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Offline JonathanJung

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Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« on: March 19, 2021, 01:15 PM »
Can Festool or anyone confirm which locations Festool clamps are manufactured?

Got in a couple ratchet clamps from one of my usual suppliers, and am disappointed they are now being made in Vietnam, not Germany. I'm thinking, why pay $42 for a clamp made overseas...can anyone confirm this is legit and if so, that the quality is the same?

Photo of my original clamps has the Germany stamp.

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Offline Coen

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2021, 01:36 PM »
Quality does not depend on country, but used materials and machinery.

I don't think Festool ever made those themselves honestly. I think they always bought them from Bessey.

Did you ask Festool directly?

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2021, 01:43 PM »
A lot of the lower end Bessey stuff is made in China and I’ve read that Western manufactures are moving some of their production capacity out of China, to Vietnam in particular.

That clamp is not lower end but since you have both what do you think of the quality? Like Coen said, location isn’t the determinant.

Offline RustE

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2021, 02:09 PM »
Environment regulations are forcing a lot of foundries to close. Festool already had a manufacturing source in Vietnam for soft goods. At this point, be happy they’re still transparent about country of origin.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2021, 02:58 PM »
Vietnam clamp has better surface finish on it. Could be they made a new batch of tooling with a move.

Like others said, it's the design, manufacturing, materials that make the quality difference, not where it's made. It's fine though if the issue to be taken has more to do with the labor/wages side of things, or the environmental impact. As mentioned, the biggest reason for going to these countries is to dodge environmental regs. This is not a comment against the regs, it's an issue with companies dodging them this way.


Offline Coen

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2021, 03:02 PM »
Not always. Sometimes it's also the local supply chain or just the lower labor costs. When you have to refurbish an old factory for new... building a new one on the other side of the globe might be just as expensive but result in lower running costs.

Offline Blues

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2021, 03:43 PM »
.. these clamps may out live our lifetime. It's got the festool name, has the green color.. so must me worth the money.. 8)


Offline mackenzie

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2021, 10:47 AM »
I have three Festool ratchet clamps purchased 2/3 years ago and they are made in Germany.  I bought the same clamps in November 2020 and can confirm they were made in Vietnam.  I see no difference in functionality.

Offline JeremyH.

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2021, 01:54 PM »
I find it to be a let down but not because of quality. I'm just not super interested in the amorphous blob approach to existence.
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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2021, 02:38 PM »
I'm just not super interested in the amorphous blob approach to existence.

Interesting, manufacturing in Vietnam can be seen as an amorphous blob approach to existence. I'll have to ponder over this for a while.  [scratch chin]

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2021, 03:38 PM »
Better than China.  I have a few Metabo tools with Vietnamese made/assembled chargers and batteries.  Never any issues and better than made in China in my books.  I'll never buy a 4Ah Festool battery as long as they make them in China. 
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Offline JeremyH.

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2021, 04:51 PM »
Better than China.  I have a few Metabo tools with Vietnamese made/assembled chargers and batteries.  Never any issues and better than made in China in my books.  I'll never buy a 4Ah Festool battery as long as they make them in China.

I agree that a lot of other asian countries make things better than in China. But who wants to say "I like Festool they are a German/Vietnamese/Taiwanese/Chinese company at a premium German/Vietnamese/Taiwanese/Chinese price, I really like supporting German/Vietnamese/Taiwanese/Chinese manufacturing." It's just one more step towards the blob.
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2021, 05:15 PM »
In term of clamps. I have two lots of Made in China clamps: Harbor Freight F-clamps and 14" deep throat clamps. They outperform many other clamps Made in China/Taiwan/Asia, USA and Mexico in my possession of the same style in terms of value (clamping and price considered).

The 14" DT clamps ($100 Cdn for 6) are from an old welder who recently retired. I have had only brief experience with similar Bessey DT clamps ($170 Cdn or so each). The welder told me that Piher DT clamps (sold in mm) are the best, but not something he could afford for his business. He didn't think the Bessey DT clamps could beat his Chinese clamps.

But no imported aluminum bar clamps can match the USA Dubuque clamps in terms of quality.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2021, 05:44 PM by ChuckM »

Offline JeremyH.

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2021, 05:17 PM »
Sure those Chinese clamps might be great, but they don't say Festool on them... so it's not really part of the topic.
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2021, 05:19 PM »
Metabo clamps are stamped Festool?

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2021, 05:34 PM »
Metabo clamps are stamped Festool?

