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Offline guybo

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upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« on: September 29, 2022, 01:48 PM »
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2022, 02:09 PM »
When will that saw be available in North America? That will kill off any other portable TS.

I think we need to get the Roadshow tour back up and running the North America.

The FestoolUSA website leads one to believe it was coming in 2022, but time is running out since it is now the end of September.

Maybe next year.
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Offline _Ben_

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2022, 02:40 PM »
Interesting bit of kit, clever use of the systainer case. I'm not sure the LCD panel would survive the rigours of typical usage.

Certainly more manoeuvrable than a tks80!

Could be tempted if price was right.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2022, 03:06 PM »
Wowwwww. I've been using my big table saw less and less since getting the parallel guides and using that new-ish FS-WA to the point where it's just become another horizontal surface/assembly space. I'd love to sell it and replace it with this. Takes up such little space when not in use and for the times I do need one, easy to pop out and set up. Amazing.

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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2022, 03:18 PM »
I've never felt any need for a table saw, least of all a really small one. But I have to say that looks really neat, and incredibly well thought-out. The fact that it's all Systainer-based is also very clever. The stand/trolley also looks way sturdier and more site-survivable than previous Festool support hardware offerings. I won't be buying one because I don't need one - but if I did need one, this is what I'd buy, no question.

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2022, 03:50 PM »
The size and portability would be be great if I own a vacation home or am a snowbird, and want to do some simple projects while away from my cabinet saw. Of course, only if it also has the SawStop finger-saving technology, like the Compact SawStop saw.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2022, 04:25 PM »
It exhibits a lot of clever engineering maneuvers, and undoubtedly retains the admirable build quality that Festool is rightly known for. 

But I object to management imposing an artificial constraint on engineering.

Instead of saying, “I want you to design the very best, light weight portable table saw that you can.”

They said, “I want you to design the very best light weight table saw that will fit in a Systainer.”

I can only imagine how much better the saw would have performed if the task was to to simply build “the very best light weight tables saw you can” rather than forcing it to fit in a Systainer. 

Festool is noted for its use of the Systainer.  That does not mean that they should hobble their engineers with an artificial constraint that compromises performance.

Much better, to have engineering say, “This is the very best, lightest and most competent portable saw we could come up with; it performs as well as any full-sized contractors’ saw.  But you will have to create a special sized Systainer, because we could not put all that capability in a standard sized Systainer.”

They had the tail wagging the dog.  Better to give basic parameters to the engineering department with a overarching dictum:  Keep it light; keep it compact; keep it capable.

Colin Chapman, the legendary engineer (and creator of Lotus Cars) said,  “Simplify and add lightness”.  He did not say, “Build me a car that has a 107” wheelbase”.  Instead he provided an overarching principle and let his engineers run with it.

Precision and portability have always been the hallmarks of Festool.  But the Festool saw predates the containers that house it. 

I think they should have taken a similar approach:  Design a saw that will eventually have to be made to fit in some sort of containers, preferably a container that reflects the design characteristics of a standard Systainer (similar lines, materials, handles and latches, and of course the standard Festool colors).
It looks like an appealing little saw, but I think they screwed the pooch by forcing the engineers to work within a size constraint.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2022, 05:04 PM »
It's cute.  I've been eyeballing the sawstop compact, but honestly this one seems more useful to drag about, even without the brake.  The click insert riving knife and guard makes it a non-brainer to install it when one can.  If they can bring it over to NA with the option to digitally switch the LED back into metric, I'd consider it.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2022, 05:19 PM »
Do you think they would offer it with the SS safety feature since the FT tablesaws oversea have it?

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2022, 05:32 PM »
The way the stand opens and flips up to be an outfeed support and the fact that they put the battery connections on in such a way as to allow larger batteries (even if a larger battery wouldn't fit in the systainer-style shell) are both pretty clever.

I haven't had time to watch the whole thing yet, but those items stood out to me.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2022, 06:19 PM »
A slider in something this small? Wow. Are there any other table saws in the EU market as small with a slider, whether corded or cordless?

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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2022, 07:05 PM »
I just watched the video again and realised this is cordless. Cancel my imaginary order.

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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2022, 07:21 PM »
The cordless saw makes sense because it's supposed to be used with the cordless dust extractor.

Speaking of the CT SYS, which has no use in my shop, I'd rather use a long long hose than carrying it (15.2 lb!) on my shoulder, and working a tool with me standing on a ladder as seen in a promo vid!

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2022, 08:10 PM »
Too much obsession with battery power in my view. Who is this aimed at? Someone doing finish work in a home without utilities??

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2022, 08:10 PM »
A slider in something this small? Wow. Are there any other table saws in the EU market as small with a slider, whether corded or cordless?

The Dewalt (big) table saws have a "slider". That whobbly thingy.

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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2022, 08:18 PM »
Too much obsession with battery power in my view. Who is this aimed at? Someone doing finish work in a home without utilities??

I agree in general about the obsession, or hype. In some cases, cordless tools are very useful such as cordless drills and routers. Dust extractors and tablesaws that can't be used with regular power as an alternative are too limited in their applications.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2022, 08:22 PM »
I just watched the video again and realised this is cordless. Cancel my imaginary order.

