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Offline rmhinden

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Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« on: June 11, 2021, 11:31 AM »
I am thinking it's time to upgrade my old Makita 12 volt drills.   

I am leaning toward a T 18+3 because I currently have a CXS (that I am very happy with) and the installers kit.  That is, a big investment in Centrotec bits/drills/etc.  I don't have any other Festool 18volt cordless products.

The alternative is to get a newer Makita or Milwaukee drill.    Too many choices.   The decision is essentially to buy into a cordless system.   

I would appreciate any advice you can give me.

Bob



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Offline Packard

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2021, 12:08 PM »
I'm in the Milwaukee system.  So far I have 15 gage angle nailer; 18 gage nailer; air compressor (carried in the car).

All have been good.  So far the air compressor has only been used to top off the tire pressure.  No flats yet.  But the peace of mind is worth it.  And it is more convenient than going to the gas station.

Offline squall_line

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2021, 12:12 PM »
I ended up with a Makita Driver/Impact kit because of a really good bundle deal and the desire to convert some of my yard tools to battery (or even get some yard tools, for that matter).  I've since ended up with a bunch of cordless Festool drills and saws, and still no yard tools, but maybe once it drops below 95 I'll get back outside and need them.

Offline Mortiser

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2021, 12:55 PM »
Bob, I abandoned the Milwaukee line a few years ago after years of too many problems with their batteries. I had both 18V and 28V. (They may have a better battery now.) I do not have recent experience with Makita battery tools but I hear good reports.
I switched to Bosch due to only wanting one battery platform and Bosch had a wider range than Festool (and lower price). I have had very good results with my Bosch 18volt tools and have not had one battery problem yet. I do not have any of their 12V tools.
I do however have a CXS which I really like and would buy again. Because of it I have been tempted to also get a T18.

Good luck with your decision.
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Offline Alex

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2021, 01:57 PM »
I wouldn't want any other drill than a Festool as my main drill. Perhaps not the strongest ones on the building site, but for most tasks their comfort and controllability is unmatched.

Offline mrB

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2021, 03:42 PM »
Couldn’t imagine not having my T18. Festool drills are wonderful, never used anything that compared. I’ve owned all of them (festool drills) Left with T18 & C18. Best drills eva!!
Don’t use C18 without compact batteries. It’s too heavy/awkward

Buy but to try, and return if you don’t like. .
« Last Edit: June 11, 2021, 03:47 PM by mrB »
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline squall_line

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2021, 03:49 PM »
When I was testing drills, the Makita impact driver fit my hand more comfortably than the Festool TID.  I figured that if I was going to use it for an entire day building garden beds and a pergola, I would want something that fit me well.

The T18/T18E fit me reasonably well, and the CXS is like an extension of my hand.  I got an older C12 and can't really seem to hold it the same way I do with my CXS; not sure if it's the battery, the overall size/shape compared to my hand, or what, but I'm working on it.

The electronic clutch on the C12/T18/T18E always catches me off guard after using the CXS for a while.

Offline tallgrass

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2021, 03:58 PM »
This is a tough one. Because what you are really asking is about ecosystems. I have chosen 2 festool and Makita. That covers everything for me. What i would recommend avoiding is having a disjointed collection of batteries and charging systems, then having to make sure you have the correct stuff with you. Choose 2 that you like and stick to them. Otherwise you will end up with an island of misfit toys. :)

Offline jarbroen

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2021, 04:01 PM »
I'd highly recommend the T18.  Or wait for the new PDC that's coming out if you need something more heavy drilling suited.

I switched over to the Festool 18v tools from Makita 18v lithium equipment.  I had lots of problems with the batteries and the drill I had wasn't anything special.  I also got rid of my Makita outdoor equipment and switched over to the Stihl battery platform.  A world of difference for outdoor tools.

The T18 has been great!  I use it even more frequently than the CXS.  The changeable chucks/accessories are awesome.  I use the eccentric chuck fairly often in tight spots.  Plenty of power drilling holes and still very precise when you need it.
I have the 4.0 batteries from the Festool impact set.  The smaller batteries definitely help the balance on the T18.

If you pickup a Festool drill you'll have a good excuse to look at other cordless Festool.  The Vecturo 18v has been a super handy addition to my collection.  And the impact driver is just as nice as the T18.
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Offline Jeff Zanin

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2021, 05:19 PM »
I migrated from DeWalt 14.4V (NiMH) to M18 (Li), it was a huge improvement.  I also have the CXS which is probably my favorite especially for tight areas. 

