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Offline TinyShop

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Offline Maestronus

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Official press release of the new TID 18
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2020, 05:33 AM »
https://www.festool.de/presse/trade-fair-dachundholz/tid18

Looks like there will also be a pdc+tid set available: https://www.rucne-naradie.sk/vyhledavani/Tid%2018 (don’t mind these probably incorrect prices)
« Last Edit: February 01, 2020, 05:38 AM by Maestronus »
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Offline jimbo51

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2020, 07:35 AM »
Thanks to the IMPACT principle implemented, the TID 18 works without hindsight.

Can someone explain this or do a better translation from the original source?

Does using the TID 18 mean that you never have to look back and think that you could have done a better job driving that last screw.

Offline Maestronus

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2020, 08:29 AM »
Rückdrehmoment is not hindsight. Literally it's 'reverse torque', but a better word is probably recoil or kickback. It's kind of the whole point of impact drivers, no more turning wrists.
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Offline mrB

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2020, 08:29 AM »


there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline TwelvebyTwenty

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2020, 08:57 AM »




That looks like a useful accessory! Wonder if it will fit the corded ETS-EC range?

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2020, 03:04 PM »
Nice, something I will buy the moment it is available.   I've wondered in the past if they had a solution for exactly this.

Offline Spandex

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2020, 04:00 PM »
That looks like a useful accessory! Wonder if it will fit the corded ETS-EC range?
There are separate ETS and ETSC versions.

Link to the kit here, although I imaging the ‘positioning aid’ will be available separately:

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/576680---es-ets125-req-plus-gb240

Offline Spandex

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2020, 04:03 PM »
And there’s also the new Toprock Bluetooth speaker:

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/205720---sys3-bt20-m-137-gb-240v

Considering the size, I can’t believe they didn’t put a dab radio in there. And no shots of the interior, which makes me wonder if it cant be opened to keep your phone safe while it’s connected to charge.

Offline Duck76

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2020, 04:25 PM »
That looks like a useful accessory! Wonder if it will fit the corded ETS-EC range?
There are separate ETS and ETSC versions.

Link to the kit here, although I imaging the ‘positioning aid’ will be available separately:

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products/new-products/576680---es-ets125-req-plus-gb240

It looks like the positioning aid is available separately... P/N 205316

https://www.festool.co.uk/accessory/205316---ah-es-etsetsc

Offline cpw

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2020, 04:42 PM »
I wonder if the edge guide will also fit a PRO5.

Offline neeleman

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2020, 04:52 PM »
PRO5 is the same sander as the ETS 125 thus it should fit.
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Offline ScotF

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2020, 07:15 PM »
The sander attachment is pretty cool. Very useful attachment, I think.

Online pettyconstruction

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2020, 08:41 PM »
I’m glad to see Festool getting more into cordless,  But the elephant in the room seems to be the lack of a cordless router.
I have several little Makita cordless routers and would think if Festool came out with one, a lot of folks would get one. Myself included,
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Offline Gerald_D

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2020, 10:00 PM »
Agreed on a cordless router- although I'd only be interested in a small version.  I have a Bosch pony that I like the size but would be nice if it was cordless.

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Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2020, 11:12 PM »
I‘m still not certain, how Festool would be able to fit a cordless router into the „dustless“ system / narrative.

When I use the MFK, I never had the want for a cordless router. And for a quick chamfer, a block plane does the trick. :)

Offline mrB

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2020, 07:12 AM »
The New SYS-TOPROCK speaker is contained in the SYS lid, so can be swapped to another SYS size also I'd assume.



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Offline bwehman

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2020, 10:31 AM »
I'm super puzzled as to why any manufacturers are designing new products around USB-A. If it had a USB-C port instead, I would 100% buy this.

Offline Spandex

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2020, 04:55 PM »
Out of interest, what would you want to plug into this that can’t use USB-A with an A to C cable? Or are you talking about devices which need PD for higher voltage/current?

Offline bwehman

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2020, 09:21 PM »
My iPhone. I don't own anything anymore that has a USB-A end on it. MacBook: USB-C; iPad: USB-C; Cameras: USB-C... point is, USB-A started phasing out a year ago at best, four years ago if we go by when Apple started making USB-C-only MacBooks, so it seems silly to make a brand new product with I/O that began it's obsolescence in 2016.

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2020, 09:52 PM »
Yeah, USB-C should have been preferred. But I guess - from looking at most of my stuff anyway - there is so much USB-A stuff still around, I bet more people would have complained about USB-C than they do about USB-A. But I'm slow to change anyway.

What I think is more crucial and a bit dated, only 1 amps via the charging port. Even my oldest Varta powerbank can deliver 2.4 (USB-A) ...