A hybrid version would have been a good choice. Work from the mains when you can and batteries when you have to.
Best of both worlds.

I agree that if fitting in the largest available Systainer was a design constraint, they should have made a custom Sys just to hold this saw. But I am not assuming that the design team was shackled with that restriction. Possible but how would anyone on the outside know? If it was mentioned in the video I did not catch it.

And if you could run a 6" dado stack that would be awesome.
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2022, 08:27 PM »
They already made a custom systainer? It surely looks bigger than the M437. Or maybe it's a small dude. Not sure. I can read the shampoo bottle label in French, not listen to anything substantive.

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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2022, 08:28 PM »
As for the hybrid... if someone cracks the code of what is between the additional terminals of the Festool battery, you surely can. But it's gonna be bulky...

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2022, 10:50 PM »
The saw is not in a big Systainer.

A custom Systainer is assembled around it.

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2022, 11:33 PM »
I saw that, but the width of that Systainer appears to be predetermined by the Sistainer's rolling cart.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2022, 12:29 AM »
I want that, yesterday!

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2022, 06:38 AM »
Video is private
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2022, 06:50 AM »
It wasn't last night  [tongue]

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2022, 07:28 AM »
It wasn't last night  [tongue]

It is now.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2022, 07:36 AM »
Ya what is going on ? Can’t see what everyone is talking about…@guybo ?
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2022, 07:45 AM »
Ya what is going on ?

Either A, it was never intended to be seen by the general public, or B, it has generated so many questions here in the NA that they have restricted access to it.
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2022, 08:54 AM »
That looked like a custom sized Systainer to me.

And for any of you internet spelunkers out there, here is the official name that was on both the saw & the Systainer.

CSC SYS 50 EBI

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2022, 09:19 AM »
It did look like it was a small group of possibly Festool employees and Festool related people. On the other hand it was clearly being demoed at an event set up, in front of a paint store / hardware store. So not exactly the best idea if your trying to be secret.  [blink]  [huh]

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2022, 09:21 AM »
That looked like a custom sized Systainer to me.

And for any of you internet spelunkers out there, here is the official name that was on both the saw & the Systainer.

CSC SYS 50 EBI

 [poke] [poke] [poke] C'mon @Cheese I know your memory isn't that good. Share the screen captures or video you saved.
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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2022, 09:28 AM »
[poke] [poke] [poke] C'mon @Cheese I know your memory isn't that good. Share the screen captures or video you saved.

You're right Matt...my memory isn't that good.  [smile]  I was busy working on some CMS modifications yesterday and started to watch the video but decided I'd watch it later, just happened to write the name down "just in case". I know what can happen on this forum.  [smile]

Returned to watch the video last night...gone.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2022, 09:30 AM »
Suuuuure likely story. Well here ya go:

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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2022, 09:39 AM »
It did look like it was a small group of possibly Festool employees and Festool related people. On the other hand it was clearly being demoed at an event set up, in front of a paint store / hardware store. So not exactly the best idea if your trying to be secret.  [blink]  [huh]

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Ya stealth wasn't exactly their first priority...I think I remember seeing the Festool roadshow truck in the video.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2022, 10:44 AM »
Did they mention finger-saver tech in the saw?

I have a little-used DW jobsite saw, about the only thing that'd make me replace it would be a ~$1K SawStop (I'm familiar with their new offering) with the slider. For that, I might consider overlooking the friggin' batteries.

Not that I expect it to be anywhere near $1K.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2022, 07:34 PM »
....and so it begins

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2022, 07:40 PM »
Did they mention finger-saver tech in the saw?

I have a little-used DW jobsite saw, about the only thing that'd make me replace it would be a ~$1K SawStop (I'm familiar with their new offering) with the slider. For that, I might consider overlooking the friggin' batteries.

Not that's I expect it to be anywhere near $1K.

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I watched the video before it disappeared, and from what I could see, it looked to me like there was no room for the finger saver tech. Could be wrong though but it was a pretty compact unit.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2022, 10:10 PM »
To me, it looked very sophisticated which = pricey.  It might be in Erika range....

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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2022, 10:19 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2022, 11:06 PM »
No, that is a completely different product.

The video showed a Festool battery powered saw table that was housed in a custom Systainer.

It was French spoken, so didn't really pay attention.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2022, 02:21 AM »

I think I remember seeing the Festool roadshow truck in the video.


It wouldn’t have been that International Lone Star one in France, @Cheese - even if Festool had paid $zillions to get it over here from NA. US trucks are of absolutely no use in Europe because of regulations limiting the length of the overall truck/trailer rig. That’s why every semi in Europe is hauled by a short-length cabover - to maximise trailer capacity within the overall maximum rig length. In NA, the only restriction applies to the length of the trailer on its own - so it can legally be hauled by a semi tractor with a bonnet (hood) the length of a football field, and an apartment-block-sized sleeper cab bolted to the back. I once saw a video about a guy who had a custom stretched Kenworth which was almost as long as his trailer. I'm also guessing that as a German manufacturer, Festool Europe would use a German semi tractor - either M.A.N. or Mercedes-Benz.