Eventually I got the T18+3 and TID 18, these are nicer than the M18 in terms of control so they are mainly used for cabinet type projects in the shop. 

The M18 and even M12 are fine for everything else, and there are lots of M18 tools and outdoor power equipment available so it is a more versatile system.

Offline Coen

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2021, 06:09 PM »
The drill is only to suck you into a system.

The problem is that each battery platform has some unique tools... like the nice belt-fed festool screw gun. But then Festool doesn't have a caulk gun. Or laser, or...

I ended up getting a Bosch 18V, very happy with it. Had I had unlimited cash I would probably have gotten the Festool T18. The control on the Festool drills is awesome.

Offline waho6o9

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2021, 06:25 PM »
Festool's a better investment as you know it will work for a long long time.

Offline ScotF

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2021, 07:29 PM »
I love Festool drills. C18 and T18 are awesome (I have 3 of them) [eek] as well as the TXS and PDC. I also like the impact driver. Nothing else compares for control and ergonomics in my opinion. I love the Centrotec ecosystem too.

Offline morts10n

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2021, 07:35 PM »
I have 3 T15, A TI15 and 2 TXS...I use them all day long and have plenty of batteries, but the first ones I  bought are still not dead

Offline jcrowe1950

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2021, 09:13 PM »
I'd highly recommend the T18.  Or wait for the new PDC that's coming out if you need something more heavy drilling suited.

I switched over to the Festool 18v tools from Makita 18v lithium equipment.  I had lots of problems with the batteries and the drill I had wasn't anything special.  I also got rid of my Makita outdoor equipment and switched over to the Stihl battery platform.  A world of difference for outdoor tools.

The T18 has been great!  I use it even more frequently than the CXS.  The changeable chucks/accessories are awesome.  I use the eccentric chuck fairly often in tight spots.  Plenty of power drilling holes and still very precise when you need it.
I have the 4.0 batteries from the Festool impact set.  The smaller batteries definitely help the balance on the T18.

If you pickup a Festool drill you'll have a good excuse to look at other cordless Festool.  The Vecturo 18v has been a super handy addition to my collection.  And the impact driver is just as nice as the T18.
Don't forget, the refreshed TSC55 is coming out soon.

   I have the CXS (first Festool drill) and the T18-3 and TID combo.....I really, really like the TID. The T18 is very nice too...enough controllable torque to do anything I need to do. I think the "new" PDC is the same old PDC in a Systainer 3 with newer battery platform. The new, but rarely seen replacement will be the TPC which looks really interesting. WRT the difference between the Festool drill platforms and the competition, IMO, it amounts to fit and finish and refined functionality. When I am doing a demo on Festool tools, I never denigrate peoples' choices. I simply put the tool in their hands and invite them to get a feel for the tool.....for demos, I do the same.

    I look forward to June 15th to see how the new TS 55 K expectations are met. Unfortunately, I still like my TS 55 and TS 75 so no personal purchase but the new cordless has very good potential. In the FWIW department, the new blades for the TS 55 K are actually made in France, have a 1.8mm kerf and the fine tooth general purpose blade drops to 42 teeth from 48 teeth and 2.2mm kerf on the older one. The anti-kickback mechanism is slick too.
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Offline Cypren

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2021, 05:26 AM »
I own the full range of Festool drills as well as most of Milwaukee's and a couple of Hiltis as well. In general, I would say if you're looking for value-for-money, the Milwaukee drills are hard to beat: they have excellent torque and speed for their size, weight and cost.

If money is less of a concern and you just want the best, the Festool drills are a joy to use due to their extremely sensitive trigger control, precise clutches and thoughtful little additions like the built-in magnetic bit and screw storage and the quick-change chuck system. Also, the PDC in particular is the highest speed cordless drill on the market, with a blistering 3800 RPM in fourth gear that will make quick work of soft materials and absolutely demolishes concrete when using the percussion-drill functionality.

Where the Festool drills all suffer (besides price) is in torque. The PDC is the highest-torque drill Festool currently has available in North America, and it comes in at just over half of the peak torque of the current Milwaukee M18 Fuel model and about 60% less than Hilti's flagship SF10W-A22. The TPC model that was just released in Europe claims to boost a 40% torque improvement over the PDC, which will close some of the gap, but the fact remains that it will still lag other high-performance drills by quite a lot in this area.

If you regularly find yourself using large auger, spade or Forstner bits, it might be a good idea to pass on the Festool line and look at alternatives. Hilti's drills, in particular, offer similar fine trigger control and excellent craftsmanship while also packing a lot more power. But they're even more expensive than Festool, while being larger, heavier and very conventional in design, lacking those extra functional touches I mentioned earlier.

