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Offline Cheese

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Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« on: December 03, 2020, 10:38 PM »
Just picked mine up from Woodcraft today, pre-ordered it back in July/August and was given an October delivery date. Well several months later it arrived and I'm truly blown away. Pretty sweet...however I'll not divulge the amount of sweetness yet.

This thing really rocks, I tried it with a couple of sanders and it works well with both. It's meant to pair with the small ETS 125 sanders, both the corded and the cordless.

Here it's connected up to a ETSC 125.





And here is where the sweetness is doubled...it's connected to a DTSC 400.



« Last Edit: December 03, 2020, 10:41 PM by Cheese »

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Offline ScotF

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2020, 11:23 PM »
Awesome!! Now it is high on my list.

Offline Josh2

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2020, 10:36 AM »
This is getting interesting. Can you report back how well it works with the DTSC 400? I recall someone saying that it reduces the effectiveness but no clue.

Anyone knows whether it also fits the DTS 400?

Thanks!

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2020, 10:51 AM »
I am going to absolutely love this positioning aid. I have about 50-60 drawer fronts and face frames that need to be edge sanded. I hooked it up to the ETSC 125 and also the DTSC 400 last night and sanded a couple of drawer front edges. Using the same grit (240) the DTSC took only half of the time, that the ETSC needed, to remove the small saw blade marks and that all makes sense.  [smile]

Both of these sanders fit very snugly into the unit but it's this tab on each side that indexes and locks the sander in to the aid. The tabs prevent any movement of the sander what so ever.




When the tabs on the aid are fully engaged with the sander this is what the ETSC looks like.




This is what the DTSC looks like.




The Pro 5




The ETS 125 EQ does not fit because there is no receptacle for the tab.




The same thing goes for the DTS 400 EQ.




It's interesting to note that the Pro 5 was designed over 4 years ago and at the time they incorporated 2 recesses in the body to locate & hold the edge protector, these recesses are what the tabs on the positioning aid recess into. 
« Last Edit: December 04, 2020, 01:54 PM by Cheese »

Offline Stan Tillinghast

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2020, 11:26 AM »
Mine is on order; my ETS 125 will be married to it; I’m thinking of having a private ceremony.

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2020, 11:30 AM »
Mine is on order; my ETS 125 will be married to it; I’m thinking of having a private ceremony.


Where's the honeymoon going to be?   [big grin]
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2020, 11:54 AM »
Mine is on order; my ETS 125 will be married to it; I’m thinking of having a private ceremony.


Where's the honeymoon going to be?   [big grin]

Staycation, Willy. Global pandemic.    [big grin]


Ron

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2020, 12:07 PM »
@Cheese does it look like the RTS will fit a well. Which sander do you think you use more with it?

Thanks Ron

Offline mrB

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2020, 12:28 PM »
@Cheese

Thanks for the info and opinions, but you've totally confused me. . .

You say that the ETS EC and DTS EC don't fit as there are no tabs:
- in your picture you don't show an ETS EC it looks like an olde ETS125.
- And the There is no such sander as a DTS EC . . .

The current DTS 400 and RTS 400 looked like they would fit as they have the same body as the updated ETS 125.. .

there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2020, 12:47 PM »
Sorry about that @mrB[embarassed]  I meant EQ not EC. So the 2 sanders that wouldn't fit are an older ETS 125 EQ and a DTS 400 EQ.


Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2020, 12:51 PM »
Sorry about that @mrB[embarassed]  I meant EQ not EC. So the 2 sanders that wouldn't fit are an older ETS 125 EQ and a DTS 400 EQ.

Thanks for that caveat, @Cheese.  Looks like I don't need to saddle up and head to Woodworkers Club after all.   [sad]
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2020, 01:17 PM »
I do have 2 PRO5 LTDs, one for coarse sanding and the other fine/finish sanding. I don't plan to install the sanding guide (still waiting for the pick-up notice from the vendor) in one of them on a permanent basis, because together they don't fit into the systainer. Another bonus is that there won't be any costly divorce settlement involved if things don't work out as intended one day [tongue].

Edit: Just received the pick-up notification a few hours ago.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2020, 06:42 PM by ChuckM »

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2020, 01:39 PM »
I will never forgive them for now making this one work or a version for the ETS EC 150.
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Offline RustE

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2020, 02:09 PM »
...
I have about 50-60 drawer fronts and face frames that need to be edge sanded.
...