No, the point I'm making is that I've had other German branded tool products come from Vietnamese factories and they'll been absolutely up to scratch.  The fact that a premium branded product comes from Vietnam should not dissuade a buyer from seeing quality and appropriate value for money in the item they purchase.  Unless it's coming from China.  If it comes from China, I'll buy something else if I can find an alternative.  Clamps or batteries, it doesn't matter to me.
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2021, 05:37 PM »
My comment was in response to "...so it's not really part of the topic."
« Last Edit: March 21, 2021, 05:42 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2021, 05:43 PM »
Ah, got it.   [embarassed]
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Offline JeremyH.

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2021, 09:04 PM »
Metabo clamps are stamped Festool?

Not a favorite thing, the out sourcing for a premium.
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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2021, 10:30 PM »
It all sucks and once again means no one knows the true cost of any of this stuff either from a labor point of view or environmental impact. It'd be nice if we knew for certain our tools weren't undermining people and environment whether in one country or another. Like Trader Joes it all just says Monrovia CA! Ugh.

Offline mino

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2021, 06:32 AM »
Made in China. Made in Germany. Made in XYZ does not tell you anything of the quality of the product.

Only, "made by company ABC at a plant CDE using a technique of FGH" can. Within means.


That said, moving production to a cheaper location AND keeping prices the same is not all that OK with me. But we will have to take this one with Bessey I am afraid.

Festool sells them around the Bessey price. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. So fine there with me. But even if they were a lot more expensive, that would be fine - as Bessey is the maker here, not Festool.

About a year ago, in Europe Bessey tried to sell these cheaper at about €15/$20+VAT or so. Unfortunately I bought mine just before I became aware these are Bessey clamps ... so not savings for me.

Then they increased prices to €25+VAT again. I guess Bessey was "testing waters" if reduced prices can increase their volume. It probably did not, so they just went back to their original value-based pricing. Not happy about that one iota.


Besides that, today Made in China (Taiwan) or Made in P.R.C or made in R.O.C (Taiwan) or made in China (mainland) does not mean anything. There are companies in both places which make cutting edge stuff as well as those which make junk. Usually, if you do not have a crappy rep, you get what you pay for. Same as everywhere.
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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2021, 10:53 AM »
 [popcorn]

After hearing some of your replies confirming the move of Festool away from their own country, and seeing that the comparable Bessey unit is only slightly cheaper, I decided to just use the ones I got in. It won't be quite as enjoyable grabbing the non-German ones, but they do work the same. The quality was only part of my concern. Mostly I wanted to make sure I wasn't getting fraudulent product.

Thing is, I'm not happy any time a company goes overseas, at the potential neglect of their immediate community and their own country. I believe each manufacturer big and small needs to realise that every step they make away from manufacturing in their own country is a step away from keeping locals employed and local business supported.

So, glad for all the input, related or not to my question!

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2021, 11:19 AM »
@ChuckM   “The 14" DT clamps ($100 Cdn for 6) are from an old welder who recently retired... He didn't think the Bessey DT clamps could beat his Chinese clamps.”

Are you referring to some Chinese clamps that can be bought or some clamps the welder made?
If Chinese clamps do you know where to buy them?

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2021, 12:03 PM »
Michael,

They're made in China. Each weighs about 9.2 lbs, much heavier than similar ones from Bessey's (made in Germany) that I once used. So the extra weight may be a plus (thicker iron) or a negative (heavier to handle) depending on how one looks at it.

Google didn't find any Chinese sources for such F-style deep throat clamps.

Before this score, 5" is the deepest reach of clamps (made in Taiwan) that I've owned: https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/hand-tools/clamps/bar/31197-heavy-duty-deep-throat-fast-acting-clamps?item=03F0512
« Last Edit: March 22, 2021, 12:28 PM by ChuckM »

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2021, 01:28 PM »

Snip.
That said, moving production to a cheaper location AND keeping prices the same is not all that OK with me. But we will have to take this one with Bessey I am afraid.


As a consumer, I understand and concur with your sentiment. One Mercedes Benz model here is sold at a Honda's price...because it's made in Mexico. People aren't dumb to pay top dollars for just a German brand, but not made in Germany.

However, another way to look at it from the manufacturer's standpoint is competition. If it didn't move the production, it might not be able to keep the price, and would have to raise it.  So in that sense, it could argue that the price has been "lowered" by outsourcing.

I haven't looked into the Bridge City Tools/ Harvey pricing. I suppose a discount factor has been built into the pricing for goods now produced by Harvey. Here in Canada, you can get Made in Canada Roots, or Made in Asia ( China, Vietnam, Nepal, etc.) Roots products. They're fairly priced differently.



