receive the correct assembly — the top ones differ from the bottom ones; eccentric vs centric. And yes, the price of the part is absurd.


And OT: I hope to receive my TKS 80 next week. It has shipped from the dealer!
Cheers, Bert Vanderveen

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Offline ProCarpenterRVA

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1653 on: July 11, 2020, 10:11 AM »
Aloha y’all! I’m new to the group and fully enjoying the great tips.

I went on a shopping spree and came home with a Kapex, TS75, CT Mini and MFT3. I’m set until after Christmas  [big grin]
Welcome to the world of Festool

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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1654 on: July 14, 2020, 09:37 AM »
Also when putting the sled onto the slider I bumped the wheel slightly against the rail, it destructed:

The plastic hoop (which basically is the only thing that'll be in need of replacement after throwing the slider from a bridge) is (according to EKAT) not available as a spare, only the whole wheel assembly for the low price of only 19,51€.

I'm looking forward to an interesting phone call that'll happen monday morning.


This happened to me with the siding table I purchased for the VL I have. Make sure you receive the correct assembly — the top ones differ from the bottom ones; eccentric vs centric. And yes, the price of the part is absurd.


And OT: I hope to receive my TKS 80 next week. It has shipped from the dealer!


Received my TKS 80 Set today. Put it together & guess what happened? The SAME PART broke while sliding the table onto the profile. (Insert a lot of swearing).
Sent an email to FS with a picture. Hopefully they’ll do the right thing. This may be a production goof, because it kind of happens to everyone.
(OTH I have a slider on hand that will do for the time — just doesn’t have the ‘all new appearance’ of the rest.)
« Last Edit: July 14, 2020, 09:40 AM by Bert Vanderveen »
Cheers, Bert Vanderveen

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Offline Ron B

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« Reply #1655 on: July 14, 2020, 02:05 PM »
I sure am glad Festool finally got their new battery introduction completed.  I am new to Festool, and thought Festool never had a sale, and then kept finding too many temptations on clearance.  Last year I bought an used 55 track saw and got that dreaded green Festool fever.  In Feb. I see the 115 sander was being discontinued.  At least with this dealer, while Festool prices may take the shirt off your back this dealer gives you a new Festool tee shirt.  So $220 down and new tee shirt.  (Last Sunday a lightly used 115 sander sold for $455+ shipping on E-bay-OUCH).   Next, I thought too long and missed the HKC saw for $395 with Airstream batteries and charger.  It sold out the same day I tried to order. Then I found a deal on a D handle 420 Carvex jigsaw set with 5.2 bluetooth ($375).   Then someone was clearing out the C18 with 3.1 batteries ($449).  Then I see the ETSC 125 Hybrid sander set for $349 including 110v convertor.  For some reason I never could save enough money for the Kapex miter saw.  And lucky for my checking account, I could not take advantage of the great deals I found in Canada because of Festool regulations.   So yes, I am glad the new batteries are finally introduced and things can get back to normal.   

Offline alevan

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1656 on: July 14, 2020, 03:58 PM »
Well after swearing off buying anymore Festool items unless I really really needed something, I came across a great deal on a mint used TSC 55 basic kit (with no batteries/charger).  So I then began my search for batteries/charger.  In Canada 2 new 5.2 non-bluetooth batteries and the Airstream 6 charger would have cost me 360.00 + tax.  I check out some of my vendors and one of the vendors has the BHC Hammer Drill Kit on sale for 399.00 that includes  2 x 5.2 batteries and the Airstream 8 charger for basically 39.00 more than buying 2 batteries and a charger separately. So I just bought a new BHC Hammer drill in a systainer for $39.00 !!
Yesterday I also picked up a great used CT 36 E AC vac and Planex LHS 225 (for less than 1/2 new) from a couple who used it one time to drywall a garage addition 3 years ago and it has sat unused for all that time.  I will now sell my CT 36 vac so with the proceeds from that my cost for the Planex kit will be about 1/4 new price. I swear I won't buy anymore Festool!
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Offline _Ben_

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1657 on: July 14, 2020, 05:13 PM »
Finally picked up a new TID 18 from DM-tools in the UK, they were very quick to send and came well packaged. Nice looking impact drill, looking forward to use it. Also first tool of mine to arrive in new sys3. Bloody shame about the difference in height but other than that it's a nice systainer for the drill.