Not really missing it, but I could have envisioned a bay to additionally use 18V tool batteries to power it, and maybe one to charge as well when connected to mains. But on the other hand, maybe there's an updated SYS-PH in our future too.

But then again, personally, I think, the way it is, it makes a terrific Systainer to hold personal items/stuff, that you want out of your pockets. Or that you always want on top of your stack. (Not a professional working on sites, theft is not an issue for me!)

I really fell in love with the overall design, backlighted buttons ... looks cool. So I'll be getting one - case closed.  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2020, 10:55 PM »
USB-C is still fairly new, and lots of stuff is not changing over anytime soon (mice, keyboard,  etc). If stuff doesn't have a need for it, there isn't much of a drive to change. The new port almost certainly cost more, and probably has some sort of licensing that is higher than USB1.1

Many ports have come since the first USB ports of the 90s and are gone, it keeps trucking.  Not everyone wants adapters and dongles for everything.

I take more issue with the lack of ports on most new products. Give stuff a boat load of USB ports down the sides and back of everything, plus a real network jack.

Offline Spandex

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2020, 04:13 AM »
For charging, the only difference here is the shape of the connector. You don’t gain anything by having a USB-C port on the charger, even if your device is USB-C. It’s just a different cable.

If Festool fitted a USB-C port, then all the people who didn’t have ‘C to micro’, ‘C to C’ or ‘C to Lightning’ cables would have had to buy one. As it is, some people might need to buy an ‘A to C’ if they only have ‘C to C’ cables. This isn’t a data connection, so it’s not a protocol difference, just a different shaped plug.

As Six-point Socket says, the real issue here is the 1A charging. This is extremely low.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2020, 05:32 AM »
The Sound of Systainer

The new band member in the Festool Sound family is called TOPROCK. The Bluetooth® speaker in the Systainer3 lid combines all the advantages of the Festool Systainer system with excellent sound. Four high-performance loudspeakers in combination with the cleverly designed resonance chamber ensure a clear and voluminous sound. You want more? Then simply connect two TOPROCK to your smartphone and enjoy room-filling stereo sound.

- The Bluetooth® speaker in Systainer format - bottom tool, above music
- Excellent sound thanks to four neodymies speakers and two bass reflex systems
- Bluetooth® 5 with TWS (true wireless stereo) allows room-filling stereo sound
   when connecting two TOPROCK speakers
- Powerbank function: USB output for charging external devices
- Intuitive operation and illuminated buttons
- Operation with built-in battery or power cord


https://www.festool.de/produkte/neuheiten/neuheiten/205502---sys3-bt20-m-137#Functions

€210.00 RRP excl. VAT
« Last Edit: July 03, 2020, 05:37 AM by Bob D. »
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Offline Cheese

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2020, 11:04 AM »
« Last Edit: July 04, 2020, 10:06 AM by Cheese »

Offline Gregor

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2020, 05:12 AM »
TopRock: Can anyone please tell me one good reason why that thing has a fixed battery instead of being fueled by a 18V battery pack?

[blink]

Offline Spandex

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2020, 05:41 AM »
I suspect the reason is so it can fit into a systainer lid while leaving the whole of the systainer itself free for storage.

Whether you think that’s a good reason is up to you...  ;)

Offline wpz

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2020, 06:10 AM »
TopRock: Can anyone please tell me one good reason why that thing has a fixed battery instead of being fueled by a 18V battery pack?

[blink]

I seem to remember that when the SYSROCK BR10 radio/BT speaker came out, there was some criticism that it would only run on AC or 18V battery and did not contain an internal battery.
I guess you can't please everyone (unless you have both, like in the syslite KAL II)


What I find weird though is that a systainer-speaker is called TOPROCK and a loose speaker/radio that you put on top of your systainers is called SYSROCK  [big grin]


wpz

Offline Bob D.

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2020, 06:57 AM »
Maybe because the radio/speaker portion is located in the lid or top of the Systainer.
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Offline AstroKeith

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Re: What's New for Festool in 2020
« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2020, 07:40 AM »
I'm going to wait until I've heard one of these before taking the expensive plunge. Festool are a tool designer and manufacturer after all. Their previous audio offerings don't sound that good IMHO. Worries for me,

1. Its squeezed into the lid, and so I suspect the bass performance will suffer
2. What is the internal battery life? Can the battery be replaced since if it is used every day, the lithium battery will die within two years.
3. Its only a bluetooth speaker, so you need a phone or sysrock to drive it. Used all day, everyday, it will eat into a phone's data allowance.
4. its sound is described as "stereo quality sound". So does one unit provide stereo? It says you can have two to fill a room with stereo sound, but what are those 6 speakers doing in the one unit. I'd hope for some sort of stereo in one box.
5. Can a sys rock be used as a bluetooth source?
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