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Offline Owego

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Track Saws
« on: February 17, 2021, 02:55 PM »
My TS 55 died.  I need a replacement.  What do you recommend ?  I have used the TS55 mostly for breaking down sheet stock.  It's depth of cut and power were adequate to do a good job.  But cutting thicker stock is a real chore for it.  I would consider switching models, including battery operated but I have significant track assets (4, 5, and 9 footers) that I do not want to replace.  I see  there are HK model machines but I know if they are compatible with my tracks.  Also TS 75's are currently unavailable.  Are they being phased out ?

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Offline Blues

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2021, 03:51 PM »
Mafell MT55. TS75 draws max 13 A, MT55 draws max 13.5A. It's more powerful than ts75. Cutting depth is 2".
MT55 will ride on the festool track.. no problem.  Note the cut line can be away from your existing old track. You may need new splinter guards. Saw cannot be adjusted. Since it rides on the festool track @45° cut line will be 1mm away. Brilliant saw.  Excellent features. Awesome dust collection.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2021, 04:42 PM »
I've been using a Makita cordless plunge saw for a few years now that works on the Festool rail and have had no issues even cutting 2x material. For really thick stock I added a Makita 9-1/4" cordless circular saw that works on the rails too.

Offline mino

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2021, 07:17 PM »
My TS 55 died.  I need a replacement.  What do you recommend ?  I have used the TS55 mostly for breaking down sheet stock.  It's depth of cut and power were adequate to do a good job.  But cutting thicker stock is a real chore for it.  I would consider switching models, including battery operated but I have significant track assets (4, 5, and 9 footers) that I do not want to replace.  I see  there are HK model machines but I know if they are compatible with my tracks.  Also TS 75's are currently unavailable.  Are they being phased out ?
Hate to ask.
But. Did you change the brushes ?
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Offline Owego

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2021, 08:06 PM »
No.  I shud'a looked.  Too late, sent it in to Festool Service this morning.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2021, 06:32 PM »
Also TS 75's are currently unavailable.  Are they being phased out ?

I think it's just the lack of supply because of the combination of the new Systainer roll-out and Corona virus shut-downs. I would hope that they come back in the next few months.
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Offline mino

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2021, 07:51 PM »
My TS 55 died.  I need a replacement.  What do you recommend ?  I have used the TS55 mostly for breaking down sheet stock.  It's depth of cut and power were adequate to do a good job.  But cutting thicker stock is a real chore for it.  I would consider switching models, including battery operated but I have significant track assets (4, 5, and 9 footers) that I do not want to replace.  I see  there are HK model machines but I know if they are compatible with my tracks.  Also TS 75's are currently unavailable.  Are they being phased out ?
To the original comment, I would consider the HK85 ahead of the TS75 as a complement for TS 55.
It will gives additional capability with the dado option once you get your TS 55 back. The TS75 which is really just a "bigger TS 55".

IMO the TS75 is a very specialist tool and getting it just for power is not worth it.

Pls ignore, missed the HK85 is NAINA ...
« Last Edit: February 19, 2021, 04:13 AM by mino »
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2021, 08:06 PM »

To the original comment, I would consider the HK85 ahead of the TS75 as a complement for TS 55.


OP list as being in the US.  HK85's don't exist in North America

Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2021, 07:41 AM »
TS75. It’s depth of cut is better than Mafell’s.   No brainer for me.  I’ve had ZERO issues using my TS75 for making 10’ long rip cuts on 10/4 White Oak and Ash. Not cutting this with the Mafell.  Not even close. 
« Last Edit: February 19, 2021, 07:43 AM by TXFIVEO »

Offline Coen

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2021, 09:47 AM »

To the original comment, I would consider the HK85 ahead of the TS75 as a complement for TS 55.


OP list as being in the US.  HK85's don't exist in North America

Import one.  ;)

My type of Thinkpad didn't exist in Europe either. Guess what... I got one from the US and it saved me 500 bucks.  [cool]

Offline mrB

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2021, 03:14 PM »
NB: the ts75 won’t cross cut a 4’ sheet with a 1400 rail apparently. The bigger base means it needs more “lead in” of track before the cut.

I assume the op tried the appropriate blades when deciding power was low for certain cuts in the TS55?
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2021, 07:00 PM »
While you “could” import one (European HK) modifications will have to be made to accommodate different voltage/wiring...and good luck with warranty service here in the states. 

Get the TS75. You will be pleased. 

