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Offline Bob D.

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What's New for Festool in 2020
« on: December 25, 2019, 04:37 AM »
Was looking through the what's new on FestoolUSA and found this worktop template.
I don't recall it being discussed here.

APS900/2

https://www.festool.com/products/new-products/new-products/204219---aps-9002#/

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Offline Bob D.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2019, 04:42 AM »
Or this new Systainer Organizer

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Online Cheese

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2019, 09:36 AM »
That template has been around for a long time. I never needed it but I assumed it was just NAINA.

The Systainer organizer is on my hit list once it's released after the first of the year.

Offline Bernmc

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2019, 01:50 PM »
A price increase is a definite  ;)

Offline ForumMFG

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2019, 02:06 PM »
I am really hoping the new impact driver gets released.  You can go on the festool germany website, download the 2020 catalog, and see what is new.   Nothing crazy.   Systainer 3 is the biggest.

Offline Svar

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2019, 02:09 PM »
A price increase is a definite  ;)
That's not new, that release it every year.  [big grin]

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2019, 02:30 PM »
A price increase is a definite  ;)
That's not new, that release it every year.  [big grin]

Pssst.  There wasn't a price increase in the US in 2019.  Don't tell anyone because nobody noticed.

Peter

Offline Bob D.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2019, 05:58 PM »
I believe the worktop template was in the US catalog.
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Offline xedos

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2019, 05:28 AM »
I'll bet you can count on one hand the number of worktop templates for mason's miters that have been sold in the U.S. 

Guys that work on kitchens or countertops that can afford this gear generally don't work on projects with laminate tops. So there's no need.  The guys that's specialize in this type work would likely have an aneurism when they see the price of just the jig.

This type jig seems to have favor in the UK but I see more from Trend. 

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2019, 07:12 AM »
I just discovered that Festool might have a new compact sliding bevel attachment for their new TKS 80 Saw Stop.
From what I am able to judge it may also fit retrospectively to existing CS 70 and CS 50 saws.
This may open som alternatives for making a bearing supported sled, and makes the sliding bevel very compact.. [smile]
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2019, 09:37 AM »
I hope to make it to the Baltimore Woodworking show the weekend after
New Years. Festool has been there in the past but I don't see them on
the exhibitors list this year. I'll probably go on Friday as I have prior
engagements with family lined up for Saturday and Sunday.

http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/baltimore.html
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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2020, 01:54 AM »
A price increase is a definite  ;)
That's not new, that release it every year.  [big grin]

Pssst.  There wasn't a price increase in the US in 2019.  Don't tell anyone because nobody noticed.

Peter

Only going to make this year’s mega increase that much more noticeable.  At least they have a completely obvious excuse to do it this time around. 

Meanwhile, I’m looking forward to the new slimline parts bin systainers, the impact driver and possibly a new updated RAS.


Offline Roachmill

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2020, 05:02 AM »
Meanwhile, I’m looking forward to...and possibly a new updated RAS.

Have I been living in a cave? I know there's a new TS, impact and systainers coming... but an updated RAS? The 115 is most certainly NAIUK and the 180 is discontinued but limited stock can still be had so there is a big gaping hole for something new. Care to spill any info you have hinting at what may be coming? Pretty please ;)

Offline yetihunter

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2020, 06:19 AM »
Meanwhile, I’m looking forward to...and possibly a new updated RAS.

Have I been living in a cave? I know there's a new TS, impact and systainers coming... but an updated RAS? The 115 is most certainly NAIUK and the 180 is discontinued but limited stock can still be had so there is a big gaping hole for something new. Care to spill any info you have hinting at what may be coming? Pretty please ;)

Pure speculation on my part.

Offline Roachmill

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2020, 06:22 AM »
Ah, OK then. I'll stand down the excitement level a notch. An update to the 115 would be great. Or just re-release it and I'd be happy.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2020, 11:16 AM »
My understanding is that the RAS was never a real popular item in the US lineup to begin with. @Peter Halle mentioned that he saw pallet upon pallet of new RAS tools at the Festool US facility.

I purchased a new RAS from Woodcraft in July 2019 and it had a build date of Dec 2016.   [eek]

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2020, 11:26 AM »
Talking to a well respected FT rep, He said the price of the impact will be competitive with others on the market . The new grinder well thats another story. If the impact is reasonably priced Ill brobally get one.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2020, 12:07 PM »
My understanding is that the RAS was never a real popular item in the US lineup to begin with. @Peter Halle mentioned that he saw pallet upon pallet of new RAS tools at the Festool US facility.

