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Offline kifi

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OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« on: November 14, 2022, 03:10 PM »
Hi All

I am researching whether or not to invest in an OF2200 after recently trying to edge profile some 45mm solid ash with my OF1010 which didn't go that smoothly.

From researching posts here, it seems that most recommend getting the accessory set with it but I am not sure why this is so. It appears to mostly contain copy rings. My workflow tends to use bearing guided bits.

Does lack of bearing guided 12mm shank cutters influence the decision to buy the accessory systainer too ? Are there other reasons too?

Thanks

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Offline luvmytoolz

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2022, 03:25 PM »
Firstly let me just say the OF2200 is the best router ever made IMHO. You would not regret buying it, it really is just a beautiful piece of engineering and a sheer joy to use! The power, smoothness, and control of it is astounding.

The kit while expensive as all things Festool are, actually has some really useful components. The micro adjustable fence for starters, the large support base, and the base for using with the guiderail are all extremely handy. Plus it does come with a number of template guide rings.

For me the guiderail base and the template rings are something I would use often, and as the individual cost is so high, it made sense to just get the set. A couple of the bases I may never end up using, but they're there if needed, and the set as a whole is very useful.

I guess you'd want to ask yourself if you'd possibly be doing a lot of template work, inlays, etc where the template guide rings would be useful. Or if you'd be using the fence or guiderail to machine dado's, or use ogee cutters to groove panels, make backing boards, etc.

If you're only ever really going to use a narrow selection of bearing cutters, you may not need the set, but once you start branching out a bit it is really handy to have the set on hand.

Offline kifi

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2022, 03:42 PM »
thanks, I had forgotten about the edge guide and guide rail adaptor. I guess having is better than needing! Might go for the full set. Looking at Festool catalog I wonder why they offer few if any bearing guided cutters? (I know third parties probably offer more than you'd ever want, but Festool doesn't see a 12mm bearing guided bit as a core use for the OF2200 for some reason.)

Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2022, 08:29 PM »
Quarter-inch routers such as the OF1010 are perfectly suited to edge profiling with bearing-guided cutters - it’s probably one of the most everyday, common applications for this size of machine. I can’t figure out what could possibly have gone wrong - other than running the router in the wrong direction and having it grab and bounce off the workpiece.

What kind of profile were you routing, and what was the problem exactly? Could you post a photo?

And btw - being from Ireland, you have access to the range of Trend cutters which is absolutely massive, including a huge array of bearing-guided cutters. The shank sizes aren’t 12mm - they’re 12.7mm and 6.35mm - the metric equivalent of 1/2” and 1/4” which are standard UK collet sizes.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2022, 06:29 AM by woodbutcherbower »

Offline luvmytoolz

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2022, 08:46 PM »
thanks, I had forgotten about the edge guide and guide rail adaptor. I guess having is better than needing! Might go for the full set. Looking at Festool catalog I wonder why they offer few if any bearing guided cutters? (I know third parties probably offer more than you'd ever want, but Festool doesn't see a 12mm bearing guided bit as a core use for the OF2200 for some reason.)

Honestly as much as I love Festool gear, router bits would be the last thing I would be buying off them!

Offline Oilers

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2022, 09:51 PM »
I bought the set.   

When you do, make sure you pick the right package.  I mistakenly ordered imperial when I wanted metric. 

The alternate bases are excellent and are so easy to use. 

Offline kifi

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2022, 04:00 PM »
Quarter-inch routers such as the OF1010 are perfectly suited to edge profiling with bearing-guided cutters - it’s probably one of the most everyday, common applications for this size of machine. I can’t figure out what could possibly have gone wrong - other than running the router in the wrong direction and having it grab and bounce off the workpiece.

What kind of profile were you routing, and what was the problem exactly? Could you post a photo?

