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Offline Rollin22Petes

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VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« on: December 03, 2021, 01:15 PM »
Does anybody know the official word on this, Toolnut says its permanently dicontinued as of December 1, others say its  not orderable, and even others show a ship date of January or Feburary. I was finally going to purchase one and this happens just my luck. Does anyone know of a good alternative ? Thanks, Chris

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Offline Packard

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2021, 01:28 PM »

Offline DynaGlide

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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2021, 01:31 PM »
I'm pretty surprised by this - was there an announcement? This is their best tool as it is useful to any woodworker regardless of their Festool affiliation.
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2021, 01:37 PM »
Yeah I know you can cobble something together with other company's products. I just like the robustness of the Vac Sys pivoting head.
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Offline Rollin22Petes

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2021, 01:38 PM »
Yeah it kinda surprised me also, no announcement that know of. I've seen some of the systems Packard referred too but they just don't offer the versatility of the Vac sys especially the pivoting heads.   

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2021, 01:39 PM »
I suspect it's just an error as right underneath the discontinued notice is a notice that states: "Pre-Order - Ships on January 24, 2022 - Subject to Change"

It's still listed on the Festool USA site.

I'm sure @Shane Holland can clarify.

Offline DynaGlide

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2021, 01:40 PM »
I suspect it's just an error

Here's hoping. I always tell people if I had to keep only one Festool, it'd be the vac sys. I use it on every project.
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Offline elfick

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2021, 01:44 PM »
It may be that Festool is no longer including VAC SYS SE 2 in 203149. I see the VAC SYS SE 2 listed on the Toolnut site but not on the Festool site as being part of that SKU.

Offline Rollin22Petes

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2021, 01:52 PM »
It is a bit confusing hopefully Shane or somebody at Festool can shed some light on the situation. I order a lot of stuff from Highland woodworking as there so close it's only a one day ship, and they have taken the sets,the pumps,and the heads completely off there site.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2021, 01:55 PM »
Some dealers may have inventory in stock or in transit, but we are sold out of the VAC-SYS with the exception of one of the head units.

The official word from FUSA is...

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Due to continued supply chain pressure, Festool is permanently phasing out our Vac-Sys Clamping Systems. All major Vac-Sys components have permanently ceased production and final inventory is in transit to North America.
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Offline Rollin22Petes

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2021, 01:59 PM »
Not what I wanted to hear, but Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2021, 02:07 PM »
My local Lee Valley still has limited quantities of the system/set available. But their website is still taking US/Canadian orders for delivery expected in Dec. and Jan., apparently drawing from the inventory that's in transit to N.A.

I had been eyeing this sys for a while, but decided that it doesn't match the way I work. 
« Last Edit: December 03, 2021, 02:11 PM by ChuckS »

Offline squall_line

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2021, 02:49 PM »
 [eek] [eek]

Another line item in the list of tools I'm glad I purchased this year, but also a bit worried because now it's a orphan/unicorn.

See also: CMS Router Table.

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Offline jonnyrocket

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2021, 03:25 PM »
This is one of those tools that la hard to fully appreciate how great it is until you start using it. I picked up the basic version on the recon site 2 years ago and have been considering getting the second head for it.

Offline fignewton

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2021, 03:28 PM »
Some dealers may have inventory in stock or in transit, but we are sold out of the VAC-SYS with the exception of one of the head units.

The official word from FUSA is...

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Due to continued supply chain pressure, Festool is permanently phasing out our Vac-Sys Clamping Systems. All major Vac-Sys components have permanently ceased production and final inventory is in transit to North America.
Holy crapola!  I'd been waiting for them to come back in stock somewhere to order and now this. [mad]  I wanted one and the different head set to go with it. 
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2021, 03:31 PM »
This is one of those tools that la hard to fully appreciate how great it is until you start using it. I picked up the basic version on the recon site 2 years ago and have been considering getting the second head for it.

I've never found a need for the 2nd head. Now i'm considering one, just in case?
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Offline Gerald_D

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2021, 03:40 PM »
Wow- this is surprising.  This has become an invaluable tool in my shop.  I have both heads and, while I don’t use the SE-2 often, it does get used. 

Hope if you are looking that you are able to find before they are no longer available.

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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2021, 04:46 PM »
I've never found a need for the 2nd head. Now i'm considering one, just in case?

Better sooner than later Matt...TN had 2 of them in stock, they now only have one left.  [big grin]

Offline MrToolJunkie

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2021, 05:47 PM »
Wow...I agree, this tool is invaluable.

Offline DynaGlide

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2021, 06:07 PM »
I've never found a need for the 2nd head. Now i'm considering one, just in case?

Better sooner than later Matt...TN had 2 of them in stock, they now only have one left.  [big grin]

I'll hold out for the discontinued discount @Cheese  [wink]
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Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2021, 10:29 PM »
I'll hold out for the discontinued discount @Cheese  [wink]

Nicely played Matt..  [thumbs up]

Offline Stan Tillinghast

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2021, 11:13 PM »
Well, thanks again for the heads up, gentlemen.
I've ordered from Lee Valley, backordered but expected 12/13/21.
This was already on my next to buy list, thanks to the recommendations of all of you.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2021, 05:19 AM »
I was not in the market for the Vac-Sys but I am sad to see it disappear from the ranks of the exceptional Festool product line.

For those that have one or one on order from that last remaining stock, I wonder what the support situation is now. If they can't source enough parts to build new where will they get parts to maintain systems previously sold.

I don't know if there are any consumable items, but the seal around the perimeter seems like something that could be damaged during use or may require replacement from time to time. Hoses, O-rings, and that sort should be easy enough to find alternate sources for if need be.

If there are wear parts or consumables it might pay to assess future need and stock up if/while you still can.

Or maybe @Shane Holland can shed light on what the spare parts situation might be going forward.
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Offline Vondawg

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2021, 07:09 AM »
I was thinking the same thing…how does one fix or get parts in the future
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline manuc

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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2021, 07:29 AM »
I'll hold out for the discontinued discount @Cheese  [wink]

Nicely played Matt..  [thumbs up]
I’m not sure if these will be discounted given the limited stock. Similar to the router table. I ordered a second head unit since I wanted one but thought I would have more time… [sad]

Offline jhall

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« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2021, 08:08 AM »
I noticed the vac sys was mia at the festool live on Friday.   I wonder if that means they have to go back to a time without.   My understanding of discontinued tools is they keep a supply of parts for repair for some time.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2021, 08:50 AM »
That's funny. Yesterday was the first time that I actually wished I had one in the shop. I was doing some edgebanding, by hand, on some fairly small parts that had curved edges. They were too small to clamp from the surface and the curve going around a 90 angle made it impossible to clamp from the edges.
I ended up making a fixture to hold a MFK700 upside-down and stationary. This way I could move the parts over the tool, instead of the usual.
There have been other times when it would have been handy, but a work-around wasn't so big of a deal either. This time, it took as long to build the fixture as I actually needed to use it, but I will have it for future use, so not a big loss either.
Still would be nice to have a Vac-Sys though.
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Offline afish

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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2021, 09:38 AM »
I agree,  The vac sys looks really handy for doing hand applied edge banding.  I built my own vac sys and rarely use it.  Just goes to show everyone is different I guess.  I have went back and forth on buying one many times just to have and a few things turn me off from it. Id like that super narrow pod but it looks like I have to buy a whole kit which is pricey and the rubber cups if or when the rubber dries, cracks etc. is like 70 bucks each and I could only find the part# for the main round pod.  I didnt go into super sleuth mode but I did look for the others.  Im not trying to get stuck with something that is unrepairable in the future. Im also not sold on the foot pedal. I know I could change that over to a switch like I use on my other stuff but... For now I just make my own simple vacuum pods that plug into the MFT holes if I need some vacuum clamping.  They are easy to make and the rubber cord probably only cost 70 cents not 70 bucks.  The vac sys is still a nice system though.  I wouldnt buy the pump though.  I know its quiet but I dont need or want some motor that is running continuously.  My old senco air compressor is converted into a vacuum pump and sits there silently holding about 25" of mercury 24/7 and only cycles when needed.  I would probably put the 700 towards a vacupress pump

 

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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2021, 10:05 AM »
Not that I want this product, but I find it hard to understand the given reason for the discontinuation of this product. Supply chain issues affect all kinds of products including automobiles, and I know of no other products going into retirement with supply chain difficulties, a temporary condition, being stated as the justification. There should be more behind the story, which, of course, we probably won't know in the end.

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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2021, 10:15 AM »
Not that I want this product, but I find it hard to understand the given reason for the discontinuation of this product. Supply chain issues affect all kinds of products including automobiles, and I know of no other products going into retirement with supply chain difficulties, a temporary condition, being stated as the justification. There should be more behind the story, which, of course, we probably won't know in the end.

I mean, they were still selling it in a Classic Systainer, so it's not like they've updated it for a long time.  The owner's manual still shows the original Systainer-mounted pump rather than the stand-alone pump.  I wouldn't be surprised if there was regulatory pressure that required a major re-design that they decided wasn't financially worth it, like the CMS system.

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2021, 10:19 AM »
I'm already in a big shop with plenty of random sound going on, so the quiet aspect means nothing to me. The ability to hold small parts, fully exposed on the edges, is attractive though.
Most of what I do is large or oddly shaped.
Edgebanding of typical parts gets done on a machine that costs more than my house. It does straight, simple stuff very quickly, but it cannot do angles or curves. That kind of stuff has to be done by hand.
I do have access to a Cantek portable unit, that can do radius edges, but even that can't do 45 degree clipped corners. However, it only applies the edging, you still have to flush trim it off.
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Offline afish

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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2021, 10:29 AM »
As with any large co. The real reason is the bottom line. I think the VAc sys while its really loved by some is a pretty slow seller.  I remember reading here some people had bought a brand new unit and the mfr. date was already several years old.  This tells me its been sitting on some shelf for years.  The cost vs. reward for the tool is hard to justify for most.  Coupled with increasing hard parts to source it was probably just decided to pull the plug and focus on other items.  If it had been a top seller Im sure they would make every effort to continue. 

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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2021, 10:31 AM »
Suspending production until parts are available would seem to be a more appropriate response, unless sales are so low they can't justify keeping it in the lineup and are taking advantage of the pandemic to sideline the item. Maybe there is an economic or tax-savings angle to doing that now vice keep it active with minimal sales numbers.

Either way if there is still a market for a tool like this someone will step up and fill the void with a similar product.
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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2021, 10:41 AM »
Interestingly enough, it appears that TN knows what they'll be getting and when it will arrive.

203148 single head system.....OUT OF STOCK
203149 dual head system.....Pre-Order - Ships on January 24, 2022 - Subject to Change
201065 SE 1 head.....Pre-Order - Ships on February 25, 2022 - Subject to Change
580062 SE 2 head.....Pre-Order - Ships on January 01, 2022 - Subject to Change
201064 Vacuum pump.....Pre-Order - Ships on January 01, 2022 - Subject to Change

Offline Rollin22Petes

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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2021, 11:02 AM »
So I've done a little research and think I found something similar that will work (at least for me) It's the Virutex multiple fastening system, it uses compressed air instead of a vacuum, but is a very simple and affordable design that tilts and swivels.  You can also add multiple head units and get an option so you can vacuum it down to a work surface, it also uses a readily available rubber seal on the head.

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2021, 11:12 AM »
Unfortunate but serves as a reminder to get what you can while you can, even more so now with constant "supply chain" issues and businesses everywhere adapting / streamlining to survive and prosper as best they can.

I have the VacSys with two heads and the accessories, it was expensive but has been a very handy product and my only wish is that I had gotten it sooner.  Hopefully support will be there at least for a while.

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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2021, 01:11 PM »
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Festool is permanently phasing out our Vac-Sys

Interesting word choice, there.  Perhaps the folks in Lebanon didn't translate the translation ?


I'll hold out for the discontinued discount @Cheese  [wink]

Nicely played Matt..  [thumbs up]

If they actually are marked down.  If not you might just miss the boat and have to buy one on the secondary market.  For more $$$.

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I wonder what the support situation is now. If they can't source enough parts to build new where will they get parts to maintain systems previously sold.

Very good question.  They're required by german law to carry parts for a specified amt of time, but I'm not sure if a out clause exists.   Even so, stocking up only works for some parts.  Old rubber is still old and stiff even if it hasn't been used.

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I noticed the vac sys was mia at the festool live on Friday.   I wonder if that means they have to go back to a time without.   My understanding of discontinued tools is they keep a supply of parts for repair for some time.

Not surprising.  That's an advertisement.  No sense pitching something you don't sell.



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but I find it hard to understand the given reason for the discontinuation of this product. Supply chain issues affect all kinds of products including automobiles, and I know of no other products going into retirement with supply chain difficulties, a temporary condition, being stated as the justification. There should be more behind the story, which, of course, we probably won't know in the end

Between the lines it seems like "we don't sell enough of these to deal with the hassle and growth potential is practically nil.  Just tell em it's Covid or Supply Chain issues - they won't argue or complain " 

Does anyone know if they source this from an outside company like they do with the quick clamps and multi tool ???  I always assumed it all came from their sibling co. Festo, who's entire biz is pneumatics.


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I mean, they were still selling it in a Classic Systainer,

The reason for this was discussed years ago and IIRC had to do with electrical regulations and certification.  T-loc wasn't feasible for whatever reason.




     

Offline presidentsdad

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« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2021, 01:29 PM »
YIKES! I was already thinking about buying one.  Better get on the stick and start calling! :)
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2021, 01:29 PM »
As with any large co. The real reason is the bottom line. I think the VAc sys while its really loved by some is a pretty slow seller.  I remember reading here some people had bought a brand new unit and the mfr. date was already several years old.  This tells me its been sitting on some shelf for years.  The cost vs. reward for the tool is hard to justify for most.  Coupled with increasing hard parts to source it was probably just decided to pull the plug and focus on other items.  If it had been a top seller Im sure they would make every effort to continue.

I have found that to be true even in some of the more popular items too. Off of the top of my head, the only thing (date coded) tools that I have which were purchased it the year they were made, are my DF500 and the RO125.  The RAS115 was already 3 years old when I bought it and the TS75 was 2, everything else was at least the previous year, and most of it was purchased in Sept of 19, so most of that year was gone. That is well before the supply chain issues came up.
I just figured that this was rather standard for a lower volume product/brand.
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Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2021, 01:30 PM »
So I've done a little research and think I found something similar that will work (at least for me) It's the Virutex multiple fastening system, it uses compressed air instead of a vacuum, but is a very simple and affordable design that tilts and swivels.  You can also add multiple head units and get an option so you can vacuum it down to a work surface, it also uses a readily available rubber seal on the head.

It still uses vacuum it just uses compressed air through a venturi to create the vacuum.  They work but from what I understand they need a good sized compressor.  It is a viable option.  Its also easy to convert an old compressor if you already have one.  I had 3 compressors at one point.  I sold one and was trying to sell the small emglo/senco compressor which is a good compressor but its not really worth much since everyone is going to cordless nail guns (which is why I had it and no longer needed it) then it dawned on me to turn it into a vacuum pump.  Very happy it occurred to me before I gave it away.  As far as being in a noisy environment so sound isnt an issue that may be true but if it was me I know I would end up leaving it running and forgetting to turn it off eventually shortening its life.  I personally fail to see any situation where a motor running constantly is better than one that cycles on/off as needed.  Unless it was something that was constantly cycling on and off but with something like a compressor or vacuum pump that only cycles occasionally its a no go.  I use mine for vacuum pressing too so running a pump needlessly for hours on end isnt in the cards.  While I understand that festool didnt intend for their pump to be used for anything other than clamping I dont need multiples of the same thing for dedicated tasks either.  Space is a premium for me and the only thing stopping me from buying more tools is space so I need to be as streamlined as possible.  The small pucks work just as well for work holding are simple to make and can be made in any shape or size, they do lack the full swivel capabilities of the vac sys but its not real hard to hit the lever and turn the part.     

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2021, 01:33 PM »
I ordered the complete set (pump and both heads) from TN a couple of weeks ago. Arrived a couple of days later. Glad I did. It's already seen a lot of use in my little shop. So far, I love it.
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Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2021, 01:37 PM »
As with any large co. The real reason is the bottom line. I think the VAc sys while its really loved by some is a pretty slow seller.  I remember reading here some people had bought a brand new unit and the mfr. date was already several years old.  This tells me its been sitting on some shelf for years.  The cost vs. reward for the tool is hard to justify for most.  Coupled with increasing hard parts to source it was probably just decided to pull the plug and focus on other items.  If it had been a top seller Im sure they would make every effort to continue.

I have found that to be true even in some of the more popular items too. Off of the top of my head, the only thing (date coded) tools that I have which were purchased it the year they were made, are my DF500 and the RO125.  The RAS115 was already 3 years old when I bought it and the TS75 was 2, everything else was at least the previous year, and most of it was purchased in Sept of 19, so most of that year was gone. That is well before the supply chain issues came up.
I just figured that this was rather standard for a lower volume product/brand.

Well, I dont think its a coincidence that the tool that had the longest interval (ras115) is also discontinued.  Also while the 75 isa great saw the 55 is waaaay more popular and a better seller by far so while I would expect some extra shelf time with the 75 two years is a little surprising.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2021, 01:55 PM »
The venturi-vac would definitely be the way to go for me. In the big shop there is an unlimited supply of air. Maybe I should just be looking into the module and heads? The long skinny one could be very useful at times.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2021, 02:43 PM »
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I noticed the vac sys was mia at the festool live on Friday.   I wonder if that means they have to go back to a time without.   My understanding of discontinued tools is they keep a supply of parts for repair for some time.

Not surprising.  That's an advertisement.  No sense pitching something you don't sell.

They did an entire segment on polishing headlamps with polishing products that were already discontinued, so the idea of pitching something you don't sell maybe isn't in their vocabulary.  Unless they learned from the commentary on that episode and its implications that maybe you don't do that again.

I can't imagine completely removing the Vac Sys from Festool Live episodes, even if it's discontinued, but I would understand removing it.  I would love to see some of the past episodes re-shot without it just to see how the workflow changes.

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« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2021, 03:23 PM »
The venturi-vac would definitely be the way to go for me. In the big shop there is an unlimited supply of air. Maybe I should just be looking into the module and heads? The long skinny one could be very useful at times.