I did also pick up an XXL sys3, really useful to store my decorating tools! Might pick up another at a later time. Just waiting for the new shape sys-cart to sit it on.

Offline threesixright

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1658 on: July 14, 2020, 06:01 PM »
Also slight quality problems, seems like they forgot to coat the blade with something making it agnostic to touch:

Hm, that's quite a philosophical problem there that Festool probably didn't think about on the design table.  [smile]

The quality of the plastic used is disappointing to see.
I don’t think its that bad. They need  keep it “light”, for sure not a table to take with you for a “few” hours.


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Online ScotF

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1659 on: July 14, 2020, 08:48 PM »
Succumbed to the STM 1800 preorder...

Offline Gregor

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1660 on: July 15, 2020, 05:03 AM »
The quality of the plastic used is disappointing to see.
I don’t think its that bad. They need  keep it “light”, for sure not a table to take with you for a “few” hours.
Brittle plastics is IMHO no good idea, especially for stuff that is intended to be moved.

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1661 on: July 15, 2020, 05:23 AM »
The quality of the plastic used is disappointing to see.
I don’t think its that bad. They need  keep it “light”, for sure not a table to take with you for a “few” hours.
Brittle plastics is IMHO no good idea, especially for stuff that is intended to be moved.


Well, Festool came through. Just got a phone call & a new wheel assembly is on its way to me (under warranty).
Cheers, Bert Vanderveen

TS55 · TS55R · OF1010 · DF500 Mk2 · MFT/3 + TSB1-MW 1000 + VL + CMS TS55 + CMS PS300 + LA-CS 70/CMS · CTL Midi · RTS400 EQ · 2 x CXS Li 1,5 · T15+3 Li 4,2 · TI15 Impact Li 4,2 · Centrotec Sets 2008 + 2015 · PSB300 · LR32-SYS · RO150 · Kapex KS120 · 2 x MFK700 · RO90 · OFK700 · BS75 · OFK500 · OF2200 · CMS-GE · Vecturo 18 Li · TID 18 · TKS 80 EBS-Set · … | Mirka 1230L P&C | Hammer A3 31 Silent Power · Hammer N4400 · Hammer HS950 | TaigaTools VacPods Pro Set
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Offline threesixright

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1662 on: July 15, 2020, 06:49 AM »
The quality of the plastic used is disappointing to see.
I don’t think its that bad. They need  keep it “light”, for sure not a table to take with you for a “few” hours.
Brittle plastics is IMHO no good idea, especially for stuff that is intended to be moved.

Whatever they do, they will never do it right for everybody. IMHO this is not a true job saw (unless your after a hernia, or 2). I think its more designed to move it around in your (small) shop. But allows -for rare occasions- you can take it with you. If you want a true portable saw, I would choose something different. That said, this is a version 1.0, so I expect(ed) some issues. Overall I like the built (got one myself). And the plastic is just a way to save on weight. Not saying it's OK  for parts to break easily. I trust FT will upgrade some of the parts as we go, if it turns out to be an issue.

TBH I rather would have them do something on the mechanism to tilt the blade (the lever and the fine-tune knob), that I don't find a great solution.

And on mine nothing broke (yet  [unsure])...  ;)


Offline Gregor

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1663 on: July 15, 2020, 07:58 AM »
The design of the Schiebetisch looks to be unchanged from and, apart from the extra leg and the clips for the screws inside the box, identical to the CS 50 one. I have an old one (bought used some years ago) which is identical in every other resort, except the wheels that had been changed to metal ones by the previous owner as he as tired of replacing broken ones.