I purchased a new RAS from Woodcraft in July 2019 and it had a build date of Dec 2016.   [eek]

The RAS was unpopular at times and the popular at others , but it was getting old.  The reason I saw pallets upon pallets in the warehouse is because they had just arrived from overseas.  I would venture a guess that based on manufacture dates of the tools mentioned here that perhaps they had been sitting in Germany for some time.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2020, 10:13 AM »
This one seems to have slipped through the cracks:

Old SYS-RB (495020):



New SYS-RB (204869):

« Last Edit: January 10, 2020, 11:03 AM by TinyShop »
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n]

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Offline cpw

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2020, 10:22 AM »
New SYS-RB (204869):
That looks interesting, I wonder if it will handle a TLOC MIDI, which the current ones can't have on bottom.  I would expect this product is in response to the two Systainer 3 sizes which would have similar issues.  The move to a tloc from the side locks might make it more convenient, but I don't trust the tlocs quite as much to hold a heavier stack while navigating over a step.  I've never had one fail, but they don't feel quite as solid.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2020, 12:56 PM »
Was looking through the what's new on FestoolUSA and found this worktop template.
I don't recall it being discussed here.

APS900/2

Following up on what others have already said, the counter router template (APS900/2) was another outcome of Festool's purchase of GEAT. As well, that same purchase resulted in what would go on to be renamed the MFS.

Here's the predecessor to the APS900/2 as it originally appeared on the respective page of the GEAT website:


 
ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n]

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Offline neeleman

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2020, 02:35 PM »
New SYS-RB (204869):
That looks interesting, I wonder if it will handle a TLOC MIDI, which the current ones can't have on bottom.  I would expect this product is in response to the two Systainer 3 sizes which would have similar issues.  The move to a tloc from the side locks might make it more convenient, but I don't trust the tlocs quite as much to hold a heavier stack while navigating over a step.  I've never had one fail, but they don't feel quite as solid.

From what I've seen it will hold all T-Loc and Systainer3, including Midi and Systainer3-L.
They all fit because the systainer sits on top of the cart instead of inside with the old one.
But no Classic systainers anymore.
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Offline mcooley

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2020, 05:27 PM »
So where is the US listing for this new systainer? I can't find it. Thanks.


Offline ForumMFG

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2020, 05:29 PM »
Not out yet, from what we have heard else on this forum, maybe 2nd quarter, possible 3rd it will be out for sale


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Offline mcooley

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2020, 05:33 PM »
Okay but I thought I saw somewhere saying January 2020.

Offline Gregor

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2020, 07:06 AM »
As a note about the new organizer: the boxes are incompatible with the ones from the SYS-COMBI / SORT/3 / TOOLBOX, which are already incompatible with the colored boxes from before (measurements taken from here):

Classic colored: 49mm grid, 71mm height
SORT/3 (2015): 60mm grid and 71mm height
Systainer³ (2020): 50mm grid, 69mm height

Great festool 'system'. Not.
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« Last Edit: January 11, 2020, 07:24 AM by Gregor »

Offline JimH2

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2020, 09:09 AM »
As a note about the new organizer: the boxes are incompatible with the ones from the SYS-COMBI / SORT/3 / TOOLBOX, which are already incompatible with the colored boxes from before (measurements taken from here):

Classic colored: 49mm grid, 71mm height
SORT/3 (2015): 60mm grid and 71mm height
Systainer³ (2020): 50mm grid, 69mm height

Great festool 'system'. Not.
 [censored]

There is no excuse for the 2nd format much less this 3rd one.

Offline mrB

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2020, 10:33 AM »




Source-
https://www.eurobois.net/fr/actualites/sponsorise/festool-nouveautes

Ingenious and powerful

  With a maximum torque of 180 Nm, the new TID 18 also stands out with its great screwing power.  Thanks to its three speed levels and the intelligent "T mode", allowing it to adapt to the material being worked on, it delivers optimal power for each tightening operation.