And here I guessed break-in would be a healthy diet of charcuterie boards for Christmas gifts.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2020, 02:48 PM »
@ben_r_  I forgave them by buying at ETS 125. Now the stable stands at eight horses. It really is a sickness😊.

Offline Alex

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2020, 04:09 PM »
So the 2 sanders that wouldn't fit are an older ETS 125 EQ and a DTS 400 EQ.

Seems like an easy thing to do to fit those two older sanders with little slots to accommodate the tabs of the edge guide.

Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2020, 04:42 PM »
This is getting interesting. Can you report back how well it works with the DTSC 400? I recall someone saying that it reduces the effectiveness but no clue.

Anyone knows whether it also fits the DTS 400?

Thanks!

I recently watched a youtube video from festool Netherlands, in which the local Sedge explained that the DTS isn't ideal because the pad doesn't rotate, and all the wear and heat buildup is concentrated on a small area of the sanding pad.

Offline mrB

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2020, 04:45 PM »
Well this is all great news. Thanks @Cheese
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Offline Alanbach

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2020, 06:03 PM »
Thanks @Cheese - per your guidance I tried it on my newer DTS 400 REQ and it fits fine. I tried it on my older RTS 400 EQ and no go, as you stated no slots for the tabs to fit into. It also fits perfectly on the new ETS 125 R which will probably be where it is used the most. We’ll see!

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2020, 11:22 PM »
@Cheese does it look like the RTS will fit a well. Which sander do you think you use more with it?

Hi Ron...been spending most of the evening cooking some turkey soup...darn that stuff is good.

I attached a LS 130 sanding disc to the DTSC sander and I’d make a bet it will work fine. I’ll post some photos tomorrow.

I also noted some feedback from Festool that stated using the DTS in the sanding frame could possibly wear out the pad prematurely. heck, that’s an opportunity to use up all those DTS pads that I have that have the nose of the pad worn off. Seems like a win win situation for me.

I sanded some drawer fronts again today using the DTS in the sanding frame, it is becoming my favorite option.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2020, 06:26 AM »
"...Another bonus is that there won't be any costly divorce settlement involved if things don't work out..."

@ChuckM - so you are anticipating a series of one night stands, sort of a 'sanders with benefits' arrangement?   :-X
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2020, 10:31 AM »
@Cheese does it look like the RTS will fit a well. Which sander do you think you use more with it?



Here Ya go Ron @rvieceli , here's a shot of the DTSC to give you an idea of where the pad resides relative to the Housing Shell (2-2). The Housing Shell is in the lowered position.




Here a piece of LS 130 paper has been placed on the DTSC in the approximate position as a RTS sander. The Housing Shell is in the raised position for sandpaper replacement.




The Housing Shell is now in the lowered position for use.




I think the RTS will fit on this positioner fine.  As far as increased wear goes for both the pad and the paper when used with the DTS or RTS sanders, I'll just monitor mine and note the results. As I previously said, I have several extra pads for the DTSC that have the point worn down and this will be a great way to get a bit extra service life out of them.

Besides, I'm using 180-320 grit for sanding the edges so there isn't a lot of resistance. Also, when using this positioning aid there isn't a lot of sideways pressure exerted on the sander. You're simply kissing the edges to remove very small blade marks, somewhere in the .002"-.003" range. It really works well and it is fast, just a light pass up one edge and your done.


Offline ChuckM

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2020, 11:49 AM »
When I ordered this aid, I knew I'm going to use it mostly for edge sanding the endgrain (table end, or any exposed endgrain of a build) to a higher grit so I can get a uniform look after the piece is oiled or stained. 

To remove machine marks, I use a handplane (previously on the jointer which I don't have anymore). And I do that in the stock preparation stage, so the dimensions of the final work (doors or drawers) are not changed by the sanding.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2020, 11:58 AM by ChuckM »

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2020, 11:51 AM »
Thanks. There’s a groove around the front and side edge on the newer sanders. Does something engage this groove on the attachment?

Ron

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2020, 04:40 PM »
Thanks. There’s a groove around the front and side edge on the newer sanders. Does something engage this groove on the attachment?

Yes, towards the rear there are 2 prominent tabs that engage a recess in each side of the body and the tabs are part of a rib that circles the body and end in the front. Some photos to help.


The 2 tabs and their attached ribs.




The deep recess for the tabs and the shallower recess for the ribs.




The tabs and ribs as they circle the body and end in the front.




