They should standardize this powertool Bluetooth communication already. Or stop calling it Bluetooth, as it implies cross-brand compatibility, which in this case it does not have.

Well, Bluetooth is a communication protocol. Nothing less, nothing more. It allows any smartphone these days to work with the BT Batteries. No need for a "Festool receiver" to do that.

It is the same as devices trasmitting voice being called "a Phone". It does not mean that the guys using Phones can communicate though. One speaking Mandarin (Makita) will still not understabnd the other speaking Farsi (Festool).

Don't blame the Phone!

But I object to management imposing an artificial constraint on engineering.

[...]

Instead of saying, “I want you to design the very best, light weight portable table saw that you can.”

They said, “I want you to design the very best light weight table saw that will fit in a Systainer.”

[...]

Festool is noted for its use of the Systainer.  That does not mean that they should hobble their engineers with an artificial constraint that compromises performance.

Much better, to have engineering say, “This is the very best, lightest and most competent portable saw we could come up with; it performs as well as any full-sized contractors’ saw.  But you will have to create a special sized Systainer, because we could not put all that capability in a standard sized Systainer.”

Could be good if one day they say "It's been so successful, now make us an XXL version." 

I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

[Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]

I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

[Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]

Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.

It might only be able to be at the base of a stack (reasonable — it’ll definitely be the heaviest) and it’ll probably be a non-standard height, but otherwise it seems to integrate fine with other systainers.

Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.

It clearly is of a standard (M) Systainer size and uses the T-Loc connection mechanism. You can see the catch point on the bottom.

It does not seem to support the Classic "nibs" or Bott rails though. A "pure" T-Loc it seems.

Not that I would want to put such a high thing on the Bott rails .. eh.

new @9:10

I love the first part of that video where he asks the rep why his Bluetooth radio isn't working!

Also, I noticed that the MIDI/MINI cordless vacs only have three suction settings: low, medium, high; instead of the 5 settings on the corded versions.

Yeah they only have the lowest three of the corded version 

Honestly, I haven't tried it yet, but even Festool' specs says 3100 L/min and 19 kPa vs 3700 L/min and 24 kPa for the corded version.

Quote from: mino on October 12, 2022, 08:44 PM

Quote from: Svar on October 12, 2022, 08:29 PM

The sliding table needs to be all the way to the blade. Why? Cutting tapers on narrow pieces, such as chair leg.
Come on, Festool, this is not difficult. There is a number of portable saws with sliding tables, all have the same flaw.

Put an aluminum plate or a ply plate on and there you go?
I guess the top of the table could be extended, but it WILL cut from cut capacity (sic). Maybe just 5mm or so. But it is not free.

It's not the point, one could build a sled for a regular saw. The point is if you bother to integrate a sliding table, do it right.

Sure, but from the video it can be seen the table could not go all the way to the blade - not without affecting the depth of cut. You can see even the existing table is "in the air" the last two centimeres or so. There is apparently the pivoting assembly blocking the path. It seem they went for "depth of cut" above "doing it right".

IMO that is the right choice.
One can still attach an aluminum plate atop the sliding table. Grinding as few mm to get more cut capacity would be a tad more difficult.


What would interest me is the reason for such a small blade. Me sniffing a physical limitation of what the robotics side could handle.

Couldn't agree more with Proxxon, while they are very nicely designed tools and they do work well, it's the ludicrous on/off cycle that renders them almost useless!

FWIW, I have the Proxxon 250mm disc sander and it's a reasonable machine. I did have to spend about an hour flattening the adjustable table, which was annoying. It's an aluminum extrusion, so there's nothing machined about it. Bulged up in the middle by the miter slot at least ¼-⅓ mm. It's not one of those powerful disc sanders that you can just push wood hard against like you might a belt sander, but for the fine touch-ups that I use it for it's OK.

 
https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/576820---csc-sys-50

I can genuinely say I've not been as excited to get my hands on a new tool for years.
From what I'm hearing... this is next level.

Stay tuned for a youtube as soon as I'm allowed.

Really curious now what they have cooking for a router table. There's no way they can leave that gap in their lineup for the whole mobile cabinetry image they're going with.

THIS !!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^

Here is the first official Festool video on the new saw (as far as I know):

They spent so much on product development and shooting the video that they only had $1.50 budget left to do the music 

Here's another Festool video on the saw: