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Offline guybo

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upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« on: September 29, 2022, 01:48 PM »
« Last Edit: October 01, 2022, 06:41 PM by guybo »

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Offline Bob D.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2022, 02:09 PM »
When will that saw be available in North America? That will kill off any other portable TS.

I think we need to get the Roadshow tour back up and running the North America.

The FestoolUSA website leads one to believe it was coming in 2022, but time is running out since it is now the end of September.

Maybe next year.
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Offline _Ben_

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2022, 02:40 PM »
Interesting bit of kit, clever use of the systainer case. I'm not sure the LCD panel would survive the rigours of typical usage.

Certainly more manoeuvrable than a tks80!

Could be tempted if price was right.

Online bwehman

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2022, 03:06 PM »
Wowwwww. I've been using my big table saw less and less since getting the parallel guides and using that new-ish FS-WA to the point where it's just become another horizontal surface/assembly space. I'd love to sell it and replace it with this. Takes up such little space when not in use and for the times I do need one, easy to pop out and set up. Amazing.

Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2022, 03:18 PM »
I've never felt any need for a table saw, least of all a really small one. But I have to say that looks really neat, and incredibly well thought-out. The fact that it's all Systainer-based is also very clever. The stand/trolley also looks way sturdier and more site-survivable than previous Festool support hardware offerings. I won't be buying one because I don't need one - but if I did need one, this is what I'd buy, no question.

Offline ChuckS

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2022, 03:50 PM »
The size and portability would be be great if I own a vacation home or am a snowbird, and want to do some simple projects while away from my cabinet saw. Of course, only if it also has the SawStop finger-saving technology, like the Compact SawStop saw.

Offline Packard

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2022, 04:25 PM »
It exhibits a lot of clever engineering maneuvers, and undoubtedly retains the admirable build quality that Festool is rightly known for. 

But I object to management imposing an artificial constraint on engineering.

Instead of saying, “I want you to design the very best, light weight portable table saw that you can.”

They said, “I want you to design the very best light weight table saw that will fit in a Systainer.”

I can only imagine how much better the saw would have performed if the task was to to simply build “the very best light weight tables saw you can” rather than forcing it to fit in a Systainer. 

Festool is noted for its use of the Systainer.  That does not mean that they should hobble their engineers with an artificial constraint that compromises performance.

Much better, to have engineering say, “This is the very best, lightest and most competent portable saw we could come up with; it performs as well as any full-sized contractors’ saw.  But you will have to create a special sized Systainer, because we could not put all that capability in a standard sized Systainer.”

They had the tail wagging the dog.  Better to give basic parameters to the engineering department with a overarching dictum:  Keep it light; keep it compact; keep it capable.

Colin Chapman, the legendary engineer (and creator of Lotus Cars) said,  “Simplify and add lightness”.  He did not say, “Build me a car that has a 107” wheelbase”.  Instead he provided an overarching principle and let his engineers run with it.

Precision and portability have always been the hallmarks of Festool.  But the Festool saw predates the containers that house it. 

I think they should have taken a similar approach:  Design a saw that will eventually have to be made to fit in some sort of containers, preferably a container that reflects the design characteristics of a standard Systainer (similar lines, materials, handles and latches, and of course the standard Festool colors).
It looks like an appealing little saw, but I think they screwed the pooch by forcing the engineers to work within a size constraint.

Offline woodferret

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2022, 05:04 PM »
It's cute.  I've been eyeballing the sawstop compact, but honestly this one seems more useful to drag about, even without the brake.  The click insert riving knife and guard makes it a non-brainer to install it when one can.  If they can bring it over to NA with the option to digitally switch the LED back into metric, I'd consider it.

Offline Grits

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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2022, 05:19 PM »
Do you think they would offer it with the SS safety feature since the FT tablesaws oversea have it?

Offline squall_line

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2022, 05:32 PM »
The way the stand opens and flips up to be an outfeed support and the fact that they put the battery connections on in such a way as to allow larger batteries (even if a larger battery wouldn't fit in the systainer-style shell) are both pretty clever.