The grooves in the front of the sander to retain the Positioning Aid ribs.


Offline mrB

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2020, 05:18 PM »
@Cheese

What kind of material is the white glide surface? The surface that runs on the top surface.

Cheers
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2020, 07:08 PM »
@Cheese

What kind of material is the white glide surface? The surface that runs on the top surface.

Cheers

Festool calls it velour but it has a rather weird texture to it. The good thing is that it’s hook & loop so easily replaceable. They recommend using a different liner for painted vs oiled surfaces. That makes sense.

Offline pfkiel

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2020, 07:45 PM »
Hi Cheese
So you have used this with the Pro 5 LTD and it does lock in place perfectly?  I posted this question earlier under Edge Sanding Guide but I just noticed your post here under its product number. Looks like you are fairly happy with it so far. Well worth the expense then?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2020, 09:15 AM »
Hi Cheese
So you have used this with the Pro 5 LTD and it does lock in place perfectly?  I posted this question earlier under Edge Sanding Guide but I just noticed your post here under its product number. Looks like you are fairly happy with it so far. Well worth the expense then?

Yup, the Pro 5 locks in just like the newer ETSC & DTSC models. It has the requisite grooves & recesses that are used for installing the edge protector.


Offline Don T

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2020, 09:51 AM »
I am supposed to get mine Tuesday. It will live on my Pro 5 sander. This will be an opportunity to use the Pro 5. I will need to buy sandpaper for it now.
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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2020, 04:50 PM »
Thanks Cheese thats good news.  Nice to have a definitive answer.
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Offline 08G8V8

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2020, 04:55 PM »
Ordered one today from Woodcraft for my RTS 400 REQ.   thanks


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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2020, 05:28 PM »
Man this makes me wish I would have kept my Pro5 all this time. Who'd have thought.
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Offline promark747

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2020, 07:58 PM »
Man this makes me wish I would have kept my Pro5 all this time. Who'd have thought.

Ditto

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2020, 09:31 PM »
Man this makes me wish I would have kept my Pro5 all this time. Who'd have thought.
I was ready to dump my Pro5 and upgrade it to an ETS EC 125, right when Festool announced the "edge guide", so plans changed, and the Pro5 will be dedicated to edge sanding.

Has anyone come up with a way to store them assembled together in a Systainer? Sys3 size needed?

Roughly how long does it take to put on, and take off? Wish it was some type of quick latch, or thumb type screw. 

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2020, 10:35 AM »
FWIW...I've mounted the ETSC 125 in the Positioning Aid and have been sanding Ambrosia maple drawer front edges. I wanted to remove these blade marks made with a MT 55 and a new blade.  They look worse than they really are, some can be caught with your finger nail while others cannot be caught at all. I'd say they're in the .001"-.003" range.




It was relatively slow going using 240 grit Granat, so I decided to swap out the ETSC for the DTSC...still using 240 Granat the job went 50%-70% faster, Then I noticed this.




I never noticed this amount of sawdust when using the ETSC, then again with the ETSC I had to make several passes, wipe the edge, check for marks and then make several passes a 2nd time and sometimes a 3rd time.
Using the DTSC I just ran it down the edge forwards, then backwards and 95% of the blade marks were removed.

I also noticed this when I turned the DTSC over, sawdust being evacuated through only 2 holes...that makes sense. I'm sure paper usage is not optimal and wonder if the RTSC would be better because the paper can be rotated 180º.



All of these drawer fronts were cut to length using a Kapex with a sharp clean blade. The ends were really nice & smooth. I decided to sand the ends anyways and they became like velvet, just incredibly smooth. That's good news for you @ChuckM for your end grain usage.

Finally, I took a piece of Birdseye maple, adjusted the positioner to 45º and took a quick light pass on the edge with 240 Granat. The outcome was a really nice clean, smooth edge break about .035" wide.


Offline ChuckM

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2020, 11:29 AM »
Snip.
All of these drawer fronts were cut to length using a Kapex with a sharp clean blade. The ends were really nice & smooth. I decided to sand the ends anyways and they became like velvet, just incredibly smooth. That's good news for you @ChuckM for your end grain usage.


Thanks, Cheese, for sharing that observation. [thumbs up] I plan to pick up my sanding aid along with a few other online orders by the weekend.

I wonder if the dust collection will perform better with the use of mesh-type sandpaper.

Offline xedos

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2020, 11:45 AM »
Cheese - wonder if mesh abrasive would be a better choice on the DTS ?