The long skinny one is what I was wanting too.  I was just looking at this stuff probably monday or tuesday.  From what I could find its only available in the kit.  I could not find it individually.  I had recently found out that the drawer back for the 89mm drawers I use are just a little narrower than the one I made.  It just fits between the epdm cord.  Here is a couple pics of the proto types I made.  The only thing I changed was making the cup part out of plastic.  The plywood works but you need to seal it up with some wood glue.  I already had the plastic so I just remade them but its kind of pricy so If I didnt already have it I would have just kept the plywood.   

Its not as robust as the vac sys since the frame work is plywood not metal.  I wouldn't try to hand plane with it but it works fine for laminating, routing etc. The cup suction is probably stronger than the plywood.  The heads are interchangeable by just pulling them off and tilts 180° and spins 360° I think I prefer the toggle switch to the foot pedal.  One less thing on the floor and its always right there but to be fair I haven't tried the pedal but looked at them originally and decided on the lever.  using the push to connect fittings makes it easy add or adapt.  The push connect fittings do tend to leak a small amount so I ran 3/8 tubing with barb fittings.  (These are much more leakproof) to several spots in the shop and terminate with a ball valve and push connect fitting.  This way I can just plug into which ever is closest and keep the others closed.  when done its easy to disconnect the the small 1/4" line from the push connect fitting and put it all away.  The compressor you see in the one photo is the one that is switched to vacuum pump prior to finding its permanent home in the shed. 
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« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2021, 03:55 PM »
Also HEREis a complete set of plans with a parts breakdown for building a auto cycling venturi style pump from veneersupplies.com  they sell all the parts on their site. At least pre covid not sure if they have been impacted supply chain wise. 

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« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2021, 04:09 PM »
The venturi-vac would definitely be the way to go for me. In the big shop there is an unlimited supply of air. Maybe I should just be looking into the module and heads? The long skinny one could be very useful at times.

The long skinny one is what I was wanting too.  I was just looking at this stuff probably monday or tuesday.  From what I could find its only available in the kit.  I could not find it individually. 

The cups are all available individually.  The long skinny one is around $160, PN 580065 and the medium oval is $110, PN 580064.  The larger oval that comes with the SE2 is $130, so the total for all 3 individually would be $400. The kit with all three of those pads plus the classic Systainer is only $380.

I already have two large ovals, so I've been debating the kit vs the individual skinny and medium cups for the last two weeks or so.  I'm still on the fence, honestly, but since the prices go up at the first of the year, I'll pull the trigger one way or the other before then.

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« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2021, 04:12 PM »
Thanks for the PN's

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« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2021, 04:27 PM »
The heads are interchangeable by just pulling them off and tilts 180° and spins 360° I think I prefer the toggle switch to the foot pedal.  One less thing on the floor and its always right there but to be fair I haven't tried the pedal but looked at them originally and decided on the lever.  using the push to connect fittings makes it easy add or adapt.  The push connect fittings do tend to leak a small amount so I ran 3/8 tubing with barb fittings.  (These are much more leakproof) to several spots in the shop and terminate with a ball valve and push connect fitting.  This way I can just plug into which ever is closest and keep the others closed.  when done its easy to disconnect the the small 1/4" line from the push connect fitting and put it all away.  The compressor you see in the one photo is the one that is switched to vacuum pump prior to finding its permanent home in the shed.

Very cool!  If and when my pods break, I may look at this again and ask if there are any carving plans for the plywood pieces. :)

Funny thing about "foot pedal", the instructions for the Vac Sys MFT mount actually include mounting the "pedal" upside-down under the right hand side of the MFT and activated by pulling up with your hand rather than pressing down with a foot.  The recommended spot is pretty much the same location as the switch gear on the CMS table.

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« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2021, 04:42 PM »
Does the steel VAS SYS mounting plate that attaches to the frame of the MFT3 also fit the older MFT 1080?

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« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2021, 04:48 PM »
While I have two complete sets and heads, before Festool made them available, I had been using two Virutex units that I installed on bar swivels...which reminds me that I really should sell those.

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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2021, 06:50 PM »
If there are wear parts or consumables it might pay to assess future need and stock up if/while you still can.

Or maybe @Shane Holland can shed light on what the spare parts situation might be going forward.

Festool's general policy is to have spare parts available for many years after a tool is discontinued, I'm unsure if that policy may be impacted by supply chain issues outside of Festool's control. That would be a question for Festool to answer.

However, current indications are that accessories will continue to be available.

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« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2021, 07:33 PM »
The venturi-vac would definitely be the way to go for me. In the big shop there is an unlimited supply of air. Maybe I should just be looking into the module and heads? The long skinny one could be very useful at times.

The long skinny one is what I was wanting too.  I was just looking at this stuff probably monday or tuesday.  From what I could find its only available in the kit.  I could not find it individually.  I had recently found out that the drawer back for the 89mm drawers I use are just a little narrower than the one I made.  It just fits between the epdm cord.  Here is a couple pics of the proto types I made.  The only thing I changed was making the cup part out of plastic.  The plywood works but you need to seal it up with some wood glue.  I already had the plastic so I just remade them but its kind of pricy so If I didnt already have it I would have just kept the plywood.   

Its not as robust as the vac sys since the frame work is plywood not metal.  I wouldn't try to hand plane with it but it works fine for laminating, routing etc. The cup suction is probably stronger than the plywood.  The heads are interchangeable by just pulling them off and tilts 180° and spins 360° I think I prefer the toggle switch to the foot pedal.  One less thing on the floor and its always right there but to be fair I haven't tried the pedal but looked at them originally and decided on the lever.  using the push to connect fittings makes it easy add or adapt.  The push connect fittings do tend to leak a small amount so I ran 3/8 tubing with barb fittings.  (These are much more leakproof) to several spots in the shop and terminate with a ball valve and push connect fitting.  This way I can just plug into which ever is closest and keep the others closed.  when done its easy to disconnect the the small 1/4" line from the push connect fitting and put it all away.  The compressor you see in the one photo is the one that is switched to vacuum pump prior to finding its permanent home in the shed.
This is pretty sweet looking. I do like toggle switch idea!

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« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2021, 08:03 PM »
"However, current indications are that accessories will continue to be available."

That's good to hear, thanks Shane.
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« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2021, 08:19 PM »
im pretty sure its a law that mfr. have to make parts for X amount of years. 7 years rings a bell but im not 100% on that.  however this whole supply chain issue who knows. Im not sure why festool decided to make the cups the way they did. I much prefer the easily replaceable epdm cord that costs pennies to replace if needed. I dont want to call it an industry standard but its a very popular method for vacuum sealing. 

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« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2021, 11:53 PM »
Here in Australia Festool quote 10 years for parts.
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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2021, 09:41 AM »
I think the parts availability thing is 10 years here in the US too, but I have no idea at what point that applies? Certainly that doesn't mean everything? There has to be some criteria, $$ amount or something?
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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2021, 10:20 AM »

Festool's general policy is to have spare parts available for many years after a tool is discontinued, I'm unsure if that policy may be impacted by supply chain issues outside of Festool's control. That would be a question for Festool to answer.

However, current indications are that accessories will continue to be available.


I certainly hope you're right Shane... [unsure]

However, 2 examples come to mind.

All Surfix products have been discontinued except Festool still offers the outdoor oil applicator 498062 and the 5 liter container of outdoor oil 498069. However, the applicator sponges 498070 are no longer available so once you burn through the single sponge that came with the applicator you're toast.

When Festool obsoleted the bench stand for the HL 850 they also quit supplying the scale ring 715167 which allows you to adjust the depth of cut when the HL 850 is mounted in the stand. Without the ring the bench stand is almost worthless. It took me almost 2 years to locate the scale ring because I had misplaced/lost the original one.

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« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2021, 01:06 PM »
Sounds like if you own a vac sys and are looking to sell it…you’ll have no problem…like a good used truck or house these days….
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« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2021, 01:20 PM »
Does the steel VAS SYS mounting plate that attaches to the frame of the MFT3 also fit the older MFT 1080?


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« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2021, 01:21 PM »
Didn't Festool make things in series? So they build up stock, then make stock of another machine, etc.? That would explain older manufacturing dates and things going out of stock.

The CTL'S definitely didn't have old manufacturing dates. But yeah, things like RAS, LS 130; they don't sell that much.

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« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2021, 01:23 PM »
Does the steel VAS SYS mounting plate that attaches to the frame of the MFT3 also fit the older MFT 1080?


Anyone know?

It doesn't use the V-grove, right? I don't think the location of the side T-slot changed with the MFT/3? Not sure though.

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« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2021, 03:35 PM »
Does the steel VAS SYS mounting plate that attaches to the frame of the MFT3 also fit the older MFT 1080?


Anyone know?

It doesn't use the V-grove, right? I don't think the location of the side T-slot changed with the MFT/3? Not sure though.

Correct, it uses the T-slot.

Even if it didn't use the T-slot, you could use the plate by itself and clamp it to the table assuming the holes in the 1080 are spaced the same as on the MFT-3, and leave the hinged piece swinging in the breeze.  The T-slot attachment is used to allow the whole thing to swivel out of the way and remain attached to the table, stowed underneath.  I was tempted to mount mine to my MW1000 to make it super portable, but I'm worried about the working height being too tall.  Also, even though it would be nice and compact, it seems like an awfully expensive way to make a portable Vac-Sys.


Didn't Festool make things in series? So they build up stock, then make stock of another machine, etc.? That would explain older manufacturing dates and things going out of stock.

The CTL'S definitely didn't have old manufacturing dates. But yeah, things like RAS, LS 130; they don't sell that much.

The Vac Sys set that I got from Recon last month has a build date of 06/2021 on the SE1 module.  The SE2 is buried and the pump is still in the box waiting for space to be cleared in the garage [embarassed],  but I'd be surprised if they didn't have similar dates if they were sold as a set.

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« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2021, 12:06 AM »
Just got one from existing stock and all of the manufacture dates were in 2021.  Odd thing though, the SE2 unit looks like it had a screw missed during assembly and the valve that controls the module sucking down to the surface won't work.  I have a call into support to see if I can just drive a thread forming screw into that spot.
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« Reply #65 on: December 13, 2021, 10:15 AM »
Wow, that's unfortunate.  Was just about to pull the trigger on one...  Anyone know of any alternative vacuum workholding systems out there?  I have seen a few DIY, but nothing as slick as the VAC-SYS.
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« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2021, 11:19 AM »
Those of you with the 2nd Vac Head: How often are you using it, and for what? I've yet to come across a situation where I really needed it.

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« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2021, 12:42 PM »
My Vac Sys System is supposed to arrive today at Lee Valley, per a customer service e-mail I just received. For current orders, the web page for that product is showing an estimated expected arrival January 30. So you may still be able to order one there.
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« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2021, 12:58 PM »
Those of you with the 2nd Vac Head: How often are you using it, and for what? I've yet to come across a situation where I really needed it.

Matt

I use both heads all the time.  They are essential for large closet or pantry panels but I also use two for smaller panels.  Just as long as the panels are somewhat centered on the head you can release the vacuum with the foot pedal and replace one panel without the second panel falling off.   Therefore I can process two small panels at the same time!

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« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2021, 03:31 PM »
Good to know that! I ordered a second head just in case, you know.... [big grin]
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« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2021, 09:21 PM »
Here is another source for a vacuum clamp that I have. I use this for holding acoustic guitar bodies while working on them. Not sure if it would be as good as the VAC-SYS.

https://www.lmii.com/clamps-vises/2595-vacuum-work-holder-wpanavise-mount.html

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« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2021, 02:00 AM »
Sure would be nice if Festool addressed this question directly rather than letting everyone speculate.
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« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2021, 07:41 AM »
It was addressed in Reply #10 @grbmds .

This is just a North America thing, yes? So for those of us already with a Vac Sys theoretically we could import components of the system (anything but the pump basically) moving forward.
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« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2021, 09:27 AM »
I dunno, Matt, "permanently phasing out our Vac-Sys Clamping Systems. All major Vac-Sys components have permanently ceased production" sounds like it's more than just a North America exit.

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« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2021, 09:37 AM »
I dunno, Matt, "permanently phasing out our Vac-Sys Clamping Systems. All major Vac-Sys components have permanently ceased production" sounds like it's more than just a North America exit.

That's a message from Festool USA. I see no indication from abroad that they're discontinuing it.
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« Reply #75 on: December 14, 2021, 09:53 AM »
Unfortunately, I'm reading that this item is toast...worldwide.

"Due to continued supply chain pressure, Festool is permanently phasing out our Vac-Sys Clamping Systems. All major Vac-Sys components have permanently ceased production and final inventory is in transit to North America."

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« Reply #76 on: December 14, 2021, 09:53 AM »
I dunno, Matt, "permanently phasing out our Vac-Sys Clamping Systems. All major Vac-Sys components have permanently ceased production" sounds like it's more than just a North America exit.

That's a message from Festool USA. I see no indication from abroad that they're discontinuing it.

 If the statement is accurate, then it is not just North America. The Vac- Sys is not produced in North America.

I have no inside info ........... but the part in bold seems pretty definitive.

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« Reply #77 on: December 14, 2021, 09:57 AM »
Welp that's a real shame then.

Do I bite the bullet and get the 2nd head now even though I have no current use for it?
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« Reply #78 on: December 14, 2021, 09:58 AM »
Welp that's a real shame then.

Do I bite the bullet and get the 2nd head now even though I have no current use for it?

    YES!

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« Reply #79 on: December 14, 2021, 10:15 AM »
Welp that's a real shame then.

Do I bite the bullet and get the 2nd head now even though I have no current use for it?

Better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it especially if it’s being discontinued. Other wise you’ll be posting in the classifieds like so many others WTB

Also as a suggestion didn’t read the entire thread
Get the kit w the different sized heads to you’ll need them

I have both heads and the kit, I don’t frequently use the 2nd head but it sure comes in handy when I need it.
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« Reply #80 on: December 14, 2021, 10:27 AM »
Welp that's a real shame then.

Do I bite the bullet and get the 2nd head now even though I have no current use for it?

Better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it especially if it’s being discontinued. Other wise you’ll be posting in the classifieds like so many others WTB

Also as a suggestion didn’t read the entire thread
Get the kit w the different sized heads to you’ll need them

I have both heads and the kit, I don’t frequently use the 2nd head but it sure comes in handy when I need it.
The kit with the different side heads i use  almost every project

Yep I sourced the 3 heads from Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.de separately a few years ago sans systainer and shaved off a good chunk of the cost.



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« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2021, 12:13 PM »
Called US Tool and Fastener this morning and placed an order for one of the remaining ones they have estimated to arrive next month.  If anyone is on the fence I suggest putting your order in ASAP. 

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« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2021, 04:35 PM »
Ordered the mounting bracket to mount the Sys Vac to the MFT today. I kept putting it off because of the cost, BUT I guess now is the time. It is now or never... [eek]
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« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2021, 04:43 PM »
Ordered the mounting bracket to mount the Sys Vac to the MFT today. I kept putting it off because of the cost, BUT I guess now is the time. It is now or never... [eek]

I had the same thought but I can’t get a definite answer whether or not it will fit my old 1080 MFT.

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« Reply #84 on: December 14, 2021, 04:51 PM »
Ordered the mounting bracket to mount the Sys Vac to the MFT today. I kept putting it off because of the cost, BUT I guess now is the time. It is now or never... [eek]

I had the same thought but I can’t get a definite answer whether or not it will fit my old 1080 MFT.

Would measurements help?  I have a bracket and can take some measurements and/or pictures.

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« Reply #85 on: December 14, 2021, 05:28 PM »
Ordered the mounting bracket to mount the Sys Vac to the MFT today. I kept putting it off because of the cost, BUT I guess now is the time. It is now or never... [eek]

I had the same thought but I can’t get a definite answer whether or not it will fit my old 1080 MFT.

Would measurements help?  I have a bracket and can take some measurements and/or pictures.

Measurement should do it. Distance from bottom of plate to center of slot cleats?

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« Reply #86 on: December 14, 2021, 07:25 PM »
Ordered the mounting bracket to mount the Sys Vac to the MFT today. I kept putting it off because of the cost, BUT I guess now is the time. It is now or never... [eek]

I had the same thought but I can’t get a definite answer whether or not it will fit my old 1080 MFT.

Would measurements help?  I have a bracket and can take some measurements and/or pictures.

Measurement should do it. Distance from bottom of plate to center of slot cleats?

50mm from the top of the MFT 1080 to the middle of the T slot in the frame.

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« Reply #87 on: December 14, 2021, 08:31 PM »
I had the same thought but I can’t get a definite answer whether or not it will fit my old 1080 MFT.

Would measurements help?  I have a bracket and can take some measurements and/or pictures.

Measurement should do it. Distance from bottom of plate to center of slot cleats?

50mm from the top of the MFT 1080 to the middle of the T slot in the frame.

I'm glad you added the MFT 1080 measurement to the mix.

The bottom of the plate to the center of the t-nut for the MFT/3 is ~64mm, give or take (it's a cheap plastic caliper, and parallax, and bad eyes...)



So I took off the screw to see if I could get a better angle and, lo and behold, a second set of holes (I obviously didn't remember this from setting it up two weeks ago).  The primary set is still around 63 or 64 mm...



The "alternate" set is ~49.5mm, again accounting for poor measuring.  [big grin]



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« Reply #88 on: December 15, 2021, 09:12 PM »
@squall_line so it looks like the mount will fit both the MFT 1080/600 and the MFT 3 by using different set of holes?

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« Reply #89 on: December 15, 2021, 10:22 PM »
@squall_line so it looks like the mount will fit both the MFT 1080/600 and the MFT 3 by using different set of holes?
@Michael Kellough, yes, it looks like it should fit both, based on your measurements and the presence of the second set of holes.

I'm not saying I'll pay for your bracket if it doesn't happen to fit, but I'm 95% confident.

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« Reply #90 on: December 15, 2021, 10:23 PM »
@squall_line so it looks like the mount will fit both the MFT 1080/600 and the MFT 3 by using different set of holes?
@Michael Kellough, yes, it looks like it should fit both, based on your measurements and the presence of the second set of holes.

I'm not saying I'll pay for your bracket if it doesn't happen to fit, but I'm 95% confident.

