Author Topic: Thinnest Kerf Blade on a TS55 (Read 10835 times)

ianwalls · « **on:** June 10, 2010, 04:51 PM »

Hi all.

Does anyone know of the thinnest possible blade available for the TS55? Any brand, although it would be handy if it were available in the UK. I have the universal blade that comes in at 2.2mm and am looking for something a little thinner...

Cheers!

Dan Clark · « **Reply #1 on:** June 10, 2010, 05:14 PM »

Ian,

At .063", I believe that would be the Tenryu "PSW-16052CB2TK" on this page: http://www.tenryu.com/ps.html .

Regards,

Dan.

WarnerConstCo. · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2010, 05:41 PM »

I think all the blades from tenryu and festool are the same kerf.

Dan Clark · « **Reply #3 on:** June 10, 2010, 05:44 PM »

I think you may be correct except for the "PSW-16052CB2TK". It's got an ultra-thin kerf and requires a special, narrower Tenryu riving knife.

Regards,

Dan.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #4 on:** June 10, 2010, 06:14 PM »

Quote from: Dan Clark on June 10, 2010, 05:14 PM

Ian,

At .063", I believe that would be the Tenryu "PSW-16052CB2TK" on this page: http://www.tenryu.com/ps.html .

Regards,

Dan.

That is the plate thickness, the kerf on that Tnryu is listed as .087" or about 2.2 mm.

This is the thinnest kerf blade that will fit on a Festool 55...

The actual kerf as measured in the wood (which is almost always larger than the manufacture's
stated kerf) is a mere 1.2 mm and this thing cuts great, at least as smooth as the Festool fine blade.
With the tiny kerf and low load on the saw it rips easily (and still smoothly) too. The obvious (and only)
downside is that the maximum depth of cut on the guide rail at 90 degrees is 26mm.

Dan Clark · « **Reply #5 on:** June 10, 2010, 08:43 PM »

Michael,

I won't argue about the actual kerf, but manufacturers stated kerf for the Tenryu "PSW-16052CB2TK" is .063. The plate on this is .040. This is the 52 teeth, "Wood (Finish cuts) with Riving Knife". The reason for the riving knife is the ultra-narrow kerf.

According to the manufacture, the Freud blade has a kerf of .049". That's very thin.

Using the Freud specs as a baseline, this would indicate that the Tenryu's actual kerf will be something like .065. Not as good as Freud's kerf, but not too bad either. And it's diameter is 6.66" for a deeper cut.

Each blade has its pluses and minuses.

Regards,

Dan.

p.s., All of the other TS55 Tenryu blades have the same, .087" kerf.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #6 on:** June 11, 2010, 12:38 AM »

Thanks for the correction and getting me to take a closer look at that list Dan.
That does sound good. Now, where in the world can you buy one of those?

Didn't someone from Tenryu post a bunch of info about these blades 2 years ago?
It seemed like they were interested in getting feedback at the time but now
that they're actually manufacturing the blades why do they hide them?

Dan Clark · « **Reply #7 on:** June 11, 2010, 01:40 AM »

Michael,

I bought mine here: http://www.inlandtools.com/products.php?cat=33 , but it looks like their out of stock. It looks like you can get them here: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_sq_top?ie=UTF8&cloe_id=eb193c11-446c-4e53-afa0-81eb62331d9d&attrMsgId=LPWidget-A1&keywords=tenryu%20festool&index=blended&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001V9Q0D0&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=146KTX9Q0HVX0HC5ZCA5 .

Regards,

Dan.

RonWen · « **Reply #8 on:** June 11, 2010, 07:33 AM »

"Didn't someone from Tenryu post a bunch of info about these blades 2 years ago?"

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/let's-talk-about-saw-blades/

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #9 on:** June 11, 2010, 09:26 AM »

Thanks for the links Dan and thanks Ron for locating that old thread. The top of the last page has the best info, including a picture of the very thin blade Dan mentioned.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #10 on:** June 11, 2010, 09:32 AM »

Quote from: Michael Kellough on June 11, 2010, 12:38 AM

Thanks for the correction and getting me to take a closer look at that list Dan.
That does sound good. Now, where in the world can you buy one of those?

Didn't someone from Tenryu post a bunch of info about these blades 2 years ago?
It seemed like they were interested in getting feedback at the time but now
that they're actually manufacturing the blades why do they hide them?

That was just an assumption on my part.

Now that I've checked ProSawBlades.com the primary distributer of Tenryu blades I'm not so sure.

Every single blade for the Festool 55 saw is "out of stock". See here.

Where is Iain from Tenryu?

This is a good time for a reminder that the genuine Festool blades are still on sale.

Brice Burrell · « **Reply #11 on:** June 11, 2010, 09:37 AM »

Quote from: Michael Kellough on June 11, 2010, 09:32 AM

That was just an assumption on my part.

Now that I've checked ProSawBlades.com the primary distributer of Tenryu blades I'm not so sure.

Every single blade for the Festool 55 saw is "out of stock". See here.

Where is Iain from Tenryu?

This is a good time for a reminder that the genuine Festool blades are still on sale.

I was disappointing to see the blades for the TS55 sold out the last time I visited ProSawBlades. I've been very pleased with my Tenryu blades. I'm going to have grab a few more where ever I can find them in case they are out of production for good.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #12 on:** June 11, 2010, 09:50 AM »

Here is some contact info I just grabbed. I haven't checked any of this out.
If anyone has time to do so please post the results here.

Contact TENRYU at (800) 951-7297 for details on blades for Festool saws.

Tenryu will be exhibiting at the International Manufacturing Technology Show:
September 13-18, 2010 McCormick Place Chicago, IL

Tenryu America, Inc.
3601 Hargrave Drive
Hebron KY 41048
859-282-8158
859-282-8160 (f)

In the show listing they included three distributors of Tenryu products.

Distributor for Tenryu America, Inc.
Industrial Tooling & Supply, Inc.
208 Commerce Parkway
Pelham AL 35124
(205) 987-5300
(205) 987-7095 (fax)

Distributor for Tenryu America, Inc.
Industrial Tool Company
4760 Faircrest Street SW
Canton OH 44706
(330) 484-7297
(330) 484-7292 (fax)

Distributor for Tenryu America, Inc.
TA Industrial Solution Inc.
7749 Ponderosa Road
Perrysburg OH 43551-4851
(800) 331-0904
(419) 661-1772 (fax)

WarnerConstCo. · « **Reply #13 on:** June 11, 2010, 10:16 AM »

I have a local dealer that carry's the Tenryu blades for the Festool saws.

I bought a couple for my 55 and one for my Kapex.

I still prefer my Matsushita that I had re-bored.

RonWen · « **Reply #14 on:** June 11, 2010, 11:22 AM »

Quote from: Brice Burrell on June 11, 2010, 09:37 AM

Quote from: Michael Kellough on June 11, 2010, 09:32 AM

That was just an assumption on my part.

Now that I've checked ProSawBlades.com the primary distributer of Tenryu blades I'm not so sure.

Every single blade for the Festool 55 saw is "out of stock". See here.

Where is Iain from Tenryu?

This is a good time for a reminder that the genuine Festool blades are still on sale.

I was disappointing to see the blades for the TS55 sold out the last time I visited ProSawBlades. I've been very pleased with my Tenryu blades. I'm going to have grab a few more where ever I can find them in case they are out of production for good.

I just tried the phone #'s listed on the ProSawBlades site -- they are no longer in service.

EDIT: The girl (Sandy) at the Tenryu phone# advised that the Prosawblades is no longer carrying their blades (or perhaps any others?) She directed me to "Keith" at Missouri Precision 1-314-487-2686. They have the ultra thin blades & riving knives for the TS-55 in stock.

Brice Burrell · « **Reply #15 on:** June 11, 2010, 12:14 PM »

Quote from: RonWen on June 11, 2010, 11:22 AM

I just tried the phone #'s listed on the ProSawBlades site -- they are no longer in service.

EDIT: The girl (Sandy) at the Tenryu phone# advised that the Prosawblades is no longer carrying their blades (or perhaps any others?) She directed me to "Keith" at Missouri Precision 1-314-487-2686. They have the ultra thin blades & riving knives for the TS-55 in stock.

Thanks for the info Ron.

Dan Clark · « **Reply #16 on:** June 11, 2010, 12:18 PM »

Ron,

My apologies for not being clear. In my post above, the first link to "Inland Tools" goes to a the ProSawBlades site. I agree. It looks like it's out of business. (Sign of the times.)

The second link goes to Amazon. However, it's a little interesting. This 28T blade on Amazon is sold by Missouri Precision: http://www.amazon.com/TENRYU-PSW-16028CBD2-Combination-blade-FESTOOL/dp/B001V9Q0D0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1276272499&sr=8-3 . You can go directly to their site: http://www.mo2ls.com/. Their website is confusing, but here is the Tenryu Festool page: http://mo2ls.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=TCTFS .

