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Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #120 on: December 19, 2021, 02:15 PM »
Anyone know why exactly the 'pump in Systainer' couldn't get UL certification?

Keep in mind that there's a difference between "couldn't obtain certification" and "weren't willing to go through what it would have taken to obtain certification".

This all occurred when Shane worked at Festool, and he mentioned that it "didn't pass UL Certification" and that a reason was provided but he wasn't aware of what it was at the time.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/vac-sys-in-north-america/msg116242/#msg116242
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/vac-sys-in-north-america/msg116245/#msg116245

My guess is "didn't pass" became "yeah, we're not going to do that."  The nice thing is, they still took the time to re-design it to have a different frame and tub and got UL certification with the new design instead.

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Offline elfick

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #121 on: December 20, 2021, 10:55 AM »
Anyone know why exactly the 'pump in Systainer' couldn't get UL certification?
Just wild speculation for the fun of it, but I'd guess it failed because the containing device could be easily opened while in use but couldn't be grounded.
Though that would make me wonder how the air compressors sold in systainers get certification... there must have been another piece to it.

Offline Coen

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« Reply #122 on: December 20, 2021, 11:01 AM »
Just wild speculation for the fun of it, but I'd guess it failed because the containing device could be easily opened while in use but couldn't be grounded.

Well yeah, it should be class II even if you open the Systainer.

Though that would make me wonder how the air compressors sold in systainers get certification... there must have been another piece to it.

They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

Offline MikeGE

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #123 on: December 20, 2021, 01:17 PM »
They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

My VAC SYS uses a plug-it cord.  Are you referencing something different?



Offline Coen

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #124 on: December 20, 2021, 02:30 PM »
They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

My VAC SYS uses a plug-it cord.  Are you referencing something different?




I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

Offline elfick

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #125 on: December 20, 2021, 02:39 PM »
They don't use the plug-it Cord but a 3-prong cable including ground.

My VAC SYS uses a plug-it cord.  Are you referencing something different?



Nope, that's exactly what he was referencing (though he was talking about the air compressors when he said they don't use them). It was the speculation that the ungrounded plug-it cord was the reason that model of vac sys didn't get approved in the US.

Offline MikeGE

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #126 on: December 20, 2021, 03:12 PM »
I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

 [big grin]   I bought the VAC SYS last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2021, 07:11 PM by MikeGE »

Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #127 on: December 20, 2021, 05:26 PM »
I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

 [big grin]   I bought the VAC SYS compressor last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.

Nomenclature about whether a vacuum pump is technically also a compressor aside, I believe @Coen is talking about the Rolair AIRSTAK and/or Senco Compressor Systainer, both of which use a grounded IEC 320 C13/C14 connection.

Offline elfick

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #128 on: December 20, 2021, 06:32 PM »
I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

 [big grin]   I bought the VAC SYS compressor last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.

Nomenclature about whether a vacuum pump is technically also a compressor aside, I believe @Coen is talking about the Rolair AIRSTAK and/or Senco Compressor Systainer, both of which use a grounded IEC 320 C13/C14 connection.
Would it be a "decompressor"  [big grin]
« Last Edit: December 21, 2021, 11:42 AM by elfick »

Offline Coen

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #129 on: December 21, 2021, 12:02 PM »
I was talking about the compressors in Systainer. But not sure on that one either now  [embarassed]

 [big grin]   I bought the VAC SYS compressor last year and it came as shown in the photo, complete with the two-conductor Plug-it cord.  It is the older Systainer and I had to use a different router template for the trays.

Nomenclature about whether a vacuum pump is technically also a compressor aside, I believe @Coen is talking about the Rolair AIRSTAK and/or Senco Compressor Systainer, both of which use a grounded IEC 320 C13/C14 connection.

Yeah, so no class II on those.

Offline Runhard

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #130 on: December 21, 2021, 03:35 PM »
Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?
Daniel

Offline Runhard

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #131 on: December 21, 2021, 04:04 PM »
Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?
I was able to place an order with BIS Festools-Online in case anyone else wants to place an order. They said that they have a few unspoken for.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2021, 07:10 PM by Runhard »
Daniel

Offline Darius

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #132 on: December 21, 2021, 06:48 PM »
Just placed pre-order with them as well.

Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?
I was able to place an order with BIS Festool’s-Online in case anyone else wants to place an order. They said that they have a few unspoken for.

Offline Runhard

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #133 on: December 21, 2021, 07:36 PM »
Just placed pre-order with them as well.

Looks like I waited too long because I can’t find the set anywhere. I just got off the phone with shopfestool and they are out as well. Any suggestions?
I was able to place an order with BIS Festool’s-Online in case anyone else wants to place an order. They said that they have a few unspoken for.
Great!

I also ordered the accessory kit and mounting plate for the MFT. I was thinking about an extra foot valve but didn’t know what all was needed to control the two modules independently, if that’s even possible.
Daniel

Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #134 on: December 22, 2021, 01:56 AM »
For independent control, you’ll need 2 foot valves.

Offline Runhard

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #135 on: December 22, 2021, 03:07 PM »
For independent control, you’ll need 2 foot valves.

Is that it, do I need more hose or fittings?
Daniel

Offline BarneyD

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #136 on: December 22, 2021, 05:18 PM »
I bought the complete set a couple of months ago. The foot valve comes with one of the ports plugged. But included with the set is a short length of hose and a valve which can be attached to the foot valve. If using only one base, you can close off that valve. If you want to add a second foot valve, just mount that short piece of hose/valve on the second one and you're golden.

Barney

Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #137 on: December 23, 2021, 12:27 AM »
Is that it, do I need more hose or fittings?