And btw - being from Ireland, you have access to the range of Trend cutters which is absolutely massive, including a huge array of bearing-guided cutters. The shank sizes aren’t 12mm - they’re 12.7mm and 6.35mm - the metric equivalent of 1/2” and 1/4” which are standard UK collet sizes.

It was just a floating shelf from solid ash. I'll check out the Trend line. Maybe Wealden Tools too.

Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2022, 04:57 PM »

It was just a floating shelf from solid ash.


But what was the problem? What went wrong?

Offline kifi

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2022, 05:55 PM »
It was taking too long

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2022, 06:28 PM »
Regarding the original question, when I finally get around and buy a 2200 I will by the accessory kit.  Why?  Honestly because at some time the 2200 will go away and then I will find a need for something in that kit and kick myself in the arse time and time again.

Peter

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2022, 06:38 PM »
Regarding the original question, when I finally get around and buy a 2200 I will by the accessory kit.  Why?  Honestly because at some time the 2200 will go away and then I will find a need for something in that kit and kick myself in the arse time and time again.

Peter

As dumb as it sounds, I'm thinking the same thing. That is quite an expensive tool to buy "just because", but honestly the thing holding me back is the plug-it cable.....lack of actually.
I really like the simple disconnect feature.
Practicality is also becoming more of a thing too. With retirement coming, my need for heavier-duty may not be there. I have gotten along with the OF1400 and big Triton router in the table, for a long time, and see no reason that they can't continue to do what I need.
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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2022, 06:44 PM »
@Crazyraceguy , funny that you wrote that.  I haven't really mentioned it but I have now basically retired.  I have been working on and off trying to adjust to working out of space I never had before and consolidating tools all in one place while doing the various honey-dos.

I almost waited too long on the Vac-Sys and the 2200 is one of those legacy tools that rarely do you hear a bad thing about it after the credit card bill comes in.

Just do it!

Peter

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2022, 06:52 PM »
I'm about 8 months from it, if all goes according to plan. Most of the things I will be working on, at least initially, will be the shop furniture. Then the plan is to finally remodel my own kitchen. Over the years, I have updated the rest of the house, saving the kitchen for last.
It would be easier to do it now, but I really want to do it right here at home.
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Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2022, 12:22 PM »
Regarding the original question, when I finally get around and buy a 2200 I will by the accessory kit.  Why?  Honestly because at some time the 2200 will go away and then I will find a need for something in that kit and kick myself in the arse time and time again.

Peter

@Peter Halle @Crazyraceguy the OF2200 + accessory kit is the single most expensive power tool I ever bought, even making some of my Hilti equipment look bargain-basement. For the class of tool though, it's also the best - miles ahead of the game in every possible way. Apart from the additional quick-change bases and numerous guide bush (copy) rings, the micro-adjustable parallel fence is superbly well engineered, and this also has a separate clip-in dust port allowing an extractor hose to suck from underneath for edge routing. Those Germans are so, so clever. The guide rail adaptor also works exceptionally well.

I may well be wrong, but I heard (somewhere?) that the current draw of the router at maximum full-bore load exceeds the rated current capacity of a Plug-It connector. The captive power cord's the size of a small fire hose.

HUGELY recommended.
Kevin
« Last Edit: November 17, 2022, 05:21 PM by woodbutcherbower »

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2022, 12:27 PM »
Regarding the original question, when I finally get around and buy a 2200 I will by the accessory kit.  Why?  Honestly because at some time the 2200 will go away and then I will find a need for something in that kit and kick myself in the arse time and time again.

Peter

As dumb as it sounds, I'm thinking the same thing. That is quite an expensive tool to buy "just because", but honestly the thing holding me back is the plug-it cable.....lack of actually.
I really like the simple disconnect feature.
Practicality is also becoming more of a thing too. With retirement coming, my need for heavier-duty may not be there. I have gotten along with the OF1400 and big Triton router in the table, for a long time, and see no reason that they can't continue to do what I need.

