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Offline AnnaD24

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TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« on: August 30, 2021, 09:15 AM »


Hej everyone!

I am looking into buying my very first tracksaw. I have experience using table saws in woodworkshops, never used a tracksaw as of yet. I will initially mainly use for small projects to cut sheet material, make small furniture, cut shelves, and perhaps a floor in the near future. I also hope to use it in the future to make picture frames, which is what I have mostly been doing on table saws.

After doing quite some research and looking at my wallet, I had initially concluded that even if I really wanted the Festool corded version, probably the best buy for me would be the Makita SP6000J for now, allowing me to buy a saw and a guiding rail for less than just a Festool TS55. However, both Makita and Festool have some quite insane offers now in Germany that have gotten me completely confused on what to do and are now making me consider buying the cordless Festool TSC55 as they come with two free batteries atm? [unsure]
These are the options I now see on the table:

The Makita SP6000J (corded)
1 x HM blade 48 teeth (Makita)
1 x MAKPAC-D container
2 x guide rails 1500 mm
1 x protective bag
417 euro

The Festool TSC 55 KEB (cordless)
2x free batteries BP 18 Li 5,2 ASI
1x Systainer SYS3 M 437
1xHW fine-tooth saw blade WD42
1xdust bag
519 euro
+ charger 60 euro and extra rail FS1400 98 euro:
TOTAL 677 euro

The Festool TS 55 FQ Plus (corded)
1x Guide rail FS 1400/2
1x Guide rail pocket FS-Bag
1x Circular saw blade WOOD UNIVERSAL HW W28
1xSystainer SYS3 M 337
587 euro
+ extra rail FS 1400/2 98 euro:
total 685 euro

Do I stick with the original plan and 'just' buy the Makita set, which is a great deal already. Or do I eat only potatoes and bread for a month or two and spend the extra euro's for the corded or even cordless Festool???

The free batteries really got me doubting here, as a cordless version is now almost the same price as a corded one. I have also understood the cordless version has more power and an improved kickback protection system, something that the Makita lacks entirely. The Makita also does not have a riving knife, so it seems there is no protection for kickback at all. I am not so much concerned with having my tracksaw to be used on location. But than I was reading that the other, somewhat less obvious advantage of a cordless tracksaw is you can bring it with you to the shop when you buy large sheet material, and cut it to roughly the sizes you need at the shop, avoiding having to rent huge vans to fit larger sized sheets, which I thought was pretty smart ; ) For now I would also probably not buy a VC and work with the dustbag if I would go for the cordless one. So I would have to invest in a VC for the corded versions I guess.

Any advice, ideas, experiences more than welcome! :)
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Online woodferret

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2021, 11:49 AM »
TSC.  I've heard too many makitas kicking back and jumping the track.  Yes, it's technique, but either TSC or TS comes with the limit stop if your plunging on a start cut which add to the safety.  As for breaking down sheet goods at the store, probably none of these are that good of an option as oppose to just having them precut it for you.  The TSC's bag is useful for doing long rip cuts without worrying about the extractor hose.  You can buy it separately for the TS55 though.

Personally, I have the TS55 corded mainly because of lighter weight.  I have sheet goods delivered (marginally more expensive than renting a van) and just have it offloaded onto sawhorse in the driveway to break down.  Get the bag.  Cord by itself isn't too bad, but trying to drag a hose over a precariously large stack isn't fun - especially when it gets caught.  If you can, try both saws to see how they feel in stretch, and taking on/off and putting to the side.  The weight of the TSC55 might not be a concern.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2021, 08:06 PM »
I have the corded TS55 mostly because I use it in the shop, always connected to a CT26, and I am not already on the Festool battery platform. The only cordless Festool brand item I have is CXS, which is the odd battery. If I really need more power, I jump up to the TS75, but for mostly sheet goods, the TS55 is fine.
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Offline glass1

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2021, 09:22 PM »
Exact opposite.  I have had the cordless makita for years. For the money it cannot be beat period. Excellent power and run time. NO KICK BACK ISSUES.  The ts55 is a dog no power avoid. The tsc55 is a winner. All the things the makita is not. Better rail adjustment and dust collection. Uses thicker blades to me who is often putting custom nickel backs and dados this is a plus. Maybe its an ecosystem choice. I have both the makita cordless and the tsc 55. The makita shines ripping solid stock without having to move to a panther blade yep its got power. The tsc shines for clean cuts dust collection precise rail adjustment especially when transitioning from connected rails.