Good enough! Thanks.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #91 on: December 16, 2021, 06:26 PM »
This has really been occupying more of my mind than it should have... I didn't plan on getting one and then I was wondering if I should get one before it was too late just in case I started doing enough work that would benefit from it. In the end I decided I wasn't going to get it, but as I poked around I noticed that the VAC SYS pump sold in the rest of the world is WAY different than the one sold here. Not just 240 vs. 120, but it's apparently built into a classic systainer.

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/workplace-organisation/vacuum-clamping-technology/580072---vac-sys-vp-gb-240v

So I'm thinking the reason we aren't hearing about this being discontinued in other countries is because they are only discontinuing the version sold in the US. Since it is a special complainer as far as their VAC SYS line goes, it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was just more effort than it was worth. I'd think that would mean that accessories would continue to be available, just maybe not easily attainable.

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« Reply #92 on: December 16, 2021, 06:45 PM »
So I'm thinking the reason we aren't hearing about this being discontinued in other countries is because they are only discontinuing the version sold in the US. Since it is a special complainer as far as their VAC SYS line goes, it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was just more effort than it was worth. I'd think that would mean that accessories would continue to be available, just maybe not easily attainable.

Sorry it’s gone worldwide…see replies #2 & #4.  Per Festool, all remaining units are currently being shipped to the States.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-announcements/festool-main-catalogue-for-2022/msg657060/?topicseen#msg657060

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #93 on: December 16, 2021, 07:16 PM »
There are also less expensive vacuum pumps that you can use. I did not buy the Festool one as a non Festool brand one was less than half what the official Festool one cost. I did need to buy some Festool hose connectors. The non-festool one does not have the vacuum reservoir. The Festool unit uses the tub frame as a reservoir.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #94 on: December 16, 2021, 07:28 PM »
So I'm thinking the reason we aren't hearing about this being discontinued in other countries is because they are only discontinuing the version sold in the US. Since it is a special complainer as far as their VAC SYS line goes, it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was just more effort than it was worth. I'd think that would mean that accessories would continue to be available, just maybe not easily attainable.

Sorry it’s gone worldwide…see replies #2 & #4.  Per Festool, all remaining units are currently being shipped to the States.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-announcements/festool-main-catalogue-for-2022/msg657060/?topicseen#msg657060

The 120V system is going away. Meanwhile, the 240V system, which has never been made available in North America, presumably soldiers on. Think about it: why would the 240V version be headed to our shores? Obviously, it's not. And so, also obviously, FUSA is only referring to the 120V version. That said, the fact that the Vac Sys is absent from the 2022 international catalog spells a similar doom for our friends on the other side of the pond.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #95 on: December 16, 2021, 07:36 PM »
So I'm thinking the reason we aren't hearing about this being discontinued in other countries is because they are only discontinuing the version sold in the US. Since it is a special complainer as far as their VAC SYS line goes, it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was just more effort than it was worth. I'd think that would mean that accessories would continue to be available, just maybe not easily attainable.

Sorry it’s gone worldwide…see replies #2 & #4.  Per Festool, all remaining units are currently being shipped to the States.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-announcements/festool-main-catalogue-for-2022/msg657060/?topicseen#msg657060
That's a bummer. I may have eventually gotten one, just couldn't justify it at this point. Thanks for pointing me to that thread.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #96 on: December 16, 2021, 07:37 PM »
There are also less expensive vacuum pumps that you can use. I did not buy the Festool one as a non Festool brand one was less than half what the official Festool one cost. I did need to buy some Festool hose connectors. The non-festool one does not have the vacuum reservoir. The Festool unit uses the tub frame as a reservoir.
So you still used the Festool heads, just with a different pump? Mind sharing what you used? If it's already in a thread somewhere just point me in the right direction and I'll get to reading. Thanks!

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #97 on: December 16, 2021, 09:25 PM »
The 120V system is going away.

Meanwhile, the 240V system, which has never been made available in North America, presumably soldiers on. Think about it: why would the 240V version be headed to our shores?

Obviously, it's not. And so, also obviously, FUSA is only referring to the 120V version.

That said, the fact that the Vac Sys is absent from the 2022 international catalog spells a similar doom for our friends on the other side of the pond.

It's difficult to know exactly where to start here. I never meant to suggest that the 240v vacuum pump was being sent to the US. That just doesn't make any sense, why would Festool send over that particular 240v item when they've never sent any other 240v item to the States?
I assumed that was quite obvious...if not, I apologize for leading others astray.

The poster elflick was just concerned/unsure of the current status of the Vac Sys and I was only trying to help him out with the facts.

Consider these statements...and spin it in any direction that you feel comfortable with.  [smile]

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/vac-sys-discontinued/60/

See reply #11
The official word from FUSA is...
Due to continued supply chain pressure, Festool is permanently phasing out our Vac-Sys Clamping Systems. All major Vac-Sys components have permanently ceased production and final inventory is in transit to North America.

See reply #77
If the statement is accurate, then it is not just North America. The Vac- Sys is not produced in North America.

I have no inside info ........... but the part in bold seems pretty definitive.

 @DerickC

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And finally, there's the missing Vac Sys items in the latest, just released Festool corporate tool catalog for 2022.





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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #98 on: December 16, 2021, 09:36 PM »
Just to add to the confusion... my 120V Sys-Vac pump is in a classic Systainer  [tongue] hmm...
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« Reply #99 on: December 17, 2021, 08:23 AM »
Just to add to the confusion... my 120V Sys-Vac pump is in a classic Systainer  [tongue] hmm...

Did you purchase your pump from the UK? I don't remember the Systainer based pumps being offered in the US.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #100 on: December 17, 2021, 11:06 AM »
So you still used the Festool heads, just with a different pump? Mind sharing what you used? If it's already in a thread somewhere just point me in the right direction and I'll get to reading. Thanks!

Different poster, but I had this in my bookmarks, cause I thought it was cool.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #101 on: December 17, 2021, 11:51 AM »
Just to clear up some confusion, we wrote this quick blog on the information we received direct from Festool. Please feel free to reach out to us either on here or at 877-777-4717 with any questions. We do still have the full kit #203149 available on our website for our incoming inventory, while supplies last.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #102 on: December 17, 2021, 12:51 PM »
Just to clear up some confusion, we wrote this quick blog on the information we received direct from Festool. Please feel free to reach out to us either on here or at 877-777-4717 with any questions. We do still have the full kit #203149 available on our website for our incoming inventory, while supplies last.

Festool Announces Phase-Out of Vac-Sys Clamping System

Hope you all have a very Happy Holiday Season with your family and friends and thank you to all of our loyal customers for your continued support, as a family owned small business it really means a the world to us!
Agh! Fine! I can't take it anymore! I placed an order. Since my birthday is in February I'm calling it a birthday present to myself.  [big grin]

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #103 on: December 17, 2021, 01:06 PM »
Agh! Fine! I can't take it anymore! I placed an order. Since my birthday is in February I'm calling it a birthday present to myself.  [big grin]

Now that's the spirit we like to see... [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #104 on: December 17, 2021, 01:50 PM »
guys can we stop with the peer pressure this is too much i can't take it much longer

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« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2021, 02:10 PM »
Agh! Fine! I can't take it anymore! I placed an order. Since my birthday is in February I'm calling it a birthday present to myself.  [big grin]

Now that's the spirit we like to see... [big grin] [big grin]

Just found out today what our end-of-year bonuses will be at work.  I'm no longer feeling quite as guilty about my recent acquisitions.  I think this is also the last year we get them, so I'll need to find a different excuse going forward.  Or start making my tools "earn their keep"...

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #106 on: December 17, 2021, 05:45 PM »
There are also less expensive vacuum pumps that you can use. I did not buy the Festool one as a non Festool brand one was less than half what the official Festool one cost. I did need to buy some Festool hose connectors. The non-festool one does not have the vacuum reservoir. The Festool unit uses the tub frame as a reservoir.
So you still used the Festool heads, just with a different pump? Mind sharing what you used? If it's already in a thread somewhere just point me in the right direction and I'll get to reading. Thanks!
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #107 on: December 17, 2021, 07:36 PM »
Just to add to the confusion... my 120V Sys-Vac pump is in a classic Systainer  [tongue] hmm...

Did you purchase your pump from the UK? I don't remember the Systainer based pumps being offered in the US.

I bought mine off a local who was seeded with one of the first units sent to the US before they were made available. I think regulations made the Systainer version of the pump difficult for sale here, but am not certain. The older Systainer pump fits in my shop much better than the new one.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #108 on: December 17, 2021, 07:45 PM »
Just to add to the confusion... my 120V Sys-Vac pump is in a classic Systainer  [tongue] hmm...

Did you purchase your pump from the UK? I don't remember the Systainer based pumps being offered in the US.

I bought mine off a local who was seeded with one of the first units sent to the US before they were made available. I think regulations made the Systainer version of the pump difficult for sale here, but am not certain. The older Systainer pump fits in my shop much better than the new one.

I saw your post and wondered.  I suspect that if you look at your tool / Systainer etc. you might not find a label with UL type certifications.  The Systainer style did not come over due to inability to get the certification.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #109 on: December 17, 2021, 10:01 PM »

You my old friend have a unicorn model.

Peter

That was also my thought...I don't believe any vacuum pumps were commercially sold here that were inside Systainers...because of UL issues. However, that doesn't mean those items didn't make it into the states because they may have been in the Alpha...Beta...or prototype stage.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #110 on: December 18, 2021, 06:46 AM »
Has anyone found a set in stock anywhere online? I see places that say can preorder but if it is discontinued I assume the order would never be fulfilled?

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« Reply #111 on: December 18, 2021, 09:29 AM »
Has anyone found a set in stock anywhere online? I see places that say can preorder but if it is discontinued I assume the order would never be fulfilled?
US Tool & Fastener is taking pre orders for only what they'll be receiving. I was told by them, if you can pre order, you're in line for stock that will be arriving from the very last shipment.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #112 on: December 18, 2021, 10:11 AM »
Check Tool Nirvana too.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #113 on: December 18, 2021, 10:32 AM »
This is another situation where "no discounts allowed" rule will leave some of the individual parts (pump, SE1, SE2) in stock in some retailers because people are looking only for the Set.

The Set discount is pretty substantial over individual pricing, so I definitely wouldn't advocate buying it all piece-by-piece, but I also wouldn't be surprised if there were retailers with stock of the constituent parts with build dates going back 3, 4, or 5 years.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #114 on: December 18, 2021, 10:59 AM »
The Set discount is pretty substantial over individual pricing, so I definitely wouldn't advocate buying it all piece-by-piece, but I also wouldn't be surprised if there were retailers with stock of the constituent parts with build dates going back 3, 4, or 5 years.

I just received the SE2 yesterday...build date...




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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #115 on: December 18, 2021, 01:27 PM »
The Set I got from Recon all had 2021 build dates as well.

The Acme Tools near me has a Festool area, but tools seem to go there to gather dust, rather than make dust.  About the only thing I see them sell through is dust collectors.  It's pretty sad, really.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #116 on: December 19, 2021, 09:55 AM »
So you still used the Festool heads, just with a different pump? Mind sharing what you used? If it's already in a thread somewhere just point me in the right direction and I'll get to reading. Thanks!

I use a Gast vacuum pump that I pulled off of my Milwaukee core drill rig.




I just changed out the standard NPT fittings that came with it for some Festool items.





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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #117 on: December 19, 2021, 10:08 AM »
I also do not use Festools pump.  I started making vac jigs 45 years ago using a Craftsman vac, the intake on my air compressor and for 30 years surplus HVAC pump I got for $15.00 because it was 220v.  I recently bought a 120v pump off Amazon as I do not yet have 220 in my shop.  Presently using 100 feet of 10 ga  to power and Honda 2200 when drawing too many amps for the cord.  It is real easy to over think what source of vacuum is necessary.  If I was vac bagging I would need a pressure switch too cycle the pump but as yet haven't used that process.

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« Reply #118 on: December 19, 2021, 12:28 PM »
Was on holiday last week and just read this and of course order placed for system and accessory set. Relieved the there are ones in the wild with recent manufacture dates. Was close on a refurb at one point and now glad I waited. Hopefully US Tool & Fastener can deliver.

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« Reply #119 on: December 19, 2021, 01:47 PM »
Anyone know why exactly the 'pump in Systainer' couldn't get UL certification?


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« Reply #120 on: December 19, 2021, 02:15 PM »
Anyone know why exactly the 'pump in Systainer' couldn't get UL certification?

Keep in mind that there's a difference between "couldn't obtain certification" and "weren't willing to go through what it would have taken to obtain certification".

This all occurred when Shane worked at Festool, and he mentioned that it "didn't pass UL Certification" and that a reason was provided but he wasn't aware of what it was at the time.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/vac-sys-in-north-america/msg116242/#msg116242
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/vac-sys-in-north-america/msg116245/#msg116245

My guess is "didn't pass" became "yeah, we're not going to do that."  The nice thing is, they still took the time to re-design it to have a different frame and tub and got UL certification with the new design instead.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #121 on: December 20, 2021, 10:55 AM »
Anyone know why exactly the 'pump in Systainer' couldn't get UL certification?
Just wild speculation for the fun of it, but I'd guess it failed because the containing device could be easily opened while in use but couldn't be grounded.
Though that would make me wonder how the air compressors sold in systainers get certification... there must have been another piece to it.

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« Reply #122 on: December 20, 2021, 11:01 AM »
Just wild speculation for the fun of it, but I'd guess it failed because the containing device could be easily opened while in use but couldn't be grounded.

Well yeah, it should be class II even if you open the Systainer.

Though that would make me wonder how the air compressors sold in systainers get certification... there must have been another piece to it.

They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

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« Reply #123 on: December 20, 2021, 01:17 PM »
They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

My VAC SYS uses a plug-it cord.  Are you referencing something different?



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« Reply #124 on: December 20, 2021, 02:30 PM »
They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

My VAC SYS uses a plug-it cord.  Are you referencing something different?




I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

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« Reply #125 on: December 20, 2021, 02:39 PM »
They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

My VAC SYS uses a plug-it cord.  Are you referencing something different?



Nope, that's exactly what he was referencing (though he was talking about the air compressors when he said they don't use them). It was the speculation that the ungrounded plug-it cord was the reason that model of vac sys didn't get approved in the US.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #126 on: December 20, 2021, 03:12 PM »
I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

 [big grin]   I bought the VAC SYS last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.
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« Reply #127 on: December 20, 2021, 05:26 PM »
I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

 [big grin]   I bought the VAC SYS compressor last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.

Nomenclature about whether a vacuum pump is technically also a compressor aside, I believe @Coen is talking about the Rolair AIRSTAK and/or Senco Compressor Systainer, both of which use a grounded IEC 320 C13/C14 connection.

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« Reply #128 on: December 20, 2021, 06:32 PM »
I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

 [big grin]   I bought the VAC SYS compressor last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.

Nomenclature about whether a vacuum pump is technically also a compressor aside, I believe @Coen is talking about the Rolair AIRSTAK and/or Senco Compressor Systainer, both of which use a grounded IEC 320 C13/C14 connection.
Would it be a "decompressor"  [big grin]
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« Reply #129 on: December 21, 2021, 12:02 PM »
I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

 [big grin]   I bought the VAC SYS compressor last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.

Nomenclature about whether a vacuum pump is technically also a compressor aside, I believe @Coen is talking about the Rolair AIRSTAK and/or Senco Compressor Systainer, both of which use a grounded IEC 320 C13/C14 connection.

Yeah, so no class II on those.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #130 on: December 21, 2021, 03:35 PM »
Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #131 on: December 21, 2021, 04:04 PM »
Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?
I was able to place an order with BIS Festools-Online in case anyone else wants to place an order. They said that they have a few unspoken for.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2021, 07:10 PM by Runhard »
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« Reply #132 on: December 21, 2021, 06:48 PM »
Just placed pre-order with them as well.

Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?
I was able to place an order with BIS Festool’s-Online in case anyone else wants to place an order. They said that they have a few unspoken for.

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« Reply #133 on: December 21, 2021, 07:36 PM »
Just placed pre-order with them as well.

Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?
I was able to place an order with BIS Festool’s-Online in case anyone else wants to place an order. They said that they have a few unspoken for.
Great!

I also ordered the accessory kit and mounting plate for the MFT. I was thinking about an extra foot valve but didn’t know what all was needed to control the two modules independently, if that’s even possible.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #134 on: December 22, 2021, 01:56 AM »
For independent control, you’ll need 2 foot valves.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #135 on: December 22, 2021, 03:07 PM »
For independent control, you’ll need 2 foot valves.

Is that it, do I need more hose or fittings?
Daniel

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #136 on: December 22, 2021, 05:18 PM »
I bought the complete set a couple of months ago. The foot valve comes with one of the ports plugged. But included with the set is a short length of hose and a valve which can be attached to the foot valve. If using only one base, you can close off that valve. If you want to add a second foot valve, just mount that short piece of hose/valve on the second one and you're golden.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #137 on: December 23, 2021, 12:27 AM »
Is that it, do I need more hose or fittings?

It all depends upon how Festool offers the foot valve when it's sold as a stand-alone item. When bundled with the SE1, its semi/tethered to the SE1 and has the second port plugged.

However when it's sold on it's own...who knows what's needed. My guess would be that both ports are plugged to prevent contamination. However, that could then become an issue because the face gaskets that are needed for the port plugs/connectors are not available for sale.

You'll need to talk with Festool customer service to ascertain exactly how the foot valve is leaving the service department.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2021, 12:30 AM by Cheese »

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #138 on: December 23, 2021, 12:34 AM »
Is that it, do I need more hose or fittings?

It all depends upon how Festool offers the foot valve when it's sold as a stand-alone item. When bundled with the SE1, its semi/tethered to the SE1 and has the second port plugged.

However when it's sold on it's own...who knows what's needed. My guess would be that both ports are plugged to prevent contamination. However, that could then become an issue because the face gaskets that are needed for the port plugs/connectors are not available for sale.

You'll need to talk with Festool customer service to ascertain exactly how the foot valve is leaving the service department.

The standalone Foot Valve comes with one port plugged and the other with a length of hose attached. Basically the same way it comes with the SE1, just without the SE1 attached on the end of the hose.  The setup sheet that comes with the foot valve shows that you plug the black plastic fitting on the end of the hose into the SE module and it clicks into place.

