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Offline Onebean

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Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« on: September 11, 2023, 11:30 AM »
I've been building some frameless cabinets from prefinished plywood over the last year, with the help of my Festool tracksaw, MFT3, domino, and MFK 700 for trimming edge banding. I've been using preglued edge banding on the exposed plywood on the fronts of the cabinets/shelves, and using partial or full overlay doors and drawers. I've completed 2- book cases, 2- credenzas, 2- bathroom vanities, and a full set of upper and lower cabinets including a pantry for a small kitchen in an investment property. I'm honing my skills and refining my build process slowly, and I'm gaining confidence in my abilities. Applying the preglued edge banding with an iron is kind of a drag on the process, and I get loose spots where the glue didn't get heated long enough. I find these in assembly typically, and have to carefully reheat the area to get the glue to stick. I think the Conturo would speed up the process significantly, and I would hope eliminate the loose areas. The price of the Conturo is where I pause. It's just so dang expensive.

It looks like I will be tackling the task of building all new cabinets for my medium sized home kitchen. If this project happens, I see my edge banding options as:

1- keep using the preglued edge banding and iron, work on my technique to eliminate the loose spots, and come to terms with the time it will take to iron all this on.
2- purchase a less expensive edge banding machine. My issue with the others I've looked at, are the floor space they take because it's a dedicated machine that requires floor space (which I don't want to give up). I also have some concerns with the glue clean up/maintenance on this style of machine between uses.
3- purchase the Conturo and hopefully eliminate all my issues while significantly speeding up the application process.

Any advice???

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Offline squall_line

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2023, 12:02 PM »
My advice is to perfect your ironing technique.  Or find a really clean but really cheap used Conturo.

I've tossed back and forth the idea of getting a Conturo myself, and almost pulled the trigger on Recon once or twice, but the time it would take me to put enough hobby production through it to justify the cost is pretty insane.  If I had money burning a hole in my pocket, then maybe.  But even then, without the accessory set...

I already have a Vac-SYS, and I feel like that or some other form of vacuum clamp to keep access to all 4 edges at the same time is part of what makes the Conturo worth having.  Clamping a panel to a table, running the Conturo on only one side, trimming, releasing, turning, clamping...  Although I'm sure that applies almost as equally with iron-on banding.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2023, 12:03 PM »
I have 2 Conturo’s that were the workhorses of our edge banding. Got the first one when the first came to NA. The trimmer is a must.

I bought this used for 3K, there are still times we use the Conturos.



Conturo in use;
https://youtu.be/f0_ok_tjV1o?si=OYH6OcY4h5fcoQ33

Tom
« Last Edit: September 11, 2023, 12:08 PM by tjbnwi »

Offline bwehman

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2023, 12:13 PM »
Looks like a conturo is about to pop on on the recon site: https://www.festoolrecon.com/collections/oneanddone

Offline MikeGE

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2023, 01:44 PM »
I considered buying a Conturo, but decided I wouldn't use it enough to justify the cost.  However, I watched this video last night about the Co-Matic BR600 that is hand-held and less expensive than the Conturo. 



Offline denovo

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2023, 02:54 PM »
Just the ability to use 1mm edge banding with the conturo is worth the investment for me.  The finished product is far superior to the iron on edgebanding.  The pucks are more expensive but not having to deal with a glue pot is worth the expense.  You can also buy non-festool pucks and cut them down with ratcheting pipe cutter. 

If mine died tomorrow I'd buy another without hesitation.  I've also let a few other contractors borrow it and they bought one after I took it back.  They couldn't go back to iron-on, 

Offline Onebean

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2023, 07:13 PM »
I'm working on a DIY VAC-SYS currently, so I can eliminate the manual clamping. 

I looked at the Co-Matic when the reviewer said it was half the price. The one I found for sale was only around $400 cheaper.

What is this Recon site? Does Festool recondition these tools? Are they used, or items that were defective on delivery?

   

Offline slavi.yordanov

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2023, 07:32 PM »
I'm working on a DIY VAC-SYS currently, so I can eliminate the manual clamping. 

I looked at the Co-Matic when the reviewer said it was half the price. The one I found for sale was only around $400 cheaper.

What is this Recon site? Does Festool recondition these tools? Are they used, or items that were defective on delivery?

 
Some are used and repaired, but mostly returned items. Warranty is only 1 year instead of 3.

Buying that type of machine for a single project won’t make much sense in my opinion. You can always resale later for a good price I guess..

Or you can build the boxes from 13-ply birch and leave the edges exposed.


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Offline woodferret

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2023, 09:19 PM »
Probably my #1 reason for not getting the Conturo... discovering your affinity towards thick solid edging that ties two cabinets together.  Basically face-frame, but no overlap and extremely tight tolerance.

It's not the standard euro-cabinet one can knock out and make RTA, but dang it looks way nicer and justifies doing this yourself.  A Conturo will do nothing in this world.

All that said, your investment property monetary bracket would dictate whether you want to go this custom or just knock out euro style cabinets.  If it's the later, get the Conturo.  If your investment property is on such slim margins that this is a meaningful thing, then just work on your ironing technique, which includes proper cleaning, pads, etc, etc.  Also shelf life/storage is a concern with pre-glued, but is even more of an issue with PVC so be aware.  You'll need a reliable supplier - it had to be said.

Offline SoonerFan

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2023, 10:55 PM »
I have talked myself out of one a couple times.  Initially, it was the cost.  Lately, I find myself building face frame cabinets more and more often thus very little need for a Conturo.  When edge banding is needed for shelves, I typically use hard wood, glue on and flush trim.  If my needs change I would look at the Conturo again.



Offline Peter Kelly

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2023, 11:40 AM »
Buy a Conturo, maintain it carefully and re-sell it once you’re done. I can’t imagine it’d be difficult to move one of these if the asking price is right.

Guido Henn just did another excellent video on manually applying and trimming 3mm plastic tape to melamine-clad board. I’ve found that Titebond Quick & Thick works well for this type of application with wood tape. Certainly not as fast as a hot-melt machine but far stronger and basically zero investment.



 

Offline cider

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Re: Talk me into/out of purchasing a Conturo
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2023, 12:13 PM »
I'm just a hobbyist, and I picked up a refurb Conturo for a cabinet project.  It was an extravagance for me, and I planned to sell it afterwards, but I'm having second thoughts now that it's getting towards the end of the project.  When I added up all the individual edges to be covered, it was in the hundreds, so I'm glad I bought it.

Keep in mind glue is expensive, and comes in large-ish quantities.  The trimmer is really expensive, IMO, but it works as advertised and makes things easy.