Offline tjbier

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2021, 10:21 PM »
I bought the TS55, used it for 1hr and immediately brought it back to the store and upgraded to the TS75.  It was underpowered cutting though 1"-1 1/2" cherry and white oak, even with the panther blade.
The TS75 is nice but is way overkill just cutting down sheet goods.
If I were buying one now, it would be cordless. No question. I could be swayed either Makita (I have tons of cordless already) or Festool. A guy at work just bought the TSC55 and with just the dust bag on it ripping sheet goods I was very impressed, it's power and how much the dust bag collected. TSC55 can be run on 1 battery where the Makita cannot. Not a deal breaker, but might be handy at some point.
Not having a cord or hose to trip over, get caught on the track ect was very nice.
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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2021, 02:44 AM »
I should add that a track saw is only as straight as it's rail.  If you only have either the makita or festool as local dealers where you can return/shop for straight rails then the choice would be which ever one it is.  If your online shops will allow no-hassle returns, they'd count too.

I used to have a Triton track saw and while it's pretty decent value, their rails were slightly bowed.  Good enough for rough breakdown and shop furniture, but not further.  I switched to Festool just because I had a local Lee Valley that'd let me easily bring in rails/swap trying to find a straight one.  Normally, it's the expensive long rails that concern me the most, but ironically, my 800mm rail was the one that deviated 1+ mm.  Also, get the TSO connector when you want to join rails. 

Offline Tinker

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2021, 04:00 AM »
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Offline kevinculle

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2021, 08:32 AM »
I have had the corded Makita with two 1400mm Makita tracks for about 6 years.  I have used it to rip sheet goods without issue or kickback.  When I built my ipe deck I borrowed my buddy's two 1400mm Makita tracks, connected all four together and used the saw to run straight line end cuts across 16' (~5m) of 3/4" ipe deck boards and it didn't break a sweat.  I highly recommend it!

Offline notenoughcash

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2021, 02:49 PM »
TSC.  gobs of power and smackes the TS in almost every respect.  the extra weight has never been an isue.

or the cordless makita, the makita cordless range is huge, but it donesnt feel as refined as the tsc
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Offline mino

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2021, 05:25 PM »
If you want to save money, get the Makita saw and rail connectors set, but skip Makita rails an use them on the Festool FS/2 rails.
Ideally, get the holy LR32 version of the rails.

If you want the best hobby use saw from these three, get the older TSC with 2,2 blade and a mechanical riving knife.

My 2 cents.
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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2021, 12:48 AM »
I like both the corded and cordless Festool. I have the riding knife version of the cordless and it is awesome in all regards. I understand the newer one is more efficient on battery use due to the thinner kerf. I have only had one kick back when I was new to using track saws and as others have mentioned, the little stop Festival provides negates that from happening in plunge cuts. Ideally like all my saws and do not think you can go wrong. I think there is a new version of the TS55 that will take thin kerf blades in Europe so that too might be an option if you go corded.

Offline slavi.yordanov

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2021, 03:31 AM »
TSC55 and LR-32 rails, no question about it. You would be surprised how much the bag catches. Makita is pretty good too as others have noted. I switched to Festool because of the bluetooth, it's so convenient. You would be a vacuum in the future too, that almost guaranteed.


Offline Bertotti

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2021, 09:04 AM »
I have been using my corded version to rip longboards and sheet good a lot recently. I use a generator if I am not near an outlet. I am firmly set against a consumable on a tool I use a lot. I have some battery drills but they are just safer when going up and down ladders but I still hate that I need to spend as much on a battery as I do a tool. If that doesn't bother you no worries but batteries do not last forever and is a constant irritation to me. My ts55 works great. Cord and all and one other thing to think about is if you're dragging around the hose for the vac then you still aren't really cordless the hose is just a big cord.
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2021, 07:31 PM »
My ts55 works great. Cord and all and one other thing to think about is if you're dragging around the hose for the vac then you still aren't really cordless the hose is just a big cord.
This was my reasoning behind the corded version. I always have mine connected o the CT.
I mostly cut sheetgoods with the TS55 and occasionally rip some barn wood. For thicker stock, the TS75 does the job. It has never felt underpowered.
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Offline Spandex