OTOH, This 12T ripping blade (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001V9QY9U/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&qid=1276272499&sr=8-1&condition=new) is sold by "Inland Industrial Supply", which sounds like "Inland Tools". But it looks like you can buy the blade from this company through Amazon.

It's a bit confusing out there.

Regards,

Dan.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #17 on:** June 11, 2010, 12:36 PM »

Quote from: Dan Clark on June 11, 2010, 12:18 PM

Ron,

My apologies for not being clear. In my post above, the first link to "Inland Tools" goes to a the ProSawBlades site. I agree. It looks like it's out of business. (Sign of the times.)

The second link goes to Amazon. However, it's a little interesting. This 28T blade on Amazon is sold by Missouri Precision: http://www.amazon.com/TENRYU-PSW-16028CBD2-Combination-blade-FESTOOL/dp/B001V9Q0D0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1276272499&sr=8-3 . You can go directly to their site: http://www.mo2ls.com/. Their website is confusing, but here is the Tenryu Festool page: http://mo2ls.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=TCTFS .

OTOH, This 12T ripping blade (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001V9QY9U/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&qid=1276272499&sr=8-1&condition=new) is sold by "Inland Industrial Supply", which sounds like "Inland Tools". But it looks like you can buy the blade from this company through Amazon.

It's a bit confusing out there.

Regards,

Dan.

Yep. Not a good way to sell product.

Deansocial · « **Reply #18 on:** June 11, 2010, 04:33 PM »

cmt make 1.3mm kerrf blades, I think brimarc have them

Sometimewoodworker · « **Reply #19 on:** June 12, 2010, 07:20 AM »

Quote from: ianwalls on June 10, 2010, 04:51 PM

Hi all.

Does anyone know of the thinnest possible blade available for the TS55? Any brand, although it would be handy if it were available in the UK. I have the universal blade that comes in at 2.2mm and am looking for something a little thinner...

Cheers!

the detailis in my FOG Galery at 1.6mm kerf from Tenru

eightball · « **Reply #20 on:** December 02, 2022, 11:34 AM »

Is the info above still current? Anyone have a part number on the CMT blade?

Thanks

Cheese · « **Reply #21 on:** December 02, 2022, 12:49 PM »

Quote from: eightball on December 02, 2022, 11:34 AM

Is the info above still current? Anyone have a part number on the CMT blade?

Thanks

CMT offers a rip blade 271.160.24H, a crosscut blade 272.160.40H, a fine cut off blade 273.160.56H and a composite decking blade 276.160.48H that all have a 1.2 mm plate with a 1.8 mm kerf.

Having said that, Festool now offers a nice selection of 1.8 mm thin kerf blades as does Mafell.

mino · « **Reply #22 on:** December 02, 2022, 07:36 PM »

Quote from: ianwalls on June 10, 2010, 04:51 PM

Hi all.

Does anyone know of the thinnest possible blade available for the TS55? Any brand, although it would be handy if it were available in the UK. I have the universal blade that comes in at 2.2mm and am looking for something a little thinner...

Cheers!

@ianwalls

To add to others, keep note that every TS 55 has a riving knife which limits the blade thickness before the saw starts getting "stuck" in the cut by the riving knife.

This means that the thinnest blade that consistently work well is, at most, 0.1mm thinner than the riving knife - which is:
- about 0.20-0.21 mm on TS 55, TS 55 R, so thinnest suitable blade is about 0.20mm
- about 0.16-0.17 mm on TS 55 F, so thinnest suitable blade is about 1.6mm, CMT does have commonly available 1.7/1.1mm blades which have the same 0.3 mm kerf/disc difference hence are fully interchangeable with the 1.8/1.2 Festool blades

Were you to use a saw without a riving knife - e.g. the TSC 55 K - I have a 1.5/1.0 blade *) from a local brand (Pilana), so it is certainly possible to make such. The CMT 1.3 one was also mentioned. I guess that would be 1.3/0.9. Though I would not want to use these blades for general purposes. Find the 1.5/1.0 one too flexible for anything but thin sheet goods.

Sometimewoodworker · « **Reply #23 on:** December 02, 2022, 10:38 PM »

Quote from: mino on December 02, 2022, 07:36 PM

Quote from: ianwalls on June 10, 2010, 04:51 PM
Hi all.

Does anyone know of the thinnest possible blade available for the TS55? Any brand, although it would be handy if it were available in the UK. I have the universal blade that comes in at 2.2mm and am looking for something a little thinner...

