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Offline onevw

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Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« on: February 18, 2019, 05:18 AM »
I replaced my Sawstop contractors saw with this set up. See pic This does not make much financial sense. But I had both setups and do not have the space for both saws. I do not use the table saw very much I have MFT setups for most of that. The whole setup was hand carried from Germany except the saw motor.

I have a chance to buy a new Bosch flesh detection saw from US a  seller and sell could off the cms table saw system??  I am now thinking this Bosch thing could be weird enough for me and more compact. I do not need to travel with tools any more but do have limited space.

And the saw stop was a great saw.

Any comments would be nice.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2019, 05:33 AM by onevw »

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Offline Gregor

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2019, 06:02 AM »
I'm going to replace your new setup with a sawstop based table saw (as soon as it becomes available here), both because I like my fingers and adding/removing the dust hood holder / kerf blade on the CMS version is complete unfun.

Offline onevw

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2019, 08:22 AM »
I'm going to replace your new setup with a sawstop based table saw (as soon as it becomes available here), both because I like my fingers and adding/removing the dust hood holder / kerf blade on the CMS version is complete unfun.

UNFUN is a great word to describe the CMS table saw system well stated Sir.

Rick

Offline JimH2

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 11:05 AM »
To each his own, but these are not inexpensive decisions.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2019, 09:29 PM by JimH2 »

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2019, 07:07 PM »
Do you have any other CMS modules such as the router table and jig saw?

If not then wh the heck not get the Bosch.

I got the same set up as you do.

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2019, 01:20 AM »
I left the TS75 in the cms and got a TS55. Instant happiness;-)

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2019, 04:34 AM »
I replaced my Sawstop contractors saw with this set up. See pic This does not make much financial sense. But I had both setups and do not have the space for both saws. I do not use the table saw very much I have MFT setups for most of that. The whole setup was hand carried from Germany except the saw motor.

I have a chance to buy a new Bosch flesh detection saw from US a  seller and sell could off the cms table saw system??  I am now thinking this Bosch thing could be weird enough for me and more compact. I do not need to travel with tools any more but do have limited space.

And the saw stop was a great saw.

Any comments would be nice.

I just bought the same set up as you, but without extensions. Works great in terms of space, though I am wondering on how keen I am to remove the saw to use on the track all the time. Maybe I will just buy another saw! I am having trouble lining up the moving table though, as it sits approx 3mm higher than the CMS. If I apply pressure near the the blade, I will not get a straight vertical edge.
Have to say, once I get that dialed in, I will be happy with this setup, though that Bosch does look interesting!
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 08:03 AM by Aegir »

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2019, 07:50 AM »
My biggest issue is the festool vacuum/safety thing connector. Its not east to remove for non through cuts.

And yes I have a complete Cms router setup with out a set of extensions or sliding table. I can just transfer if needed from the cms saw.

Also I am not in for profit setting with these tools so the extra time to fiddle with the cms saw is just "unfun".

I also have ts55 stand alone so the 75 stays in the table

Rick



« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 07:53 AM by onevw »

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2019, 07:57 AM »
Also

What the correct procedure for setting the cs50's sliding fence when ripping?

Rick


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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2019, 10:56 AM »
To adj the sliding tables fence,
I move the fence as close to the blade as I can, take a pencil hold it to the fence of the sliding table move the fence back anf forth make sure its cutting square. You can tell by the pencil marks on the blade and the way the pencil rides against the blade and adjust the angle stop as needed.

Now heres another thing I figured out the CS 50 fence needs to be adjusted when its
used in a CMS. Im not sure but I think the CS50/70s saw is set traditional like ours parallel to the fence.

When used in the CMS with a TS55/75 it doesnt acount for the toe in on the TS saws. I found after it cuts on the front of the blade and gets to the riving knife it tends to pull away from the fence.

I talked to Phil and he mentioned 4 fence adj screws under the fences head in the front to adj the fence. I didnt really understood what he meant. So I fiddled with it over and over.

After even having a festool rep (when I lived in the UK) come and look at it and  not being able to figure this issue out.

 after moving back to the states a friend who is a very experianced woodworker mentioned about the toe in. Then I remembered what Phil told me and it clicked in my noggan.