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2021, 03:36 AM »
I have been using my corded version to rip longboards and sheet good a lot recently. I use a generator if I am not near an outlet. I am firmly set against a consumable on a tool I use a lot. I have some battery drills but they are just safer when going up and down ladders but I still hate that I need to spend as much on a battery as I do a tool. If that doesn't bother you no worries but batteries do not last forever and is a constant irritation to me. My ts55 works great. Cord and all and one other thing to think about is if you're dragging around the hose for the vac then you still aren't really cordless the hose is just a big cord.
Every tool has consumables (blades, bits, etc), so I think it really comes down to their cost and how often they need to be replaced. Do batteries really need replacing that often?

The reason I eventually want to swap my TS for a TSC is so I have the option of using it completely cordless with the bag. Yes, most of the time it will have a hose connected, which means the cordless functionality isn’t being used (ignoring the power increase), but if I want to use it without a cord and without a hose, I can. That’s not an option with the TS.

But I agree that if you plan to use a TSC exactly like you’d use a TS, at all times, you might as well just have a TS.

Offline squall_line

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2021, 08:46 AM »
I got a TS55 instead of a TSC because I never intend to use it outside of the shop/garage and I want my kid to be able to use it 15-20 years from now as a hand-me-down.  The HKC I plan to use outdoors and/or unattached, and drills are drills to me (other than perhaps hammer drills), so I'm fine with batteries for those.

If I find myself needing a TSC55 because I'm moving outside of the garage, I would probably still keep the TS55 as an "electrical plugs probably won't go obsolete" backup.

Offline Spandex

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2021, 11:52 AM »
Another, more positive way to look at the additional cost of batteries is that they’re interchangeable between tools, so you only need to own a few, then you can save money by buying bare tools.

Offline squall_line

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2021, 12:20 PM »
Another, more positive way to look at the additional cost of batteries is that they’re interchangeable between tools, so you only need to own a few, then you can save money by buying bare tools.

I politely offer this counterpoint:

This was my reasoning for opting for a Makita Impact and Drill combo earlier this year.  Festool doesn't have the "bench depth" in their lineup to justify buying a single cordless tool over a corded one merely for the battery platform, IMHO.  Aside from there being something like 6 different batteries just in the normal lineup (Amp-hour difference and Bluetooth inclusions/exclusions), future resale also may take a hit for hobbyists.

Which isn't to say that Festool's cordless tools aren't worth buying, but I wouldn't personally count "battery platform" as a major upside to consider it over a corded tool, especially since there are three completely different and incompatible battery architectures within the "system".

Drills, Saws, Sys-Rock, Sys-Lite - Same battery platform
OS/OSC18 - Cordless makes sense if you're not using dust collection
Carvex PS(B)/PS(B)C420 - Love it or hate it machine, arguable if cordless PSC is more convenient/worth buying over Mafell P1CC?
Trion - Corded only
Sanders - Different battery architecture, only one that also accepts a cord
CXS/TXS - Different battery architecture
Kapex - Corded only
Routers - Corded only
Banding machine - Corded only (can't even wrap my head around the weight if that went cordless and had enough battery to sustain prolonged heating)

With Festool, sometimes the "batteries included" kits come with even more accessories than just the batteries and charger compared to the original tool, or with a completely different insert in the systainer (although at least they come with the Systainer; some say this is another thing that they would like to get rid of in "bare tool" variants). 

Thing is, if you wanted to buy one tool with batteries and everything else bare-tool, you have to be very choosy about which battery-included tool you buy, as some of them have a higher price differential with the battery than others, or have completely different battery capacities, bluetooth-inclusion, etc.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2021, 04:15 PM »
squall_line, That is part of my reasoning also. I am not already on the Festool battery platform, with the exception of the CSX, which does not count here.
The big problem I am facing right now is with the Vecturo. As I see it, because of the accessories/attachments, the cordless model is the one I would prefer, but again not already on the platform.
I may eventually go that route, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to go in with only one tool using that battery.
I am well equipped with the Makita batteries, using them with drills, impact drivers and compact routers, so I just don't look forward to another battery.
If I did go with the cordless Vecturo, I might be convinced to switch to TSC, because I know that I can get most of my money back from the TS. I'm just not sure that the added weight of the battery version is worth the cost difference? The occasional cut w/o the CT hose might be handy, but?
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DF500 + assortment set
PS420 + Base kit
OF1010
OF1400
MFK700 (2)
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Offline mrB