Plus - if you zoom in on the pic, the guy sitting with his back to the camera is wearing a baseball cap and holding a beer. He therefore has to be American  [big grin] [big grin]
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2022, 08:00 AM »

I think I remember seeing the Festool roadshow truck in the video.


It wouldn’t have been that International LoneStar one, @Cheese - even if Festool had paid $zillions to get it over here from NA. US trucks aren’t legal for use in Europe because of regulations limiting the length of the overall truck/trailer rig. That’s why every semi in Europe is hauled by a cabover - to maximise trailer capacity within the overall maximum rig length. In NA, the only restriction applies to the length of the trailer on its own - so it can legally be hauled by a semi tractor with an apartment-block-sized sleeper cab. I once saw a video about a guy who had a custom stretched Kenworth which was almost as long as his trailer.

Plus - if you zoom in on the pic, the guy sitting with his back to the camera is wearing a baseball cap and holding a beer. He therefore has to be American  [big grin] [big grin]

It's actually as easy as looking at the license plate on the bumper. That length-width ratio in not even close the the European size.
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2022, 08:06 AM »
Suuuuure likely story. Well here ya go:



I like the digital display showing the blade height and angle to tenths of a degree.
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« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2022, 08:07 AM »
US trucks aren’t legal for use in Europe because of regulations limiting the length of the overall truck/trailer rig.

Well they definitely wouldn't like some of the rigs we have for long haul across OZ then!

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« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2022, 09:01 AM »
Plus - if you zoom in on the pic, the guy sitting with his back to the camera is wearing a baseball cap and holding a beer. He therefore has to be American  [big grin] [big grin]

LOL...Ya I took that at the Festool Road Show when Betterly's hosted it about 4 years ago. The same folks that produce these items.






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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2022, 10:42 AM »

Well they definitely wouldn't like some of the rigs we have for long haul across OZ then!


Big mistake to put on a roadtrain pic like that for a Brit truck nerd who's addicted to 'Outback Truckers' @luvmytoolz  [big grin]

I see that some of the roadtrains for mine haul applications around Pilbara have now gotten so huge that the manufacturers are using an additional 600-horsepower engine slung underneath one of the trailers.

Back on topic - I don't understand Festool's apparent reluctance to get potential buyers excited about a new product, unless it's still in the developmental stage and is still a long way off. I believe (rightly or wrongly) that these occasional glimpses of what's to come are a surefire way of generating interest. My TS60's coming in November - I ordered it just from seeing the promo video.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2022, 11:03 AM »
Suuuuure likely story. Well here ya go:



I like the digital display showing the blade height and angle to tenths of a degree.

Yea, but you still have to set the miter gauge the old-fashioned analog way...  [poke]

How can I possibly get the correct 19.7 degrees I need for that cut?

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« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2022, 11:32 AM »
How can I possibly get the correct 19.7 degrees I need for that cut?

Not sure how the saw actually works as the video is not in English, but if it has an overriding feature, an inclinometer should do the job.

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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2022, 11:35 AM »
How can I possibly get the correct 19.7 degrees I need for that cut?

If it was not apparent, that was meant as irony. Or sarcasm. I get mixed up sometimes. [smile]

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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2022, 11:39 AM »
Haha. You got me.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2022, 10:32 PM »
I was excited when I first started to watch. Learning it uses batteries completely rules it out for me.
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2022, 12:53 AM »
For anyone interested, I did some sleuthing on where this presentation likely took place:


Now the real questions are:
  • When will Festool officially announce it in other countries?
  • Which countries/markets will it be available in and when?
  • What will it cost?
  • Will there be an option to plug it into the AC power grid via an adapter similar to the one they offer for some sanders?
  • Oh, and how much money does a kidney sell for these days? (asking for a friend)



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« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2022, 03:35 AM »
Good detective work!

I know it runs on batteries, but darn it is so cute!

I hate to think what the RRP will be for us in OZ when it finally releases!

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« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2022, 06:21 AM »
Oh, and how much money does a kidney sell for these days? (asking for a friend)

[welcome] & nice start on your FOG cred!

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2022, 06:33 AM »
I would love to have this saw in my small basement shop where I don't have room to park an AC powered table saw full time.

With the stand this can fold up and sit in the corner until needed then be set up fairly quickly. And when I head out to work away from the shop it can travel with me.

I hope this makes it to the North American market.
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« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2022, 09:00 AM »
Good job on the spelunking.  [thumbs up]

I'll add one more question, does it incorporate a SawStop brake cartridge?

Like Bob, I'd love to have one of these in the basement, put the Bosch down the road and regain some valuable room.  [smile]

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« Reply #56 on: October 03, 2022, 09:22 AM »
There is a dual power site saw.  It will run on line current or batteries.  I cannot recall who makes it though.  One of the majors—I don’t remember which.

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« Reply #57 on: October 03, 2022, 09:49 AM »
I hate to think what the RRP will be for us in OZ when it finally releases!