There's no one perfect drill out there that I've ever found, just a lot of good models that make different compromises and trade-offs. But if you cut me down to just one, I'd probably go with the PDC, because it's got extreme versatility while having performance that's good enough for most work even if not the best.

Offline mino

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2021, 08:27 AM »
+1 for T18

+2 for trying out the TPC first and going T18 only if not meeting your expectations

I see the T18/CSX to have quite an overlap while the TPC/TDC series are true "drills" with the top speed at 3600 being a game changer in many ways.

It may seem counter-intuitive, but I see the T18/C18 gap to TPC/TDC as way bigger than the CXS/C/T18 one.

Even better, in US would get the T18 easy with bats /sweet deal/ and the TPC 18 basic to go along. Better than either at cost of one.
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Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2021, 09:43 AM »
While I don't own the 18v version, I have an old 12v T series, two CSXs and the 15v Festool...all leveraging Centrotec, both Festool and third party as much as possible. I like the system. A lot. I wouldn't hesitate getting teh 18v if I needed one. (My only other drill/driver is an old DeWalt 14.4v that I use for grunge work and an inexpensive Harbor Frieght Baur impact driver as I don't need that function very often) The CSXs are my normal go-to for everything I can use them for because of the light weight and balance, but all of my Festool drill/drivers see work and I like them.
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Offline rmhinden

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2021, 01:11 PM »
Wow, I wasn't expecting so much good advice.  Many thanks.

I think I will go ahead with getting the T 18+3, or perhaps the set Festool sells with the TID 18 impact driver.   

The PDC looks interesting, but I don't think I have any plans that requires a hammer drill and it's a little heaver.   I forgot to mention that I have a Dewalt corded drill that I got to drill 1 1/4" holes in hard maple before I was ready to invest in a new cordless system.  Was only $60 and did the job.

Thanks again

Bob



Offline SoonerFan

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2021, 01:26 PM »
Wow, I wasn't expecting so much good advice.  Many thanks.

I think I will go ahead with getting the T 18+3, or perhaps the set Festool sells with the TID 18 impact driver.   

The PDC looks interesting, but I don't think I have any plans that requires a hammer drill and it's a little heaver.   I forgot to mention that I have a Dewalt corded drill that I got to drill 1 1/4" holes in hard maple before I was ready to invest in a new cordless system.  Was only $60 and did the job.

Thanks again

Bob

You will be happy with your choice.  I have the T18-3, a CXS and a Dewalt impact.  And I invested in the Centrotec Installers Kit.  I very seldom use the Dewalt.  Using the T18 and the CXS today installing cabinets in my shop.  Both are a joy to use.  While I don’t use the impact much, had the kit with the Festool Impact been available when I purchased mine I would have gotten that. 

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2021, 04:24 PM »
I have been in the Makita LXT system since it came out in '05. At that time, they had very few tools, especially as compared to today. I had the kit which included a 1/2" hammer drill, impact driver, circular saw and of course the light. It came with a voucher to get a recip saw for free. They were not available was not available at the time of introduction of the kit. It took a few years before the jigsaw became available. I got one and it was the biggest disappointment of the entire lot. It worked "ok", but was way to heavy/bulky. I added a couple of extra batteries along the way, but the originals lasted well over 12 years before starting to lose their charge too quickly.

When they were destroyed in a fire a couple of years ago, these were some of the first things I replaced. I had a CXS back before the fire too. It has replaced about a week later as part of a huge Festool purchase. The CXS is so good that I was/am still willing to deal with 2 battery platforms.
The other good thing about the Makita system is the compact router. They fit into all of the bases/accessories of the corded one as a bonus. I just hope they have improved the jigsaw since the original model in '08.

As it is, I haven't gotten into the Festool 18v batteries.
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Offline ScotF

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Re: Thinking about getting a T 18+3 cordless drill
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2021, 01:25 AM »
Wow, I wasn't expecting so much good advice.  Many thanks.

I think I will go ahead with getting the T 18+3, or perhaps the set Festool sells with the TID 18 impact driver.   

The PDC looks interesting, but I don't think I have any plans that requires a hammer drill and it's a little heaver.   I forgot to mention that I have a Dewalt corded drill that I got to drill 1 1/4" holes in hard maple before I was ready to invest in a new cordless system.  Was only $60 and did the job.

Thanks again

Bob


I think you will enjoy the drill. The combo is a nice kit too.