  When screwing sheet metal onto wood with self-tapping screws, the intelligent “T mode” detects the transition from sheet metal to wood and automatically adjusts the speed.
  In addition to “T mode”, the user has three speeds providing the appropriate speed whatever the operation to be performed.
  The tangential percussion mechanism without recoil preserves the wrist.  When the device is switched on and at the start of a drilling operation at a low torque, the device rotates at maximum speed without activating the shocks.  As soon as the torque increases, when the thread of the screw engages in the wood, the device automatically reduces the speed and activates the shock system.
  The advantages of three speeds and T mode

  Festool_TID18_04.jpg

  Prevention of damage to the screw or the part to be assembled
  Protection against screw head breakage
  Protection against screw slippage
  Selection of a regime adapted to the material
  Precise tightening of small screws
  Safe work and perfect ergonomics

  At Festool, performance goes hand in hand with user safety.  Ergonomics, compactness and lightness, with a weight of only 960 g, are also among the advantages of the new cordless impact screwdriver.  It is equipped with a magnetic housing for bits on both sides, it is located deep to prevent accidental release of the bits by friction.  The practical belt clip can also be mounted on the left or right side.  Thanks to its convenient location, the LED lamp allows it to illuminate the work area without annoying shadows.  The device thus offers good maneuverability, including during long-term interventions or operations carried out with arms raised.  Thanks to the IMPACT principle implemented, the TID 18 works without hindsight.  It therefore allows you to work without fatigue for a long time.
  Soft start, electronic overload protection, fast engine brake and start protection ensure safe use of the tool.


  For each application, a suitable battery

  The Li-HighPower Compact 4.0 Ah battery is the ideal combination of power, compactness and lightness.  The Compact 3.1 Ah battery is a good choice for even more lightness.

  For uncompromising performance, the new TID 18 cordless impact screwdriver benefits from the All-inclusive Guarantee, free package of services by simply registering the machine on the website www.festool.fr/services, within 30 days of  'purchase.  From 290 € HT public price recommended (excluding eco-contribution) in Basic version without battery or charger.
  Distribution: specialized distribution networks
  Available from April 2020
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Roachmill

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2020, 12:04 PM »
Thanks for posting some new info. Nothing earth shattering there apart from maybe "precise tightening of small screws". I now envisage fine cabinet makers attaching highly detailed and delicate doors... with an impact [eek]

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Offline TinyShop

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ETS 150/5 EQ (DE) [po], TS 75 EQ (DE) [po], OF 1400 EQ-F (DE) [n], CXS (DE) [n], CMS-GE [DE] [po], CMS TS 75 (DE) [n], LA-CS 50/CMS (DE) [po], VB-CMS (DE) [n], MFT/3 (CZ) [n], DF 700 EQ w/Seneca Small Mortise Kit (DE) [po], FEIN Multimaster 350 QSL (DE) [n], Bosch 1274DVS w/dust collection, sanding frame,  stand & fence (CH) [n], BOSCH 1590EVS w/dust collection (CH) [n], CS Unitec CS 1445 HEPA extractor <re-branded Starmix ISP 1435 H> (DE) [n], CT SYS (DE) [po], Milwaukee 0302-20 (US) [n], Two (2) Porter Cable 862 (TW) [n], Porter Cable 447 (US) [n], Zyliss Vise (CH) [nos], Hitachi C 8FB (JP) [h], Walko 4 MKII (NL) [nos], Festool MFS 400 w/add-on 700 profiles & router slide (DE) [n]

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Offline Maestronus

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Official press release of the new TID 18
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2020, 05:33 AM »
https://www.festool.de/presse/trade-fair-dachundholz/tid18

Looks like there will also be a pdc+tid set available: https://www.rucne-naradie.sk/vyhledavani/Tid%2018 (don’t mind these probably incorrect prices)
« Last Edit: February 01, 2020, 05:38 AM by Maestronus »
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Offline jimbo51

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2020, 07:35 AM »
Thanks to the IMPACT principle implemented, the TID 18 works without hindsight.

Can someone explain this or do a better translation from the original source?

Does using the TID 18 mean that you never have to look back and think that you could have done a better job driving that last screw.

Offline Maestronus

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2020, 08:29 AM »
Rückdrehmoment is not hindsight. Literally it's 'reverse torque', but a better word is probably recoil or kickback. It's kind of the whole point of impact drivers, no more turning wrists.
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Offline mrB

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2020, 08:29 AM »


there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline TwelvebyTwenty

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2020, 08:57 AM »




That looks like a useful accessory! Wonder if it will fit the corded ETS-EC range?

