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Offline Kev

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Pronouncing KAPEX
« on: October 31, 2014, 04:37 AM »
Is that really how all of you Americans pronounce KAPEX ??

BTW, I still haven't forgiven you for torturing the name for Aluminium [mad] [big grin]

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2014, 05:16 PM »
Is that really how all of you Americans pronounce KAPEX ??

BTW, I still haven't forgiven you for torturing the name for Aluminium [mad] [big grin]

So, how do you all Down Under pronounce it?  I didn't know it was possible to pronounce Kapex another way.

On a side note, I ran into a girl from England at the local dog park.  She was laughing because the clerk at a convenience store did not understand her when she asked for a bottled water.  The English girl said that Americans say “wodder”, while Brits say “WAH-ta.”

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2014, 05:26 PM »
Is that really how all of you Americans pronounce KAPEX ??

BTW, I still haven't forgiven you for torturing the name for Aluminium [mad] [big grin]

So, how do you all Down Under pronounce it?  I didn't know it was possible to pronounce Kapex another way.

On a side note, I ran into a girl from England at the local dog park.  She was laughing because the clerk at a convenience store did not understand her when she asked for a bottled water.  The English girl said that Americans say “wodder”, while Brits say “WAH-ta.”


Yes, apart from A L U M I N I U M [sound it out boys and girls in NA  [smile] ], I could not make out what Kev was on about. Take away her accent and Kayleen basically pronounced KAPEX like most people I know.
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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2014, 05:55 PM »
Is that really how all of you Americans pronounce KAPEX ??

BTW, I still haven't forgiven you for torturing the name for Aluminium [mad] [big grin]

So, how do you all Down Under pronounce it?  I didn't know it was possible to pronounce Kapex another way.

On a side note, I ran into a girl from England at the local dog park.  She was laughing because the clerk at a convenience store did not understand her when she asked for a bottled water.  The English girl said that Americans say “wodder”, while Brits say “WAH-ta.”


Yes, apart from A L U M I N I U M [sound it out boys and girls in NA  [smile] ], I could not make out what Kev was on about. Take away her accent and Kayleen basically pronounced KAPEX like most people I know.

That pronunciation difference is easy to explain.  We spell aluminum without the second "i."    [wink]
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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2014, 06:05 PM »
My Father's side of the family is French. It was his first language.

I've long wondered if the Queen's subjects wished they were half French the way they spell... That is, if they can spell at all. The way they speak??? Can someone from Cornwall really converse with someone from SE London? What about a Scot?

The Dutch and Germans, and Scandinavians, and even southern Europeans that I've spoken with in English were much easier to understand than most of those I've met from the British Isles.

Incidentally, leaving out superfluous letters in words or superfluous words in speech is an efficiency move...

Oh! I just edited this to leave out superfluous letters...

Let's go with:

Incidentally, leaving out extra letters in words or extra words in speech is an efficiency move...


On the radio this morning, there was a report about a scientific discovery while gene sequencing large swaths of individuals from various countries and categorizing the results from country-to-country.

The researchers discovered that there was a common genetic trait that led to inhibition of serotonin in certain individuals. Serotonin is considered by many scientists to be responsible for "centered behavior" and mood. Lack thereof can attribute to mood swings, like grumpiness and crazy behavior in bars or football matches.

Further, they discovered that the Brits, as a population, had statistically more people who had a genetic predisposition to low serotonin than most countries. The one significant country that was more pronounced was France!

When I learned about this new research, I immediately told my wife that I wasn't responsible for occasionally being grumpy because it was in my genes. Furthermore, if I'm pleasant more than half the time, that means I'm overcoming genetics.


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Offline Rob Z

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2014, 07:12 PM »
Tom,  You like cooking with gas? haha 

I'm sure when our UK friends wake up tomorrow they are going to have a few comments for you.

I've talked with Alan from Scotland before, and I noticed he pronounced Kapex differently, but don't recall it now.   I don't think any of us can claim to know how it's said---it's a made-up word anyway, isn't it?

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2014, 07:35 PM »
Tom,  You like cooking with gas? haha 

I'm sure when our UK friends wake up tomorrow they are going to have a few comments for you.

