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Offline Cheese

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Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« on: December 03, 2020, 10:38 PM »
Just picked mine up from Woodcraft today, pre-ordered it back in July/August and was given an October delivery date. Well several months later it arrived and I'm truly blown away. Pretty sweet...however I'll not divulge the amount of sweetness yet.

This thing really rocks, I tried it with a couple of sanders and it works well with both. It's meant to pair with the small ETS 125 sanders, both the corded and the cordless.

Here it's connected up to a ETSC 125.





And here is where the sweetness is doubled...it's connected to a DTSC 400.



« Last Edit: December 03, 2020, 10:41 PM by Cheese »

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Offline ScotF

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2020, 11:23 PM »
Awesome!! Now it is high on my list.

Offline Josh2

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2020, 10:36 AM »
This is getting interesting. Can you report back how well it works with the DTSC 400? I recall someone saying that it reduces the effectiveness but no clue.

Anyone knows whether it also fits the DTS 400?

Thanks!

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2020, 10:51 AM »
I am going to absolutely love this positioning aid. I have about 50-60 drawer fronts and face frames that need to be edge sanded. I hooked it up to the ETSC 125 and also the DTSC 400 last night and sanded a couple of drawer front edges. Using the same grit (240) the DTSC took only half of the time, that the ETSC needed, to remove the small saw blade marks and that all makes sense.  [smile]

Both of these sanders fit very snugly into the unit but it's this tab on each side that indexes and locks the sander in to the aid. The tabs prevent any movement of the sander what so ever.




When the tabs on the aid are fully engaged with the sander this is what the ETSC looks like.




This is what the DTSC looks like.




The Pro 5




The ETS 125 EQ does not fit because there is no receptacle for the tab.




The same thing goes for the DTS 400 EQ.




It's interesting to note that the Pro 5 was designed over 4 years ago and at the time they incorporated 2 recesses in the body to locate & hold the edge protector, these recesses are what the tabs on the positioning aid recess into. 
« Last Edit: December 04, 2020, 01:54 PM by Cheese »

Offline Stan Tillinghast

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2020, 11:26 AM »
Mine is on order; my ETS 125 will be married to it; I’m thinking of having a private ceremony.
Für uns...ist das Beste gerade gut genug!

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2020, 11:30 AM »
Mine is on order; my ETS 125 will be married to it; I’m thinking of having a private ceremony.


Where's the honeymoon going to be?   [big grin]
- Willy -

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  The capacity for occasional blundering is inseparable from the capacity to bring things to pass."

 - Herman Lincoln Wayland (1830-1898)

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2020, 11:54 AM »
Mine is on order; my ETS 125 will be married to it; I’m thinking of having a private ceremony.


Where's the honeymoon going to be?   [big grin]

Staycation, Willy. Global pandemic.    [big grin]


Ron

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2020, 12:07 PM »
@Cheese does it look like the RTS will fit a well. Which sander do you think you use more with it?

Thanks Ron

Offline mrB

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2020, 12:28 PM »
@Cheese

Thanks for the info and opinions, but you've totally confused me. . .

You say that the ETS EC and DTS EC don't fit as there are no tabs:
- in your picture you don't show an ETS EC it looks like an olde ETS125.
- And the There is no such sander as a DTS EC . . .

The current DTS 400 and RTS 400 looked like they would fit as they have the same body as the updated ETS 125.. .

there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2020, 12:47 PM »
Sorry about that @mrB[embarassed]  I meant EQ not EC. So the 2 sanders that wouldn't fit are an older ETS 125 EQ and a DTS 400 EQ.


Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2020, 12:51 PM »
Sorry about that @mrB[embarassed]  I meant EQ not EC. So the 2 sanders that wouldn't fit are an older ETS 125 EQ and a DTS 400 EQ.

Thanks for that caveat, @Cheese.  Looks like I don't need to saddle up and head to Woodworkers Club after all.   [sad]
- Willy -

  "Show us a man who never makes a mistake and we will show a man who never makes anything. 
  The capacity for occasional blundering is inseparable from the capacity to bring things to pass."

 - Herman Lincoln Wayland (1830-1898)

Offline ChuckS

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2020, 01:17 PM »
I do have 2 PRO5 LTDs, one for coarse sanding and the other fine/finish sanding. I don't plan to install the sanding guide (still waiting for the pick-up notice from the vendor) in one of them on a permanent basis, because together they don't fit into the systainer. Another bonus is that there won't be any costly divorce settlement involved if things don't work out as intended one day [tongue].

Edit: Just received the pick-up notification a few hours ago.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2020, 06:42 PM by ChuckM »

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2020, 01:39 PM »
I will never forgive them for now making this one work or a version for the ETS EC 150.
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success!

Offline RustE

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2020, 02:09 PM »
...
I have about 50-60 drawer fronts and face frames that need to be edge sanded.
...

And here I guessed break-in would be a healthy diet of charcuterie boards for Christmas gifts.

Online Alanbach

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2020, 02:48 PM »
@ben_r_  I forgave them by buying at ETS 125. Now the stable stands at eight horses. It really is a sickness😊.

Offline Alex

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2020, 04:09 PM »
So the 2 sanders that wouldn't fit are an older ETS 125 EQ and a DTS 400 EQ.

Seems like an easy thing to do to fit those two older sanders with little slots to accommodate the tabs of the edge guide.

Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2020, 04:42 PM »
This is getting interesting. Can you report back how well it works with the DTSC 400? I recall someone saying that it reduces the effectiveness but no clue.

Anyone knows whether it also fits the DTS 400?

Thanks!

I recently watched a youtube video from festool Netherlands, in which the local Sedge explained that the DTS isn't ideal because the pad doesn't rotate, and all the wear and heat buildup is concentrated on a small area of the sanding pad.

Offline mrB

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2020, 04:45 PM »
Well this is all great news. Thanks @Cheese
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Online Alanbach

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2020, 06:03 PM »
Thanks @Cheese - per your guidance I tried it on my newer DTS 400 REQ and it fits fine. I tried it on my older RTS 400 EQ and no go, as you stated no slots for the tabs to fit into. It also fits perfectly on the new ETS 125 R which will probably be where it is used the most. We’ll see!

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2020, 11:22 PM »
@Cheese does it look like the RTS will fit a well. Which sander do you think you use more with it?

Hi Ron...been spending most of the evening cooking some turkey soup...darn that stuff is good.

I attached a LS 130 sanding disc to the DTSC sander and I’d make a bet it will work fine. I’ll post some photos tomorrow.

I also noted some feedback from Festool that stated using the DTS in the sanding frame could possibly wear out the pad prematurely. heck, that’s an opportunity to use up all those DTS pads that I have that have the nose of the pad worn off. Seems like a win win situation for me.

I sanded some drawer fronts again today using the DTS in the sanding frame, it is becoming my favorite option.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2020, 06:26 AM »
"...Another bonus is that there won't be any costly divorce settlement involved if things don't work out..."

@ChuckM - so you are anticipating a series of one night stands, sort of a 'sanders with benefits' arrangement?   :-X
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2020, 10:31 AM »
@Cheese does it look like the RTS will fit a well. Which sander do you think you use more with it?



Here Ya go Ron @rvieceli , here's a shot of the DTSC to give you an idea of where the pad resides relative to the Housing Shell (2-2). The Housing Shell is in the lowered position.




Here a piece of LS 130 paper has been placed on the DTSC in the approximate position as a RTS sander. The Housing Shell is in the raised position for sandpaper replacement.




The Housing Shell is now in the lowered position for use.




I think the RTS will fit on this positioner fine.  As far as increased wear goes for both the pad and the paper when used with the DTS or RTS sanders, I'll just monitor mine and note the results. As I previously said, I have several extra pads for the DTSC that have the point worn down and this will be a great way to get a bit extra service life out of them.

Besides, I'm using 180-320 grit for sanding the edges so there isn't a lot of resistance. Also, when using this positioning aid there isn't a lot of sideways pressure exerted on the sander. You're simply kissing the edges to remove very small blade marks, somewhere in the .002"-.003" range. It really works well and it is fast, just a light pass up one edge and your done.


Offline ChuckS

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2020, 11:49 AM »
When I ordered this aid, I knew I'm going to use it mostly for edge sanding the endgrain (table end, or any exposed endgrain of a build) to a higher grit so I can get a uniform look after the piece is oiled or stained. 

To remove machine marks, I use a handplane (previously on the jointer which I don't have anymore). And I do that in the stock preparation stage, so the dimensions of the final work (doors or drawers) are not changed by the sanding.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2020, 11:58 AM by ChuckM »

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2020, 11:51 AM »
Thanks. There’s a groove around the front and side edge on the newer sanders. Does something engage this groove on the attachment?

Ron

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2020, 04:40 PM »
Thanks. There’s a groove around the front and side edge on the newer sanders. Does something engage this groove on the attachment?

Yes, towards the rear there are 2 prominent tabs that engage a recess in each side of the body and the tabs are part of a rib that circles the body and end in the front. Some photos to help.


The 2 tabs and their attached ribs.




The deep recess for the tabs and the shallower recess for the ribs.




The tabs and ribs as they circle the body and end in the front.




The grooves in the front of the sander to retain the Positioning Aid ribs.


Offline mrB

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2020, 05:18 PM »
@Cheese

What kind of material is the white glide surface? The surface that runs on the top surface.

Cheers
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2020, 07:08 PM »
@Cheese

What kind of material is the white glide surface? The surface that runs on the top surface.

Cheers

Festool calls it velour but it has a rather weird texture to it. The good thing is that it’s hook & loop so easily replaceable. They recommend using a different liner for painted vs oiled surfaces. That makes sense.

Offline pfkiel

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2020, 07:45 PM »
Hi Cheese
So you have used this with the Pro 5 LTD and it does lock in place perfectly?  I posted this question earlier under Edge Sanding Guide but I just noticed your post here under its product number. Looks like you are fairly happy with it so far. Well worth the expense then?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2020, 09:15 AM »
Hi Cheese
So you have used this with the Pro 5 LTD and it does lock in place perfectly?  I posted this question earlier under Edge Sanding Guide but I just noticed your post here under its product number. Looks like you are fairly happy with it so far. Well worth the expense then?

Yup, the Pro 5 locks in just like the newer ETSC & DTSC models. It has the requisite grooves & recesses that are used for installing the edge protector.


Offline Don T

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2020, 09:51 AM »
I am supposed to get mine Tuesday. It will live on my Pro 5 sander. This will be an opportunity to use the Pro 5. I will need to buy sandpaper for it now.
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