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2020, 03:04 PM »
Nice, something I will buy the moment it is available.   I've wondered in the past if they had a solution for exactly this.

Offline Spandex

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2020, 04:00 PM »
That looks like a useful accessory! Wonder if it will fit the corded ETS-EC range?
There are separate ETS and ETSC versions.

Link to the kit here, although I imaging the ‘positioning aid’ will be available separately:

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/576680---es-ets125-req-plus-gb240

Offline Spandex

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2020, 04:03 PM »
And there’s also the new Toprock Bluetooth speaker:

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/205720---sys3-bt20-m-137-gb-240v

Considering the size, I can’t believe they didn’t put a dab radio in there. And no shots of the interior, which makes me wonder if it cant be opened to keep your phone safe while it’s connected to charge.

Offline Duck76

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2020, 04:25 PM »
That looks like a useful accessory! Wonder if it will fit the corded ETS-EC range?
There are separate ETS and ETSC versions.

Link to the kit here, although I imaging the ‘positioning aid’ will be available separately:

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/576680---es-ets125-req-plus-gb240

It looks like the positioning aid is available separately... P/N 205316

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/205316---ah-es-etsetsc

Offline cpw

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2020, 04:42 PM »
I wonder if the edge guide will also fit a PRO5.

Offline neeleman

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2020, 04:52 PM »
PRO5 is the same sander as the ETS 125 thus it should fit.
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RTSC400Li | CTL MIDI I | SYSROCK BR10 | SYSLITE KAL II | SV-SYS D14 | DSC-AG125FH | CDD9.6 | SYSLITE DUO | DF700 | HKC55 | TXS2.6 | CTL SYS | CXS2.6 | DWC18 | CTWings | BHC18 | CS50 | CMS-OF | MFT/3 | MFT/3-VL | KS120 | TS55 R | PSC420 | PS420 | BS75 | RAS115 | RO90 | RO150 | RS400 | RTS400 | RS300 | LS130 | DX93 | ETS150/5 | ETS150/3 | OF1010 | OF1400 | OFK500 | MFK700 | T18 | EHL65 | CTL26 | CTL22 | WCR1000 | D27-AS Plug-it | D36 UNI-RS | D36x7 | D50x2.5 | FS800 | FS800/2 | FS1080/2 | FS1400/2 (2x) | FS3000/2 | FSK250 | FSK420 | Gecko Dosh | Toolie | CE-SYS-2010 | RB-SYS CART (2x) | LEV1400 | LEV350 | SYS-MFT
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CHP26 | PDC18 | FLC UNI | VCP260 | DSC-AGP125 | DSC-AGP230 | DSG-AGP125 | DRP16

Offline ScotF

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2020, 07:15 PM »
The sander attachment is pretty cool. Very useful attachment, I think.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2020, 08:41 PM »
I’m glad to see Festool getting more into cordless,  But the elephant in the room seems to be the lack of a cordless router.
I have several little Makita cordless routers and would think if Festool came out with one, a lot of folks would get one. Myself included,
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Offline Gerald_D

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2020, 10:00 PM »
Agreed on a cordless router- although I'd only be interested in a small version.  I have a Bosch pony that I like the size but would be nice if it was cordless.

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Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2020, 11:12 PM »
I‘m still not certain, how Festool would be able to fit a cordless router into the „dustless“ system / narrative.

When I use the MFK, I never had the want for a cordless router. And for a quick chamfer, a block plane does the trick. :)

Offline mrB

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2020, 07:12 AM »
The New SYS-TOPROCK speaker is contained in the SYS lid, so can be swapped to another SYS size also I'd assume.



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Offline bwehman

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2020, 10:31 AM »
I'm super puzzled as to why any manufacturers are designing new products around USB-A. If it had a USB-C port instead, I would 100% buy this.

Offline Spandex

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2020, 04:55 PM »
Out of interest, what would you want to plug into this that can’t use USB-A with an A to C cable? Or are you talking about devices which need PD for higher voltage/current?