Offline JimH2

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2021, 08:32 PM »
TS75. It’s depth of cut is better than Mafell’s.   No brainer for me.  I’ve had ZERO issues using my TS75 for making 10’ long rip cuts on 10/4 White Oak and Ash. Not cutting this with the Mafell.  Not even close.

This issue for me on the TS75 is the weight which is tiresome for me when using it for long periods of time. I would consider that the only reason not to get it.

Offline mino

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2021, 08:36 PM »
TS75. It’s depth of cut is better than Mafell’s.   No brainer for me.  I’ve had ZERO issues using my TS75 for making 10’ long rip cuts on 10/4 White Oak and Ash. Not cutting this with the Mafell.  Not even close.

This issue for me on the TS75 is the weight which is tiresome for me when using it for long periods of time. I would consider that the only reason not to get it.
I believe OP was looking for a complement to TS55 and in this role a TS75 is great.
But it is no replacement for a daily driver indeed.
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Offline AnthonyE

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2021, 05:21 PM »
I'd be curious what happened to your original TS55.  Brushes are a wear item and have a finite amount of life in them. There are many other issues that could arise that may be easily fixed with a little troubleshooting.  If you don't want to bother I'll give it a shot! [wink]

THere is no eta when TS75's might be available again therefore I don't think I'd be looking at one of those.  You may even struggle to get a TS55 for a while. If I had the extra $ I'd seriously consider the Mafell MT55.

Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2021, 08:37 PM »
Depth of cut (or lack thereof) on the Mafell is a no go for me. 

Offline Lincoln

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2021, 04:56 AM »
Depth of cut (or lack thereof) on the Mafell is a no go for me.

How can it be a 'lack of depth', when it's a 55mm depth of cut? Is it advertised as deeper than that? There are other Mafell saws that have a deeper cut.

Offline AnthonyE

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2021, 06:37 AM »
Depth of cut (or lack thereof) on the Mafell is a no go for me.

You will need to expand on what you mean by this.  I don't understand how this saw is different than the Festool TS55 in terms of depth of cut???!!

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2021, 10:00 AM »
You loose like 1mm of depth on the mafell rail right  [tongue]

Offline Cheese

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2021, 11:18 AM »
You loose like 1mm of depth on the mafell rail right  [tongue]

Rail height for Festool rails is 5 mm, while rail height for Mafell rails is 6 mm. However, Mafell offers a 162 mm blade for the MT 55 that makes the issue go away.  [smile]

Offline Coen

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2021, 11:33 AM »
You loose like 1mm of depth on the mafell rail right  [tongue]

Rail height for Festool rails is 5 mm, while rail height for Mafell rails is 6 mm. However, Mafell offers a 162 mm blade for the MT 55 that makes the issue go away.  [smile]

Then it's cutting depth is still 20mm less than that of the TS75.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2021, 11:50 AM »
You loose like 1mm of depth on the mafell rail right  [tongue]

Rail height for Festool rails is 5 mm, while rail height for Mafell rails is 6 mm. However, Mafell offers a 162 mm blade for the MT 55 that makes the issue go away.  [smile]


@Coen

Then you need the K85  [wink] 10mm more than the TS75

https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-k85ec-circular-saw

Ron


Then it's cutting depth is still 20mm less than that of the TS75.

Offline Coen

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2021, 11:59 AM »
@rvieceli don't write your response inside the quote tags...
As for that K85; I don't see why I would ever pay €440 more for that over a Festool HK85

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2021, 12:33 PM »
well,  the Mafell exist in North America and is in 110V too.   The Festool doesn't, and as you may know, trying to get Festool Products into N.A. from Europe is not easy, and will have no support.  When there is a real option in the US, verses trying to get one in from elsewhere, the US available option wins in most situations.

Offline Coen

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2021, 01:30 PM »
well,  the Mafell exist in North America and is in 110V too.   The Festool doesn't, and as you may know, trying to get Festool Products into N.A. from Europe is not easy, and will have no support.  When there is a real option in the US, verses trying to get one in from elsewhere, the US available option wins in most situations.

Huh? From what I know a whole bunch of dealers ship overseas. And any private citizen can do the same even regardless of manufacturer-issued export-bans, but then you end up paying the local VAT too.


Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2021, 01:43 PM »
Festool Prevents any dealer from exporting them out.  If you try you will get a prompt telling you they won't sell it to you. Some folks get stuff, but I think it usual means you have to go ebay, and hope for the best, but even then you might get rejected.  Dealers won't risk loosing their deal with festool just to ship a few units to someone in the US.