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2021, 05:30 PM »
I've owned two Makita Sp6000Js

They're great with one real issue!! The adjusters on the base plate to fine tune the saw's grip on the rail come loose EVERY SINGLE DAY of use.
So by the end of the day there is 1-2mm of variation in your splinter guard strip. Removing much of the saws accuracy.

IF this issue didn't exist in then the Makita would be a solid recomend from me if you want to save some cash over the Festool.
But regardless, for me the Festool is always the winner because of the service/parts/accessories/blades availability and quality.
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Offline Spandex

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2021, 06:42 PM »
Festool doesn't have the "bench depth" in their lineup to justify buying a single cordless tool over a corded one merely for the battery platform, IMHO.
I wasn’t so much suggesting that you buy specifically for the battery platform - just pointing out that if you have the batteries, that moves the goalposts slightly if you’re deciding between a corded and cordless version of a Festool tool in the future.

And I’m not making a Festool specific argument. If someone has multiple batteries from any manufacturer, it makes sense to include cordless tools from that range in any decision, as some of the expense has already been covered.

It’s more a point about not discounting cordless just because you usually use dust extraction and cordless tools are more expensive.

Offline Svar

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2021, 01:30 AM »
I've owned two Makita Sp6000Js
They're great with one real issue!! The adjusters on the base plate to fine tune the saw's grip on the rail come loose EVERY SINGLE DAY of use.
Could that be fixed by adding some kind of friction washer somewhere? Festool does have a rubber part inside the adjuster for better friction.

Offline mino

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2021, 05:42 AM »
My ts55 works great. Cord and all and one other thing to think about is if you're dragging around the hose for the vac then you still aren't really cordless the hose is just a big cord.
This was my reasoning behind the corded version. I always have mine connected o the CT.
I mostly cut sheetgoods with the TS55 and occasionally rip some barn wood. For thicker stock, the TS75 does the job. It has never felt underpowered.
Seconded.
Reason I went TSC is I am a hobby user, so the more versatile a tool, the better.
In shop use I put up with the weight. Put up, not enjoy it.
Ah, and the annoyance that the normal D27 has the cord embedded for sanding and toher tools which hang from it using the TSC ... so I rather switch hoses when using the TSC these days.

But there are cases when as a hobby user I (abuse) use it in place/setting with no power and those cases make it well worth it. E.g. it is indispensable for breaking sheet goods at the lumber yard. /their formatting saws are mostly not precise-enough so would have to re-cut everything otherwise/

But all use cases why I love the TSC are hobby-related as a pro would have better/dedicated tools for them or the would not apply. or would get both a TSC -and- a TS for cutting station use.
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Offline TJM

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2021, 09:37 AM »
Sorry for the late response.  I reached the same point as you did in January 2021. I had experience with a number of “track” systems but was wanting more.

I made my own “tracks” using hardboard and a half inch straight edge. It work surprisingly well and cost really nothing. But it wasn’t very easy to use, took time to setup and clamp, slipped a lot, didn’t make really good “cabinet-grade” cuts and created a lot of dust.

I graduated to the TruTrac system, that used their own tracks or rails, along with a special adapter plate that can attach to any circular saw. It was a good system and met my initial needs. It didn’t slip, made decent cuts on the splinter guard side, breaking down plywood was much easier (didn’t have to haul the plywood to the TS), and 10 years ago it was a low cost entry into track systems. I eventually attached it to a cordless 7 ¼ saw and I was mobile. Drawbacks for me were the cuts were still abit rough, lots of saw marks along the cut edge and I always had to cut outside year round because the amount of dust thrown in the shop was tremendous. There was just no way to control the dust. I felt more in control and safer making long cuts in plywood but kick back still happened.