So yea, in some way the deconstructing wheels are a 1.0 issue...
« Last Edit: July 15, 2020, 08:02 AM by Gregor »

Offline Cheese

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1664 on: July 15, 2020, 09:54 AM »
Interestingly enough, here's what Festool has to say in the Owners Manual, instruction #3. The bold & large lettering is Festool's decision, not mine.

3 Intended use
The TKS 80 EBS is designed as a transportable power tool for sawing wood, laminated wooden panels, non-ferrous metals and plastic.

And here's instruction #7.

7 Transportation
CAUTION

Heavy bench-mounted circular saw Risk of injury
► The bench-mounted circular saw must be
carried by two people.
► Hold it by the handle areas on the
side [3-3] for transport. Never take hold of and transport the power tool by the guard.

So the take-away is this is a transportable saw that should be handled by 2 people and because of its portability, it will possibly be assembled & disassembled hundreds of times during its lifetime. So those plastic covered rollers are a potential liability.   [sad]  It seems that simply changing the material of the rollers to nylon or Delrin would cure the problem.  [smile]

Offline threesixright

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1665 on: July 15, 2020, 10:01 AM »
transportable
Thats the keyword, which IMO is not even close to meaning portable  ;). And if you didn't RTFM, then it pretty clear when you lift it  [big grin]

Offline jobsworth

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1666 on: July 15, 2020, 10:28 AM »
How did you try to put the sliding table on the saw?
I had a issue with breaking the rollers on my CMS.
Talked to Allan K about it, He said if you just well put it on the saw you will damage the rollers.
You have slide the table on the saw from the front or rear.
I started doing that and have had no issues since.

Offline threesixright

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1667 on: July 15, 2020, 11:30 AM »
How did you try to put the sliding table on the saw?

Good question, I'm also curious what now happend  [blink]

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1668 on: July 15, 2020, 01:40 PM »
How did you try to put the sliding table on the saw?

Good question, I'm also curious what now happend  [blink]


Slid it onto the rail as it is supposed to. My first reaction was: did it hit something -- but it was the front wheel, the one that slid on first, so no. I DID feel stupid because it happened to me before, with the whole thing on the VL.


BTW  The manuals are somewhat lacking, as always. Wish that FS hired a proper manual writer to do their manuals (or a better one if they already do).
Cheers, Bert Vanderveen

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Offline Imemiter

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1669 on: July 15, 2020, 11:08 PM »
Of course the day I go in to finally buy the SYS MFT FX that'd been in the shop for months, it's been sold. [sad]

To console myself I picked up two fast clamps and the clamping elements. Tonight I'm cruising Amazon looking for dog deals.

Offline pettyconstruction

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What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1670 on: July 16, 2020, 07:59 PM »
I have a Fein supercut that I love but rolling out a cord for a few minutes of use was getting to me. Sometimes the set up took longer than the project.

I ordered a vecturo that arrived today.

My first impression is that it feels like quality, like my Fein.
It came with the new systainer, and a blade.
Bare tool , I have some chargers and about 7-8 batteries, so to save some money, that’s why I did.

I will see have I like it tomorrow, but I know I already like the way the blade goes on , after just a few minutes of handling the tool.

Oh and the New systainer is nice with a handle on top, but the handle that is on the lid pops open when carrying it on its side. That is dumb. Bad design if you ask me.
Cheers, charlie


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Offline Scott in Bend

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1671 on: July 16, 2020, 09:20 PM »



Oh and the New systainer is nice with a handle on top, but the handle that is on the lid pops open when carrying it on its side. That is dumb. Bad design if you ask me.
Cheers, charlie


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Both the top handle and side handle snap in to place with a firm push.  They will not swing out.