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2020, 09:21 PM »
My iPhone. I don't own anything anymore that has a USB-A end on it. MacBook: USB-C; iPad: USB-C; Cameras: USB-C... point is, USB-A started phasing out a year ago at best, four years ago if we go by when Apple started making USB-C-only MacBooks, so it seems silly to make a brand new product with I/O that began it's obsolescence in 2016.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2020, 09:52 PM »
Yeah, USB-C should have been preferred. But I guess - from looking at most of my stuff anyway - there is so much USB-A stuff still around, I bet more people would have complained about USB-C than they do about USB-A. But I'm slow to change anyway.

What I think is more crucial and a bit dated, only 1 amps via the charging port. Even my oldest Varta powerbank can deliver 2.4 (USB-A) ...

Not really missing it, but I could have envisioned a bay to additionally use 18V tool batteries to power it, and maybe one to charge as well when connected to mains. But on the other hand, maybe there's an updated SYS-PH in our future too.

But then again, personally, I think, the way it is, it makes a terrific Systainer to hold personal items/stuff, that you want out of your pockets. Or that you always want on top of your stack. (Not a professional working on sites, theft is not an issue for me!)

I really fell in love with the overall design, backlighted buttons ... looks cool. So I'll be getting one - case closed.  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2020, 10:55 PM »
USB-C is still fairly new, and lots of stuff is not changing over anytime soon (mice, keyboard,  etc). If stuff doesn't have a need for it, there isn't much of a drive to change. The new port almost certainly cost more, and probably has some sort of licensing that is higher than USB1.1

Many ports have come since the first USB ports of the 90s and are gone, it keeps trucking.  Not everyone wants adapters and dongles for everything.

I take more issue with the lack of ports on most new products. Give stuff a boat load of USB ports down the sides and back of everything, plus a real network jack.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2020, 04:13 AM »
For charging, the only difference here is the shape of the connector. You don’t gain anything by having a USB-C port on the charger, even if your device is USB-C. It’s just a different cable.

If Festool fitted a USB-C port, then all the people who didn’t have ‘C to micro’, ‘C to C’ or ‘C to Lightning’ cables would have had to buy one. As it is, some people might need to buy an ‘A to C’ if they only have ‘C to C’ cables. This isn’t a data connection, so it’s not a protocol difference, just a different shaped plug.

As Six-point Socket says, the real issue here is the 1A charging. This is extremely low.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2020, 05:32 AM »
The Sound of Systainer

The new band member in the Festool Sound family is called TOPROCK. The Bluetooth® speaker in the Systainer3 lid combines all the advantages of the Festool Systainer system with excellent sound. Four high-performance loudspeakers in combination with the cleverly designed resonance chamber ensure a clear and voluminous sound. You want more? Then simply connect two TOPROCK to your smartphone and enjoy room-filling stereo sound.

- The Bluetooth® speaker in Systainer format - bottom tool, above music
- Excellent sound thanks to four neodymies speakers and two bass reflex systems
- Bluetooth® 5 with TWS (true wireless stereo) allows room-filling stereo sound
   when connecting two TOPROCK speakers
- Powerbank function: USB output for charging external devices
- Intuitive operation and illuminated buttons
- Operation with built-in battery or power cord


https://www.festool.de/produkte/neuheiten/neuheiten/205502---sys3-bt20-m-137#Functions

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2020, 11:04 AM »
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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2020, 05:12 AM »
TopRock: Can anyone please tell me one good reason why that thing has a fixed battery instead of being fueled by a 18V battery pack?

[blink]

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2020, 05:41 AM »
I suspect the reason is so it can fit into a systainer lid while leaving the whole of the systainer itself free for storage.

Whether you think that’s a good reason is up to you...  ;)

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2020, 06:10 AM »
TopRock: Can anyone please tell me one good reason why that thing has a fixed battery instead of being fueled by a 18V battery pack?

[blink]

I seem to remember that when the SYSROCK BR10 radio/BT speaker came out, there was some criticism that it would only run on AC or 18V battery and did not contain an internal battery.
I guess you can't please everyone (unless you have both, like in the syslite KAL II)


What I find weird though is that a systainer-speaker is called TOPROCK and a loose speaker/radio that you put on top of your systainers is called SYSROCK  [big grin]


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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2020, 06:57 AM »
Maybe because the radio/speaker portion is located in the lid or top of the Systainer.
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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2020, 07:40 AM »
I'm going to wait until I've heard one of these before taking the expensive plunge. Festool are a tool designer and manufacturer after all. Their previous audio offerings don't sound that good IMHO. Worries for me,