That's how mine came, at least.  Sometimes these things change from one year to the next.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #139 on: December 23, 2021, 10:03 AM »
The standalone Foot Valve comes with one port plugged and the other with a length of hose attached. Basically the same way it comes with the SE1, just without the SE1 attached on the end of the hose.  The setup sheet that comes with the foot valve shows that you plug the black plastic fitting on the end of the hose into the SE module and it clicks into place.

That's how mine came, at least.  Sometimes these things change from one year to the next.

That's good to know because Festool has never specified exactly what is included with the foot valve. Is there a quick disconnect on the end of the hose?


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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #140 on: December 23, 2021, 10:05 AM »
How well would this pump work with the cups?  I already have the pump from a really good deal I found but would like to use the Festool cups.  Thinking of trying to find the combo set of pump with sys1 and sys2 then sell the pump.

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-vacuum-pump

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #141 on: December 23, 2021, 10:14 AM »
The standalone Foot Valve comes with one port plugged and the other with a length of hose attached. Basically the same way it comes with the SE1, just without the SE1 attached on the end of the hose.  The setup sheet that comes with the foot valve shows that you plug the black plastic fitting on the end of the hose into the SE module and it clicks into place.

That's how mine came, at least.  Sometimes these things change from one year to the next.

That's good to know because Festool has never specified exactly what is included with the foot valve. Is there a quick disconnect on the end of the hose?

I'll grab some pictures this evening and probably measure the hose as well.  There's no gray quick-disconnect, just a black plastic bayonet fitting.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #142 on: December 23, 2021, 02:44 PM »
How well would this pump work with the cups?  I already have the pump from a really good deal I found but would like to use the Festool cups.  Thinking of trying to find the combo set of pump with sys1 and sys2 then sell the pump.

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-vacuum-pump
I can't vouch for how well this pump might work, but Veneer Supplies has a similar one for less money.  They also have higher capacity units and they are a great company to deal with.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #143 on: December 23, 2021, 07:29 PM »

That's good to know because Festool has never specified exactly what is included with the foot valve. Is there a quick disconnect on the end of the hose?

If I remember correctly it's not the large grey quick disconnect but there is something similar to the 1/4" water line quick disconnect on the back of the vacuum head.  You push in the retaining ring and pull out the hose with the plastic adapter tube.  To attach it you just push it in and it locks in place with a slight pull.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #144 on: December 23, 2021, 09:15 PM »
Here's a picture of the way the foot valve arrives and a closeup of the directions on installing/using it.

I let the pedal sit on the ground and raised the hose up as high as it could go and it was a few inches taller than me.  I'm 5'10" on a good day, so I'd guess the hose is an honest 2 meters.




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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #145 on: December 24, 2021, 08:06 AM »
@squall_line Does that sheet with the foot valve have a parts breakdown with #'s? I'm interested in the little black plastic piece that goes into the tubing.

Edit nevermind it's 471568.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #146 on: December 24, 2021, 12:05 PM »
@squall_line Does that sheet with the foot valve have a parts breakdown with #'s? I'm interested in the little black plastic piece that goes into the tubing.

Edit nevermind it's 471568.

Funnily enough, it only came with a diagram for hooking it to an SE1 or a diagram to use the short hose with the valve to hook it to both an SE1 and SE2.  No exploded diagram or parts list like you would find with so many of their other products.

Glad you were able to find it!

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #147 on: December 25, 2021, 12:30 AM »
Funnily enough, it only came with a diagram for hooking it to an SE1 or a diagram to use the short hose with the valve to hook it to both an SE1 and SE2.  No exploded diagram or parts list like you would find with so many of their other products.

Thanks for that @squall_line ...that reminded me of how how the vac units are connected. I completely forgot about the connection down, underneath the bowels of the ship. Unseen by most persons. The Festo push-in connectors are great but they don't allow a lot of room for finger movement and fitting disengagement.


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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #148 on: December 25, 2021, 08:18 AM »
I modified my set so that I could disconnect the hoses, making storage easier.  8 mm tubing is cheap as are push/pull fittings.  I buy part from Automation direct for my tinkering and creative engineering

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #149 on: December 25, 2021, 08:47 AM »
Hi, they make a tool.guy

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #150 on: December 25, 2021, 12:07 PM »
So I've done a little research and think I found something similar that will work (at least for me) It's the Virutex multiple fastening system, it uses compressed air instead of a vacuum, but is a very simple and affordable design that tilts and swivels.  You can also add multiple head units and get an option so you can vacuum it down to a work surface, it also uses a readily available rubber seal on the head.
Interesting.  Do you have any links?
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It's The FOG!  Just rotate the screen.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #152 on: December 25, 2021, 05:46 PM »
I bought the basic units and mounted them on bar stool swivels

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #153 on: December 26, 2021, 09:08 PM »
Do we know what psi and cfm it requires?

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #154 on: December 27, 2021, 10:21 AM »
Yeah I know you can cobble something together with other company's products. I just like the robustness of the Vac Sys pivoting head.

I have the entire system. Don't know how I lived without it.  However, I have both heads and have never even opened the box on one of them.  I would be willing to part with one is someone needs/wants it. 
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #155 on: December 28, 2021, 11:53 PM »
I was hoping to grab one of these during the recon last year and missed out.  I can't find anybody with the set ... anybody know where I can find one?  It seems TN might have some for pre-order Jan 22' so I'll keep an eye out.

About the set, it seems many of you don't care for the pump and only the heads ... if I buy the set is there a reason to sell the pump and get something else?

Besides edge banding where you can't clamp the piece down are there any other really good uses for these?

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #156 on: December 29, 2021, 09:14 AM »
I was hoping to grab one of these during the recon last year and missed out.  I can't find anybody with the set ... anybody know where I can find one?  It seems TN might have some for pre-order Jan 22' so I'll keep an eye out.

Besides edge banding where you can't clamp the piece down are there any other really good uses for these?

Shane has already stated that all of the TN product, even the yet to arrive product, has been spoken for. He said the only exception would be if anyone cancelled their order. Maybe TN has a waitlist option?

US Tool & Fastener had some available...

I use mine for sanding and for Dominoing, I don't have to futz around with clamping boards down, it makes things a lot easier & faster.


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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #157 on: December 29, 2021, 11:02 AM »
Vac Sys gets used on every project in the shop. I've cautioned before though, gotta have a dedicated setup or it won't get used enough to justify it. Starting out it was too much of a PITA to setup for some quick sanding or whatever. Faster to grab some clamps.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #158 on: December 29, 2021, 11:42 AM »
Thanks @Cheese … US Tool & Fastener are out of stock … I subscribed to TN back in stock alert … not sure if that’s enough or not.  I’ve called around 20 or more dealers within an hour and nobody has one in stock as it seems a slow seller.  Wondering if I should continue to extend the search and hope some local unknown to the internet dealer happens to have brought one in which didn’t sell and probably has older manufacture date?

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #159 on: December 30, 2021, 12:11 PM »
Does anyone have a slick design for their Vac Sys mount?

I know Sedge uses a drop in style that relies on the suction of the heads to secure it in place:



Mine is just bolted to 1.5" thick laminated plywood that secures to t-track:



With the 2nd head I'm starting to think about if I want to modify how I secure the units in some sort of height adjustable fashion. I guess I could put a second set of holes where the knobs go to drop it down giving me two height settings. Curious to see if anyone has done something with t-track to give variable height adjustment.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #160 on: December 30, 2021, 02:35 PM »
I forget whose design it is, but here's a pic of an adjustable height VAC SYS mount.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #161 on: December 30, 2021, 03:53 PM »
I used 8020 extrusions and posted pics years ago...have trouble attaching now

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #162 on: December 30, 2021, 06:39 PM »
I was hoping to grab one of these during the recon last year and missed out.  I can't find anybody with the set ... anybody know where I can find one?  It seems TN might have some for pre-order Jan 22' so I'll keep an eye out.

About the set, it seems many of you don't care for the pump and only the heads ... if I buy the set is there a reason to sell the pump and get something else?

Besides edge banding where you can't clamp the piece down are there any other really good uses for these?

Tool Nirvana has the individual pieces, it looks like but I would confirm with Chip. The main head ships in March. They have the second one in stock and he pump in stock.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #163 on: December 31, 2021, 12:32 PM »
I was hoping to grab one of these during the recon last year and missed out.  I can't find anybody with the set ... anybody know where I can find one?  It seems TN might have some for pre-order Jan 22' so I'll keep an eye out.

About the set, it seems many of you don't care for the pump and only the heads ... if I buy the set is there a reason to sell the pump and get something else?

Besides edge banding where you can't clamp the piece down are there any other really good uses for these?

Tool Nirvana has the individual pieces, it looks like but I would confirm with Chip. The main head ships in March. They have the second one in stock and he pump in stock.

I just spoke with Chip yesterday. The pumps are long gone and he doesn't expect to have any in the future. He has plenty of SE2 heads in stock and SE1s will be arriving in March.

Ace Tool is still taking orders for the SE1 + pump kit, but lady from customer service told me they don't guarantee a delivery and have no records of any backorders. They think a shipment is coming in sometime in February, but they have no idea how many units they will have.

Also spoke with Acme Tools, you can place an order for SE1 + pump, but also no guarantees. Their e-commerce platform is not sophisticated enough to disable the add to cart button when all backordered quantities are fulfilled. They can have 50 orders for the pump with only 10 units coming in and they will continue to take online orders even though they will never be fulfilled.
At least Acme doesn't charge your card until the order ships. Ace Tool places a hold.

I finally found a retailer who still has the kit - Lee Valley. Unfortunately the only one they have is the full system with 2 heads and a pump. It's on back order, expected to ship on 2/8. As the CS rep explained to me, their system is smart enough to disallow purchases once all backorder quantities are spoken for. I got my order in, keeping my fingers crossed.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #164 on: December 31, 2021, 02:01 PM »
Assuming Festool discontinued it due to slow sales, looks like all they really needed to do was announce it was discontinued to send sales thru the roof... FOMO

Kinda validates the Onetime Tool approach.  [big grin]

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #165 on: December 31, 2021, 02:43 PM »
Assuming Festool discontinued it due to slow sales, looks like all they really needed to do was announce it was discontinued to send sales thru the roof... FOMO

Kinda validates the Onetime Tool approach.  [big grin]

Ya, that's been the case with the MFS...RAS 115...RS 2 and to a lesser degree the GMS Set.

I wonder what will happen when they officially announce the LS 130?  [popcorn]

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #166 on: January 01, 2022, 12:13 AM »
Have you heard that the LS130 is going to be discontinued?

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #167 on: January 01, 2022, 09:18 AM »
Have you heard that the LS130 is going to be discontinued?

Nothing's been said but it's no longer listed in the 2022 Euro or UK Catalog...that's not a good sign.  [smile]

https://www.festool.co.uk/-/media/tts/fcp/festool-united-kingdom/downloads/downloads/festool-main-catalogue-2022-uk-en.pdf

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #168 on: January 01, 2022, 03:19 PM »
I finally finished my rolling cart for the Vac Sys. It's not going to win any beauty contests. Made from whatever scraps I had on hand. Just had to buy the hardware. The fool valve, when not in use, gets stowed under the pump. I wish it could've been larger, but I am severely space-constrained. So this will have to do.

Barney

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #169 on: January 01, 2022, 06:23 PM »
Have you heard that the LS130 is going to be discontinued?

Nothing's been said but it's no longer listed in the 2022 Euro or UK Catalog...that's not a good sign.  [smile]

https://www.festool.co.uk/-/media/tts/fcp/festool-united-kingdom/downloads/downloads/festool-main-catalogue-2022-uk-en.pdf

Looks like you started a panic... [poke]

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #170 on: January 02, 2022, 12:54 AM »
Anyone hear if Schmalz?

Seems legit and vacuum clamping is their whole game.
https://www.schmalz.com/en/vacuum-clamping-technology/clamping-equipment-for-woodworking/clamping-equipment-for-manual-work/multi-clamp-system-vc-m-vc-m-v-309801/

NOT a bargain price replacement though

I am also in the category of just about to buy into vac sys, exactly what happened with the CMS too

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #171 on: January 02, 2022, 01:23 AM »
Anyone hear if Schmalz?

Seems legit and vacuum clamping is their whole game.
https://www.schmalz.com/en/vacuum-clamping-technology/clamping-equipment-for-woodworking/clamping-equipment-for-manual-work/multi-clamp-system-vc-m-vc-m-v-309801/

NOT a bargain price replacement though

I am also in the category of just about to buy into vac sys, exactly what happened with the CMS too

 Schmalz has been in the game for years and I looked at that system when the Vac Sys was NAINA several years ago. It is pricey, but honestly I would buy into whatever system if something happened to my unit. It is so versatile.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #172 on: January 02, 2022, 01:24 AM »
Have you heard that the LS130 is going to be discontinued?

Nothing's been said but it's no longer listed in the 2022 Euro or UK Catalog...that's not a good sign.  [smile]

https://www.festool.co.uk/-/media/tts/fcp/festool-united-kingdom/downloads/downloads/festool-main-catalogue-2022-uk-en.pdf

Looks like you started a panic... [poke]

RMW

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #173 on: January 02, 2022, 03:14 AM »
Anyone hear if Schmalz?

Seems legit and vacuum clamping is their whole game.
https://www.schmalz.com/en/vacuum-clamping-technology/clamping-equipment-for-woodworking/clamping-equipment-for-manual-work/multi-clamp-system-vc-m-vc-m-v-309801/

NOT a bargain price replacement though

I am also in the category of just about to buy into vac sys, exactly what happened with the CMS too


thanks for the links

also yowza!
one head is ~$980 CAD and pump is ~$1280 CAD so about CAD $2300

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #174 on: January 02, 2022, 07:30 AM »
Here's another company

https://www.barth-maschinenbau.de/en/produkt/workbench-jig-vakuusyst/

It's also around 2400.

They make a slick assembly table with integrated vacuum clamping for only $10,000.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #175 on: January 02, 2022, 10:00 AM »
I checked Lee Valley but wasn’t aware I could place an order even if it’s on back order. I just checked again to make an order and see the vac set is $2,040. 😢

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« Reply #176 on: January 02, 2022, 10:23 AM »
I checked Lee Valley but wasn’t aware I could place an order even if it’s on back order. I just checked again to make an order and see the vac set is $2,040. 😢

I bet that's Canadian they're talking about, I expect about a 20% discount on that for US dollars.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #177 on: January 02, 2022, 11:09 AM »
You’re correct … about $1,615 USD.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #178 on: January 02, 2022, 12:10 PM »
Here's another company...

As nice as the Barth industrial system is I really think the Festool version is a much more elegant solution. And then considering the Festool pricing it really is...er...was a steal.  [smile]  I'm still amazed that the SE 1 or SE 2 vac heads sell for only $425 each considering they have built-in valving, nicely finished aluminum castings, rotating and tilting capabilities and each unit also includes the rubber vac cup and comes in its own Systainer.

Subtract $100 for the vac cup & $70 for the Systainer and you're left paying only $255 for the unit...steal indeed.  [smile] [smile]

The ability to rapidly change the height on the Barth is nice but it's probably a feature you'll only use 10% of the time. And then there's the inconvenience of having to bolt the Barth system to a bench.  [sad]

Each system was obviously targeted to a different audience.

« Last Edit: January 03, 2022, 09:09 AM by Cheese »

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #179 on: January 02, 2022, 12:35 PM »
Lee  Valley still gives an expected in-stock date of 12/13/21 on mine. They were very nice when I called to inquire, but had no update.
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« Reply #180 on: January 03, 2022, 05:08 AM »
Yeah, expected stockdates in the past is usually not good.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #181 on: January 04, 2022, 11:43 PM »
You’re correct … about $1,615 USD.

@Bugsysiegals

Just so you know they still have the Vac Sys for $1,375 on Lee Valley’s site. Im guessing since you were on the Canadian site that Festool sells it for a higher rate even with the price conversion. I just purchased off the U.S. Lee Valley site for $1,375.




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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #182 on: January 05, 2022, 07:24 AM »
I'm late to the party as usual.

If I picked up a second head, VAC-SYS SE 2, would that also function as a stand alone head? It looks like just the tubing is different.

 I would pick up a third party vacuum pump as shown earlier in this thread.

Thanks,

Travis

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #183 on: January 05, 2022, 09:29 AM »

If I picked up a second head, VAC-SYS SE 2, would that also function as a stand alone head? It looks like just the tubing is different.

 I would pick up a third party vacuum pump as shown earlier in this thread.


Ya, you're good to go...don't forget to also order a foot valve as it only comes with the SE 1 head. Or you can mount a hand valve to the bench instead.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #184 on: January 05, 2022, 10:19 AM »


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Ya, you're good to go...don't forget to also order a foot valve as it only comes with the SE 1 head. Or you can mount a hand valve to the bench instead.
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Thanks for the quick response.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #185 on: January 05, 2022, 10:59 AM »
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #186 on: January 05, 2022, 12:26 PM »
Update from Lee Valley: expected date of arrival of my Vac Sys System at Lee Valley is now 2/22/22.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #187 on: January 05, 2022, 01:36 PM »
And so it begins:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265482610529?hash=item3dcfff2761:g:FbEAAOSw9S5h0yxp

SE2 set current bid $1575

 [eek]
Incredible. Current bid is already $1750. Started from $999.


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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #188 on: January 05, 2022, 05:33 PM »
Thanks for the Lee Valley link, just pre-ordered the system set, now the wait begins; product page says expected Feb 23rd but my order receipt says expected Jan 18th. We shall see!
« Last Edit: January 05, 2022, 06:41 PM by JMatthew84 »

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #189 on: January 06, 2022, 12:43 PM »
I waited until after the holidays, then two days ago went into one of the local Festool dealers. He said "Too bad! I just sold my last one!" Groan. It was procrastination, I know (to the tune of "It was fascination").  [crying]
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #190 on: January 06, 2022, 01:19 PM »


I'm starting to make room for the 2nd head on my cart. Working out how I want the hoses routed and waiting on some parts.

I never really planned on having two head units but when I designed the cart I allowed for mounting a second. There's been a few instances a second head would've came in handy. The discontinuation announcement pushed me over the edge.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #191 on: January 06, 2022, 02:53 PM »
You’re correct … about $1,615 USD.

@Bugsysiegals

Just so you know they still have the Vac Sys for $1,375 on Lee Valley’s site. Im guessing since you were on the Canadian site that Festool sells it for a higher rate even with the price conversion. I just purchased off the U.S. Lee Valley site for $1,375.