I then was able to use some other track systems (Wen, Dewalt and Makita) and really liked them better. The cuts were better under the splinter guard and along the cut edge, dust collection was much better. I started doing the research and decided on the corded Festool TS 55 F or Makita SP6000J. Both tools got great reviews on their cuts and their performance. They seemed really equal. I ultimately decided on the Festool for the following reasons;

- Makita was focused toward the construction site while Festool was focused toward the cabinet/shop market,
- Festool had much more accessories,
- Festool rails were adaptable to other tools (Domino, routers) with a system approach
- Festool dust control was better.

I tried buying a Festool TS 55 F from January to April 2021 but none were available. Then the TSC KEB came out. I really didn’t want another battery system, and I planned to only use it in my shop. But all reports were that it would be late summer before the corded TS 55 F was available. I then heard about the corded TS 55 REB with the thinner blades, but that wasn’t being sold anywhere either.  I tested the TSC 55 KEB in June 2021, really liked it and bought it. I have been very satisfied with it and highly recommend the TSC 55 KEB.

The saw with batteries isnt at all too heavy and is well balanced, the power is really very good, the thinner blade glides through the wood, the saw/blade combo has plenty of power, and battery life is great. The cut is very good and beyond expectation; splinter free on both sides of the cut and the edge cut is almost perfectly smooth. The dust collection is very good, not perfect, but way better than all the other systems Ive used. Ive used it with the CT-26 Dust Extractor, through a Dust Deputy, through a Bucket Head and with a shop vac all with very good results. The good dust collection is probably related to a well-designed saw, the green splinter guard, good track and the thinner blade.

One thing that can’t be empathized enough is how safe the Festool saw system is; the plunge mechanism is very smooth and controlled, rails and anti slip pads work really well holding the work piece with lots of clamping options, the saw with the kickback sensor, and the Limit Stops all make use really safe.

The surprise – I love the cordless saw. Being untethered in the shop is really nice, and being able to carry the saw outside, or to a jobsite has been incredibly convenient.  And dust collection with the dust bag is really good.

I could not be happier with this saw. In fact, I have been so happy with the TSC 55 KEB that I bought the HKC 55 last week. Now I have four batteries to run both saws. And no surprise, the HKC is really nice to use with the FSV rail. But that’s another review.
 
To sum it up, if you just want a Track Saw to break down sheet goods, then a number of saws will do this very well. I have used the Dewalt and Makita, and would have been satisfied with both for that purpose.

I opted for the Festool because it had very good dust collection, a very good cut quality, lots of accessories, a system of tools that use the rails and the system is focused on safety.
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Offline mrB

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2021, 11:26 AM »
I've owned two Makita Sp6000Js
They're great with one real issue!! The adjusters on the base plate to fine tune the saw's grip on the rail come loose EVERY SINGLE DAY of use.
Could that be fixed by adding some kind of friction washer somewhere? Festool does have a rubber part inside the adjuster for better friction.

Not sure. This conversation happened a few years back when a shipwright on the forum bought two of the saws. I think he tried adding a rubber washer but returned both saws a week later as the issue couldn’t be rectified. .
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Offline Bertotti

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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2021, 07:59 PM »
I have been using my corded version to rip longboards and sheet good a lot recently. I use a generator if I am not near an outlet. I am firmly set against a consumable on a tool I use a lot. I have some battery drills but they are just safer when going up and down ladders but I still hate that I need to spend as much on a battery as I do a tool. If that doesn't bother you no worries but batteries do not last forever and is a constant irritation to me. My ts55 works great. Cord and all and one other thing to think about is if you're dragging around the hose for the vac then you still aren't really cordless the hose is just a big cord.
Every tool has consumables (blades, bits, etc), so I think it really comes down to their cost and how often they need to be replaced. Do batteries really need replacing that often?

The reason I eventually want to swap my TS for a TSC is so I have the option of using it completely cordless with the bag. Yes, most of the time it will have a hose connected, which means the cordless functionality isn’t being used (ignoring the power increase), but if I want to use it without a cord and without a hose, I can. That’s not an option with the TS.

But I agree that if you plan to use a TSC exactly like you’d use a TS, at all times, you might as well just have a TS.