Unfortunately even in OZ you only have two kidneys, and you need at least one.  [eek]

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« Reply #58 on: October 03, 2022, 10:11 AM »


I'll add one more question, does it incorporate a SawStop brake cartridge?
For those who know does the cartridge require a constant power supply@120v,however i think it would have been demo in the video.I reposted one of the four iphone videos of the event in my opening post about 14 min.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2022, 10:23 AM »
I think the answer is no SawStop brake. Someone on the Facebook group commented that the SawStop technology relies on a ground connection so it's not possible with a battery powered saw. But I am just repeating what I read somewhere else. Someone else might have a better understanding...



I'll add one more question, does it incorporate a SawStop brake cartridge?
For those who know does the cartridge require a constant power supply@120v,however i think it would have been demo in the video.I reposted one of the four iphone videos of the event in my opening post about 14 min.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #60 on: October 03, 2022, 10:54 AM »
This is almost a text book example of viral advertising.
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #61 on: October 03, 2022, 11:12 AM »
There is a dual power site saw.  It will run on line current or batteries.  I cannot recall who makes it though.  One of the majors—I don’t remember which.

Metabo HPT makes one, rst has one and likes it a lot.

Not up on Dewalt stuff but I think they also have a dual power saw.

I too think it highly unlikely that this new saw has Sawstop tech but the form is certainly drool worthy.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #62 on: October 03, 2022, 01:02 PM »

I'm also guessing that as a German manufacturer, Festool Europe would use a German semi tractor - either M.A.N. or Mercedes-Benz.


I called it. That's a 2021 M.A.N. TGX18.470. Peering through the pixels, it looks like they've covered up the truck logo with a Festool banner.

Just thought I'd throw that in there. Anyway - the saw .........






« Last Edit: October 03, 2022, 01:07 PM by woodbutcherbower »

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #63 on: October 03, 2022, 01:13 PM »
Watching the video again from the first post it looks like the dial controls both blade height and angle. Press one of the buttons to switch between the two. Rotating the dial is whole degrees or height in mm, press and turn the dial for tenths of a degree or mm.

Looks like it might have some memory presets too. That would be handy to return to a specific blade height and angle.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2022, 01:21 PM by Bob D. »
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #64 on: October 03, 2022, 01:31 PM »
There is a dual power site saw.  It will run on line current or batteries.  I cannot recall who makes it though.  One of the majors—I don’t remember which.

Metabo HPT makes one, rst has one and likes it a lot.

Not up on Dewalt stuff but I think they also have a dual power saw.

I too think it highly unlikely that this new saw has Sawstop tech but the form is certainly drool worthy.

I think Dewalt’s multi- voltage saw means it can use batteries of different voltage’s within their system, not battery and line voltage. I’m not sure though. 

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #65 on: October 03, 2022, 01:32 PM »
I think the sawstop is a moot point.  It's a CS line with a tiny blade meant for trim and laminated flooring work.  You're not going to get close enough...

Now I've said that, someone's going to remove the guard and try to cut box joints with it or mitered splines :)

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #66 on: October 03, 2022, 01:35 PM »

    • Oh, and how much money does a kidney sell for these days? (asking for a friend)


    no kidney bank in the uk only a liverpool [big grin]

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    Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
    « Reply #67 on: October 03, 2022, 01:38 PM »
    I called it. That's a 2021 M.A.N. TGX18.470. Peering through the pixels, it looks like they've covered up the truck logo with a Festool banner.

    Just thought I'd throw that in there. Anyway - the saw .........

    (Attachment Link)


    That MAN truck logo reminds me of the MACK truck logo. Similar in spirit.  [smile]

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    Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
    « Reply #68 on: October 03, 2022, 03:11 PM »
    I seem to remember talk of a AC adapter for the DeWalt FlexVolt Tablesaw when it came out a couple years ago. Might have been vaporware but it was mentioned in some of their ads.

    Nope, as I write this I now recall it was for the FlexVolt Mitersaw, not the tablesaw.
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    Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
    « Reply #69 on: October 03, 2022, 03:31 PM »
    I seem to remember talk of a AC adapter for the DeWalt FlexVolt Tablesaw when it came out a couple years ago. Might have been vaporware but it was mentioned in some of their ads.

    Nope, as I write this I now recall it was for the FlexVolt Mitersaw, not the tablesaw.

    It's real and exists in the wild.  That saw is a dual 60V battery that runs at 120V so the AC adapters job is pretty simple for North American market.

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    « Reply #70 on: October 03, 2022, 03:58 PM »
    This comparison includes a review of the Metabo saw, which uses both line voltage or batteries.  It is the last saw that they review.


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    « Reply #71 on: October 03, 2022, 04:25 PM »
    Comparing rpms without any compensation for blade diameter is not a good approach.

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    « Reply #72 on: October 03, 2022, 05:19 PM »
    I posted the video for the sole purpose of identifying the job site saw that offered both battery power and plug in power in one saw.  That was the Metabo.  I was not referencing any specific qualities other that the power option.

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    « Reply #73 on: October 03, 2022, 05:30 PM »
    I posted the video for the sole purpose of identifying the job site saw that offered both battery power and plug in power in one saw.  That was the Metabo.  I was not referencing any specific qualities other that the power option.

    Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were.