« Last Edit: March 22, 2021, 02:17 PM by ChuckM »

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2021, 03:26 PM »
Problem is companies don't give folks a choice to actually see how it would work out. If companies came out and had "the same" product and listed one as the "made in motherland" version, and or along with that "full featured", and then had the discount version and made clear it's made in other places, then people would be able to decide what they want.  Obviously this is hard, but some companies do this to various degrees.

New Balance has steadily ramped up making shoes in the US, they cost a bunch more, but folks buy them, they are willing to pay.
Companies like John Deere will sell you a real john deere at a John Deere dealer, and you will pay a ton. Or you can buy a "john deere" at home depot, it's cheap junk.

People generally are fine with paying more when they get what they want and they see where the money goes.  But the way most companies do it, they just botch the whole deal. When companies start doing cost cutting because they think folks want "cheap cheap cheap" it's when things go down hill.  When companies sell thru big box stores and such, this becomes a major issue. The retailers are the ones who force the drive downwards more than anyone else. Not the manufactures, not the buyers.

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2021, 04:07 PM »
Thing is, I'm not happy any time a company goes overseas, at the potential neglect of their immediate community and their own country. I believe each manufacturer big and small needs to realise that every step they make away from manufacturing in their own country is a step away from keeping locals employed and local business supported.

This thread/topic has gotten away from Festool.  What you write sounds good and makes sense, somewhat.  But consider this example.  Amazon today employs tens and tens of thousands of people in the USA.  Many tens of thousands of USA employees.  And Amazon sells lots of Chinese and Vietnamese and Thailand and Taiwan and Philippine stuff.  If they only sold USA made stuff, their sales would be miniscule.  And they would only employ a few hundred people at most.  Or less.  Maybe ten people in total.  So you would have tens and tens and tens of thousands of unemployed Amazon people without jobs if Amazon did not sell Chinese stuff.  Would unemployed Amazon employees support local businesses?

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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2021, 05:23 PM »
Maybe if people stopped buying substandard junk they don't need, no matter where it's made, more people could have the spending power required to support local businesses manufacturing locally and paying more than minimum wages for pick and pack warehouse operatives.  Amazon sucks the life out of local businesses, local economies and does more harm than good to the earning abilities of their average employees.  If people stopped buying Chinese junk and Amazon employed just 10 people, the world would be a better place.  More local employment, more ability for everyone to develop their skills and pursue meaningful work, rather than the nonsense that is spending your working life in a chain of warehouses handling something you have contributed NOTHING towards. 

At the end of the day, Amazon doesn't care about the average American worker, consumer or business.  As soon as they can automate the thing that's done by hand, they will.  They're not a great example of anything except rampant consumerism at its worst.
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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2021, 05:38 PM »
Maybe if people stopped buying substandard junk they don't need, no matter where it's made, more people could have the spending power required to support local businesses manufacturing locally and paying more than minimum wages for pick and pack warehouse operatives.  Amazon sucks the life out of local businesses, local economies and does more harm than good to the earning abilities of their average employees.  If people stopped buying Chinese junk and Amazon employed just 10 people, the world would be a better place.  More local employment, more ability for everyone to develop their skills and pursue meaningful work, rather than the nonsense that is spending your working life in a chain of warehouses handling something you have contributed NOTHING towards. 

At the end of the day, Amazon doesn't care about the average American worker, consumer or business.  As soon as they can automate the thing that's done by hand, they will.  They're not a great example of anything except rampant consumerism at its worst.

I'm with you. But it seems harder to do one's best to contribute to that when it's all willy-nilly not-sure where things are from.
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Re: Festool clamps now made in Vietnam?
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2021, 09:18 PM »
Maybe if people stopped buying substandard junk they don't need, no matter where it's made, more people could have the spending power required to support local businesses manufacturing locally and paying more than minimum wages for pick and pack warehouse operatives.  Amazon sucks the life out of local businesses, local economies and does more harm than good to the earning abilities of their average employees.  If people stopped buying Chinese junk and Amazon employed just 10 people, the world would be a better place.

Problem is you are heading down a false path. A myth of the free market and people choosing.  Folks don't have a choice. When companies all decided to make a shift, you end up with either you don't buy anything, or you buy something you don't like the option. Any product market, the companies in it generally move as one, if one company does something, the others react. Same with the retailers.

Rarely does a company make a bad move, and folks have a perfectly good option to shift to, with no draw backs.  Plus people don't generally know the shifts happened.

Consumer choice driving things just isn't real. As consumers rarely have much choice in things.