@Crazyraceguy FWIW I had the 2200 and accessory kit and sold it. It didn't do anything for me that the 1400 couldn't. I think I fell into the trap of "It's Festool so I should probably own it" and also the other trap of "It has superb power and dust collection." While the first trap I'll leave to the collectors the second one just didn't fit for me. I have never found a situation where I thought I needed more power out of my 1400. And I had it in the CMS table for a while doing double duty as my router table motor.

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2022, 05:23 PM »

I may well be wrong, but I heard (somewhere?) that the current draw of the router at maximum full-bore load exceeds the rated current capacity of a Plug-It connector. The captive cable's the size of a small fire hose.

HUGELY recommended.
Kevin

I have heard that too. It does seem to make sense. Could it also be a side effect of age? How long has the OF2200 been around? Is the design from before the Plug-it existed? That the reason for the lack of Plug-it on the RAS115, from what I have been told anyway.
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Offline luvmytoolz

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2022, 05:40 PM »

I may well be wrong, but I heard (somewhere?) that the current draw of the router at maximum full-bore load exceeds the rated current capacity of a Plug-It connector. The captive cable's the size of a small fire hose.

HUGELY recommended.
Kevin

I have heard that too. It does seem to make sense. Could it also be a side effect of age? How long has the OF2200 been around? Is the design from before the Plug-it existed? That the reason for the lack of Plug-it on the RAS115, from what I have been told anyway.

The 2200 is not that old a router so i don't think it's an age thing although I could be wrong, I think it's just the same as for the planer and belt sander being fairly high powered tools. Having a fixed cord on all three of those tools has never bugged or inconveienced me in the slightest. If I had a need to plug it with multiple other tools into the dusty, I'd just use a powerboard.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2022, 05:47 PM »
It's not really about the cord while "in use". As lazy as it sounds, the annoying part of the RAS115 not having a Plug-it, is winding it up when I put it away.
I keep a Plug-it connected to both CTs and disconnect whatever tool was being used, leaving the cord hanging, with the hose.
CSX
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TS55, FS1080, FS1400 holey, FS1900, FS3000
CT26E + Workshop cleaning set
RO90
RO125
ETS EC 125
RAS115
ETS 125 (2)
TS75
Shaper Origin/Workstation/Plate
MFT clamps set
Installers set
Centrotech organizer set
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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2022, 05:55 PM »

I may well be wrong, but I heard (somewhere?) that the current draw of the router at maximum full-bore load exceeds the rated current capacity of a Plug-It connector. The captive cable's the size of a small fire hose.

HUGELY recommended.
Kevin


I have heard that too. It does seem to make sense. Could it also be a side effect of age? How long has the OF2200 been around? Is the design from before the Plug-it existed? That the reason for the lack of Plug-it on the RAS115, from what I have been told anyway.

When the 2200 came out and questions were asked about 1.  It being available without a Systainer, and 2. Not having a plug-it cord, the answer was that Festool thought that it would be mainly used in a shop situation and would be unlikely to be put away.  Thus the permanent cord and just a cardboard box if desired (the setup with a Systainer was also available.)

It came out in the 2008-2009 time period I believe.  Plug-it cords were already in use then.

Peter
« Last Edit: November 17, 2022, 05:57 PM by Peter Halle »

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2022, 06:47 PM »
I'm very much in a shop situation, but I still put things away.
With the minor exceptions of a dead-blow mallet and a narrow-crown stapler, everything has a specific place and goes there every night. I very much appreciate the Systainer concept and wish other tool manufacturers would get it together.
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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2022, 12:22 AM »

When the 2200 came out and questions were asked about 1.  It being available without a Systainer, and 2. Not having a plug-it cord, the answer was that Festool thought that it would be mainly used in a shop situation and would be unlikely to be put away.  Thus the permanent cord and just a cardboard box if desired (the setup with a Systainer was also available.)

It came out in the 2008-2009 time period I believe.  Plug-it cords were already in use then.