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2020, 10:01 AM »
Cheese - wonder if mesh abrasive would be a better choice on the DTS ?

Xedos both you and ChuckM came up with the same idea  [scratch chin]...and I think it's a great one. I'm going to get some net material and try it out.  [big grin]

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2020, 10:25 AM »
“ It was relatively slow going using 240 grit Granat, so I decided to swap out the ETSC for the DTSC...still using 240 Granat the job went 50%-70% faster, Then I noticed this.”

Seriously? The tiny orbit sander was faster that the random orbit sander?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2020, 10:50 AM »
“ It was relatively slow going using 240 grit Granat, so I decided to swap out the ETSC for the DTSC...still using 240 Granat the job went 50%-70% faster, Then I noticed this.”

Seriously? The tiny orbit sander was faster that the random orbit sander?

Unfortunately that was the case Michael.  [sad]

My original thought was to clamp the Pro 5 in the unit and use it exclusively for edge sanding...the reason being if you remove the bottom insert from the Systainer, everything fits inside as a nice package. There's also room for sandpaper and some extra bases with extra covers.

« Last Edit: December 08, 2020, 11:11 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2020, 11:16 AM »
“ It was relatively slow going using 240 grit Granat, so I decided to swap out the ETSC for the DTSC...still using 240 Granat the job went 50%-70% faster, Then I noticed this.”

Seriously? The tiny orbit sander was faster that the random orbit sander?

Yes this seems to go against any of my logic as well. I agree if the DTS/RTS works better the RTS is probably the better choice paper wise you can probably get 3-4 uses from one sheet if you really wanted. Plus more surface contact with the edge.  What  hardness pads are you using?

Cheese was the small 45° break put on with the DTS too? looks good.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2020, 11:39 AM »
What  hardness pads are you using?

Cheese was the small 45° break put on with the DTS too? looks good.

Unfortunately the ETS/DTS/RTS series only have soft pads available.  [sad]

Yes, the 45º break was using the DTS with 240 Granat. You have to be real careful and use a light touch or you'll remove more material than you want. Although you could go up to a 320 or 400 grit. I think for this application using the ETS would be a better option.

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2020, 04:57 PM »
My original thought was to clamp the Pro 5 in the unit and use it exclusively for edge sanding...the reason being if you remove the bottom insert from the Systainer, everything fits inside as a nice package. There's also room for sandpaper and some extra bases with extra covers.
Well if it still fits in a Sys2 that is perfect. I can make a plastic insert to secure the edge guide and sander as a unit, fit out a section to hold sandpaper that will be used and call it a day. Thanks!

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2020, 09:33 PM »
Just a thought - could you not make a 1” wood block or even one from a cork sanding block that would elevate the RTS / RTSC to better use the width of the sandpaper as you worked.  Not sure if you could use Velcro to adhere one to the base of the positioning aid.  But that would maintain a perpendicular edge guide while allowing more of the sandpaper to be used.


Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2020, 09:24 AM »
Well if it still fits in a Sys2 that is perfect. I can make a plastic insert to secure the edge guide and sander as a unit, fit out a section to hold sandpaper that will be used and call it a day. Thanks!

It's a tight fit but it does fit inside and the cover will close with a little persuasion.

If you make an insert I'd be interested in what it looks like. [big grin]

I really like the idea of being able to hold extra sheets of paper in the Systainer. I've done that with the SurFix Systainer, a 10-pack of 150 discs and a 10-pack of 240 discs always at hand, convenient is an understatement.

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2020, 04:27 PM »
Just a thought - could you not make a 1” wood block or even one from a cork sanding block that would elevate the RTS / RTSC to better use the width of the sandpaper as you worked.  Not sure if you could use Velcro to adhere one to the base of the positioning aid.  But that would maintain a perpendicular edge guide while allowing more of the sandpaper to be used.



great idea.
you could make it like a craidle around the normal pad that would slide on and off easily.

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Offline 08G8V8

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2020, 03:49 PM »
Looks like a small amount of trimming will be required to fit the RTS 400 REQ.







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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2020, 04:14 PM »
“ It was relatively slow going using 240 grit Granat, so I decided to swap out the ETSC for the DTSC...still using 240 Granat the job went 50%-70% faster, Then I noticed this.”

Seriously? The tiny orbit sander was faster that the random orbit sander?

@Cheese   back to the random orbit sander being slower than the orbital...