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When I went to LV earlier it showed CAD which didn't translate to the $1,375 USD.  After seeing your post I realized I could click a link on the top to visit the United States site even though the website is .com rather than .ca.  Afterwards, I seen the price was $1,375 and I went ahead and purchased but who knows if they'll actually be able to fullfill ... we'll see.  Thanks for sharing, I'd not realized it was still this price or that I could place the order.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #192 on: January 06, 2022, 02:55 PM »
You’re correct … about $1,615 USD.

@Bugsysiegals

Just so you know they still have the Vac Sys for $1,375 on Lee Valley’s site. Im guessing since you were on the Canadian site that Festool sells it for a higher rate even with the price conversion. I just purchased off the U.S. Lee Valley site for $1,375.

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When I went to LV earlier it showed CAD which didn't translate to the $1,375 USD.  After seeing your post I realized I could click a link on the top to visit the United States site even though the website is .com rather than .ca.  Afterwards, I seen the price was $1,375 and I went ahead and purchased but who knows if they'll actually be able to fullfill ... we'll see.  Thanks for sharing, I'd not realized it was still this price or that I could place the order.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #193 on: January 07, 2022, 03:18 AM »

I'm starting to make room for the 2nd head on my cart. Working out how I want the hoses routed and waiting on some parts.

I never really planned on having two head units but when I designed the cart I allowed for mounting a second. There's been a few instances a second head would've came in handy. The discontinuation announcement pushed me over the edge.

Why did you make the heads so proud of the cart? I have a very similar system into extrusion on my outfeed, but I made mine so the head was flush with the table when using the larger heads, so that it would provide more support.

The adjustable height support inspires me, as I could drop it down when a) running large boards on the outfeed, as the edge sticks up, b) go clear of the table for reasons I want to hear from you c)drop it down even further to work for the smaller, taller heads.


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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #194 on: January 07, 2022, 06:43 AM »

I'm starting to make room for the 2nd head on my cart. Working out how I want the hoses routed and waiting on some parts.

I never really planned on having two head units but when I designed the cart I allowed for mounting a second. There's been a few instances a second head would've came in handy. The discontinuation announcement pushed me over the edge.

Why did you make the heads so proud of the cart? I have a very similar system into extrusion on my outfeed, but I made mine so the head was flush with the table when using the larger heads, so that it would provide more support.

The adjustable height support inspires me, as I could drop it down when a) running large boards on the outfeed, as the edge sticks up, b) go clear of the table for reasons I want to hear from you c)drop it down even further to work for the smaller, taller heads.

The main reason is because that cart is never clean. When I'm working on something I set stuff down there like edgebanding supplies. Having it proud let's me use the heads with stuff on the cart.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #195 on: January 07, 2022, 07:49 AM »
And so it begins:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265482610529?hash=item3dcfff2761:g:FbEAAOSw9S5h0yxp

SE2 set current bid $1575

 [eek]
Incredible. Current bid is already $1750. Started from $999.

Has anyone else tried to get an estimated cost on shipping? When I do it with my zip code & other valid zip codes, it come back as invalid zip. Is this a scam?

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #196 on: January 07, 2022, 09:22 AM »
And so it begins:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265482610529?hash=item3dcfff2761:g:FbEAAOSw9S5h0yxp

SE2 set current bid $1575

 [eek]
Incredible. Current bid is already $1750. Started from $999.

Has anyone else tried to get an estimated cost on shipping? When I do it with my zip code & other valid zip codes, it come back as invalid zip. Is this a scam?

I’ve sold over $4,000 over the last 60 days on eBay of stuff I’ve collected and haven’t been using. Sadly, eBay takes around 11% of all my sales. It used to be around 5% eBay and 5% Paypal. They no longer use PayPal and do direct deposit but now charge 11%! I thought this vac-says kit was selling really high but after eBay fees and shipping the seller won’t make a huge profit on these.

When I click on shipping, it goes to send the seller a message.

For me it wants to message the seller to get the quote.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #197 on: January 07, 2022, 10:21 AM »
Incredible. Current bid is already $1750. Started from $999.

Up to $1850 with 3 days left...

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #198 on: January 07, 2022, 10:35 AM »
Incredible. Current bid is already $1750. Started from $999.

Up to $1850 with 3 days left...

Buyers can still pay with PayPal. It is a payment option on the buyers end. It is just that all the payments go through Ebay to the seller regardless of the payment method.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #199 on: January 07, 2022, 01:01 PM »
Incredible. Current bid is already $1750. Started from $999.

Up to $1850 with 3 days left...

Buyers can still pay with PayPal. It is a payment option on the buyers end. It is just that all the payments go through Ebay to the seller regardless of the payment method.

Seth

Right, but the ripoff is that as a seller I was losing 5% to PayPal and 5% from eBay in the past and now I lose 11% even though eBay does direct deposit to me ... I was expecting to only get the 5% fee from eBay but I guess they've found eliminating PayPal and taking the extra 5% for themselves was more profitable ...

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #200 on: January 07, 2022, 01:39 PM »
Incredible. Current bid is already $1750. Started from $999.

Up to $1850 with 3 days left...

Buyers can still pay with PayPal. It is a payment option on the buyers end. It is just that all the payments go through Ebay to the seller regardless of the payment method.

Seth

Right, but the ripoff is that as a seller I was losing 5% to PayPal and 5% from eBay in the past and now I lose 11% even though eBay does direct deposit to me ... I was expecting to only get the 5% fee from eBay but I guess they've found eliminating PayPal and taking the extra 5% for themselves was more profitable ...

Ebay’s fee is actually currently 12.55%. But even before with PayPal ebay’s fee was 10%, not 5%. Ebay used to charge 10% and PayPal would add on another ~2%. So the total fee is very similar to what it was before. I agree it’s a ripoff though. That’s why you have to have such high prices on ebay to make a profit. And what makes matters worse is that ebay actually charges you 12.55% on the tax that the customer has to pay them! So if the customer has to pay ebay $100 sales tax on an item they bought from you ebay adds $12.55 to your final value fee.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #201 on: January 07, 2022, 02:53 PM »
FWIW - Facebook has a lot lower fee and cheaper shipping than eBay but doesn't have as many buyers on the platform but if you're looking to sell something it seems to be better.  That said, I did not see any vac-sys listed there and can only hope Lee Valley will come through for me! :)
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« Reply #202 on: January 07, 2022, 03:02 PM »
FWIW - Facebook as a lot lower fee and cheaper shipping than eBay but doesn't have as many buyers on the platform but if you're looking to sell something it seems to be better.  That said, I did not see any vac-sys listed there and can only hope Lee Valley will come through for me! :)

I’m hoping the same 😊 Every day Lee Valley’s expected delivery date moves out one day further which has me a little worried 😟.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #203 on: January 07, 2022, 03:21 PM »
I got a Vac sys SE 2 this week from (don't laugh) Beaver supply

https://beavertools.com/580062-festool-vac-sys-se-2-clamping-module.html

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #204 on: January 07, 2022, 04:47 PM »
It's The FOG!  Just rotate the screen.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #205 on: January 07, 2022, 05:33 PM »
I got a Vac sys SE 2 this week from (don't laugh) Beaver supply

https://beavertools.com/580062-festool-vac-sys-se-2-clamping-module.html

Leave it to Beaver!  ;)

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #206 on: January 07, 2022, 06:18 PM »
Aren't Paypal and eBay kinda one company these days?

Paypal takes another few % on the exchange rate btw. As in % more compared to what my bank would do for wire transfer in other currency.

Eg if I need to pay $2000, my bank would charge me €1797 + ~€15, but Paypal would charge €1846.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #207 on: January 08, 2022, 12:04 AM »
Aren't Paypal and eBay kinda one company these days?

Paypal takes another few % on the exchange rate btw. As in % more compared to what my bank would do for wire transfer in other currency.

Eg if I need to pay $2000, my bank would charge me €1797 + ~€15, but Paypal would charge €1846.

They split quite a few years ago.   A side effect is that you can pay with other methods now.  As opposed to what the seller may or may not accept.

     Sorry didn't mean to take this OT.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #208 on: January 08, 2022, 10:19 AM »
I was on the french festool website and VAC SYS pages started to disapear.
I'm happy to find this topic, I could buy one of the last SE1 set available on french market.
Now, I hope to receive it  [laughing]

Unfortunately, SE2 is no more available.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #209 on: January 10, 2022, 02:01 PM »
And so it begins:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265482610529?hash=item3dcfff2761:g:FbEAAOSw9S5h0yxp

SE2 set current bid $1575

 [eek]
Incredible. Current bid is already $1750. Started from $999.

The winning bid was $2450.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #210 on: January 10, 2022, 02:20 PM »
Now I'm really starting to rethink my own "need" for my set... [eek]

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #211 on: January 11, 2022, 11:24 AM »
For those who ordered from US Tool & Fastener (Shop Festool), your time has come. I received an email this morning that my CC authorization had expired since it's been a while and I asked if that meant the orders were in. Yep. They'll be shipping soon.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #212 on: January 11, 2022, 01:26 PM »
And so it begins:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265482610529?hash=item3dcfff2761:g:FbEAAOSw9S5h0yxp

SE2 set current bid $1575

 [eek]
Incredible. Current bid is already $1750. Started from $999.

The winning bid was $2450.


At that point, just get the Schmalz, haha. A product that isn't discontinued.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #213 on: January 11, 2022, 01:41 PM »
After looking at the Schmalz pricing it's apparent what a deal the Festool vac sys was while it was available.
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #214 on: January 11, 2022, 02:28 PM »
For those who ordered from US Tool & Fastener (Shop Festool), your time has come. I received an email this morning that my CC authorization had expired since it's been a while and I asked if that meant the orders were in. Yep. They'll be shipping soon.
I also got a email from them,so hopefully it ships soon,
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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #215 on: January 11, 2022, 03:32 PM »
After looking at the Schmalz pricing it's apparent what a deal the Festool vac sys was while it was available.

I'm with you Matt...as nice as Festool tools are, when compared to the vac heads, the SE 1&2 are another level or so above Festool tools for fit & finish. The attention to detail is incredible, the castings flawless. I think the tools that are closest to this level are the DF 500 & DF 700, both of which are above the $1000 price point.

Indeed, $425...that was a steal.


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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #216 on: January 12, 2022, 08:39 PM »
For those who ordered from US Tool & Fastener (Shop Festool), your time has come. I received an email this morning that my CC authorization had expired since it's been a while and I asked if that meant the orders were in. Yep. They'll be shipping soon.
I also got a email from them,so hopefully it ships soon,
Charlie

Mine shipped today  [big grin]

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #217 on: January 13, 2022, 06:11 PM »
I bought the Vac Sys complete system (SE1 & SE2) a few years ago.
Reading the Vac Sys was being discontinued - And availability was getting tougher -
I searched for - And scored - From Heartville Tools an additional -
SYS Accessory Set  VAC SYS VT Sort.

Ordered last Friday - Delivered today.🤗


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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #218 on: January 13, 2022, 06:28 PM »
I bought the Vac Sys complete system (SE1 & SE2) a few years ago.
Reading the Vac Sys was being discontinued - And availability was getting tougher -
I searched for - And scored - From Heartville Tools an additional -
SYS Accessory Set  VAC SYS VT Sort.

Ordered last Friday - Delivered today.🤗

I ordered the two heads that I didn't have yet (I have two each of the Round and Large Oblong) from ToolNut rather than the three-head set, but have yet to have them ship.  I'm holding out hope that they were on the slow boat from Germany and that my order will be filled.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #219 on: January 13, 2022, 07:40 PM »
For the many of you who checked with us while we were out - we have just received another shipment of SE2 Modules.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #220 on: January 13, 2022, 10:20 PM »
Why do they ship with the old style systainers?

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #221 on: January 13, 2022, 10:36 PM »
Why do they ship with the old style systainers?

The entire Vac-SYS system in Europe is based on a vacuum pump that is built into a Classic Systainer, similar to a Rolair compressor.  The systainers for the system components are in Classic systainers as well as a result.

The pump model was unable to gain UL approval in the United States, so the pump was refactored but all of the other components remained the same.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #222 on: January 14, 2022, 06:25 AM »
For the many of you who checked with us while we were out - we have just received another shipment of SE2 Modules.

Couldn't resist... [doh]

Now I'll have a complete set to sell on eBay.

RMW
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« Reply #223 on: January 14, 2022, 09:10 AM »

Couldn't resist... [doh]

Now I'll have a complete set to sell on eBay.

RMW

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #224 on: January 14, 2022, 10:10 AM »
I guess when I finally go into a nursing home my wife can eBay all my tools to pay for my long term care.  [unsure]
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« Reply #225 on: January 14, 2022, 10:22 AM »
I guess when I finally go into a nursing home my wife can eBay all my tools to pay for my long term care.  [unsure]

Man's greatest fear is that when he passes, his wife will sell all of his tools and toys for what he told her he paid for them rather than what they're actually worth.  [cool]

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #226 on: January 14, 2022, 10:28 AM »
I guess when I finally go into a nursing home my wife can eBay all my tools to pay for my long term care.  [unsure]

Better have a lot of tools... [big grin]...am having some issues with my mother and assisted living wants $14,000 per month.

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« Reply #227 on: January 14, 2022, 12:16 PM »
I guess when I finally go into a nursing home my wife can eBay all my tools to pay for my long term care.  [unsure]

Better have a lot of tools... [big grin]...am having some issues with my mother and assisted living wants $14,000 per month.

My grandmother-in-law is having some issues lately.  I think the place my in-laws went to look at had a $130k application fee, which was before the monthly fees.  [eek]

My own grandmother is in a senior apartment-type complex with meals included in a dining hall and other group and individual amenities, but no on-site care.  Fortunately she doesn't require constant care and can call it in when she needs it.  Also, I think I heard that the insurance and pension she has through my late grandfather's old job is phenomenal; it's probably cheaper for her to call an ambulance almost every day than to live in a care center.

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #228 on: January 14, 2022, 01:05 PM »
I guess when I finally go into a nursing home my wife can eBay all my tools to pay for my long term care.  [unsure]

Man's greatest fear is that when he passes, his wife will sell all of his tools and toys for what he told her he paid for them rather than what they're actually worth.  [cool]

Well, given current inflation and longevity of Festools we are close to the used prices denominated in $ or € being equal to original new price...

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #229 on: January 14, 2022, 02:52 PM »
I guess when I finally go into a nursing home my wife can eBay all my tools to pay for my long term care.  [unsure]

Better have a lot of tools... [big grin]...am having some issues with my mother and assisted living wants $14,000 per month.


I obviously wrote tongue in cheek. This really is no joke and I empathize with your plight.
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« Reply #230 on: January 14, 2022, 06:50 PM »
I obviously wrote tongue in cheek. This really is no joke and I empathize with your plight.

No Greg you're good... I thought your reply was funny...what is a joke is that it will take 3 shops completely filled with tools & equipment to pay for any medical assistance short of "take an aspirin & call me in the morning".

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« Reply #231 on: January 14, 2022, 07:51 PM »
@Cheese I feel for you and all the others who have to help deal with this.  God bless you.

Peter

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« Reply #232 on: January 14, 2022, 09:27 PM »
@Cheese I feel for you and all the others who have to help deal with this.  God bless you.

Peter

Thanks Peter  [smile]...Thankfully, my mom has very good insurance, but that brings up the larger issue that many people in this wonderful country just aren't that fortunate...and so my heart goes out to those folks because there are no options for those people. Dignity in death should not be something that's just a commodity for sale. 

On to a better discussion about the discontinued Vac Sys. [big grin] [big grin]

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« Reply #233 on: January 15, 2022, 08:59 AM »
I went through the same with my father who passed away from Alzheimer's three years ago (only 64). As if dealing with the disease wasn't hard enough the cost associated with it were a shock to say the least I don't know how some people manage it. If it wasn't for his VA benefits I have no idea what I would have done. Thats a total other subject the hoops I had to jump through with the government for him to get the benefits he was entitled too was a nightmare in itself. Unfortunately death and life ending illness has become a money making business. My prayers and best wishes to you my friend as you navigate these difficult times. 

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #234 on: January 16, 2022, 04:22 AM »
Availability information :
I called Festool France last week.
VAC SYS SE2 will be back in stock first week of march.

Don't know why they delete the web page of this product  ???

Blakk

Offline AVL_wood_shop

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #235 on: January 16, 2022, 07:44 PM »
I’m getting ready to sell a bunch of woodworking tools. Including a complete VAC SYS setup:
Two modules, vacuum pump, and foot pedal
Two MFT mounting brackets
The set of three mounts in the Systainer
One additional D215 mount
A spare vacuum hose that I used for some custom vacuum jigs

I really prefer to deal in person. I’m in Asheville, NC. Any of you guys looking for a VAC SYS near western NC?

Otherwise, what have you had good luck with in terms of online sales?

-Greg

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #236 on: January 16, 2022, 07:54 PM »
I’m getting ready to sell a bunch of woodworking tools. Including a complete VAC SYS setup:
Two modules, vacuum pump, and foot pedal
Two MFT mounting brackets
The set of three mounts in the Systainer
One additional D215 mount
A spare vacuum hose that I used for some custom vacuum jigs

I really prefer to deal in person. I’m in Asheville, NC. Any of you guys looking for a VAC SYS near western NC?

Otherwise, what have you had good luck with in terms of online sales?

-Greg

Hmm Greg from Asheville. Your last name doesn't happen to be Paolini does it?  [big grin]
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Offline elfick

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #237 on: January 18, 2022, 03:51 PM »
I just received my set from USTF. A month earlier than projected so mad props to USTF.
Only problem is I can't exactly claim it as a birthday gift a month early!  [tongue]

Offline Chainring

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #238 on: January 18, 2022, 04:32 PM »
My set came in from US Tool & Fastener, too.

My GF was initially questioning how in the heck something like this would be used, but when I suctioned it down onto a coffee table and stuck a cutting board on it, her light bulb started glowing.