I've talked with Alan from Scotland before, and I noticed he pronounced Kapex differently, but don't recall it now.   I don't think any of us can claim to know how it's said---it's a made-up word anyway, isn't it?


I'll always defer to the Germans for their pronunciations, Rob. Considering your background, I don't think you'd ask a Brit to pronounce a German word???

I always like to learn something and have a little fun every day. This might incite some of both... Actually, I've done both with this post. I had to learn a little to make it accurate and I thought it was fun because it was meant largely in jest...


Tom

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2014, 07:45 PM »
Tom, agreed!  I personally love accents and think they make things more interesting.  Of course, given that my family is from the Midwest, I have no accent...totally neutral !  It's everyone else who has an accent....

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2014, 07:59 PM »
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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2014, 08:15 PM »
Even tho my (then to be) wife had been in this country for seven years before I met her, she had lived mostly with German families.  There was no question but that she was true German.  Her English was not very good from where I stood.  And what little she had learned, she had learned from an English teacher (as in "the teacher came from England") that made her doubly undecipherable.

every now and then, she would be trying to tell me something and i had no clue what she was talking about.  I would ask her to repeat, which she did.  But, she would try to speak with a little clearer diction, which only made it worse.  I would ask her to repeat, but try with a little more relaxation.  Again, she was not speaking with any thing in her words that was even understandable in any way.  With each attempt, it would just get worse. 

Finally, i would tell her to just relax and say it in German.  "Don't try to talk slow, but just say it naturally."  I knew nothing about German as the spoken word, but I knew that English is a Germanic language, for whatever that meant.  Within seconds, I picked up a word or two and knew exactly what the subject she was trying to relate.  Once I knew what she was talking about, I could figure out all that she had been saying.

Of course, she tried to teach me a little German to make her life a little easier.  She taught me to say "ya" long before she taught me to say "nichte" or "nine", whatever the opposite of "ya" is. Big mistook. We have been married for nearly 50 years now.  We understand each other somewhat. ::)  Even now, tho, if she tries to read something to me, there is absolutely no way i can find a clue to what she is reading.
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Offline Kev

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2014, 08:15 PM »
Strange ... screw up a brochure and spell a word wrong across an entire continent for life ...

Take a perfectly simply word and pronounce an extra "y" in it ??

[huh]

I could understand if it was written KAPE-X, but no - so to me the "popular" US pronunciation doesn't work. I'm happy to be wrong and/or in the minority - but I'm not confused about it [wink]

I'd be really curious about how Americans would pronounce ZAPEX and FAPEX ... "zay pex" and "fay pex" ??

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2014, 08:19 PM »
The only way I've ever heard it pronounced here in the States is, "KAY-PEX ."

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2014, 10:38 PM »
Strange ... screw up a brochure and spell a word wrong across an entire continent for life ...

Take a perfectly simply word and pronounce an extra "y" in it ??

[huh]

I could understand if it was written KAPE-X, but no - so to me the "popular" US pronunciation doesn't work. I'm happy to be wrong and/or in the minority - but I'm not confused about it [wink]

I'd be really curious about how Americans would pronounce ZAPEX and FAPEX ... "zay pex" and "fay pex" ??



So Kev are you saying the A should be sounded not named? Ie. K. - APEX?



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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2014, 11:19 PM »
Seriously? 

Offline Kev

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2014, 11:21 PM »
Kayleen's very relevant to this thread ... not the least because of her name ...

Kaleen and Kayleen sound very different !

To be totally honest ... I'm just familiar with what I've heard in the past and my "real people" (yeh - you're all real people, I suppose I should say face to face) expose has been to a small set and it's been called a "cap x" not a "kay pecks".

When I think of other forms I'm familiar with "capex" comes to mind ... short for capital expenditure and I'm pretty certain that's universally pronounced with a "cap", not a "cape" sound. Plus the "cat" and "kat" sound are pronounced the same. I don't get it. [huh] [blink]


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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2014, 11:27 PM »
I could be persuaded to change my mind thinking about the SHINEX, etc ....

