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Offline mino

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #90 on: October 13, 2022, 07:11 AM »
They should standardize this powertool Bluetooth communication already. Or stop calling it Bluetooth, as it implies cross-brand compatibility, which in this case it does not have.
Well, Bluetooth is a communication protocol. Nothing less, nothing more. It allows any smartphone these days to work with the BT Batteries. No need for a "Festool receiver" to do that.

It is the same as devices trasmitting voice being called "a Phone". It does not mean that the guys using Phones can communicate though. One speaking Mandarin (Makita) will still not understabnd the other speaking Farsi (Festool).

Don't blame the Phone!
;)
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Offline Spandex

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #91 on: October 13, 2022, 08:34 AM »
Don't blame the Phone!
;)
Well, technically it is the fault of the Bluetooth standard in as much as it doesn’t offer a profile designed specifically for power tool/battery communication. This omission forced tool manufacturers to create proprietary solutions.

However, ultimately I would actually lay the blame at the feet of the tool manufacturers, as they could still have worked together to create a shared way of communicating using the existing profiles, or even lobbied the Bluetooth SIG to add a new profile.

I suspect they have no motivation to do that though. They have little to gain by allowing communication between their devices and those from other manufacturers.

Offline ElectricFeet

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« Reply #92 on: October 13, 2022, 03:42 PM »
But I object to management imposing an artificial constraint on engineering.

[...]

Instead of saying, “I want you to design the very best, light weight portable table saw that you can.”

They said, “I want you to design the very best light weight table saw that will fit in a Systainer.”

[...]

Festool is noted for its use of the Systainer.  That does not mean that they should hobble their engineers with an artificial constraint that compromises performance.

Much better, to have engineering say, “This is the very best, lightest and most competent portable saw we could come up with; it performs as well as any full-sized contractors’ saw.  But you will have to create a special sized Systainer, because we could not put all that capability in a standard sized Systainer.”

Could be good if one day they say "It's been so successful, now make us an XXL version."  [big grin]

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #93 on: October 13, 2022, 04:03 PM »
There is still the L-Size Systainer factor to expand to. ;)

Offline ElectricFeet

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #94 on: October 13, 2022, 04:48 PM »
I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

[Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]

Offline woodbutcherbower

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« Reply #95 on: October 13, 2022, 06:04 PM »

One speaking Mandarin (Makita) will still not understand the other speaking Farsi (Festool).



I never realised that Makita were Chinese and Festool were Persian. I thought they were Japanese and German.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #96 on: October 13, 2022, 06:13 PM »
I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

[Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]


Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2022, 08:47 PM by Michael Kellough »

Offline guybo

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« Reply #97 on: October 13, 2022, 06:26 PM »
Hi, he had one of  energy sets on top before he began


Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.
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Offline ElectricFeet

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« Reply #98 on: October 13, 2022, 07:29 PM »

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It might only be able to be at the base of a stack (reasonable — it’ll definitely be the heaviest) and it’ll probably be a non-standard height, but otherwise it seems to integrate fine with other systainers.

Offline luvmytoolz

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« Reply #99 on: October 14, 2022, 03:15 AM »
I should also add, in addition to my previous comment, that as a very frustrated user of some Proxxon products (due to lack of space), there is a huge hole in the market when it comes to small machines. Proxxon (or cheap Chinese equivalents) is pretty much the only game in town in Europe when you are looking for very small woodworking machines.

And they are really poorly thought-out, poorly designed, and poorly made. See the most critical review of the Proxxon FET here.

With Festool's quality, standardisation of components, and new Shaper-style electronics know-how, there is a real market for smaller really well-made machines. I hope this will be the first of many systainer-sized machines.

[Please please make a tiny Kapex, Festool, please]

Couldn't agree more with Proxxon, while they are very nicely designed tools and they do work well, it's the ludicrous on/off cycle that renders them almost useless! Reminds me of the first time we used the MIL's Bamix and burnt the motor out after only a few minutes of light use, when she told us you aren't meant to run it for than 20-30 seconds at a time, my first thought was "what idiot designed that?".