So I loosened the 4 screws adjusted the fence to the saws toe in which puts the fence parallel to the blade. I got a much better cut using 4/4 cherry and it didn't pull away from the fencebc of the riving knife.

Also I had to adj the extension table to make sure the V grooves were inlined certainly helps when moving the fence

I may be off base if anyone has a better idea please let me know.

But it worked for me


Offline JimH2

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2019, 11:51 AM »
Do you have any extension tables and what is the size of the table? A photo of your setup would be great. It's not for me, but is very interesting.

Offline onevw

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2019, 10:55 AM »
To adj the sliding tables fence,
I move the fence as close to the blade as I can, take a pencil hold it to the fence of the sliding table move the fence back anf forth make sure its cutting square. You can tell by the pencil marks on the blade and the way the pencil rides against the blade and adjust the angle stop as needed.

Now heres another thing I figured out the CS 50 fence needs to be adjusted when its
used in a CMS. Im not sure but I think the CS50/70s saw is set traditional like ours parallel to the fence.

When used in the CMS with a TS55/75 it doesnt acount for the toe in on the TS saws. I found after it cuts on the front of the blade and gets to the riving knife it tends to pull away from the fence.

I talked to Phil and he mentioned 4 fence adj screws under the fences head in the front to adj the fence. I didnt really understood what he meant. So I fiddled with it over and over.

After even having a festool rep (when I lived in the UK) come and look at it and  not being able to figure this issue out.

 after moving back to the states a friend who is a very experianced woodworker mentioned about the toe in. Then I remembered what Phil told me and it clicked in my noggan.

So I loosened the 4 screws adjusted the fence to the saws toe in which puts the fence parallel to the blade. I got a much better cut using 4/4 cherry and it didn't pull away from the fencebc of the riving knife.

Also I had to adj the extension table to make sure the V grooves were inlined certainly helps when moving the fence

I may be off base if anyone has a better idea please let me know.

But it worked for me

Many thanks for the response!

I am trying to ask what is the correct use of the rt side fence. I am thinking its a cs50.

The fence has a sliding face that can be move front to rear and help control kick back pinching.

I think this is a common anti kickback design in many countries not like the teeth from the top we use in the USA.

I am not sure where it should be set when moved to the rear.

If not set correctly the cms TSXX system can be a rocket launcher!!!

Rick

Offline HowardH

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2019, 12:13 PM »
I have the CMS GE with the router and jig saw set ups.  It would be an easy leap to get the 75 and matching CMS module and I could get rid of my cheap, Rigid Home Depot saw.  I love that you can easily move the fence to either side of the blade.  I already have a TS55 so I also would keep the 75 permanently mounted.  It would save shop space, for sure, and fit into the system.  I got the set when I purchased the GE so it appears I would have duplicate miter gauges, fences, etc. since it looks like the CMS TS75 module comes with all those parts.   
Howard H
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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2019, 12:27 PM »
Do you have any extension tables and what is the size of the table? A photo of your setup would be great. It's not for me, but is very interesting.

Mine is the same as the OPs

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2019, 12:33 PM »
@HowardH

Yes you get a extra angle stop with the CMS TS module. But it is a bit different. It is a bit longer then the one that comes with the MFT.  Plus a second angle stop come in handy.
But as far as extension tables go, I would get the one with the 2 legs (looks like MFT legs) rather then the one I got which has the 2 arms that attach to the CMS (like the outfeed that comes with the CMS GE). It cost a little more but I think you will be happier with it.

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2019, 12:37 PM »
Thanks.  Can you buy the side extension table in the US?  It's not listed, from what I can tell, on the US website.  I have the outfeed table but having the side table would be critical, I would imagine. 
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Offline onevw

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2019, 06:38 PM »
Thanks.  Can you buy the side extension table in the US?  It's not listed, from what I can tell, on the US website.  I have the outfeed table but having the side table would be critical, I would imagine.

Not with Mother Festoosl USA blessings but ebay has them from sellers on the other side of the wall.

Rick

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2019, 07:23 PM »
Check out this Great Russian wood workers Festool tracksaw blade adjustment system he built.

\Has not returned email about how too get one made or buy the code go print one.