Shine "X"

Kape "X"

Carve "X"

... blimey it's hot and sticky here - I've got nothing better to do than ponder pronunciations and wait for beer o'clock - and I actually think it's way past beer o'clock already [big grin]


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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2014, 11:38 PM »
I could be persuaded to change my mind thinking about the SHINEX, etc ....

Shine "X"

Kape "X"

Carve "X"

... blimey it's hot and sticky here - I've got nothing better to do than ponder pronunciations and wait for beer o'clock - and I actually think it's way past beer o'clock already [big grin]

Kev, if you guys can't even drive on the right side of the road, how can you be expected to get a simple thing like pronunciation correct?

 [poke]

Actually the one that always gets me is the brand 'Ryobi'. Everyone in the US seems to pronounce it RYE-obi, while the rest of the world (correctly) pronounces it REE-obi. Drives me NUTS...

...but the wife says that's a short trip anyway. [tongue]
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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2014, 11:50 PM »

Kev, if you guys can't even drive on the right side of the road, how can you be expected to get a simple thing like pronunciation correct?

 [poke]

Actually the one that always gets me is the brand 'Ryobi'. Everyone in the US seems to pronounce it RYE-obi, while the rest of the world (correctly) pronounces it REE-obi. Drives me NUTS...

...but the wife says that's a short trip anyway. [tongue]

Don't blame me - blame Mother England [embarassed]

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2014, 02:46 AM »
Hey Kev

Does it take us yanks to teach you guys how to speak English?

Its pronounced Kay-pex.

Shine-X

Roe-tex

I think you ought to come to my BBQ and give us english lessons.

Ill provide the black board and chalk....



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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2014, 04:50 AM »
Interesting thread.

I've long wondered if the Queen's subjects wished they were half French the way they spell... T

Actually, England has been under French rule for quite some time. Essentially, since 1066, the battle of Hastings, the Normans from the French province of Normandy ruled for a couple of hundred years. They introduced French and it became the language of the upper class. Even later, under the Tudors like Henry VIII and Elisabeth I, while they were in constant war with France, French remained to be the language for the upper class, and if you didn't speak it, you were a nobody. This explains why there are so many French influences in English and they keep insisting on writing Liter as Litre.   

Incidentally, leaving out superfluous letters in words or superfluous words in speech is an efficiency move...

English sure becomes crazy when they keep writing "Gloucester" and pronounce it "Gloster", same with "Leicester" and "Lester".

I don't think any of us can claim to know how it's said---it's a made-up word anyway, isn't it?

There are always rules about how words are prononounced in a language. It is of course not set in stone, but if enough people use them they become the rule.

That way, Kapex should be pronounced KAY-pex in English. Only thing that makes sence.

Kev started this thread, but I haven't seen him say yet how Australians pronounce the word.

When I say "rules", they of course fly out of the window when the English are involved, see my above examples of Gloucester en Leicester.
 
The word Kapex is made up in Germany. The German pronounciation is simple, KAH-pex, with a long A. That particular A sound is not used in English, for us you pronounce the A more as we say the E. If people in other countries want to follow the German prononciation, they are free to do so, but generally people in other countries start to pronounce it in their own way because that suits their tongue and jaw muscles better.

By the way, that Aluminum thing is retarded, the whole world says the i in -ium, but I guess that's what you get when you try to say it with a mouth full of Freedom Fries.  [poke]

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Offline Kev

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2014, 05:22 AM »

Kev started this thread, but I haven't seen him say yet how Australians pronounce the word.


Australia is a mixed bean salad ... "cap x" is the way I say it and the way the few I interact with locally that talk about Festool products pronounce it.

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2014, 05:24 AM »
Hmmm..... [scratch chin]

Then there's "knife", "know", etc...   Why the "K"?

Dang Brits apparently decided that "ou" should be pronounced as "uh"....as in Neighbour, colour, etc... (We Americans did the right thing and just dropped the "u".

More British language failures: "GH" pronounced as "f"  (Laugh); calling the hood a bonnet, and the trunk as a shoe (boot).

Oh... and it is "EQUIPMENT", not "kit"!

Boy, this is fun!   [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2014, 05:26 AM »
I could be persuaded to change my mind thinking about the SHINEX, etc ....