And yes, a Kapex similar in size to the old ELU PS174 but with festool's build quality would be awesomely useful!

Offline mino

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #100 on: October 14, 2022, 08:36 AM »
Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.
It clearly is of a standard (M) Systainer size and uses the T-Loc connection mechanism. You can see the catch point on the bottom.

It does not seem to support the Classic "nibs" or Bott rails though. A "pure" T-Loc it seems.

Not that I would want to put such a high thing on the Bott rails .. eh.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2022, 03:33 PM by mino »
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Offline Coen

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2022, 09:23 AM »
They should standardize this powertool Bluetooth communication already. Or stop calling it Bluetooth, as it implies cross-brand compatibility, which in this case it does not have.
Well, Bluetooth is a communication protocol. Nothing less, nothing more. It allows any smartphone these days to work with the BT Batteries. No need for a "Festool receiver" to do that.

It is the same as devices trasmitting voice being called "a Phone". It does not mean that the guys using Phones can communicate though. One speaking Mandarin (Makita) will still not understabnd the other speaking Farsi (Festool).

Don't blame the Phone!
;)

You need the "Festool receiver" on the vac. They should have made it open source or at least synced it across tool manufacturers.

Well they made a Systainer to fit the saw so I guess that automatically makes it “Systainer-sized” but I don’t think it interlocks with any other Systainers. Seems to be bigger than all of the current lineup.
It clearly is of a standard (M) Systainer size and uses the T-Loc connection mechanism. You can see the catch point on the bottom.

It does not seem to support the Classic "nibs" or Bott rails though. A "pure" T-Loc it seems.

Not that I would want to put such a high thing on the Bott rails .. eh.

Huh? It does show the Bott-rail recess in the bottom sides.

But you can't get the rails separate here anyway, so your latter problem is solved  [tongue]

Offline guybo

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #102 on: October 17, 2022, 03:40 PM »
new @9:10

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #103 on: October 17, 2022, 05:45 PM »
I love the first part of that video where he asks the rep why his Bluetooth radio isn't working!

Also, I noticed that the MIDI/MINI cordless vacs only have three suction settings: low, medium, high; instead of the 5 settings on the corded versions.

Offline Coen

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« Reply #104 on: October 17, 2022, 09:48 PM »
I love the first part of that video where he asks the rep why his Bluetooth radio isn't working!

Also, I noticed that the MIDI/MINI cordless vacs only have three suction settings: low, medium, high; instead of the 5 settings on the corded versions.

Yeah they only have the lowest three of the corded version  [tongue]

Honestly, I haven't tried it yet, but even Festool' specs says 3100 L/min and 19 kPa vs 3700 L/min and 24 kPa for the corded version.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2022, 09:53 PM by Coen »

Offline Svar

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #105 on: October 17, 2022, 09:52 PM »
The sliding table needs to be all the way to the blade. Why? Cutting tapers on narrow pieces, such as chair leg.
Come on, Festool, this is not difficult. There is a number of portable saws with sliding tables, all have the same flaw.
Put an aluminum plate or a ply plate on and there you go?
I guess the top of the table could be extended, but it WILL cut from cut capacity (sic). Maybe just 5mm or so. But it is not free.
It's not the point, one could build a sled for a regular saw. The point is if you bother to integrate a sliding table, do it right.

Offline mino

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« Reply #106 on: October 18, 2022, 12:56 AM »
The sliding table needs to be all the way to the blade. Why? Cutting tapers on narrow pieces, such as chair leg.
Come on, Festool, this is not difficult. There is a number of portable saws with sliding tables, all have the same flaw.
Put an aluminum plate or a ply plate on and there you go?
I guess the top of the table could be extended, but it WILL cut from cut capacity (sic). Maybe just 5mm or so. But it is not free.
It's not the point, one could build a sled for a regular saw. The point is if you bother to integrate a sliding table, do it right.
Sure, but from the video it can be seen the table could not go all the way to the blade - not without affecting the depth of cut. You can see even the existing table is "in the air" the last two centimeres or so. There is apparently the pivoting assembly blocking the path. It seem they went for "depth of cut" above "doing it right".