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    Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
    « Reply #74 on: October 03, 2022, 05:49 PM »

      • Oh, and how much money does a kidney sell for these days? (asking for a friend)


      no kidney bank in the uk only a liverpool [big grin]

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      Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
      « Reply #75 on: October 03, 2022, 06:19 PM »
      I seem to remember talk of a AC adapter for the DeWalt FlexVolt Tablesaw when it came out a couple years ago. Might have been vaporware but it was mentioned in some of their ads.

      Nope, as I write this I now recall it was for the FlexVolt Mitersaw, not the tablesaw.

      It's real and exists in the wild.  That saw is a dual 60V battery that runs at 120V so the AC adapters job is pretty simple for North American market.

      Yes, the mitersaw exists, but as far as I know (and I looked on DeWalt site earlier today) the FlexVolt TS can not use the 120V adapter which is a shame.
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      « Reply #76 on: October 03, 2022, 06:53 PM »

        • Oh, and how much money does a kidney sell for these days? (asking for a friend)


        no kidney bank in the uk only a liverpool [big grin]

        How long have you been holding onto that?  Just waiting for the prefect moment.[/list]
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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #77 on: October 04, 2022, 01:14 PM »
        I want this saw so badly. There are so many options for mini table saws with sliding arms in the UK and AU.
        I wonder if they will do a Router table in a Systainer format.
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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #78 on: October 04, 2022, 04:06 PM »
        Metabo is brushless also.

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #79 on: October 05, 2022, 02:30 PM »
        I recently found a video from a so called CSC SYC 50 EBI



        It looks like a cordless table saw that can be stored in a special systainer housing. According to the name the saw has a cutting depth of 50mm offers electronics a break and has bluetooth integrated. The video although shows that the depth and angle settings are electronic controlled.

        Has anyone further informations on this upcoming Festool equipment?

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #80 on: October 05, 2022, 02:48 PM »
        Hi Tobias,

        There's already an extensive thread on this machine;

        https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/what-do-you-think-70104/

        Kevin

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #81 on: October 05, 2022, 03:15 PM »
        tanke you.
        I run a quick search on the fog before but surprisingly got no results.

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #82 on: October 05, 2022, 08:32 PM »
        Don't knock yourself.  I don't think any of us mentioned it by name.

        edit: Just to tag it, it's CSC SYS 50 EBI (video title is wrong as can be seen in the pic itself)
        « Last Edit: October 06, 2022, 02:39 PM by woodferret »

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #83 on: October 06, 2022, 12:36 AM »
        Merged two topics on this.

        Seth

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #84 on: October 06, 2022, 04:47 AM »
        This is no carpentry saw. That one is clear.

        Looks like all the rumours of a "Shaper saw" were true indeed. Just not what anyone expected. Pretty confident the software and electromechanics are from the Shaper know-how.

        Having a tracksaw system, the biggest advantage of a tablesaw is precise work on small pieces - exactly what this tool shall address.


        IMO a great product to complement the tracksaw series. We just need a TS85 or the HK 85 being more accessible for the US folk and one is fully covered. Only shame is the CT-SYS cannot take the 8Ah bats ... but I guess this is expected to be paired more with the CTC Mini/Midi.

        For those complaining of battery-only - just think how long a TSC lasts on one charge. I see no issue /except cost/ with this even in one-man-shop use. Quite the contrary. Any cord avoided in a small shop is a blessing.


        That said, my smell test says this is a patent-rich thingie. We are not likely to see similar product from the competition for the next 20 years ..
        « Last Edit: October 06, 2022, 05:37 PM by mino »
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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #85 on: October 06, 2022, 05:17 PM »
        A youtube comment says it will be €2400 excl taxes.

        Would almost be perfect for me, besides the cordless part. I have some corded FT tools but no cordless. Using a pickup (with shell), stacking is quite important so also wondering how the trolley works storage wise.

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #86 on: October 12, 2022, 04:57 PM »
        Watching the video again from the first post it looks like the dial controls both blade height and angle.
        What I found really neat is that you set the height, then as you change the angle, the blade extends to compensate. So whatever angle you choose, you know it will still stay the same height, without getting a calculator out or resetting the height a second time.

        (I’m not a tablesaw expert, so I’m not sure if this is available elsewhere — I’ve never seen it.)

        There are a lot of really well thought-out features here, especially for such a small form-factor.

        I have no space (European city; whaddyagonnaddo) so my shop is all living out of systainers. I’ve been looking for something this size for a long time. I had a Proxxon FET, but gave it away after christening it “Aproxxon” in despair. I now have a Byrnes Model saw and it’s amaaaazingly accurate, but it’s very tiny.

        This new machine hits my tech / precision/ size buttons all at once.

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        « Reply #87 on: October 12, 2022, 08:29 PM »
        The sliding table needs to be all the way to the blade. Why? Cutting tapers on narrow pieces, such as chair leg.
        Come on, Festool, this is not difficult. There is a number of portable saws with sliding tables, all have the same flaw.