Shine "X"

Kape "X"

Carve "X"

... blimey it's hot and sticky here - I've got nothing better to do than ponder pronunciations and wait for beer o'clock - and I actually think it's way past beer o'clock already [big grin]

I am sure that I am going to regret this but...

You cannot use the examples of Carvex and Shinex because they are derived from Carve and Shine which both naturally end with "e".

The Kapex name is derived from the German to cut and the key element if "Kap" (although purists might argue for the second "p").

You cannot make a name "Kapx" because it is too irregular and so, in order for the "x" sound to come through the "e" is added and is there to help the "x" sound not to allow the "a" to dominate.

Combining this you end up with "Kapex" which is "Kap" (as in cap on your head) and "ex" (as in an old flame).

There is nothing wrong with names being pronounced differently in different countries as long as we all make the effort to remember the regional differences and try not to take offense when we here a word invented in our own country being messed up by someone in another. In the case of Kapex I think we should all try and follow the German lead.

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2014, 05:36 AM »
Peter Peter, Peter.....

You Brits just have it all wrong! [big grin]

Example:

It's a "JOINTER/PLANER" not a "PLANER/THICKNESSER"!!   [poke] [poke] [doh]

hee hee, [big grin]

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2014, 06:35 AM »

Kev, if you guys can't even drive on the right side of the road, how can you be expected to get a simple thing like pronunciation correct?

 [poke]

Actually the one that always gets me is the brand 'Ryobi'. Everyone in the US seems to pronounce it RYE-obi, while the rest of the world (correctly) pronounces it REE-obi. Drives me NUTS...

...but the wife says that's a short trip anyway. [tongue]



We drive on the correct side of the road and it is/ was for a reason .
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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2014, 06:42 AM »
I could be persuaded to change my mind thinking about the SHINEX, etc ....

Shine "X"

Kape "X"

Carve "X"

... blimey it's hot and sticky here - I've got nothing better to do than ponder pronunciations and wait for beer o'clock - and I actually think it's way past beer o'clock already [big grin]

I am sure that I am going to regret this but...

You cannot use the examples of Carvex and Shinex because they are derived from Carve and Shine which both naturally end with "e".

The Kapex name is derived from the German to cut and the key element if "Kap" (although purists might argue for the second "p").

You cannot make a name "Kapx" because it is too irregular and so, in order for the "x" sound to come through the "e" is added and is there to help the "x" sound not to allow the "a" to dominate.

Combining this you end up with "Kapex" which is "Kap" (as in cap on your head) and "ex" (as in an old flame).

There is nothing wrong with names being pronounced differently in different countries as long as we all make the effort to remember the regional differences and try not to take offense when we here a word invented in our own country being messed up by someone in another. In the case of Kapex I think we should all try and follow the German lead.

Peter

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2014, 07:04 AM »
 [bite tongue] [bite tongue] [bite tongue] [bite tongue]  My god, how tempting is this to throw a social hand grenade in to fuel the fire.  Think i will sit this one out for the moment.

Oh Tom, we will be having words  ;)
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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2014, 07:24 AM »
Bonjour Pixel

Actually, if you watch my videos you will see that I do not pronounce Kapex correctly (a comes out as a rather sloppy "Kay - pex").

From now on I will ensure (to the best of my ability - ie limited by my grey matter) that I say "Kap - ex" just like the Germans who invented the word.

I did go to a grammar school but being dyslexic it did not do me much good.

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2014, 07:37 AM »
Bonjour Pixel

Actually, if you watch my videos you will see that I do not pronounce Kapex correctly (a comes out as a rather sloppy "Kay - pex").

From now on I will ensure (to the best of my ability - ie limited by my grey matter) that I say "Kap - ex" just like the Germans who invented the word.

I did go to a grammar school but being dyslexic it did not do me much good.

Peter

PS for the NA guys, grey matter = gray matter

As a Yorkshireman you can well imagine what my pronunciation of Kapex sounds like, sort of kayrpecks but worse

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Re: Pronouncing KAPEX
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2014, 07:40 AM »
that I say "Kap - ex" just like the Germans who invented the word.

They don't say that, they say "Ka-pex", that's how the syllables are. The a sound comes closest to the a in the exclamation "Aha!" in English.