IMO that is the right choice.
One can still attach an aluminum plate atop the sliding table. Grinding as few mm to get more cut capacity would be a tad more difficult.
:)

What would interest me is the reason for such a small blade. Me sniffing a physical limitation of what the robotics side could handle.
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Offline guybo

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« Reply #107 on: October 29, 2022, 08:20 PM »

Offline smorgasbord

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« Reply #108 on: October 30, 2022, 02:00 PM »
Couldn't agree more with Proxxon, while they are very nicely designed tools and they do work well, it's the ludicrous on/off cycle that renders them almost useless!

FWIW, I have the Proxxon 250mm disc sander and it's a reasonable machine. I did have to spend about an hour flattening the adjustable table, which was annoying. It's an aluminum extrusion, so there's nothing machined about it. Bulged up in the middle by the miter slot at least ¼-⅓ mm. It's not one of those powerful disc sanders that you can just push wood hard against like you might a belt sander, but for the fine touch-ups that I use it for it's OK.

Offline guybo

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« Reply #109 on: November 14, 2022, 03:16 PM »
about 2200 in exchange rate

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #110 on: November 15, 2022, 04:58 AM »
 :-X :-X
https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/576820---csc-sys-50

I can genuinely say I've not been as excited to get my hands on a new tool for years.
From what I'm hearing... :-X this is next level.

Stay tuned for a youtube as soon as I'm allowed. [smile]
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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #111 on: November 15, 2022, 07:58 AM »
This thing would complement a mobile installer teams main table saw back at the shop nicely. I wish I could justify it but having only room for one jobsite size saw in my shop as it is, I'd have to keep that one for the 10" size and minor dado capabilities in addition to this and that's a no go.

Very cool though. If all you do and will ever do is cabinetry it would likely meet all your needs.

Really curious now what they have cooking for a router table. There's no way they can leave that gap in their lineup for the whole mobile cabinetry image they're going with.
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Offline woodbutcherbower

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« Reply #112 on: November 15, 2022, 08:02 AM »

Really curious now what they have cooking for a router table. There's no way they can leave that gap in their lineup for the whole mobile cabinetry image they're going with.


THIS !!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: upcoming Festool CSC SYC 50 EBI
« Reply #113 on: November 15, 2022, 08:28 AM »
 [wink] [wink]

also worth noting its takes same blade as TS60... [cool]
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Offline GregorHochschild

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« Reply #114 on: November 15, 2022, 09:20 AM »
Here is the first official Festool video on the new saw (as far as I know):


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« Reply #115 on: November 15, 2022, 10:16 AM »
Scroll down on the link i posted its got the English product video..
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Offline woodbutcherbower

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« Reply #116 on: November 15, 2022, 10:47 AM »
They spent so much on product development and shooting the video that they only had $1.50 budget left to do the music  [crying]

Offline mal_lynam

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« Reply #117 on: November 16, 2022, 02:54 AM »

Really curious now what they have cooking for a router table. There's no way they can leave that gap in their lineup for the whole mobile cabinetry image they're going with.


THIS !!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^
Sorry but cordless table saw lovely and all that it is, how come in this day and age there's no cordless planer or plans for one that I know off. Seriously.

Offline GoingMyWay

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« Reply #118 on: November 16, 2022, 09:53 AM »
Here's another Festool video on the saw:
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« Reply #119 on: November 16, 2022, 06:16 PM »

Really curious now what they have cooking for a router table. There's no way they can leave that gap in their lineup for the whole mobile cabinetry image they're going with.


THIS !!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^

Why in the world would Festy abandon the CMS concept, to compete a million other companies making site saws?
If they had asked; I would have said, give us a CMS insert for the HK85. A modular throat plate would have allowed us to use the grooving attachment, albeit with limited depth. The TS 75 CMS insert is awesome, they should have improved on the CMS concept. We're carpenters doing actual site work, not millennials looking for ourselves and digital gizmos...
Festy, you get an F...
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