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1672 on: July 16, 2020, 10:59 PM »



Oh and the New systainer is nice with a handle on top, but the handle that is on the lid pops open when carrying it on its side. That is dumb. Bad design if you ask me.
Cheers, charlie


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Both the top handle and side handle snap in to place with a firm push.  They will not swing out.
Well thanks, after your comment ,I went back and confirmed what you said. It does snap down in place. Duh.
I should have messed with the systainer a little more.
Thanks ,Charlie


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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1673 on: July 17, 2020, 09:14 AM »
@pettyconstruction Charlie, what's the cheapest path to getting a battery and charger to use the OSC 18? I've never fully understood Festool's cordless battery interchangeability. I would like to get the OSC 18 some day but currently own no 18V batteries.
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Offline pettyconstruction

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What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1674 on: July 17, 2020, 09:31 AM »
@pettyconstruction Charlie, what's the cheapest path to getting a battery and charger to use the OSC 18? I've never fully understood Festool's cordless battery interchangeability. I would like to get the OSC 18 some day but currently own no 18V batteries.
[. 
I don’t really know, the separate battery and charger  is fairly expensive.
In my case I bought a tool with a charger and have added batteries over time.
I guess you have to buy them separate and eat the cost.
Btw I don’t have the new 4ah Bluetooth battery or any Bluetooth ones, I will get one later.
Charlie


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Offline Euclid

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1675 on: July 17, 2020, 09:46 AM »
Does the cordless Vecturo accept the same batteries as the cordless sanders (ETSC for example)?
That would seem to make sense from the point of view of compactness and ease of handling in use - but the images I've seen show it with one of the smaller 'regular' style batteries. Or are they, in turn, another battery format of their own?

Offline threesixright

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1676 on: July 17, 2020, 09:55 AM »
Does the cordless Vecturo accept the same batteries as the cordless sanders (ETSC for example)?
That would seem to make sense from the point of view of compactness and ease of handling in use - but the images I've seen show it with one of the smaller 'regular' style batteries. Or are they, in turn, another battery format of their own?

No those are different batteries. The sanders and the CXS have both different batteries (other then the 18V). I choose to have corded sanders, since I hook them up with a vac anyway. For the battery powered (most?) Sanders there is also a plugit adapter (so you could by the sander with a battery and run it via a cord)

I bought a C18 SET with charger and battery. The rest of my tools (with the 18V system) I bought without batteries (so the basic version, which included the systainer). At the time FT had free battery with a tool. I think they have these "free batteries" actions at-least 1 or 2 year (at least in the EU). So all my 18V tools (Carvex, BHC and Ventura) have now one battery, paid only for C18 one [big grin]

Offline mrB

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1677 on: July 17, 2020, 09:59 AM »
Cordless vecturo take the regular festool 18v batteries, that come with the drills, saws, grinder & oscillator.

The only 18 festool batteries that are different are for the cordless sanders. The 3 cordless sanders Are currently the only tools to use those batteries.
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1678 on: July 17, 2020, 10:27 AM »
Regarding the TKS 80, I saw it demonstrated at three different tool fair including the Festool roadshow.
The public seemed very taken with it generally but, on all three occasions, and also in a dealers, I heard people moaning about the plastic parts, and whether it was a true portable saw or not.

One of the Festool reps, might have been Phil but, can’t be sure, mentioned it was a prototype and may go through some changes, before final release.

As Cheese mentioned Delrin or PTFE may have been a better choice of material, instead of plastic. I guess if this becomes an issue, they’ll modify some part.
Not a fan of plastic in tools, or rather the over use of it but, I fully understand it’s benefits, and the tech that goes into it. Even some of my favourite tools include a lot of plastic.
I remember owning an all metal table saw many years ago, it was superb but, got stolen.
When I bought the replacement, I was a bit upset to see how much plastic was used.
The top was alloy but, the main body, knobs and levers all plastic.

That saw is still in use on site 24 year later, it’s been a superb tool.
So I misjudged it’s durability.

Offline Alex

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Re: What Festool Did You buy Today?
« Reply #1679 on: July 17, 2020, 10:42 AM »
I saw the TKS80 for the first time in the store today. I went over it with a microscope.

I was also unpleasantly surprised by the amount of plastic in it. Especially those wheels mentioned that broke, I can see why. Incredibly flimsy, like cheap chinese stuff. REALLY, Festool?