1. Its squeezed into the lid, and so I suspect the bass performance will suffer
2. What is the internal battery life? Can the battery be replaced since if it is used every day, the lithium battery will die within two years.
3. Its only a bluetooth speaker, so you need a phone or sysrock to drive it. Used all day, everyday, it will eat into a phone's data allowance.
4. its sound is described as "stereo quality sound". So does one unit provide stereo? It says you can have two to fill a room with stereo sound, but what are those 6 speakers doing in the one unit. I'd hope for some sort of stereo in one box.
5. Can a sys rock be used as a bluetooth source?
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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #60 on: July 04, 2020, 09:05 AM »
3. Its only a bluetooth speaker, so you need a phone or sysrock to drive it. Used all day, everyday, it will eat into a phone's data allowance.

Bluetooth is only between the phone and the speaker, that can't eat into your data allowance, can it?

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Offline Euclid

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #61 on: July 04, 2020, 09:21 AM »
Well, it would if you were streaming the content, music or whatever - rather than stuff you had downloaded, saved or imported. But that wouldn't be the speaker's fault...

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #62 on: July 04, 2020, 10:41 AM »
3. Its only a bluetooth speaker, so you need a phone or sysrock to drive it. Used all day, everyday, it will eat into a phone's data allowance.

Bluetooth is only between the phone and the speaker, that can't eat into your data allowance, can it?

In my experience the preferred source is radio, and so this is where the data usage would come in. Using Spotify etc would also use it up I think. So you've got to manage your phone data usage, keep the unit changed up overnight.

I sent a few questions about it to Festool UK. The response showed they knew less than me about it, and worse they didnt attempt to find out the correct answers.

I really think they ought to stick to tools.
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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #63 on: July 04, 2020, 10:57 AM »
I agree with you AstroKeith.
If: Festool had dressed the inside of the systainer with MDF, and utilised that space as an resonance chamber. That would have been something. But this is just a veeeery late attempt to join the party with a everyday Bluetooth speaker mounted on a plastic lid connected to a plastic box.

I have the SysRock as a part of a promotion with my Kapex. It is ok for the $59 more that I paid for the Kapex than without. But I would never have paid more. There’s much much better alternatives out there. I got the Makita DAB radio a long time ago, it’s cost was half the SysRock, and the sound is threefold better.
I would look out to see if it shows up as a promotional item.
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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #64 on: July 04, 2020, 11:42 AM »
Think I would prefer the bluetooth speaker to have the speakers in the front of the systainer so it could go anywhere in the stack instead of having to go on top.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #65 on: July 04, 2020, 11:58 AM »
In my experience the preferred source is radio, and so this is where the data usage would come in. Using Spotify etc would also use it up I think. So you've got to manage your phone data usage, keep the unit changed up overnight.

I sent a few questions about it to Festool UK. The response showed they knew less than me about it, and worse they didnt attempt to find out the correct answers.

I really think they ought to stick to tools.

A good site radio is quite normal these days in the line up of a tool manufacturer. I know some radios from Makita, DeWalt, Bosch and Milwaukee, and they're all very good. Festool's attempts are pretty feeble in comparison.

I don't understand why they never made a good radio in a Sys 2 format, with big stereo speakers in it. The DeWalt and Milwaukee radios around that size are excellent. But Festool only gives you this beercan sized Sysrock with a mono speaker. No thanks.

This bluetooth speaker does need an external audio source to drive it. But you can hardly blame them for giving you a piece of equipment that uses the latest technologies. Whether you're gonna use up your data plan or not is your choice, there are other ways to get music. I got 30 GB in mp3's on my phone. You can also listen through WiFi when that's available, and not every data plan is that costly these days.
 
By the way, I would never buy this or use this. I doubt an empty systainer makes a good resonance box for a speaker. And as many Festool things, it is way to expensive for what it offers. I think Festool systainers make good toolboxes, but are not suited as a base for every single thing you can imagine. I have two entry level studio monitors which I carry in a sys3 to the site, and they give me a better sound hooked up to my phone than this TopRock can ever produce, for less than half the price.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #66 on: July 04, 2020, 04:04 PM »
I have two entry level studio monitors which I carry in a sys3 to the site, and they give me a better sound hooked up to my phone than this TopRock can ever produce, for less than half the price.
Do you have a link to these monitors?

