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Offline williswine

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TS 60 KEBQ-Plus: 50-60Hz or only 50Hz nameplate?
« on: January 21, 2023, 07:26 PM »
I want the anti-kickback system and the cord found in the TS 60 KEBQ-Plus but that is not (yet?) available in the US where I am. I could take a chance without warranty and buy one in Europe.

Can those of you, European owners of this new track saw, please check its nameplate: is it rated at 50-60Hz or only 50Hz? I can't find this info anywhere. I assume that voltage-wise it can run without issue on US 220-240V but I don't know if the increased frequency over here in the US would be an issue, hence my question.
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Offline guybo

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Re: TS 60 KEBQ-Plus: 50-60Hz or only 50Hz nameplate?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2023, 07:51 PM »
Hi, welcome to the fog,it shows they offer both in 110and 240v.So it may soon be offer statside, in120v.
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Offline williswine

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Re: TS 60 KEBQ-Plus: 50-60Hz or only 50Hz nameplate?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2023, 10:36 PM »
That's a find guybo! While there's hope it becomes available statewide, if it doesn't, the 230V version would do. I just don't know if it would work at 60Hz so a picture of the nameplate or just the info would help. I don't know if Festool customer service would provide that information...
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Offline wpz

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Re: TS 60 KEBQ-Plus: 50-60Hz or only 50Hz nameplate?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2023, 05:49 AM »
It does say 50-60Hz on the nameplate:
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Offline Coen

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Re: TS 60 KEBQ-Plus: 50-60Hz or only 50Hz nameplate?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2023, 07:27 AM »
TS60 has a brushless motor, so I would expect the 50 or 60 Hz won't matter.

Quote from: guybo on January 21, 2023, 07:51 PM
Hi, welcome to the fog,it shows they offer both in 110and 240v.So it may soon be offer statside, in120v.

@mino ; seems you were wrong
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: TS 60 KEBQ-Plus: 50-60Hz or only 50Hz nameplate?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2023, 07:45 AM »
Quote from: Coen on January 22, 2023, 07:27 AM
TS60 has a brushless motor, so I would expect the 50 or 60 Hz won't matter.

Quote from: guybo on January 21, 2023, 07:51 PM
Hi, welcome to the fog,it shows they offer both in 110and 240v.So it may soon be offer statside, in120v.

@mino ; seems you were wrong

Aren't most electronic things designed for a + or - of 10% anyway? This would hit right close to that.
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Offline Coen

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Re: TS 60 KEBQ-Plus: 50-60Hz or only 50Hz nameplate?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2023, 09:54 AM »
Quote from: Crazyraceguy on January 22, 2023, 07:45 AM
Quote from: Coen on January 22, 2023, 07:27 AM
TS60 has a brushless motor, so I would expect the 50 or 60 Hz won't matter.

Quote from: guybo on January 21, 2023, 07:51 PM
Hi, welcome to the fog,it shows they offer both in 110and 240v.So it may soon be offer statside, in120v.

@mino ; seems you were wrong

Aren't most electronic things designed for a + or - of 10% anyway? This would hit right close to that.

Not everything. The basic bedside alarm clocks use the mains frequency to keep track of time. They might work at 100-250V, but if you bring a European one to the USA and sync it at midnight, you will find your 07:00 alarm going off at 05:50. This was a big stink  fours years ago when, due to some payment conflict between energy companies in the Balkans, all those in clocks in Europe got 5 minutes behind in two months (due to prolonged 49.9 Hz instead of 50). At that point people started to correct them manually... but in the following months they "repaired" the time gap by running 50.1...

Also some types of motors run at mains frequency; 3600 rpm in the USA, 3000 rpm in Europe.

But a lot of modern electronics just starts out with rectifying everything and those can be build to accept 100-250 50-60 Hz. Some of those phone adapters even work on 48V.
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Offline williswine

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Re: TS 60 KEBQ-Plus: 50-60Hz or only 50Hz nameplate?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2023, 02:55 AM »
wpz: thank you! This is what I was hoping for [smile]

Coen: I had the same expectation of a brushless motor but actual confirmation is great reassurance.

I've also been looking at the Mafell MT 55 cc (since it comes with a cord and has its own anti-kickback system) but it's even harder to figure out what power it supports. I understand there is a 230V/50Hz version for the EU ex-UK, a 110V/50Hz version for the UK and a 120V/60Hz version for NA. It appears the latter two are one and the same, i.e. a Cuprex Compact universal motor supporting 110/120V 50/60Hz, but with the nameplate differing depending on the country. One has to actually open the case to reveal the motor that has its own label showing Mafell AG 110/120V 50/60Hz. I wonder if that is still the case... And then I also wonder if that applies to the P1cc.
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Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: TS 60 KEBQ-Plus: 50-60Hz or only 50Hz nameplate?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2023, 05:28 AM »

The TS60 still only appears on the UK website in 230V. But from the post above, it looks as though the 110/120V version is actually going to happen at some point - that alone answers a lot of questions which have been asked on here.
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Offline Coen

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Re: TS 60 KEBQ-Plus: 50-60Hz or only 50Hz nameplate?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2023, 11:52 AM »
Quote from: williswine on January 23, 2023, 02:55 AM
wpz: thank you! This is what I was hoping for [smile]

Coen: I had the same expectation of a brushless motor but actual confirmation is great reassurance.

That something can be made to work with 100-250 doesn't mean it always is. Sometimes it's more efficient to just optimize it for 110 or 230 and forget about the compatibility. I know that the speakerset I have was made for 100-240V, but when the power supply board breaks down, the most used revision it to optimize it for one of those and loose compatibility with the other.
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