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        « Reply #88 on: October 12, 2022, 08:44 PM »
        The sliding table needs to be all the way to the blade. Why? Cutting tapers on narrow pieces, such as chair leg.
        Come on, Festool, this is not difficult. There is a number of portable saws with sliding tables, all have the same flaw.
        Put an aluminum plate or a ply plate on and there you go?

        I guess the top of the table could be extended, but it WILL cut from cut capacity (sic). Maybe just 5mm or so. But it is not free.

        To me this was a no-go here. It seems they were somehow limited with the blade dia - vibrations possibly - so the cut capacity is pretty low as it is.

        On the other hand. An official accessory plate that would attach to extend the table and a shim on the body may be possible - if there is the market.
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        « Reply #89 on: October 13, 2022, 04:02 AM »
        They should standardize this powertool Bluetooth communication already. Or stop calling it Bluetooth, as it implies cross-brand compatibility, which in this case it does not have.

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        « Reply #90 on: October 13, 2022, 07:11 AM »
        They should standardize this powertool Bluetooth communication already. Or stop calling it Bluetooth, as it implies cross-brand compatibility, which in this case it does not have.
        Well, Bluetooth is a communication protocol. Nothing less, nothing more. It allows any smartphone these days to work with the BT Batteries. No need for a "Festool receiver" to do that.

        It is the same as devices trasmitting voice being called "a Phone". It does not mean that the guys using Phones can communicate though. One speaking Mandarin (Makita) will still not understabnd the other speaking Farsi (Festool).

        Don't blame the Phone!
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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #91 on: October 13, 2022, 08:34 AM »
        Don't blame the Phone!
        ;)
        Well, technically it is the fault of the Bluetooth standard in as much as it doesn’t offer a profile designed specifically for power tool/battery communication. This omission forced tool manufacturers to create proprietary solutions.

        However, ultimately I would actually lay the blame at the feet of the tool manufacturers, as they could still have worked together to create a shared way of communicating using the existing profiles, or even lobbied the Bluetooth SIG to add a new profile.

        I suspect they have no motivation to do that though. They have little to gain by allowing communication between their devices and those from other manufacturers.

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        « Reply #92 on: October 13, 2022, 03:42 PM »
        But I object to management imposing an artificial constraint on engineering.

        [...]

        Instead of saying, “I want you to design the very best, light weight portable table saw that you can.”

        They said, “I want you to design the very best light weight table saw that will fit in a Systainer.”

        [...]

        Festool is noted for its use of the Systainer.  That does not mean that they should hobble their engineers with an artificial constraint that compromises performance.

        Much better, to have engineering say, “This is the very best, lightest and most competent portable saw we could come up with; it performs as well as any full-sized contractors’ saw.  But you will have to create a special sized Systainer, because we could not put all that capability in a standard sized Systainer.”

        Could be good if one day they say "It's been so successful, now make us an XXL version."  [big grin]

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        « Reply #93 on: October 13, 2022, 04:03 PM »
        There is still the L-Size Systainer factor to expand to. ;)

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        « Reply #94 on: October 13, 2022, 04:48 PM »
        I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

        And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

        With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

        [Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]

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        « Reply #95 on: October 13, 2022, 06:04 PM »

        One speaking Mandarin (Makita) will still not understand the other speaking Farsi (Festool).



        I never realised that Makita were Chinese and Festool were Persian. I thought they were Japanese and German.

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        « Reply #96 on: October 13, 2022, 06:13 PM »
        I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

        And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

        With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

        [Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]


        Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.
        « Last Edit: October 13, 2022, 08:47 PM by Michael Kellough »

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        « Reply #97 on: October 13, 2022, 06:26 PM »
        Hi, he had one of  energy sets on top before he began


        Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.
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        « Reply #98 on: October 13, 2022, 07:29 PM »

        349524-0

        349526-1

        It might only be able to be at the base of a stack (reasonable — it’ll definitely be the heaviest) and it’ll probably be a non-standard height, but otherwise it seems to integrate fine with other systainers.

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        « Reply #99 on: October 14, 2022, 03:15 AM »
        I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

        And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

        With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

        [Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]

        Couldn't agree more with Proxxon, while they are very nicely designed tools and they do work well, it's the ludicrous on/off cycle that renders them almost useless! Reminds me of the first time we used the MIL's Bamix and burnt the motor out after only a few minutes of light use, when she told us you aren't meant to run it for than 20-30 seconds at a time, my first thought was "what idiot designed that?".

        And yes, a Kapex similar in size to the old ELU PS174 but with festool's build quality would be awesomely useful!

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #100 on: October 14, 2022, 08:36 AM »
        Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.
        It clearly is of a standard (M) Systainer size and uses the T-Loc connection mechanism. You can see the catch point on the bottom.

        It does not seem to support the Classic "nibs" or Bott rails though. A "pure" T-Loc it seems.

        Not that I would want to put such a high thing on the Bott rails .. eh.
        « Last Edit: November 18, 2022, 03:33 PM by mino »
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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #101 on: October 14, 2022, 09:23 AM »
        They should standardize this powertool Bluetooth communication already. Or stop calling it Bluetooth, as it implies cross-brand compatibility, which in this case it does not have.
        Well, Bluetooth is a communication protocol. Nothing less, nothing more. It allows any smartphone these days to work with the BT Batteries. No need for a "Festool receiver" to do that.