Peter

My 2200 came in a Systainer made for it. Not quite sure what the talk is a obout it not having a Systainer. The lack of a plug-it cord is a non-issue. I have never understood why people get worked up about plug-it. Festool is the only company I know of that using plug-it and it's good, but nothing that stopped me from buying other company's tools.

Offline luvmytoolz

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2022, 01:53 AM »
Mine also came in a systainer as they all do now I believe, it's worth mentioning though that the power cable is far thicker than the plug-it cables, so maybe it's a combination of factors and/or a physical size or strain limitation of a plug-it cable?

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2022, 09:20 AM »
All this 2200 chatter got me curious, so this is very interesting.

An OF 2000 router in 2007 in a cardboard box was $430.

An OF 2200 router in 2008 in a Systainer cost $800.




Offline squall_line

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2022, 10:22 AM »
I saw an OF 2000 E come up on eBay recently and did some research to see if it was worth getting for my CMS.

The posts I found here on the FOG (through a Google search) kept me from bothering to bid.

The 2000e and the 2200 are significantly different from each other in features, especially dust collection and through-table adjustment.

The 2000e on clearance was cheaper than both the 1010 and 1400 at the time.  [blink]

The 2000e on Recon was only 200 bucks.  [eek]

The 2000e I found on eBay was listed apparently using the 2200 as a price reference, even though it was never priced in the same category as the 2200.

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2022, 10:59 AM »
I’ve got an OF2000. I believe it was made by Mafell for Festool based (I believe) on the old tried and true ELU design. It is a beast but not as refined as the 2200.  [tongue]

As I recall I picked it up from the recon sale for $200 in its custom cardboard box.  [tongue]

Ron
« Last Edit: November 18, 2022, 01:30 PM by rvieceli »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2022, 01:23 PM »
It might have come from Holzer. The MFK 700 is nearly identical to the old Holzer edge trimmer. I think I read somewhere that Holzer made routers for both Festool and Mafell. When Festool bought the Holzer portable power tool factory around 2001 they inherited the belt sanders and who knows what else. Maybe the OF 2000 as well?

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2022, 03:46 PM »
FWIW I had the 2200 and accessory kit and sold it. It didn't do anything for me that the 1400 couldn't. I think I fell into the trap of "It's Festool so I should probably own it" and also the other trap of "It has superb power and dust collection." While the first trap I'll leave to the collectors the second one just didn't fit for me. I have never found a situation where I thought I needed more power out of my 1400. And I had it in the CMS table for a while doing double duty as my router table motor.

Matt
IMO your "problem" here was being US-based /limited 8mm cutter availability/ and having the OF1400 which is kinda "duplicit" with the OF2200.

The ideal hobbyist combo - to me - is OF1010 + OF2200 for those 10% tasks where the OF1010 does not cut it.
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Offline kifi

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2022, 03:56 PM »
Not really specific to the OF2200 , but is an accessory to it and the OF1010 / 1400 but has anyone bought the expensive plexiglass OF-FH ? Useful for routing on edge of doors for mortise locks and hinges but cost a lot for what it is

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2022, 05:14 PM »
Not really specific to the OF2200 , but is an accessory to it and the OF1010 / 1400 but has anyone bought the expensive plexiglass OF-FH ? Useful for routing on edge of doors for mortise locks and hinges but cost a lot for what it is

There are entire threads dedicated to that particular accessory.  I only have one because I found it listed for cheap and it's compatible with all three plunge router models so I figured why not.

Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: OF2200 Question - why get the accessory set ?
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2022, 06:49 PM »
Most of the talk about that has been about making one rather than buying it.
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PS420 + Base kit
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TS55, FS1080, FS1400 holey, FS1900, FS3000
CT26E + Workshop cleaning set
RO90
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ETS EC 125
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ETS 125 (2)
TS75
Shaper Origin/Workstation/Plate
MFT clamps set
Installers set
Centrotech organizer set
Socket/Ratchet set