Offline HowardH

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #239 on: January 18, 2022, 05:20 PM »
I used mine yesterday.  I find new ways of using it all the time. 
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Offline mike_aa

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #240 on: January 18, 2022, 06:47 PM »
I just received my set from USTF. A month earlier than projected so mad props to USTF.
Only problem is I can't exactly claim it as a birthday gift a month early!  [tongue]
@elfick  No problem!  My birthday is today so just send it to me!   [big grin] [big grin] [tongue]
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Offline elfick

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #241 on: January 18, 2022, 08:17 PM »
I just received my set from USTF. A month earlier than projected so mad props to USTF.
Only problem is I can't exactly claim it as a birthday gift a month early!  [tongue]
@elfick  No problem!  My birthday is today so just send it to me!   [big grin] [big grin] [tongue]
Mike A.
Ha ha! Happy birthday! Thanks for trying to help out but I think I'll hold on to it. Besides, the wife answered the door when it was delivered so the cat is already out of the bag.  [big grin]

Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #242 on: January 18, 2022, 08:20 PM »
I just received my set from USTF. A month earlier than projected so mad props to USTF.
Only problem is I can't exactly claim it as a birthday gift a month early!  [tongue]
@elfick  No problem!  My birthday is today so just send it to me!   [big grin] [big grin] [tongue]
Mike A.

@mike_aa[birthday song]!

These posts remind me I need to check on the status of the order I placed for the narrow and small oblong heads from ToolNut.  I think they were slated to ship closer to the end of the month, though.

Offline mike_aa

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #243 on: January 18, 2022, 08:30 PM »
Hey @elfick  and @squall_line  Thanks for the birthday wishes! [big grin]

Mike A

Offline AVL_wood_shop

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #244 on: January 18, 2022, 08:31 PM »
Nope, a different and less-famous Greg from Asheville.


I’m getting ready to sell a bunch of woodworking tools. Including a complete VAC SYS setup:
Two modules, vacuum pump, and foot pedal
Two MFT mounting brackets
The set of three mounts in the Systainer
One additional D215 mount
A spare vacuum hose that I used for some custom vacuum jigs

I really prefer to deal in person. I’m in Asheville, NC. Any of you guys looking for a VAC SYS near western NC?

Otherwise, what have you had good luck with in terms of online sales?

-Greg

Hmm Greg from Asheville. Your last name doesn't happen to be Paolini does it?  [big grin]

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #245 on: January 19, 2022, 07:35 AM »
Nope, a different and less-famous Greg from Asheville.


I’m getting ready to sell a bunch of woodworking tools. Including a complete VAC SYS setup:
Two modules, vacuum pump, and foot pedal
Two MFT mounting brackets
The set of three mounts in the Systainer
One additional D215 mount
A spare vacuum hose that I used for some custom vacuum jigs

I really prefer to deal in person. I’m in Asheville, NC. Any of you guys looking for a VAC SYS near western NC?

Otherwise, what have you had good luck with in terms of online sales?

-Greg

Hmm Greg from Asheville. Your last name doesn't happen to be Paolini does it?  [big grin]

@AVL_wood_shop In that case, I would suggest the Classifieds here. Sell to a member with a higher post count/older join date that you can feel out. I've followed this rule more or less and never had an issue either on this forum or others. There's some rules posted in that forum that you'll need to read.

Craigslist is where I sell/buy a lot of stuff because I find mainly only the more "mature" people use it. Facebook marketplace is a crapshoot I use when something won't sell using the other methods.

The Vac Sys set you have is in high demand and will sell quickly.
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Offline Ebuwan

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #246 on: January 25, 2022, 12:19 PM »
Hey All,

So been searching for another option.

Found Doscornio

https://www.doscornio.com/produktuebersicht/bankmaster-vakuumspannsysteme/bankmaster-mono-s/

I inquired with them, and they got back to me yesterday. They don't have any distribution in the US, but you can order as a private person (love translations). She mentioned needing to pay VAT and of course longer shipping time, but whatever. I'm in the US, so i think we are VAT exempt anyway.

The prices are WAY more comparable to Festool.  Looks around a little over $1300 US, if VAT is exempt, for one Mono S head unit and vacuum pump.

I'll keep the thread updated if i pull the trigger.


Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #247 on: January 25, 2022, 12:58 PM »
the dual head on one station is pretty cool. any idea how much just the bench top unit is with two pods?  no pump etc.

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #248 on: January 25, 2022, 03:25 PM »
That's a great alternative. I like the heads better than Festool, they are more streamlined and adjustable.

There is a pricelist in German. Looks like $865 for the head only.

RMW
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Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #249 on: January 25, 2022, 05:39 PM »
Thanks didnt see that I was on small screen first time and on the way out the door so didnt have time to check out everything.  It looks interesting.   

Offline Ebuwan

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #250 on: January 25, 2022, 10:05 PM »
Yeah hard to really see it on the phone. The 3D version is just two of those heads for about 250 more bucks

Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #251 on: January 25, 2022, 10:38 PM »
Yeah hard to really see it on the phone. The 3D version is just two of those heads for about 250 more bucks

Did the company confirm that you get two clamping units? I can’t tell if you get two of the Mono S units with the Mono 3D package, or if it’s just one unit of an enhanced type.

Regardless, this is by far the nicest comp to the vac sys. Good find!

Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #252 on: January 26, 2022, 08:13 AM »
yea, the price list was a little unclear to me too.  It looks like its about twice the price of the Festool unit.  You dont get to say that very often.  looks nice but at that price point Ill just stick to the custom pods I make for $0. The tilting, spinning option is nice but I just dont need it very often for what I do.  If the vac sys ever comes back in stock I might grab one since it is the best thing out there for the price but if not Im not loosing any sleep if I dont.  RIP VAC SYS

Offline Ebuwan

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #253 on: January 26, 2022, 02:34 PM »
Hrm, where did you get twice the price from? it's actually quite comparable in price.

This is from their price list located at https://www.doscornio.com/wp-content/uploads/Pricelist_Doscornio_2021_2022_EN_web.pdf


bankmaster® MONO 3D

MONO 3D with vacuum pump K 0415 1.250,00 €
MONO 3D without vacuum pump K 0416 935,00 €
Option: Other variants of vacuum plates (page 24) without surcharge
Option: Foot valve K 0135 165,00 €
Option: Tubestar® adapter plate for tubes K 0399 480,00 €


Adding it up and converting to dollars:
MONO 3D with vacuum pump - $1411.09
Foot valve - $186.26
Shipping - ~$90
Total = $1687.35

Things missing from this price is cost for the other plate sizes, and if they only sell 220-240v pumps, which in that case, someone wanted 110v, could just get a nice pump locally, like a Robinair? If getting local pump, i'd imagine that would greatly reduce the weight/shipping.

I just sent them the following questions to try and clear it up. I'm hoping the 3D is literally just two S's, because 190 bucks for a second stand is a no-brainer!


Is the MONO 3D the same thing as the MONO S with an extra Suction plate stand?

Are your vacuum pumps only available in 220-240v? I ask because of the typical 110v standard here in the states.

How do we go about getting the whole range of available plate sizes?

I think being in the US, I would be VAT exempt?

These come with all the tubes for hooking everything up?


Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #254 on: January 28, 2022, 09:37 PM »
Hrm, where did you get twice the price from? it's actually quite comparable in price.

This is from their price list located at https://www.doscornio.com/wp-content/uploads/Pricelist_Doscornio_2021_2022_EN_web.pdf


bankmaster® MONO 3D

MONO 3D with vacuum pump K 0415 1.250,00 €
MONO 3D without vacuum pump K 0416 935,00 €
Option: Other variants of vacuum plates (page 24) without surcharge
Option: Foot valve K 0135 165,00 €
Option: Tubestar® adapter plate for tubes K 0399 480,00 €


Adding it up and converting to dollars:
MONO 3D with vacuum pump - $1411.09
Foot valve - $186.26
Shipping - ~$90
Total = $1687.35

Things missing from this price is cost for the other plate sizes, and if they only sell 220-240v pumps, which in that case, someone wanted 110v, could just get a nice pump locally, like a Robinair? If getting local pump, i'd imagine that would greatly reduce the weight/shipping.

I just sent them the following questions to try and clear it up. I'm hoping the 3D is literally just two S's, because 190 bucks for a second stand is a no-brainer!


Is the MONO 3D the same thing as the MONO S with an extra Suction plate stand?

Are your vacuum pumps only available in 220-240v? I ask because of the typical 110v standard here in the states.

How do we go about getting the whole range of available plate sizes?

I think being in the US, I would be VAT exempt?

These come with all the tubes for hooking everything up?


I reached out to the company also and received clarification on the Mono 3D product. As I feared, it is not 2 Mono S heads, it’s just one head with enhanced swiveling capability.

Here’s the full message from the rep:

“ Thank you for your message. The difference between the MONO 3D and the MONO S is the swiveling by 90° in two (MONO 3D) or only in one (MONO S) direction.

The benefit of the MONO 3D is, that you can perfectly handle 3D and curved workpieces. But therefore you need 2 x MONO 3D with foot valve. So, no, one MONO 3D is not two MONO S.

Our vacuum pumps are normally also available in US standard. Unfortunately they are not deliverable at the moment. Delivery time is 12 weeks +. ”

Their vacuum pump is designed to support 5 clamps units at once, so might be more than one would need anyhow. I sent her the specs of the Rockler pump to see if that would be sufficient for a single Mono S head, which is the option I would get, if I go with a vac clamp at all.

The Mono S alone is 765 Euro, plus 95 Euro for shipping, or about $950 USD.

As much as I’d love a vacuum clamp, that’s a bit steep. I just found a CMS GE  (router table) that I think I’d rather spend the money on, if I’m choosing amongst recently discontinued Festool products!

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #255 on: February 01, 2022, 10:01 AM »
I’m getting ready to sell a bunch of woodworking tools. Including a complete VAC SYS setup:
Two modules, vacuum pump, and foot pedal
Two MFT mounting brackets
The set of three mounts in the Systainer
One additional D215 mount
A spare vacuum hose that I used for some custom vacuum jigs

I really prefer to deal in person. I’m in Asheville, NC. Any of you guys looking for a VAC SYS near western NC?

Otherwise, what have you had good luck with in terms of online sales?

-Greg
.

If you still have these, I'm interested. 
I'm Only 90 Min away in Mooresville.
Just let me know.

Thanks

Offline Ebuwan

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #256 on: February 04, 2022, 10:53 AM »


I reached out to the company also and received clarification on the Mono 3D product. As I feared, it is not 2 Mono S heads, it’s just one head with enhanced swiveling capability.


Curious, what were you fearing? To me, and they clarified the same point to me, 90 degrees both ways makes it even more versatile. Also, the 3D comes with 2 heads, with second head only running an additional 170 euro; it almost seems like a no brainer. I can't think of a reason NOT to just go that route if you want two heads.

The price is close with what Festool was charging for two heads, vacuum pump, and foot pedal. I sent this to the rep, my buddy wants a 3D setup too, but no pump. I have an older pump, and the rep confirmed the 110v pump will just ship later, which is fine.

Setup with two heads, pump and foot valve comes to 1415 Euro/$1618 US, of course before shipping, which was in the range of 90 US bucks. One thing i still have not got pricing on yet is the additional round and oval plate sizes; there are 3 other round sizes and 4 other oval sizes.

So yeah, it's fair to say, it's a few hundred more bucks. It is the most affordable/quality solution compared to the Vac sys i've found though. It's not a "cheap" option by any means, but if you were in the vac sys ballpark, this can at least get you a still made/supported option.

Also, FYI, i got in touch with a US supplier; they tacked on 1200 US dollars for the pleasure of getting it shipped here for me; I passed.



Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #257 on: February 04, 2022, 11:08 AM »
Hi all! The Vac Sys SE2 is on BIS as “in stock”

https://beavertools.com/580062-festool-vac-sys-se-2-clamping-module.html

I ordered one - I’ll figure out the rest of the setup later, assuming the thing actually IS in stock somehow. I noticed it also went up on ToolNut, with a ship date of May.

@Ebuwan - attaching what I received from the rep about the Mono 3D being only one unit

Offline Ebuwan

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #258 on: February 04, 2022, 11:14 AM »
Gotcha, yeah the 3D is two heads though.

I've been communicating with the same person there haha.

Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #259 on: February 05, 2022, 12:15 PM »
@Ebuwan I was able to order an SE1 and Vac Pump from Lee Valley. They are listed as back ordered until March, but on my order confirmation email had a shipping estimate for Feb 22. So maybe there’s still hope for us vac sys stragglers?

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/workshop/dust-collection/parts-and-accessories/112040-festool-suction-based-clamping-pump?item=ZTU201064

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/power-tools/74219-festool-vac-sys-se-1-clamping-module?item=ZTU201065

They are no longer offering the sets, but it looks like you can get most of the component parts individually (for a higher cost vs set, but probably equivalent to or less than the Doscornio)

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #260 on: February 07, 2022, 12:40 PM »
Just FYI..... for anyone looking to get one before they are gone.
I just got a VacSys SE 1 from ToolNirvana.com  I think they had a few left.   (awesome help on the phone)
Then I got a  VacSys SE 2 from Beavertools,  Think they have a bunch left.
Then I got a  Really nice Pump from veneersupplies.com  (Super nice people)  Awesome pump.
https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Excel-3-Continuous-Run-Vacuum-Press-System.html

All in  $1249   (yea, that's a lot of money.... BUT, it's less expensive the having purchased the Complete VacSys Kit) 
So that's a win.    [big grin]

« Last Edit: February 07, 2022, 01:32 PM by Domino11 »

Offline JimH2

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #261 on: February 07, 2022, 12:47 PM »
Few cared about buying a VAC SYS until it was discontinued. Now there is more demand that supply. Festool could start up the factory again now that all of their new old stock is gone. As for comparing the price to others if I remember correctly the original price of the set was significantly more when it first came out. Someone with an older catalog could verify this.

Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #262 on: February 07, 2022, 01:17 PM »
@Domino11 can you share a link to the pump you ordered? Or a model number if no link?

Just off the phone w ToolNirvana. All SE1 units are sold out (they went fast!)

However, they may get more SE1 units in from Germany later, and are waiting to hear from Festool.

I received a tracking number for my SE2 today from the ToolNut, which was a great surprise as I assumed it would be backordered. I also have a foot valve coming from Hartville, and am eying the $400 Rockler vacuum pump to sub for the Festool one, in case my order from Lee Valley for the pump falls through.

If I’m able to get an SE1 which includes the foot valve, then I’ll sell or return the one I bought. That would bring my total cost for a full SE1+SE2 set purchased piecemeal to $1,530, which is $155 more than the cost of buying the package.

If I substitute the Festool pump with the Rockler one, my all in cost would be $1,250 (basically the same as Domino11).
« Last Edit: February 07, 2022, 01:22 PM by batmanimal »

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #263 on: February 07, 2022, 01:33 PM »
@Domino11 can you share a link to the pump you ordered? Or a model number if no link?

 
.

Here's the one I got. 

https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Excel-3-Continuous-Run-Vacuum-Press-System.html

They are Highly recommended by this board's members, as well as other boards.

Here are all the pumps they sell:

https://www.veneersupplies.com/categories/Vacuum__Press__Items/Vacuum__Press__Kits/

.

Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #264 on: February 07, 2022, 02:52 PM »
I would steer clear of that pump from Rockler just because its only 1cfm which isnt much.  It would take a while on bigger vacuum bags and if trying to clamp porous woods it would help to have more CFM's to keep up with any bleeding.  Vacupress also has some pumps but the ones linked above are way more economical If it was me I would spend the extra 50 bucks and get the excel 5 which is 5cfm pump at only 55db.  The closest pump from vacupress is almost double in price.  Not sure what the specs are on the festool pump but that excel pump looks real nice.  If my Senco vacuum pump ever dies I would buy that one tomorrow. 

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #265 on: February 07, 2022, 03:34 PM »
I would steer clear of that pump from Rockler just because its only 1cfm which isnt much.  It would take a while on bigger vacuum bags and if trying to clamp porous woods it would help to have more CFM's to keep up with any bleeding.  Vacupress also has some pumps but the ones linked above are way more economical If it was me I would spend the extra 50 bucks and get the excel 5 which is 5cfm pump at only 55db.  The closest pump from vacupress is almost double in price.  Not sure what the specs are on the festool pump but that excel pump looks real nice.  If my Senco vacuum pump ever dies I would buy that one tomorrow.
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agreed on every front.
That's why we went with the Excel Pumps.

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Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #266 on: February 07, 2022, 04:05 PM »
Thanks for the heads up @afish and the link to the excel pump @Domino11

Did you have to buy additional connectors?

I will get the same one if my Festool order doesn’t pan out. I was told that they are no longer making the pumps, but it sounds like they are still producing limited quantities of the heads (which is the more important part of the set anyway). I was given a ship estimate of late March for the Festool vacuum pump. Will see.

Offline usernumber1

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #267 on: February 07, 2022, 04:07 PM »
when i ordered my ship estimate was feb 27. it has moved every day, by a day, since. its up to march 26 now

Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #268 on: February 07, 2022, 04:38 PM »
Thanks for the heads up @afish and the link to the excel pump @Domino11

Did you have to buy additional connectors?

I will get the same one if my Festool order doesn’t pan out. I was told that they are no longer making the pumps, but it sounds like they are still producing limited quantities of the heads (which is the more important part of the set anyway). I was given a ship estimate of late March for the Festool vacuum pump. Will see.


I cant answer that for sure, I dont use the VAC SYS system I use my own vacuum pods I make myself.  I also have my vacuum pump in a shed (along with all my other noise/dust generating items.  I also have vacuum lines run to a few different areas in the shop. I use 1/2 pvc for as much as I can and then transition to reinforced vinyl tubing and barbs up to my valves.  From the valve out I use the push connect fittings for convenience but the push connect fittings can have a tendency to leak.  By using the pvc and barb fittings up to the pump I have a 100% air tight system.  As long as I have the pneumatic switch in the off position I can leave the pump on 24/7 and have no cycles.  If the push-connect fittings leak a tiny bit its only while in use and the pump is going to cycle anyways so it doesnt much matter. 

I have 2 valves that each T off to 2 ball valves.  I use one valve to suck the part down to the bench and the second valve operates any type of vacuum fixture or template independently of the 1st valve.  I added the 4 ball valves just in case I run into a use I havent thought of yet.

Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #269 on: February 07, 2022, 05:34 PM »
Thanks for the detailed response @afish

I went through past replies in this very thread and found Reply #106 has a close up of the Vac Sys connected to the Excel pump. Looks straightforward enough! I think I'll save the $280 price difference between the Excel and the Festool pump (which may be backordered into oblivion anyway), and get the Excel one.