I’ve noticed when using my Festool random orbit sanders that when I lift the sander off the work the pad stops rotating, or only spins weakly. The pad on my Bosch r.o. sander continues to spin when lifted from the work. If the pad isn’t spinning when using the Positioning Aid it won’t do as much work. Do you recall if it was? If not maybe it needs more lateral pressure than the orbital sanders.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2020, 09:39 PM »
Looks like a small amount of trimming will be required to fit the RTS 400 REQ.

Are you going to be trimming it? If so I’d be interested in the results.  [smile]

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2020, 09:46 PM »

@Cheese   back to the random orbit sander being slower than the orbital...

I’ve noticed when using my Festool random orbit sanders that when I lift the sander off the work the pad stops rotating, or only spins weakly. The pad on my Bosch r.o. sander continues to spin when lifted from the work. If the pad isn’t spinning when using the Positioning Aid it won’t do as much work. Do you recall if it was? If not maybe it needs more lateral pressure than the orbital sanders.

That’s good info Michael, I’ll install both the ETSC and the Pro 5 and report back tomorrow. I was being pretty carefull with the ETSC because the DTSC in comparison was really removing a lot of material.

Offline Svar

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2020, 10:43 PM »
Of topic, but I always maintained that most hand tools should have standard mounting points. None of this mismatch (not to mention ghastly bulky design) would be happening if there were a couple strategically placed threaded holes on the body (think of angle grinder, or most planers, Makita 9404, and yes, P1cc  [not worthy]).
When I buy tools mounting option (threaded holes, 43 mm collar, etc.) is always an important criteria. Because I know I'll end up attaching some kind of fence, guide, jig, extra grip, or mounting the tool in a stand.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2020, 11:06 PM by Svar »

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2020, 01:24 AM »
I will never forgive them for now making this one work or a version for the ETS EC 150.
the orbit on the ETS/Pro5 is 2.2mm. The ETs EC is 3.0mm this might have been part of FT decision. Easier to hold the sander to the project without chasing the sander?  The connection might have been easier. Since I got the ETS EC 125 I’ve had far less use for the Pro5. So I like the idea of repurposing the ETS as a dedicated sheet good edge sander!

Offline 08G8V8

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2020, 12:21 PM »
Looks like a small amount of trimming will be required to fit the RTS 400 REQ.

Are you going to be trimming it? If so I’d be interested in the results.  [smile]









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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2020, 03:00 PM »
Installed my aid in one of the Pro5s and gave it a quick test run using the mesh abrasive (120x) at 60* (but without dust extraction). Observations:

1) The factory setting was dead-on. No need to adjust the angle scale.
2) The edge profile was uniform (for comparison, one edge was chamfered with a plane)
3) The mounted sander couldn't fit in the Pro5 Ltd systainer. The aid was disassembled so it could be stored with the sander
4) The user manual isn't really that good, and a couple of drawings are confusing. Festool has a lot to learn from Ikea in this respect.

« Last Edit: December 12, 2020, 03:15 PM by ChuckM »

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316 (Sanding Guide)
« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2021, 11:48 AM »
Mine is on the way.  My favorite sander is the ETS EC 150 EQ, but I have a couple of Pro 5's, and the plan was to use up of the 5" sandpaper supply and then sell them or give them to kids/grandkids.  Now I'll have to keep at least one, and start to replenish my supply of 5" paper.

For those of you that have one, what are some of the cool, maybe unexpected, things you've done with it?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2021, 12:33 PM »
I removed the Systainer insert from the Pro 5 and everything fits inside nicely, including some room for extra sandpaper and extra velour linings.




When the top is lowered there is just a 1 mm gap which completely closes with just a small extra amount of force.


Offline ChuckM

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316 (Sanding Guide)
« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2021, 05:56 PM »
Snip.
For those of you that have one, what are some of the cool, maybe unexpected, things you've done with it?

Not sure if it's considered cool, but I used it today to chamfer ends (at 10*).
« Last Edit: January 09, 2021, 06:02 PM by ChuckM »

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Teaser: Positioning Aid 205316
« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2021, 06:00 PM »
I removed the Systainer insert from the Pro 5 and everything fits inside nicely, including some room for extra sandpaper and extra velour linings.




When the top is lowered there is just a 1 mm gap which completely closes with just a small extra amount of force.


You're right, Cheese. After retrying a couple of times, I can now store the combo in the case in certain position.