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #67 on: July 09, 2020, 03:55 AM »
I'm a bit of a BOSE fan...but having played with the TopRock for a while now i can confirm its pretty darn good and of course if your feeling splash you can buy two and link em up to get some pretty good stereo! and of course its just a sys top so will pop on your other sys3 stuff. again  Don't knock it till you've seen it? [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #68 on: July 09, 2020, 04:13 AM »
I have two entry level studio monitors which I carry in a sys3 to the site, and they give me a better sound hooked up to my phone than this TopRock can ever produce, for less than half the price.
Do you have a link to these monitors?

@Gregor, sorry didn't see your question before.

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Offline AstroKeith

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #69 on: July 09, 2020, 05:03 AM »
I'm a bit of a BOSE fan...but having played with the TopRock for a while now i can confirm its pretty darn good and of course if your feeling splash you can buy two and link em up to get some pretty good stereo! and of course its just a sys top so will pop on your other sys3 stuff. again  Don't knock it till you've seen it? [big grin] [big grin]
Hi,
perhaps you can answer a question Festool UK failed to. What is "stereo quality sound"? A single TopRock is supposed to have this. A single unit has 6 speakers in it, so does it on its own produce stereo? (albeit not so good as having two units of course).

Also can a SysRock be used as a bluetooth source for a TopRock?

TIA
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Offline Gregor

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #70 on: July 09, 2020, 05:14 AM »
sorry didn't see your question before.
No worries, nothing urgent.

Thanks for the link, price-wise it looks way more interesting. Though having bluetooth and operating on batteries is certainly a plus, to not trip over cables.

But product-wise the Festool offering would been more interesting would they not be in the form of a systainer lid but:

- as a box (current thickness is OK) with integrated kickstand for floors and a hook to hang on walls
- fitting snugly inside normal systainers for transport
- fitting inside an systainer³ attic lid top (instead of the flap)
- can attach a 18V battery (in case days get longer) with the ability to charge the internal battery from the external one
- multiple ones stack with an electrical an connection so they all can be charged using just one cable / wall wart (or from one 18V battery)
- list price would be reasonable for two of these in a bundle

Then I could see myself buying them, as they would be versatile.
But as a systainer lid for 200 bucks per pop...? Not that likely.

Offline JimH2

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #71 on: July 09, 2020, 09:53 AM »
I'm going to wait until I've heard one of these before taking the expensive plunge. Festool are a tool designer and manufacturer after all. Their previous audio offerings don't sound that good IMHO. Worries for me,

1. Its squeezed into the lid, and so I suspect the bass performance will suffer
2. What is the internal battery life? Can the battery be replaced since if it is used every day, the lithium battery will die within two years.
3. Its only a bluetooth speaker, so you need a phone or sysrock to drive it. Used all day, everyday, it will eat into a phone's data allowance.
4. its sound is described as "stereo quality sound". So does one unit provide stereo? It says you can have two to fill a room with stereo sound, but what are those 6 speakers doing in the one unit. I'd hope for some sort of stereo in one box.
5. Can a sys rock be used as a bluetooth source?

No need to wait as the design compromised the quality before it was off the drawing board. Clipping on top of a systainer is the only benefit I can see. You can do a lot better for 1/2 the money.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2020, 09:36 AM »
I'm a bit of a BOSE fan...but having played with the TopRock for a while now i can confirm its pretty darn good and of course if your feeling splash you can buy two and link em up to get some pretty good stereo! and of course its just a sys top so will pop on your other sys3 stuff. again  Don't knock it till you've seen it? [big grin] [big grin]
Hi,
perhaps you can answer a question Festool UK failed to. What is "stereo quality sound"? A single TopRock is supposed to have this. A single unit has 6 speakers in it, so does it on its own produce stereo? (albeit not so good as having two units of course).

Also can a SysRock be used as a bluetooth source for a TopRock?

TIA
Keith

I'll try my best to answer!
I'd say its definitely stereo! How you actually define it I'm no expert but as i said i have a £300 BOSE Speaker of similar size and this is comparable!
Compared to the Sys-Rok this is night and day.

Compared to to the other "Site Radios" out there I'd say the sound quality is more akin to what you'd expect for in your living room from Sonos or BOSE. To be fair on price in UK they are all £100 plus and indeed nigh on £200 for Dewalt so in our opinion the moneys right.

pass on if it can "fed" from the Sys-rok I doubt it. I will try at some point.