A fine reason, for me if indoors I am always connected to the ct. If outdoors I don't care if it is connected and don't need the bag. Saw dust isn't hurting the ground any. And on surfaces I can sweep up that need it I do.
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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2021, 09:03 AM »
I've owned two Makita Sp6000Js
They're great with one real issue!! The adjusters on the base plate to fine tune the saw's grip on the rail come loose EVERY SINGLE DAY of use.
Could that be fixed by adding some kind of friction washer somewhere? Festool does have a rubber part inside the adjuster for better friction.
That problem can be mitigated, but cannot be solved. Notice he said every single day - not every single cut.

The cams on the Makitas are in direct contact with the rail - so you can, in theory, prevent them to rotate. But, that will prevent your ability to adjust. And adjust you need, as the cams material is "consumed" as the saw slides on the rail.

Festool has solved this by having plastic sliders which the cams push. So the cams do not come in contact with the rail which means more accuracy, less friction due to a bigger contact surface and the cams are pretty much "for life". I believe this was introduced with the TS55 about a decade or so ago and is still under patent protection. I expect Makita to switch to the cams-do-not-contact-rail in 5 years or so, once the patents expire.

But still, for hobby use this is really just a nuisance. The Makita track saws are good saws and make great cuts. Festool does win on ergonomy and dust collection. Depends how much one values those aspects.

With the FS/2 rails are physically more precise and have better anti-slip pads. You can not compensate for the lack of precision once a rail is not straight-enough. For that reason I would not recommend a hobby user to save on the rails. Save on the saw, if you must.

With a cheaper saw, you need to fiddle more, you need to put up with more dust, your cuts will not be as smooth. But you can still get perfectly straight cut even from a $99 cheap Chinese track saw. As straight as your rail is.
But with a non-straight rail, no matter the saw, the cut will not be straight. That is OK for short cuts, asd the deviation tend to be small in the absolute. But can become a problem once in the 6' plus territory. IMO is just not worth the trouble for a hobby user to keep investigating if your technique is wrong or the rail is bad - having no straight edge to reference against. While a pro will know what he is doing so can compensate with assembly/design approach etc. this can be totally frustrating for a novice or a hobby user.
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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2021, 06:04 PM »


The cams on the Makitas are in direct contact with the rail - so you can, in theory, prevent them to rotate. But, that will prevent your ability to adjust. And adjust you need, as the cams material is "consumed" as the saw slides on the rail.

Festool has solved this by having plastic sliders which the cams push. So the cams do not come in contact with the rail which means more accuracy, less friction due to a bigger contact surface and the cams are pretty much "for life". I believe this was introduced with the TS55 about a decade or so ago and is still under patent protection. I expect Makita to switch to the cams-do-not-contact-rail in 5 years or so, once the patents expire.

Apparently they are respecting their own patents (or are unwilling to update another tool) because the TS75 suffers from this same problem. The cam is in direct contact with the rail, with the added bonus of being attached by an E-clip, so you cannot adjust the tension of the cam.
The cams are also on the leading edge of the pivot point, so they actually tighten/jamb, rather tan getting loose. For the most part, a little wax solves this, but occasionally it still happens.
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Re: TS55 or TSC55? or Makita Sp6000J
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2021, 02:53 PM »
I've owned two Makita Sp6000Js
They're great with one real issue!! The adjusters on the base plate to fine tune the saw's grip on the rail come loose EVERY SINGLE DAY of use.
Could that be fixed by adding some kind of friction washer somewhere? Festool does have a rubber part inside the adjuster for better friction.
That problem can be mitigated, but cannot be solved. Notice he said every single day - not every single cut.
The cams on the Makitas are in direct contact with the rail - so you can, in theory, prevent them to rotate. But, that will prevent your ability to adjust. And adjust you need, as the cams material is "consumed" as the saw slides on the rail.
Festool has solved this by having plastic sliders which the cams push. So the cams do not come in contact with the rail which means more accuracy, less friction due to a bigger contact surface and the cams are pretty much "for life".
On my 10 year old TS75 cams are attached with screws and have direct contact with rail. They are easy to adjust but never come loose/tight on their own. I barely ever need to adjust them.
I actually prefer those to plastic sliders on my newer TS55. While theoretically superior, new design always feels "spongy", i.e. by the time you get rid of side to side wobble, forward friction is already too great. Same with Mafell design.
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