If someone knows someone in those places, that is the easiest way, but of course someone has to know someone over there and have that kind of relationship with to go thru them buying, them shipping, etc.

I think in the past it was easier, and there were some dealers more willing to do it. I've certainly yet to find one who will ship stuff. Even the non electrical stuff that people often report having more success, I haven't seen anything I could get yet.

Offline Lincoln

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2021, 05:37 PM »
You loose like 1mm of depth on the mafell rail right  [tongue]

Rail height for Festool rails is 5 mm, while rail height for Mafell rails is 6 mm. However, Mafell offers a 162 mm blade for the MT 55 that makes the issue go away.  [smile]

Then it's cutting depth is still 20mm less than that of the TS75.

And the TS75 depth is less than the Mafell K85 - still not sure what the point is of comparing saws with different sized blades, then comparing depth of cut??

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2021, 05:59 PM »
Festool Prevents any dealer from exporting them out.  If you try you will get a prompt telling you they won't sell it to you. Some folks get stuff, but I think it usual means you have to go ebay, and hope for the best, but even then you might get rejected.  Dealers won't risk loosing their deal with festool just to ship a few units to someone in the US.

If someone knows someone in those places, that is the easiest way, but of course someone has to know someone over there and have that kind of relationship with to go thru them buying, them shipping, etc.

I think in the past it was easier, and there were some dealers more willing to do it. I've certainly yet to find one who will ship stuff. Even the non electrical stuff that people often report having more success, I haven't seen anything I could get yet.

I hate to be pointing this out, but this is basically just idle speculation.  Grey market imports may not have local service support, but there are lots of authorised dealers and non-authorised resellers who will ship 110V power tools of all makes and models, Festool included, to buyers in the USA.  Does it make sense to buy grey market?  Well, maybe.  That depends on the tool, the savings and the buyers expectations.  But let's hold fire on presenting your opinions about how this stuff works as if it were fact.  It's not. 

I write that with a couple of decades of experience exporting tech hardware to the USA.  EU based manufacturers can't actually prevent EU based dealers selling via 'grey market' channels to export buyers, as long as there's not a sanctioned embargo on the destination.  It's a strictly anticompetitive practice, against the law and attempts to prevent such practices at smaller scales don't make any sense for a manufacturer.  The financial penalties can be severe. 

Reading some of what you write generally, I get the impression you've had bad experiences personally in the past, but that doesn't mean for a moment that a US buyer can't source a European manufactured tool directly from a European retailer.  To suggest otherwise is simply not true.
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Offline mino

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2021, 06:49 PM »
I write that with a couple of decades of experience exporting tech hardware to the USA.  EU based manufacturers can't actually prevent EU based dealers selling via 'grey market' channels to export buyers, as long as there's not a sanctioned embargo on the destination.  It's a strictly anticompetitive practice, against the law and attempts to prevent such practices at smaller scales don't make any sense for a manufacturer.  The financial penalties can be severe. 

Reading some of what you write generally, I get the impression you've had bad experiences personally in the past, but that doesn't mean for a moment that a US buyer can't source a European manufactured tool directly from a European retailer.  To suggest otherwise is simply not true.
I still stand that a HK85-ish saw is an excellent complement to a TS/TSC 55 and a better choice for most than a TS75. But in US market it is not the Festool one.

HK85 is a specialist tool and since it was never imported to US, there is zero presence of spare parts or any servicing capability whatsoever.

If Maffel was not available, it may be worth it to import. But with Maffel around it makes no practical sense.

This is a 20+year lifespan tool. Without service support it is half the value, maybe less. Not to mention the regulatory/insurance aspects of using it, the no-practical-warranty scenario etc. Just not worth it with the Maffel being around.
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Offline Coen

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Re: Track Saws
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2021, 07:18 PM »
Festool Prevents any dealer from exporting them out.  If you try you will get a prompt telling you they won't sell it to you. Some folks get stuff, but I think it usual means you have to go ebay, and hope for the best, but even then you might get rejected.  Dealers won't risk loosing their deal with festool just to ship a few units to someone in the US.

If someone knows someone in those places, that is the easiest way, but of course someone has to know someone over there and have that kind of relationship with to go thru them buying, them shipping, etc.

I think in the past it was easier, and there were some dealers more willing to do it. I've certainly yet to find one who will ship stuff. Even the non electrical stuff that people often report having more success, I haven't seen anything I could get yet.

In the past it mainly came down to "I don't understand this German-language website".