        It is the same as devices trasmitting voice being called "a Phone". It does not mean that the guys using Phones can communicate though. One speaking Mandarin (Makita) will still not understabnd the other speaking Farsi (Festool).

        Don't blame the Phone!
        ;)

        You need the "Festool receiver" on the vac. They should have made it open source or at least synced it across tool manufacturers.

        Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.
        It clearly is of a standard (M) Systainer size and uses the T-Loc connection mechanism. You can see the catch point on the bottom.

        It does not seem to support the Classic "nibs" or Bott rails though. A "pure" T-Loc it seems.

        Not that I would want to put such a high thing on the Bott rails .. eh.

        Huh? It does show the Bott-rail recess in the bottom sides.

        But you can't get the rails separate here anyway, so your latter problem is solved  [tongue]

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        « Reply #102 on: October 17, 2022, 03:40 PM »
        new @9:10

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #103 on: October 17, 2022, 05:45 PM »
        I love the first part of that video where he asks the rep why his Bluetooth radio isn't working!

        Also, I noticed that the MIDI/MINI cordless vacs only have three suction settings: low, medium, high; instead of the 5 settings on the corded versions.

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        « Reply #104 on: October 17, 2022, 09:48 PM »
        I love the first part of that video where he asks the rep why his Bluetooth radio isn't working!

        Also, I noticed that the MIDI/MINI cordless vacs only have three suction settings: low, medium, high; instead of the 5 settings on the corded versions.

        Yeah they only have the lowest three of the corded version  [tongue]

        Honestly, I haven't tried it yet, but even Festool' specs says 3100 L/min and 19 kPa vs 3700 L/min and 24 kPa for the corded version.
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        Offline Svar

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #105 on: October 17, 2022, 09:52 PM »
        The sliding table needs to be all the way to the blade. Why? Cutting tapers on narrow pieces, such as chair leg.
        Come on, Festool, this is not difficult. There is a number of portable saws with sliding tables, all have the same flaw.
        Put an aluminum plate or a ply plate on and there you go?
        I guess the top of the table could be extended, but it WILL cut from cut capacity (sic). Maybe just 5mm or so. But it is not free.
        It's not the point, one could build a sled for a regular saw. The point is if you bother to integrate a sliding table, do it right.

        Offline mino

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #106 on: October 18, 2022, 12:56 AM »
        The sliding table needs to be all the way to the blade. Why? Cutting tapers on narrow pieces, such as chair leg.
        Come on, Festool, this is not difficult. There is a number of portable saws with sliding tables, all have the same flaw.
        Put an aluminum plate or a ply plate on and there you go?
        I guess the top of the table could be extended, but it WILL cut from cut capacity (sic). Maybe just 5mm or so. But it is not free.
        It's not the point, one could build a sled for a regular saw. The point is if you bother to integrate a sliding table, do it right.
        Sure, but from the video it can be seen the table could not go all the way to the blade - not without affecting the depth of cut. You can see even the existing table is "in the air" the last two centimeres or so. There is apparently the pivoting assembly blocking the path. It seem they went for "depth of cut" above "doing it right".

        IMO that is the right choice.
        One can still attach an aluminum plate atop the sliding table. Grinding as few mm to get more cut capacity would be a tad more difficult.
        :)

        What would interest me is the reason for such a small blade. Me sniffing a physical limitation of what the robotics side could handle.
        When The Machine has no brains, use yours.

        Offline guybo

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #107 on: October 29, 2022, 08:20 PM »

        Offline smorgasbord

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #108 on: October 30, 2022, 02:00 PM »
        Couldn't agree more with Proxxon, while they are very nicely designed tools and they do work well, it's the ludicrous on/off cycle that renders them almost useless!

        FWIW, I have the Proxxon 250mm disc sander and it's a reasonable machine. I did have to spend about an hour flattening the adjustable table, which was annoying. It's an aluminum extrusion, so there's nothing machined about it. Bulged up in the middle by the miter slot at least ¼-⅓ mm. It's not one of those powerful disc sanders that you can just push wood hard against like you might a belt sander, but for the fine touch-ups that I use it for it's OK.

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #109 on: November 14, 2022, 03:16 PM »
        about 2200 in exchange rate

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #110 on: November 15, 2022, 04:58 AM »
         :-X :-X
        https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/576820---csc-sys-50

        I can genuinely say I've not been as excited to get my hands on a new tool for years.
        From what I'm hearing... :-X this is next level.

        Stay tuned for a youtube as soon as I'm allowed. [smile]
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        Offline DynaGlide

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #111 on: November 15, 2022, 07:58 AM »
        This thing would complement a mobile installer teams main table saw back at the shop nicely. I wish I could justify it but having only room for one jobsite size saw in my shop as it is, I'd have to keep that one for the 10" size and minor dado capabilities in addition to this and that's a no go.

        Very cool though. If all you do and will ever do is cabinetry it would likely meet all your needs.