This is a great forum. An expensive forum, but a great one, lol.

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #270 on: February 07, 2022, 05:42 PM »
Thanks for the detailed response @afish

I went through past replies in this very thread and found Reply #106 has a close up of the Vac Sys connected to the Excel pump. Looks straightforward enough! I think I'll save the $280 price difference between the Excel and the Festool pump (which may be backordered into oblivion anyway), and get the Excel one.

This is a great forum. An expensive forum, but a great one, lol.
.

That's the way I was looking at it as well.
The Festool pump seems to be 100% non existent.
And the Excel pump has better specs, for a lot less money.  So not a terrible thing.

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Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #271 on: February 07, 2022, 07:10 PM »
I will say the QA fitting that Joe sells on veneersupplies has worked well for me. No leaks so far.  I have two in my system before the valves if they leaked I would know since my pump would cycle but its been sitting for days on end without use and hasent gone off once.  Im assuming the ports on the festool stuff is 1/4npt if so it should be easy to just buy some reinforced tubing and some barbs.  It looks like festool uses barbs to.  Just FYI if you dont want a pedal you can use the toggle style vales like I have.  They are only 16 bucks or so.  Not sure if Fetool uses 1/4 or 3/8 tubing.  The festool connectors are pricey.  They are about $50 for the QA side not sure about the male coupler, I stopped looking after I saw $50 for the one side. 

Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #272 on: February 07, 2022, 07:27 PM »
I also added some vacuum pod holders on the one end and a dedicated T-handle allen wrench for attaching them with the TSO power dogs.  It works great so far and I can attach/remove a pod in 30 seconds.  That was important for me since I only have the space for one bench and need to be able to quickly switch between tasks and clear the bench.   

Offline edwarmr

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #273 on: February 11, 2022, 05:28 PM »
Well, I got the official notice today… Lee Valley took orders they won’t be able to fulfill and so I won’t be getting the Vac Sys 😞 They cancelled my order.

Offline usernumber1

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #274 on: February 11, 2022, 05:55 PM »
Same here! I was told there's going to be a relaunch but no timeline or further details

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #275 on: February 11, 2022, 05:56 PM »
Well, I got the official notice today… Lee Valley took orders they won’t be able to fulfill and so I won’t be getting the Vac Sys 😞 They cancelled my order.
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The Vac Sys SE 2 are still available.

You could purchase (2) QTY  VacSys SE 2 and add the Veneer pump like I did  to make your own complete system.
The only other thing you'd need is either
a)  the foot pump extra
OR
b) a Toggle dump valve (Much less cost)

This is what I was going to do before I Stumbled upon the last VacSys SE 1  floating around the USA.



Offline JMatthew84

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #276 on: February 11, 2022, 06:11 PM »
Got a cancellation notice from Lee Valley today as well, after being told just yesterday they were expecting more in at the end of February; bummer.  What is this "relaunch" they are talking about, anyone know?

Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #277 on: February 11, 2022, 07:21 PM »
Got a cancellation notice from Lee Valley today as well, after being told just yesterday they were expecting more in at the end of February; bummer.  What is this "relaunch" they are talking about, anyone know?

Last I checked Beaver still had SE2 units available. I did the exact same thing as Domino11. I had planned to order 2 SE2 units, but managed to snag an SE1 from tool nirvana after another customer who had claimed it let it go. I ordered the Excel 3 pump as well, and canceled my SE1 and pump order from LV (I had a bad feeling since another poster in here noted they kept moving out the ETA date).

2 SE2 units will do the same thing as an SE1+SE2. You may wish to order a round rubber head attachment to truly replicate an SE1 unit, in addition to the foot valve accessory.

Offline JMatthew84

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #278 on: February 11, 2022, 09:20 PM »
Thanks batmanimal, seriously looking into going this route, that pump seems reasonably priced too.

Offline Luis (ridgenj)

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #279 on: February 11, 2022, 11:17 PM »
Hi everyone, I ordered mid December my unit from Lee Valley, got also a cancellation for the set but the SE2  should arrive in June 2022.
I am going the Excel 5 route for the pump, the rest in piecemealed from several Festool vendors.
I was looking into previous posts and I  am still not sure if the connectors fit properly. BTW, when I was in Munich I saw the pump now in a Systainer.

Cheers
Luis

Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #280 on: February 11, 2022, 11:25 PM »
BTW, when I was in Munich I saw the pump now in a Systainer.

FWIW...the vacuum pump has always been is a Systainer for our EU brothers & sisters. It's in the US & Canada where the pump is only offered naked.

Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #281 on: February 11, 2022, 11:48 PM »
Hi everyone, I ordered mid December my unit from Lee Valley, got also a cancellation for the set but the SE2  should arrive in June 2022.
I am going the Excel 5 route for the pump, the rest in piecemealed from several Festool vendors.
I was looking into previous posts and I  am still not sure if the connectors fit properly. BTW, when I was in Munich I saw the pump now in a Systainer.

Cheers
Luis

Check out Reply #33 of this thread (looks like the connectors work with the Excel5) https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/vacuum-pump-for-vac-sys/30/

User reported that this is the connector you’d need: https://www.zoro.com/parker-quick-connect-hose-coupling-push-to-connect-lock-14-18-thread-size-rf-254-4mp/i/G4872892/?q=G4872892

I would order from a retailer that has them in stock now. I wouldn’t wait for back order (especially as far off as June) because it may get cancelled again. Both Acme tools and Beaver have them in stock, according to their websites. Mine arrived from  Beaver yesterday.

https://beavertools.com/580062-festool-vac-sys-se-2-clamping-module.html

https://www.acmetools.com/vac-sys-se2-clamping-module-580062/4014549075838.html

« Last Edit: February 11, 2022, 11:57 PM by batmanimal »

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #282 on: February 12, 2022, 09:58 AM »
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Having now used the  SE1 and SE2 along with the Veneer Excel3 pump for the past week.  All I have to say is, WOW.
Originally I was running the Rutlands Dual Vacuum Pads, which do well with Completely sealed wood, but couldn't hold plywood or MDF, ..etc.  Even with a monster 60 hp compressor feeding it.

But now that I have switched to the VacSys, it's like night and day difference.

You really don't think you would need something like this, until you have it and use it.
The ease, freedom  and simplicity of the device is amazing.

And the hold is so strong, with just about any wood in any condition, any size and shape.  It will even hold a vacuum to my MDF table Top (Be it about 18 Hg, instead of 26 Hg which is still plenty enough to also hold wood on the Cups.)

The Excel pump is very quiet at 55 db, you really  don't even hear it when you are working along with your project.

Definitely, recommend this setup to anyone on the fence. 

From what Festool USA and Canada and U.K. Told me........ there will NOT be another VacSys system at this time.

Yes that could change someday  Post Pandemic...... but as of now, all 3 said NO.

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Offline Vipersmith

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #283 on: February 12, 2022, 12:00 PM »
Got a cancellation notice from Lee Valley today as well, after being told just yesterday they were expecting more in at the end of February; bummer.  What is this "relaunch" they are talking about, anyone know?

Mine as cancelled too - so now I have an accessory kit (they had that one and shipped it) but no Vac Sys - ugh.

My email too mentioned a "re-launch". 

Maybe I should "roll the dice" and be patient for a late 2022 (or 2023) re-launch?  Perhaps they got approval to put the Vaccuum in a new Systainer3 and are updating everything?  I agree that's wishful thinking based on NOTHING. 

ugh.

Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #284 on: February 12, 2022, 12:08 PM »

Mine as cancelled too - so now I have an accessory kit (they had that one and shipped it) but no Vac Sys - ugh.

My email too mentioned a "re-launch". 

Maybe I should "roll the dice" and be patient for a late 2022 (or 2023) re-launch?  Perhaps they got approval to put the Vaccuum in a new Systainer3 and are updating everything?  I agree that's wishful thinking based on NOTHING. 

ugh.

No need to roll the dice! Order from one of the retailers linked a few posts up that have the SE2 in stock now! Once you have that, you can construct a set using the Excel pump.

I would not wait for a relaunch that Festool has not publicly mentioned or confirmed. The person I spoke to at Tool Nirvana said Festool informed them they are absolutely not making the pump anymore. Not sure about the SE1/SE2 units, perhaps they will do another run of those, but that’s pure speculation on my part. 
« Last Edit: February 12, 2022, 12:11 PM by batmanimal »

Offline Luis (ridgenj)

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #285 on: February 12, 2022, 02:22 PM »
BTW, when I was in Munich I saw the pump now in a Systainer.

FWIW...the vacuum pump has always been is a Systainer for our EU brothers & sisters. It's in the US & Canada where the pump is only offered naked.

Thank you for the clarification, probably they didn't passed UL certification. Similar for  my CMS, got my Router insert in Germany and I can use my OF2200 and it has not yet exploded in the past 7 years.
Cheers
« Last Edit: February 12, 2022, 02:38 PM by Luis (ridgenj) »

Offline Luis (ridgenj)

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #286 on: February 12, 2022, 02:28 PM »
Hi everyone, I ordered mid December my unit from Lee Valley, got also a cancellation for the set but the SE2  should arrive in June 2022.
I am going the Excel 5 route for the pump, the rest in piecemealed from several Festool vendors.
I was looking into previous posts and I  am still not sure if the connectors fit properly. BTW, when I was in Munich I saw the pump now in a Systainer.

Cheers
Luis

Check out Reply #33 of this thread (looks like the connectors work with the Excel5) https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/vacuum-pump-for-vac-sys/30/

User reported that this is the connector you’d need: https://www.zoro.com/parker-quick-connect-hose-coupling-push-to-connect-lock-14-18-thread-size-rf-254-4mp/i/G4872892/?q=G4872892

I would order from a retailer that has them in stock now. I wouldn’t wait for back order (especially as far off as June) because it may get cancelled again. Both Acme tools and Beaver have them in stock, according to their websites. Mine arrived from  Beaver yesterday.

https://beavertools.com/580062-festool-vac-sys-se-2-clamping-module.html

https://www.acmetools.com/vac-sys-se2-clamping-module-580062/4014549075838.html

I really appreciate your guidance and ordered  2xSE 2 Units from ACME. The rest of the Info is also very helpful.

Cheers
« Last Edit: February 12, 2022, 02:50 PM by Luis (ridgenj) »

Offline Stan Tillinghast

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #287 on: February 12, 2022, 03:34 PM »
I must second Luis’ comments: this thread has been invaluable for me, not only in warning about the discontinuation, but especially in guiding readers to alternative sellers and, more recently, alternative options such as the Excel vacuum pumps.

I too received that dreaded e-mail from Lee Valley saying my order for the Vac-Sys System Set had been canceled (I have not heard that about my order for the Festool pump, still showing as backordered to 2/22/22).

I have ordered pieces of the system in anticipation of the unavailability of the System Set: I have an SE-1 clamping module; an extra round head; a foot pedal; and the accessory head set.

Last night after reading the last few posts, I ordered an SE-2 clamping module from Acme Tools.

If I don’t get the pump from Lee Valley—and perhaps even if I do—I plan to talk to Joe at Veneer Supplies about the Excel pumps and needed hoses and connections; perhaps even order a set of Podz.
Für uns...ist das Beste gerade gut genug!

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #288 on: February 12, 2022, 03:41 PM »
I ordered a full set with pump and SE1 and SE2 last week, was confirmed on the phone that they had stock, hope that is true. :)

…but I am in Germany and even here the offers showing stock start to disappear quickly.
I always wanted the system but was always weary for the cost. But I could not risk missing out. It is such a great product.

…Festool Germany even rewrote the text on their YouTube videos, stating that the VAC SYS is not part of their portfolio anymore.

Offline Luis (ridgenj)

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #289 on: February 12, 2022, 06:22 PM »
I must second Luis’ comments: this thread has been invaluable for me, not only in warning about the discontinuation, but especially in guiding readers to alternative sellers and, more recently, alternative options such as the Excel vacuum pumps.

I too received that dreaded e-mail from Lee Valley saying my order for the Vac-Sys System Set had been canceled (I have not heard that about my order for the Festool pump, still showing as backordered to 2/22/22).

I have ordered pieces of the system in anticipation of the unavailability of the System Set: I have an SE-1 clamping module; an extra round head; a foot pedal; and the accessory head set.

Last night after reading the last few posts, I ordered an SE-2 clamping module from Acme Tools.

If I don’t get the pump from Lee Valley—and perhaps even if I do—I plan to talk to Joe at Veneer Supplies about the Excel pumps and needed hoses and connections; perhaps even order a set of Podz.

Stan, if you ever talk to Joe, ask him if he can offer a set to connect Excel pumps to Festool. I guess that we are not the lonely guys going this route. I will also get the Podz from him. I guess that if you are not in front of the line, all "backorders' will not be fulfilled. LV have always been able to get me my orders, e.g. my SMT 1800 when nobody had inventory, voila, it came from Sin City.

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #290 on: February 13, 2022, 03:13 PM »

If I don’t get the pump from Lee Valley—and perhaps even if I do—I plan to talk to Joe at Veneer Supplies about the Excel pumps and needed hoses and connections; perhaps even order a set of Podz.

Stan, if you ever talk to Joe, ask him if he can offer a set to connect Excel pumps to Festool.
.

Having done this exact setup,  Excel Pump with  Vacsys SE1 & SE 2, the ONLY extra part you will need to connect the Excel pump to VacSys System is this (1)  HiFlow Male connector, which are readily available at Lowes and Home Depot and AMAZON.
You only need 1 of them to screw into the pump, and then all your VacSys will connect just like the Festool Pump.

Everything else is  PLUG-n-PLAY.


HOME DEPOT HI-FLOW FITTINGS

LOWS  HI-FLOW FITTINGS

AMAZON HI-FLOW FITTING



Offline Luis (ridgenj)

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #291 on: February 13, 2022, 03:43 PM »
Many thanks Domino11, it is really plug and play once you have the help from people like yourself.

For those going this route, unfortunately, the SE2 Units have disappeared from the map. Apparently I got the last one from Acme Tools, was not able to order a second one. Similar situation with the D215,wiped out. Most vendors are offering backorders. 

Offline Stan Tillinghast

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #292 on: February 13, 2022, 04:50 PM »
Domino11, thanks very much from me as well. This is a new little world for me and getting very specific information is worth it’s weight in gold.

By the way, I ordered an SE2 module from Acme Friday night, they shipped it Saturday.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2022, 04:52 PM by Stan Tillinghast »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #293 on: February 13, 2022, 06:34 PM »
BIS website shows the SE2 in stock.

No idea if that is accurate.

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #294 on: February 13, 2022, 11:51 PM »
BIS website shows the SE2 in stock.

No idea if that is accurate.
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They claimed to have about 100 +  SE2 units when I ordered mined 10 days ago.

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Offline MrToolJunkie

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #295 on: February 14, 2022, 12:37 AM »

If I don’t get the pump from Lee Valley—and perhaps even if I do—I plan to talk to Joe at Veneer Supplies about the Excel pumps and needed hoses and connections; perhaps even order a set of Podz.

Stan, if you ever talk to Joe, ask him if he can offer a set to connect Excel pumps to Festool.
.

Having done this exact setup,  Excel Pump with  Vacsys SE1 & SE 2, the ONLY extra part you will need to connect the Excel pump to VacSys System is this (1)  HiFlow Male connector, which are readily available at Lowes and Home Depot and AMAZON.
You only need 1 of them to screw into the pump, and then all your VacSys will connect just like the Festool Pump.

Everything else is  PLUG-n-PLAY.


HOME DEPOT HI-FLOW FITTINGS

LOWS  HI-FLOW FITTINGS

AMAZON HI-FLOW FITTING




Thanks for posting this. Good to know the parts in case I ever need a new pump.

Offline smorgasbord

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #296 on: February 14, 2022, 04:47 AM »
A friend had a complete unit on order with Lee Valley. Just got this email:

Quote
Thank you for your order. Unfortunately, Festool has discontinued ZTU203149 - Vac Sys System Set and we are unable to fill your order. We have cancelled it from your order and you have not been charged. Please keep your eye out for their re-launch.

What's the relaunch? Anyone have a clue?

Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #297 on: February 14, 2022, 08:08 AM »
No, it looks like Festool is pretty tight lipped about it.  I find it interesting how they handled it, using the FOMO to sell the last units of old stock. Now that those are mostly bought up we start to hear about v2.0. If I had to guess I would say it probably has something to do with the pump but thats just a guess since I dont see a lot of room for improvement on the heads. That's not to say I hope there isnt something new or cool coming with different pods since I held off on v.1.0 I was close a few times of grabbing one up, so if they manage to hit a home run with the redesign I probably wouldn't be able to stop myself.

The other option is if they try to go cordless with the system like the grabo.  This would not interest me at all but perhaps some would like it.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #298 on: February 14, 2022, 08:16 AM »
This is all speculation since Lee Valley seems to be the only company referencing a re-launch. However, cordless would be a natural fit. I don't think these pumps use a whole lot of power compared to other tools and I could see a pair of batteries running one for a good while.

If they were to go down that path they'd need to do something about the hoses to make them more quick connect/disconnect and less cumbersome, i.e. not as bulky and hard to store.

The heads are pretty much ideal as is not sure what else could be done there unless it was a cost savings measure i.e. cheapening the product. They could steal ideas from the community and offer various smaller heads and functional units. Like guide rail vacuum clamp, trim holding pads like the CT-Wings. Kourous Carpentry is launching their portable vacpad system for this purpose and it is receiving a lot of attention.

Matt
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Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #299 on: February 14, 2022, 09:14 AM »
However, cordless would be a natural fit. I don't think these pumps use a whole lot of power compared to other tools and I could see a pair of batteries running one for a good while.

Especially if they include vacuum sensing capabilities in the pump to prevent it from running constantly. A few years ago I did a leak down test using the vacuum reserve space under the head along with all Festool vacuum connectors and the vacuum held the piece of laminate vertically for over an hour after the pump was turned off.

Did you get your Prevost connectors yet Matt?
« Last Edit: February 14, 2022, 01:09 PM by Cheese »

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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #301 on: February 14, 2022, 01:04 PM »
And here it ishttp://http://www.youtube.com/shorts/01fTj4zdHgE

Yeah that's Dino's design.

https://kouroscarpentry.com/

I'm keeping a close eye on it. I want one but I don't $299 want one.
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Offline zachjowi

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #302 on: February 14, 2022, 03:38 PM »
BIS website shows the SE2 in stock.