But hey I'm just a humble dealer [unsure]

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2020, 09:46 AM »
I'm a bit of a BOSE fan...but having played with the TopRock for a while now i can confirm its pretty darn good and of course if your feeling splash you can buy two and link em up to get some pretty good stereo! and of course its just a sys top so will pop on your other sys3 stuff. again  Don't knock it till you've seen it? [big grin] [big grin]
Hi,
perhaps you can answer a question Festool UK failed to. What is "stereo quality sound"? A single TopRock is supposed to have this. A single unit has 6 speakers in it, so does it on its own produce stereo? (albeit not so good as having two units of course).

Also can a SysRock be used as a bluetooth source for a TopRock?

TIA
Keith

I'll try my best to answer!
I'd say its definitely stereo! How you actually define it I'm no expert but as i said i have a £300 BOSE Speaker of similar size and this is comparable!
Compared to the Sys-Rok this is night and day.

Compared to to the other "Site Radios" out there I'd say the sound quality is more akin to what you'd expect for in your living room from Sonos or BOSE. To be fair on price in UK they are all £100 plus and indeed nigh on £200 for Dewalt so in our opinion the moneys right.

pass on if it can "fed" from the Sys-rok I doubt it. I will try at some point.

But hey I'm just a humble dealer [unsure]

Thanks for this. A bit more positive!
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Offline Mr Speaker

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2020, 05:18 AM »
As someone who just 3 months ago bought a SYSROCK, I think there should be a generous trade in option.. And for gen II, they should have the USB port also on the inside, as I would put this TOPROCK top on a SYSHUB bottom and charge a phone inside the Systainer. I do not understand why the phone charging would be done outside the systainer. But I am interested in the sound quality.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #75 on: September 03, 2020, 09:27 AM »
Festool has just released a new limited edition Set.

https://www.festool.se/produkter/nyheter/nyheter/205746---inst-sys3orgm89

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2020, 03:23 PM »
I just received news from a Festool rep that the Positioning Aid, 205316, will NOT be available on October 1st but will be delayed until at least November 1st.   [sad]

Also mentioned was they had product to fill only 1/3 of the pre-orders so the rest of the pre-orders would be filled at a later date.   [eek]

Shades of the PRO 5 saga.




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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2020, 05:09 PM »
No matter what reason they're going to give for the delay (if true), I'll take it. But please, please don't blame it on Covid-19 or the supply chain.

The sky is not falling with delays like that. I was hoping to use it for a project due for final sanding around the first week of Oct. I guess I'll resort to hand sanding -- for one more time.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2020, 06:54 PM »
We’re seeing September releases pushed to October here too. So a month forward all over the supply chain seems plausible.
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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2020, 01:19 AM »
Festool has just released a new limited edition Set.

https://www.festool.se/produkter/nyheter/nyheter/205746---inst-sys3orgm89

Interesting bit of kit, thanks for sharing! Hopefully doesn’t fall victim to the NAINA. Always enjoy the limited sets Festool produces

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #80 on: September 11, 2020, 01:56 AM »
Always enjoy the limited sets Festool produces
I never did, especially not with the ingredients not available as spares.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #81 on: September 11, 2020, 04:57 AM »
Festool has just released a new limited edition Set.

https://www.festool.se/produkter/nyheter/nyheter/205746---inst-sys3orgm89

Interesting bit of kit, thanks for sharing! Hopefully doesn’t fall victim to the NAINA. Always enjoy the limited sets Festool produces

I see it on the UK website too, but not the USA one.
seeing as the hex keys and spanners are metric, I suspect it wont be released in the US.

Its a nice set, but these are tools I need to have to hand immediately and hence in my shop are on the wall. If I'm away doing a job then they are the sort of tools I throw in a caddy. Don't think I'll be spending £200 on this.
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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2020, 09:43 AM »
I never did, especially not with the ingredients not available as spares.

+1 on that front.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #83 on: September 14, 2020, 09:49 AM »
Interesting bit of kit, thanks for sharing! Hopefully doesn’t fall victim to the NAINA. Always enjoy the limited sets Festool produces

It's available in the US and Canada.

https://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-205316-edge-sanding-guide-for-ets-etsc-125-sanders.html
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