It all depends upon how Festool offers the foot valve when it's sold as a stand-alone item. When bundled with the SE1, its semi/tethered to the SE1 and has the second port plugged.

However when it's sold on it's own...who knows what's needed. My guess would be that both ports are plugged to prevent contamination. However, that could then become an issue because the face gaskets that are needed for the port plugs/connectors are not available for sale.

You'll need to talk with Festool customer service to ascertain exactly how the foot valve is leaving the service department.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2021, 12:30 AM by Cheese »

Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #138 on: December 23, 2021, 12:34 AM »
Is that it, do I need more hose or fittings?

It all depends upon how Festool offers the foot valve when it's sold as a stand-alone item. When bundled with the SE1, its semi/tethered to the SE1 and has the second port plugged.

However when it's sold on it's own...who knows what's needed. My guess would be that both ports are plugged to prevent contamination. However, that could then become an issue because the face gaskets that are needed for the port plugs/connectors are not available for sale.

You'll need to talk with Festool customer service to ascertain exactly how the foot valve is leaving the service department.

The standalone Foot Valve comes with one port plugged and the other with a length of hose attached. Basically the same way it comes with the SE1, just without the SE1 attached on the end of the hose.  The setup sheet that comes with the foot valve shows that you plug the black plastic fitting on the end of the hose into the SE module and it clicks into place.

That's how mine came, at least.  Sometimes these things change from one year to the next.

Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #139 on: December 23, 2021, 10:03 AM »
The standalone Foot Valve comes with one port plugged and the other with a length of hose attached. Basically the same way it comes with the SE1, just without the SE1 attached on the end of the hose.  The setup sheet that comes with the foot valve shows that you plug the black plastic fitting on the end of the hose into the SE module and it clicks into place.

That's how mine came, at least.  Sometimes these things change from one year to the next.

That's good to know because Festool has never specified exactly what is included with the foot valve. Is there a quick disconnect on the end of the hose?


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Offline zachjowi

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #140 on: December 23, 2021, 10:05 AM »
How well would this pump work with the cups?  I already have the pump from a really good deal I found but would like to use the Festool cups.  Thinking of trying to find the combo set of pump with sys1 and sys2 then sell the pump.

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-vacuum-pump

Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #141 on: December 23, 2021, 10:14 AM »
The standalone Foot Valve comes with one port plugged and the other with a length of hose attached. Basically the same way it comes with the SE1, just without the SE1 attached on the end of the hose.  The setup sheet that comes with the foot valve shows that you plug the black plastic fitting on the end of the hose into the SE module and it clicks into place.

That's how mine came, at least.  Sometimes these things change from one year to the next.

That's good to know because Festool has never specified exactly what is included with the foot valve. Is there a quick disconnect on the end of the hose?

I'll grab some pictures this evening and probably measure the hose as well.  There's no gray quick-disconnect, just a black plastic bayonet fitting.

Offline mike_aa

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #142 on: December 23, 2021, 02:44 PM »
How well would this pump work with the cups?  I already have the pump from a really good deal I found but would like to use the Festool cups.  Thinking of trying to find the combo set of pump with sys1 and sys2 then sell the pump.

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-vacuum-pump
I can't vouch for how well this pump might work, but Veneer Supplies has a similar one for less money.  They also have higher capacity units and they are a great company to deal with.

Mike A.

Offline denovo

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #143 on: December 23, 2021, 07:29 PM »

That's good to know because Festool has never specified exactly what is included with the foot valve. Is there a quick disconnect on the end of the hose?

If I remember correctly it's not the large grey quick disconnect but there is something similar to the 1/4" water line quick disconnect on the back of the vacuum head.  You push in the retaining ring and pull out the hose with the plastic adapter tube.  To attach it you just push it in and it locks in place with a slight pull.

Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #144 on: December 23, 2021, 09:15 PM »
Here's a picture of the way the foot valve arrives and a closeup of the directions on installing/using it.

I let the pedal sit on the ground and raised the hose up as high as it could go and it was a few inches taller than me.  I'm 5'10" on a good day, so I'd guess the hose is an honest 2 meters.




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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #145 on: December 24, 2021, 08:06 AM »
@squall_line Does that sheet with the foot valve have a parts breakdown with #'s? I'm interested in the little black plastic piece that goes into the tubing.

Edit nevermind it's 471568.
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Offline squall_line

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #146 on: December 24, 2021, 12:05 PM »
@squall_line Does that sheet with the foot valve have a parts breakdown with #'s? I'm interested in the little black plastic piece that goes into the tubing.

Edit nevermind it's 471568.

Funnily enough, it only came with a diagram for hooking it to an SE1 or a diagram to use the short hose with the valve to hook it to both an SE1 and SE2.  No exploded diagram or parts list like you would find with so many of their other products.

Glad you were able to find it!

Offline Cheese

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #147 on: December 25, 2021, 12:30 AM »
Funnily enough, it only came with a diagram for hooking it to an SE1 or a diagram to use the short hose with the valve to hook it to both an SE1 and SE2.  No exploded diagram or parts list like you would find with so many of their other products.

Thanks for that @squall_line ...that reminded me of how how the vac units are connected. I completely forgot about the connection down, underneath the bowels of the ship. Unseen by most persons. The Festo push-in connectors are great but they don't allow a lot of room for finger movement and fitting disengagement.


Offline rst

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #148 on: December 25, 2021, 08:18 AM »
I modified my set so that I could disconnect the hoses, making storage easier.  8 mm tubing is cheap as are push/pull fittings.  I buy part from Automation direct for my tinkering and creative engineering

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Re: VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?
« Reply #149 on: December 25, 2021, 08:47 AM »
Hi, they make a tool.guy