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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2019, 08:34 PM »
Check out this Great Russian wood workers Festool tracksaw blade adjustment system he built.
He is a Ukrainian woodworker.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2019, 09:17 PM »
Thanks.  Can you buy the side extension table in the US?  It's not listed, from what I can tell, on the US website.  I have the outfeed table but having the side table would be critical, I would imagine.

Ya know Howard, Im not entirely sure ya cant buy it here. After all its not a tool its a accessory . I would get a PN and call festool and see.

If not order it online from a Euro company that will ship here.

 the one I got is the one that attaches to the CMS with the adj arms. The one I recommend getting is the one with the legs

Offline onevw

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2019, 10:05 PM »
Check out this Great Russian wood workers Festool tracksaw blade adjustment system he built.
He is a Ukrainian woodworker.

Us old people still remember it as one, hard to grow up with one and now separate.

I have great respect for the whole region.

Rick

Offline HowardH

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2019, 05:28 PM »

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Ya know Howard, Im not entirely sure ya cant buy it here. After all its not a tool its a accessory . I would get a PN and call festool and see.

If not order it online from a Euro company that will ship here.

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I called.  Nope.  NAINA.   Makes no sense since it's not a UL part. 
Howard H
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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2019, 06:32 PM »
How long is the rail for the sliding table? And roughly the width of the rail, and it's height.   

Also how hard is taking it on and off?

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2019, 08:07 PM »
shooting from the hip I'd say roughly 45".

 Very easy just 2 knobs

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2019, 01:58 AM »
Check out this Great Russian wood workers Festool tracksaw blade adjustment system he built.

\Has not returned email about how too get one made or buy the code go print one.

I found the file

https://www.patreon.com/posts/festool-ts55-19814218

https://www.patreon.com/posts/mirock-gear-lift-19825106


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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2019, 05:28 AM »
My biggest issue is the festool vacuum/safety thing connector. Its not east to remove for non through cuts.

And yes I have a complete Cms router setup with out a set of extensions or sliding table. I can just transfer if needed from the cms saw.

Also I am not in for profit setting with these tools so the extra time to fiddle with the cms saw is just "unfun".

I also have ts55 stand alone so the 75 stays in the table

Rick

Hi Rick,

I do a lot of rebate work with my CMS-TS in fact if it were not for that capability I would not have the setup at all. The CMS-TS is the only table saw that I have and it does everything that I cannot do on my track saw cutting station created with the PGS.

I frequently remove then replace the blade guard and can do both operations in under 1 minute. The trick is to use a very neat little ratchet from Wera:

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I do not use the adapter shown in the ratchet in this picture but put the hex bit straight into it. From frequent operations I can find the hex screw without crouching down or doing anything with the CMS and can locate and replace it easily too.

The reason I am happy to do rebates with the CMS-TS is that even when the blade guard and built-in riving knife are removed the saw's own riving knife comes into play. Even so, Festool do not recommend this usage and everyone must do this at their own risk.

Peter

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2019, 09:09 PM »
I'm trying to figure out if the new MW 1000 could be attached directly and stabilized to the CMS base to fill in as an extension table...the set-ups that use an INCRA fence would perhaps be a nice upgrade.  Question back out there to the group...does the the MW1000 attached in some manner to a CMS edge profile to then become a useful accessory.  it would be available in NA.

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2019, 09:18 PM »
Well..looking at a product website, the MW 1000 it is listed as compatible and an accessory to the CMS system so perhaps I've answered my own question on this.....

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Turning my CMS into my stationary table saw
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2019, 07:13 AM »
I'm trying to figure out if the new MW 1000 could be attached directly and stabilized to the CMS base to fill in as an extension table...the set-ups that use an INCRA fence would perhaps be a nice upgrade.  Question back out there to the group...does the the MW1000 attached in some manner to a CMS edge profile to then become a useful accessory.  it would be available in NA.

Just checked on my set ups… I suppose you meant the extension to the MW 1000 (aka as Base TSB/1-MW 1000), which I own. The connector does fit the extrusions of the CMS-base unit, but because these lack the square slot under the V, the extension will not lock onto the CMS-GE, as it does with an MFT/3.
In practice this may not be an issue if you use it for lighter tasks. It will slide in the V-groove, so it is not as solid as it will be on the MFT/3.
Mine has a semi-permanent position on the right side of the MFT/3. And I love it. : )
Cheers, Bert Vanderveen

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