No idea if that is accurate.

I ordered the SE1, SE2, pump combo but only receive the pump and SE2 today. I hope I am getting the SE1 that I already paid for and need the foot pedal from.

Offline cider

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #303 on: February 15, 2022, 02:11 PM »
Been following this thread for a while and appreciate the info shared here.  Another data point: I ordered a system late last December and it arrived today from BIS.

Offline JINRO

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #304 on: February 15, 2022, 04:42 PM »
I just ordered SE1 and SE2.  I couldn't find pump for sale anywhere... but thanks to FOG members I can use different pump to work with it. 

-Upon reading this thread, looks like "Vaneer Excel 3 Pump" works with SE units.  Is this the site I can make purchase? (https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Excel-3-Continuous-Run-Vacuum-Press-System.html)

-Is "Excel 3" 120V? or 240V?

-Is "Excel 5" too powerful? it's 5.0 cfm.

-Thankfully one of the member in this thread listed extra parts I will need for the setup. Is there any instruction video or steps I can follow for setting up SE1 and SE2 with this pump?

I can't wait to use them for my shop and thanks for making this work guys! :)

« Last Edit: February 15, 2022, 05:43 PM by JINRO »

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #305 on: February 15, 2022, 05:54 PM »
I just ordered SE1 and SE2.  I couldn't find pump for sale anywhere... but thanks to FOG members I can use different pump to work with it. 

-Upon reading this thread, looks like "Vaneer Excel 3 Pump" works with SE units.  Is this the site I can make purchase? (https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Excel-3-Continuous-Run-Vacuum-Press-System.html)

-Is "Excel 3" 120V? or 240V?

-Is "Excel 5" too powerful? it's 5.0 cfm.

-Thankfully one of the member in this thread listed extra parts I will need for the setup. Is there any instruction video or steps I can follow for setting up SE1 and SE2 with this pump?

I can't wait to use them for my shop and thanks for making this work guys! :)
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You can use any of the 3 pumps they offer. I went with the Excel 3 as it was happy middle ground.  The Excel 1 is just a bit better specs then the Festool.  The Excel 3 has even more CFM which is nice.  I can hold very porous wood (MDF) with out issue.
 The Excel 5 is even better, but at some point, it's a "how much money do I need to spend". 
Again all 3 will work.  Just get what fits your budget + that  one fitting I posted previously.
The Pump comes with Very good detailed directions and photos to setup everything.
The ONLY step that is different from their directions, is the very last step you will screw in that MALE HiFlow Fitting I gave links to previously in this thread, instead of the quick connect that comes included with the pump.  It is literally that simple.  And it will be super obvious to you when you are putting it all together.  Promise.
Connecting the Vacsys setup is no different.  100% Plug-n-Play.
 

Offline JINRO

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #306 on: February 15, 2022, 05:57 PM »

...Connecting the Vacsys setup is no different.  100% Plug-n-Play.


Thanks so much for detailed explanation! :) I added some more questions regarding Veneer pumps. Are they all 120v for US use?
Excel 5 seems only $50 from Excel 3. I guess I'll go with 5 :)

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #307 on: February 15, 2022, 06:57 PM »

...Connecting the Vacsys setup is no different.  100% Plug-n-Play.


Thanks so much for detailed explanation! :) I added some more questions regarding Veneer pumps. Are they all 120v for US use?
Excel 5 seems only $50 from Excel 3. I guess I'll go with 5 :)
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From what I can see, they are all 120v  USA  plugs.

FYI, for detailed instructions:  EXCEL PUMP Instructions

Offline Domino11

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #308 on: February 15, 2022, 06:59 PM »


Forgot to mention these Excel pumps are super compact, quiet and light weight.  Little Pocket Dynamo.


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Offline JINRO

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #309 on: February 15, 2022, 07:05 PM »


Forgot to mention these Excel pumps are super compact, quiet and light weight.  Little Pocket Dynamo.


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Just Ordered Excel 5! :) Total cost of SE1+SE2+Pump came out similar to Set combo from Festool. Now I'm all set with Festool collection! (yeah right...)

Thanks so much for your help! Would you mind if I reach out to you when I have any question setting them up? :P

Offline batmanimal

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #310 on: February 15, 2022, 08:39 PM »


Forgot to mention these Excel pumps are super compact, quiet and light weight.  Little Pocket Dynamo.


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Just Ordered Excel 5! :) Total cost of SE1+SE2+Pump came out similar to Set combo from Festool. Now I'm all set with Festool collection! (yeah right...)

Thanks so much for your help! Would you mind if I reach out to you when I have any question setting them up? :P

Have confidence, my dude. You have everything you need to figure out how to do this yourself. Once the parts are in front of you it will become quite obvious. 

Offline afish

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #311 on: February 15, 2022, 08:40 PM »
Smart move for $50 the 5 will help with more porous wood with 2 heads and if you ever start vacuum bagging it will help draw down the bag faster.  Depending on the size of the bag it can take a bit. 

Offline JINRO

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #312 on: February 16, 2022, 07:46 AM »
Have confidence, my dude. You have everything you need to figure out how to do this yourself. Once the parts are in front of you it will become quite obvious.

Can't wait to receive my set! :) Quick question, do you know if I can get 4x4 vacuum head custom made anywhere? I deal with small wood crafting many times.  Smallest I see for alternative head is 200mm x 60mm.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #313 on: February 16, 2022, 08:59 AM »
Have confidence, my dude. You have everything you need to figure out how to do this yourself. Once the parts are in front of you it will become quite obvious.

Can't wait to receive my set! :) Quick question, do you know if I can get 4x4 vacuum head custom made anywhere? I deal with small wood crafting many times.  Smallest I see for alternative head is 200mm x 60mm.

You'll have to make up your own hoses and fittings but yeah you can connect whatever vacuum pump you bought to any vacuum clamp.

https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Podz-Vacuum-Clamping-Jigs.html

These are 4"x4".

You just need a way to couple from european high flow fitting (on the pump), using a quick connect, to whatever hose you adapt to work with the clamps.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #314 on: February 16, 2022, 09:08 AM »
Quick question, do you know if I can get 4x4 vacuum head custom made anywhere? I deal with small wood crafting many times.  Smallest I see for alternative head is 200mm x 60mm.

Make your own adapter from some plexiglass, phenolic or sealed MDF. The bottom of the adapter fits whatever head you want to use while the placement of the foam weatherstripping on the top of the adapter mimics what ever small piece you're crafting. A hole in the middle of the adapter completes the task.

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« Reply #315 on: February 16, 2022, 09:16 AM »
Quick question, do you know if I can get 4x4 vacuum head custom made anywhere? I deal with small wood crafting many times.  Smallest I see for alternative head is 200mm x 60mm.

Make your own adapter from some plexiglass, phenolic or sealed MDF. The bottom of the adapter fits whatever head you want to use while the placement of the foam weatherstripping on the top of the adapter mimics what ever small piece you're crafting. A hole in the middle of the adapter completes the task.

Makes perfect sense! :) I guess I'll use some plastic plate cutout in shape of oblong head and hole out the middle in 4 inch diameter.
Thanks so much! :)

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« Reply #316 on: February 16, 2022, 11:36 AM »
You'll have to make up your own hoses and fittings but yeah you can connect whatever vacuum pump you bought to any vacuum clamp.

https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Podz-Vacuum-Clamping-Jigs.html

These are 4"x4".

You just need a way to couple from european high flow fitting (on the pump), using a quick connect, to whatever hose you adapt to work with the clamps.

Awesome! this is good gadget I can consider. Thanks! :)

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« Reply #317 on: February 16, 2022, 11:55 AM »
For 30+ years I've been using a $15.00 surplus 220v Gast HVAC pump.  My new shop does not as yet have electric installed so I bought a Robinair VacuMaster Economy Vacuum Pump - 2-Stage, 5 CFM from Amazon for about $200.00.  It works great.

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« Reply #318 on: February 16, 2022, 01:28 PM »
BIS website shows the SE2 in stock.

No idea if that is accurate.

I ordered the SE1, SE2, pump combo but only receive the pump and SE2 today. I hope I am getting the SE1 that I already paid for and need the foot pedal from.

I'm in the same situation. I ordered the complete set with the accessory set and MFT clamp. I received the pump, SE2, and accessory kit, but not the SE1 and MFT clamp. I emailed BIS asking if I would be receiving the SE1 with foot pedal, and if not, what is their return policy. I have not heard back from them yet. My order was placed on 12/21/21.
Daniel

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« Reply #319 on: February 16, 2022, 01:41 PM »
BIS website shows the SE2 in stock.

No idea if that is accurate.

I ordered the SE1, SE2, pump combo but only receive the pump and SE2 today. I hope I am getting the SE1 that I already paid for and need the foot pedal from.

I'm in the same situation. I ordered the complete set with the accessory set and MFT clamp. I received the pump, SE2, and accessory kit, but not the SE1 and MFT clamp. I emailed BIS asking if I would be receiving the SE1 with foot pedal, and if not, what is their return policy. I have not heard back from them yet. My order was placed on 12/21/21.
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You could also demand some compensation.......  SE2 + Footpedal in exchange for the Missing SC1 , instead of walking away and returning the entire thing.

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« Reply #320 on: February 16, 2022, 02:53 PM »
BIS website shows the SE2 in stock.

No idea if that is accurate.

I ordered the SE1, SE2, pump combo but only receive the pump and SE2 today. I hope I am getting the SE1 that I already paid for and need the foot pedal from.

I'm in the same situation. I ordered the complete set with the accessory set and MFT clamp. I received the pump, SE2, and accessory kit, but not the SE1 and MFT clamp. I emailed BIS asking if I would be receiving the SE1 with foot pedal, and if not, what is their return policy. I have not heard back from them yet. My order was placed on 12/21/21.
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You could also demand some compensation.......  SE2 + Footpedal in exchange for the Missing SC1 , instead of walking away and returning the entire thing.

Festool doesn't necessarily allow their dealers to operate in that manner, though, based on SKU tracking and other restrictions.

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« Reply #321 on: February 16, 2022, 04:01 PM »
BIS website shows the SE2 in stock.

No idea if that is accurate.

I ordered the SE1, SE2, pump combo but only receive the pump and SE2 today. I hope I am getting the SE1 that I already paid for and need the foot pedal from.

I'm in the same situation. I ordered the complete set with the accessory set and MFT clamp. I received the pump, SE2, and accessory kit, but not the SE1 and MFT clamp. I emailed BIS asking if I would be receiving the SE1 with foot pedal, and if not, what is their return policy. I have not heard back from them yet. My order was placed on 12/21/21.

Same thing happened to me. Waiting on an update. Ordered on 12/16/2021. Missing the SE1.

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« Reply #322 on: February 16, 2022, 04:45 PM »
It will ship end of this month. I’m in a same boat.

BIS website shows the SE2 in stock.

No idea if that is accurate.

I ordered the SE1, SE2, pump combo but only receive the pump and SE2 today. I hope I am getting the SE1 that I already paid for and need the foot pedal from.

I'm in the same situation. I ordered the complete set with the accessory set and MFT clamp. I received the pump, SE2, and accessory kit, but not the SE1 and MFT clamp. I emailed BIS asking if I would be receiving the SE1 with foot pedal, and if not, what is their return policy. I have not heard back from them yet. My order was placed on 12/21/21.

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« Reply #323 on: February 17, 2022, 05:11 AM »
Just teasing you guys who are still waiting for their SE1… ;)


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« Reply #324 on: February 17, 2022, 10:58 AM »
Smart move for $50 the 5 will help with more porous wood with 2 heads and if you ever start vacuum bagging it will help draw down the bag faster.  Depending on the size of the bag it can take a bit.

Just received Excel 5 and assembled it! I haven't received my SE1 or SE2 yet, but would this be the way I setup for them? I plugged in male plug I got separately. I haven't tightened them since I wasn't sure.

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« Reply #325 on: February 17, 2022, 12:15 PM »
That looks correct to me. That's a nice looking pump.
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« Reply #326 on: February 17, 2022, 12:30 PM »
just FYI those compressed air fittings are not really made for vacuum and most likely will leak.  You will probably never notice since I think that pump just runs all the time and has no automatic cut off as is.  The quick connects joe sells have been the best.  Zero leaks after about a month of use.  The ones he sells I believe are made for mold injection.  I tried finding a source and the only place I could find was more than he sells them for.  An automatic pump is handy when bagging.  I sometimes put something in the bag at the end of the day and leave it till the next morning.  Having a pump that cycles on and off automatically allows this.  He also sells everything you need to convert it to monitor and make it automatic if you ever decide too. 

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« Reply #327 on: February 17, 2022, 12:52 PM »
just FYI those compressed air fittings are not really made for vacuum and most likely will leak.  You will probably never notice since I think that pump just runs all the time and has no automatic cut off as is.  The quick connects joe sells have been the best.  Zero leaks after about a month of use.  The ones he sells I believe are made for mold injection.  I tried finding a source and the only place I could find was more than he sells them for.  An automatic pump is handy when bagging.  I sometimes put something in the bag at the end of the day and leave it till the next morning.  Having a pump that cycles on and off automatically allows this.  He also sells everything you need to convert it to monitor and make it automatic if you ever decide too.
Hi there, is this the one Joe sells? (https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Quick-Connect-Assembly.html) How do you connect this to Festool tube?

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« Reply #328 on: February 17, 2022, 12:56 PM »
Smart move for $50 the 5 will help with more porous wood with 2 heads and if you ever start vacuum bagging it will help draw down the bag faster.  Depending on the size of the bag it can take a bit.

Just received Excel 5 and assembled it! I haven't received my SE1 or SE2 yet, but would this be the way I setup for them? I plugged in male plug I got separately. I haven't tightened them since I wasn't sure.
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Nice.   

See....... Was pretty easy and straightforward,  right.  ;-)


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« Reply #329 on: February 17, 2022, 01:09 PM »
@afish the fittings Festool uses are just regular old compressed air fittings  ;)

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« Reply #330 on: February 17, 2022, 01:12 PM »

Nice.   

See....... Was pretty easy and straightforward,  right.  ;-)



lol yes, it was more simple than I thought. that's why I was hesitant to finish it by tightening. haha :)
QQ, do you have any leakage issue with new connector attached?

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« Reply #331 on: February 17, 2022, 01:29 PM »
just FYI those compressed air fittings are not really made for vacuum and most likely will leak.  You will probably never notice since I think that pump just runs all the time and has no automatic cut off as is.  The quick connects joe sells have been the best.  Zero leaks after about a month of use.  The ones he sells I believe are made for mold injection.  I tried finding a source and the only place I could find was more than he sells them for.  An automatic pump is handy when bagging.  I sometimes put something in the bag at the end of the day and leave it till the next morning.  Having a pump that cycles on and off automatically allows this.  He also sells everything you need to convert it to monitor and make it automatic if you ever decide too.

I bought my fittings from a UK distributor, and they do leak.  When I turn off the pump, all vacuum is gone in a few seconds.  This doesn't seem to make much of a difference while the pump is running, but could cause problems if I lose power or suction and don't have those extra seconds to grab things before they fall.

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« Reply #332 on: February 17, 2022, 01:30 PM »
@JINRO  Yes, that links to the correct fitting I was talking about.  My pump kicks on somewhere around 21" and of around 25" It is adjustable but having a pump that cycles will let you know if you have leaks. 

@DynaGlide I cant really speak about the festool QC's since I dont use them. $50 for just the coupler was too pricy for me. Im not saying if they leak under vacuum or not. HOWEVER, I will also say if your pump doesnt cycle and just runs constantly like the Festool pump you will never know if they leak or not.  Small vacuum leaks are almost impossible to hear or find.  I know this since I had some leaks in the beginning and could not find them under vacuum.  I had to disconnect the vacuum pump and hook compressed air to the system.  As soon as I did I could hear the leak and double checked with soapy water just to be sure. My leak wasnt the QC it was two pvc joints.  "Most" compressed air QC are designed to seal under pressure so most will fail under vacuum.  Joe even states on his site that he has tested a bunch of different ones before finding the ones he sells. I also have had issues with Milton, and other HD/Lowes fittings.  My pump stays on 24/7 and it never cycles unless Im using it.  If there was a leak I would know.  If your pump doesnt cycle automatically you will never know if you have "small" leaks. 

As MikeGE just said a small leak isnt a big deal but if you have a bunch of QC and they all leak slightly you could be losing some clamping force.  A vacuum bag tends to leak even more too so its best practice to keep all leaks to a min or none at all if you can help it.   
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« Reply #333 on: February 17, 2022, 01:47 PM »
I bought my fittings from a UK distributor, and they do leak.  When I turn off the pump, all vacuum is gone in a few seconds.  This doesn't seem to make much of a difference while the pump is running, but could cause problems if I lose power or suction and don't have those extra seconds to grab things before they fall.

Hey Mike, that's exactly why I performed this test back in 2016...using the reservoir in the SE 1 will extend the amount of time you have by a factor of 10X. More than that if you are using both the SE 1 & SE 2.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/vac-sys-vacuum-decay-times/msg458918/#msg458918

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« Reply #334 on: February 17, 2022, 02:21 PM »

Nice.   

See....... Was pretty easy and straightforward,  right.  ;-)



lol yes, it was more simple than I thought. that's why I was hesitant to finish it by tightening. haha :)
QQ, do you have any leakage issue with new connector attached?
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Not at all.
It's an OEM Fit with the Festool, QC.
The only leaking comes from the wood.
If I use Alum. or plastic, it holds for quite a while.
With wood it will hold for about 60-120 sec. depending on the surface finish.

Definitely, use the base suction to increase your reserve as others have mentioned.


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« Reply #335 on: February 18, 2022, 07:29 AM »
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Not at all.
It's an OEM Fit with the Festool, QC.
The only leaking comes from the wood.
If I use Alum. or plastic, it holds for quite a while.
With wood it will hold for about 60-120 sec. depending on the surface finish.

Definitely, use the base suction to increase your reserve as others have mentioned.


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I Just wanted to thank you for all of your help!  [thumbs up] This pump is so small, light and quite. Feels extremely well made! SE1 is out for delivery now, Can't wait to use it today! :)

Edit: just got it delivered:)
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