        Really curious now what they have cooking for a router table. There's no way they can leave that gap in their lineup for the whole mobile cabinetry image they're going with.
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        Offline woodbutcherbower

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #112 on: November 15, 2022, 08:02 AM »

        Really curious now what they have cooking for a router table. There's no way they can leave that gap in their lineup for the whole mobile cabinetry image they're going with.


        THIS !!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #113 on: November 15, 2022, 08:28 AM »
         [wink] [wink]

        also worth noting its takes same blade as TS60... [cool]
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        Offline GregorHochschild

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #114 on: November 15, 2022, 09:20 AM »
        Here is the first official Festool video on the new saw (as far as I know):


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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #115 on: November 15, 2022, 10:16 AM »
        Scroll down on the link i posted its got the English product video..
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        Offline woodbutcherbower

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #116 on: November 15, 2022, 10:47 AM »
        They spent so much on product development and shooting the video that they only had $1.50 budget left to do the music  [crying]

        Offline mal_lynam

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #117 on: November 16, 2022, 02:54 AM »

        Really curious now what they have cooking for a router table. There's no way they can leave that gap in their lineup for the whole mobile cabinetry image they're going with.


        THIS !!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^
        Sorry but cordless table saw lovely and all that it is, how come in this day and age there's no cordless planer or plans for one that I know off. Seriously.

        Offline GoingMyWay

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #118 on: November 16, 2022, 09:53 AM »
        Here's another Festool video on the saw:
        Inquiring Minds Want to Know

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        Offline Econoline

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #119 on: November 16, 2022, 06:16 PM »

        Really curious now what they have cooking for a router table. There's no way they can leave that gap in their lineup for the whole mobile cabinetry image they're going with.


        THIS !!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^

        Why in the world would Festy abandon the CMS concept, to compete a million other companies making site saws?
        If they had asked; I would have said, give us a CMS insert for the HK85. A modular throat plate would have allowed us to use the grooving attachment, albeit with limited depth. The TS 75 CMS insert is awesome, they should have improved on the CMS concept. We're carpenters doing actual site work, not millennials looking for ourselves and digital gizmos...
        Festy, you get an F...
        E.

        Offline squall_line

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #120 on: November 16, 2022, 10:43 PM »

        Really curious now what they have cooking for a router table. There's no way they can leave that gap in their lineup for the whole mobile cabinetry image they're going with.


        THIS !!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^

        Why in the world would Festy abandon the CMS concept, to compete a million other companies making site saws?
        If they had asked; I would have said, give us a CMS insert for the HK85. A modular throat plate would have allowed us to use the grooving attachment, albeit with limited depth. The TS 75 CMS insert is awesome, they should have improved on the CMS concept. We're carpenters doing actual site work, not millennials looking for ourselves and digital gizmos...
        Festy, you get an F...
        E.

        Safety regs.  All portable tools have to move to a No-volt release (NVR) switch in the EU, and an NVR switch is not compatible with a remote on-off switch that is at the heart of the CMS system, because you would have to reset the switch on the tool for each activation.

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        Offline Econoline

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        « Reply #121 on: November 18, 2022, 04:20 PM »
        Festy should move the CMS team and assembly to the US. They still get an F...
        E.

        Offline Coen

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        « Reply #122 on: November 19, 2022, 01:43 PM »
        I doubt there is a ban on exports?

        Offline squall_line

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #123 on: November 19, 2022, 10:10 PM »
        It wouldn't matter if the CMS "team" was in the US if all of Festool's offerings ended up receiving an NVR switch during their next redesign; it would completely negate the usability of the CMS system as currently designed.

        Offline Econoline

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #124 on: November 20, 2022, 11:43 AM »
        Festy gets an F...

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #125 on: November 20, 2022, 02:16 PM »
        I saw Festool demo video about these this morning. That's when I noticed it was Festool/UK  [unsure]
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        Offline _Ben_

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #126 on: November 20, 2022, 04:23 PM »
        Hopefully by the time it's released I'll have figured a reason to buy it.

        I guess the beauty of the battery platform is that it can be released globally a bit easier I should think. Sure it'll be in US in no time.

        No doubt also working on a router table with fixed motor to get around NVR requirement.

        Offline NonsuchMatt

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        « Reply #127 on: November 28, 2022, 12:56 PM »
        Too much obsession with battery power in my view. Who is this aimed at? Someone doing finish work in a home without utilities??

        Reliable power on a job site is hard to come by. Battery powered tools have been a major boon to my productivity. No more waiting around, losing an extension cord, fighting over a quad box, etc. Just working.

        Offline timwors

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        « Reply #128 on: Yesterday at 12:50 PM »
        I must admit I've been secretly enjoying the Festool Quick Guide shorts on using this thing. It certainly does seem very impressive for its size. Quite astonishing that they have fitted all this into a SYS3 M case, albeit a very tall one.

        I also saw on the Festool website (UK) that the underframe cart/table is available separately with a RRP of £360.

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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #129 on: Today at 02:50 AM »
        Having now Had some time on this i can confirm it really is a game changer. one of those "ahar" tools.
        Accuracy and ease of use is really streets ahead of anything in a similar footprint.
        Trying to get a youtube video out this week... ::)
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        Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
        « Reply #130 on: Today at 10:28 AM »