Cheers!
@ianwalls

To add to others, keep note that every TS 55 has a riving knife which limits the blade thickness before the saw starts getting "stuck" in the cut by the riving knife.

This means that the thinnest blade that consistently work well is, at most, 0.1mm thinner than the riving

Did you notice that there are thinner riving knives available/supplied with the thinner saw kerf blades!!!

See my posting from June 2010.

So what exactly is the point of your observation? Is it for those who can’t afford/be bothered to change the knife?

mino · « **Reply #24 on:** December 03, 2022, 12:19 AM »

Quote from: Sometimewoodworker on December 02, 2022, 10:38 PM

Did you notice that there are thinner riving knives available/supplied with the thinner saw kerf blades!!!

See my posting from June 2010.

So what exactly is the point of your observation? Is it for those who can’t afford/be bothered to change the knife?

Sorry, but no I am not (was not) aware, it was not posted in this thread, nor a reference to it, and, apologies, but I will not sift through all posts of everyone in this thread from the 2010-2022 period. That demand of you is a bit ... too much. [/s]
As for that picture of a blade, I was positive (now confirmed) that whatever the piece of metal on it, it was not related to the TS 55 R or F series. Hence with no explanation provided there was no reason to be bothered by it.
Looking at eKat now, it seems like something that could be compatible with the original TS 55 saws => interesting.

It is a shame, but that is the culture in a forum - if you can link that thread/post with more detail it would be immensely helpful as otherwise it is really unreasonable to expect everyone to dig through all posts from the past ... for me, back in 2010 all the saws I owned was one hand saw with metal-use blade ...
EDIT: Sorry, I have only just now noticed this is a master of "thread necro" ... holly ****.

On topic:
The picture on your post seems to be showing a TS 55 (non-R/F) compatible riving knife which has a way simpler design. Please notice I was /possibly incorrectly ?/ assuming the OP has a more current TS 55 R or TS 55 F - not the original TS 55. Either case, I took the care to note the TS 55 versions, so if the OP has indeed the original TS 55 he can be safe in ignoring the part of my post discussing individual saws.

Regardless, nowhere in the thread it was discussed the relationship between the blades and the riving knifes - hence this was IMO worth it to mention for anyone else reading this later, EVEN IF OP was fully aware of it.

I am attaching the ekat pictures to show the TS55 R and TS 55 F are (mutually) incompatible from as far as I can tell.

Hope helps someone, if not the OP:

Sometimewoodworker · « **Reply #25 on:** December 03, 2022, 07:25 AM »

Quote from: mino on December 03, 2022, 12:19 AM

Quote from: Sometimewoodworker on December 02, 2022, 10:38 PM
Did you notice that there are thinner riving knives available/supplied with the thinner saw kerf blades!!!

See my posting from June 2010.

So what exactly is the point of your observation? Is it for those who can’t afford/be bothered to change the knife?
Sorry, but no I am not (was not) aware, it was not posted in this thread, nor a reference to it, and, apologies, but I will not sift through all posts of everyone in this thread from the 2010-2022 period. That demand of you is a bit ... too much.

So you posted on at TS55 thread and couldn’t be bothered to scroll up 4 posts to see the information. I understand the youngsters need spoon feeding but that is stretching things way too far.

As to sifting through all posts of everyone in this thread from the 2010-2022. it is one page of 25 posts.

Quote from: mino on December 03, 2022, 12:19 AM

It is a shame, but that is the culture in a forum if you can link that thread/post with more detail it would be immensely helpful as otherwise it is really unreasonable to expect everyone to dig through all posts from the past

Oh the horror and difficulty of scrolling back 4 posts!!! I feel for your pain [/sarcasm]
The pain of DAGS and using your fingers [/sarcasm]

Quote from: mino on December 03, 2022, 12:19 AM

The picture on your post seems to be showing a TS 55 (non-R/F) compatible riving knife which has a way simpler design.

That is surprising, why? The thread is about the TS55 the R/F iterations were not even a gleam in the eye of the designers when it was started.

Quote from: mino on December 03, 2022, 12:19 AM

Regardless, nowhere in the thread it was discussed the relationship between the blades and the riving knifes

The relationship is self evident for anyone with eyes to see and even a couple of spare brain cells

Quote from: mino on December 03, 2022, 12:19 AM

Hope helps someone, if not the OP

Since the OP posted the original question in June of 2010 you can be sure that they are unlikely to benefit. Specially since they were Last Active: 08 July 2020- 06:09

SRSemenza · « **Reply #26 on:** December 03, 2022, 11:00 PM »

Chill out.

Seth