I haven't had time to watch the whole thing yet, but those items stood out to me.

Offline Chainring

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2022, 06:19 PM »
A slider in something this small? Wow. Are there any other table saws in the EU market as small with a slider, whether corded or cordless?

Offline woodbutcherbower

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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2022, 07:05 PM »
I just watched the video again and realised this is cordless. Cancel my imaginary order.

Offline ChuckS

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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2022, 07:21 PM »
The cordless saw makes sense because it's supposed to be used with the cordless dust extractor.

Speaking of the CT SYS, which has no use in my shop, I'd rather use a long long hose than carrying it (15.2 lb!) on my shoulder, and working a tool with me standing on a ladder as seen in a promo vid!

Offline Coen

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2022, 08:10 PM »
Too much obsession with battery power in my view. Who is this aimed at? Someone doing finish work in a home without utilities??

Offline Coen

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2022, 08:10 PM »
A slider in something this small? Wow. Are there any other table saws in the EU market as small with a slider, whether corded or cordless?

The Dewalt (big) table saws have a "slider". That whobbly thingy.

Offline ChuckS

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2022, 08:18 PM »
Too much obsession with battery power in my view. Who is this aimed at? Someone doing finish work in a home without utilities??

I agree in general about the obsession, or hype. In some cases, cordless tools are very useful such as cordless drills and routers. Dust extractors and tablesaws that can't be used with regular power as an alternative are too limited in their applications.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2022, 08:22 PM »
I just watched the video again and realised this is cordless. Cancel my imaginary order.

A hybrid version would have been a good choice. Work from the mains when you can and batteries when you have to.
Best of both worlds.

I agree that if fitting in the largest available Systainer was a design constraint, they should have made a custom Sys just to hold this saw. But I am not assuming that the design team was shackled with that restriction. Possible but how would anyone on the outside know? If it was mentioned in the video I did not catch it.

And if you could run a 6" dado stack that would be awesome.
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Offline Coen

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2022, 08:27 PM »
They already made a custom systainer? It surely looks bigger than the M437. Or maybe it's a small dude. Not sure. I can read the shampoo bottle label in French, not listen to anything substantive.

Offline Coen

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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2022, 08:28 PM »
As for the hybrid... if someone cracks the code of what is between the additional terminals of the Festool battery, you surely can. But it's gonna be bulky...

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2022, 10:50 PM »
The saw is not in a big Systainer.

A custom Systainer is assembled around it.

Offline Packard

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2022, 11:33 PM »
I saw that, but the width of that Systainer appears to be predetermined by the Sistainer's rolling cart.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2022, 12:29 AM »
I want that, yesterday!

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2022, 06:38 AM »
Video is private
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Offline Coen

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2022, 06:50 AM »
It wasn't last night  [tongue]

Offline Mini Me

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2022, 07:28 AM »
It wasn't last night  [tongue]

It is now.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2022, 07:36 AM »
Ya what is going on ? Can’t see what everyone is talking about…@guybo ?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2022, 07:57 AM by Vondawg »
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2022, 07:45 AM »
Ya what is going on ?

Either A, it was never intended to be seen by the general public, or B, it has generated so many questions here in the NA that they have restricted access to it.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2022, 08:54 AM »
That looked like a custom sized Systainer to me.

And for any of you internet spelunkers out there, here is the official name that was on both the saw & the Systainer.

CSC SYS 50 EBI

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2022, 09:19 AM »
It did look like it was a small group of possibly Festool employees and Festool related people. On the other hand it was clearly being demoed at an event set up, in front of a paint store / hardware store. So not exactly the best idea if your trying to be secret.  [blink]  [huh]

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2022, 09:21 AM »
That looked like a custom sized Systainer to me.

And for any of you internet spelunkers out there, here is the official name that was on both the saw & the Systainer.

CSC SYS 50 EBI

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