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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2021, 09:22 PM »
5x5 BB isn't 5x5 it's just extremely close, and thus like anything else, places call it that, same as them falsely listing it as 1/2" or 3/4" thick.

3m is common for stuff here.  Pipe comes in 10ft.  Not sure how exact it is to either dimension.

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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2021, 01:00 AM »


Incidentally - what happened to the OP and his OF1010 rumour (rumor) ?????

Probably hoping for more discussion / info on the router rather than the metric system vs. all other measurement systems.  ::)

  Then again maybe it is just a rumour?  [huh]

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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2021, 02:47 AM »
Almost everything made from wood in the UK is bought in direct metric conversions from older imperial standards. Sheet goods are 2400 x 1200 (8’ x 4’). Doors come in a bunch of standard sizes - 1981 x 762 (6’6” x 2’6”), 1981 x 838 (6’6” x 2’9”) and so on.

Almost all timber/ lumber is supplied in a range of standard lengths, from 2400 (8’) to 5400 (18’).

OF1010 - I bought one and just couldn’t get on with it. Main reason was that the parallel fence sits at 90 degrees to the handle - so when routing hinge rebates on in-situ door frames using the fence to set the rear rebate edge, you can’t get the router anywhere near the frame head before the handle, extractor hose and power cord all hit it. If you reverse the fence and rout from the other edge of the frame, everything just hits the floor instead. An aspect of use which I guess doesn’t apply to 99% of 1010 users out there. It’s a shame as I loved everything else about it - especially the extraction which was stunningly good. I bought a conventional 2-handled Makita RP1100 instead, and it’s a super little machine.

You see? Back on topic  [smile]
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Offline Alex

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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2021, 09:05 AM »
I didn't like the OF1010 much either. I had bought a used one in a lot, and compared it to my old DeWalt DW613 router, and I didn't see any benefit in keeping the 1010. The long handle didn't feel very comfortable to me, I prefer the control I get with the plain old two knobs on the side of my DW better.

Funny thing, the 5 year old 1010 had very rusty columns, my 24 year old DW still doesn't have a spec on it.

Sold the OF1010 for €275, while I could have gotten maybe 50 for the DW.

Sheet goods are in converted imperial measurements too here, that's why we have to calculate with dumb sizes like 2440 x 1220 mm.

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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2021, 10:37 AM »
Why oh why do they use flat-blade screws for the bushings? Although I am not a fan of Torx screws either, they are better than flat.

I believe it's to reduce the amount of torque that can be applied to the screws. There have been issues with the tapped holes in the router base stripping out and Helicoils needing to be installed.

Similar to slotted screws being used in the rail joiners, less torque to prevent denting of the rails.

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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2021, 01:24 PM »
Why oh why do they use flat-blade screws for the bushings? Although I am not a fan of Torx screws either, they are better than flat.

I believe it's to reduce the amount of torque that can be applied to the screws. There have been issues with the tapped holes in the router base stripping out and Helicoils needing to be installed.

Similar to slotted screws being used in the rail joiners, less torque to prevent denting of the rails.

I would have guessed that it was done to eliminate the use of screw guns.  You don't see many people using screw guns on slotted heads.

I see that the 1010's predecessor was discontinued too.  This might mean an improved version is on its way.

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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2021, 05:33 PM »
Yeah mino, The sheet goods sizes here are actually oversized too, usually 1" each way.
49 x 97
61 x 97

49 x 145
61 x 145
Plus we can get sheets intended for counter tops that are 25 x 145
Particle board, Melamine, MDF etc are all like that, except for Plywood? I don't really know why though?

I have always wondered about the 5 x 5 sheets though? I just assumed that there was some reason, like maybe something as simple as the machines it is made on? or the application it was intended to be used for?
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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2021, 05:46 PM »
Sheet goods are in converted imperial measurements too here, that's why we have to calculate with dumb sizes like 2440 x 1220 mm.

Not everything. I can't think of what the 400x2000 gypsum boards are supposed to be in imperial?

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« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2021, 06:03 PM »

I would have guessed that it was done to eliminate the use of screw guns.  You don't see many people using screw guns on slotted heads.

I see that the 1010's predecessor was discontinued too.  This might mean an improved version is on its way.

https://wood.tools4.co.za/product/router-of-1010-ebq-plus-za/

That makes sense, to some degree anyway. That is just not a thing I would use a powered driver for in the first place though. I have a dedicated hand driver in the systainer for it, something Festool maybe should have done? T-10 IIRC? But then I have to get out the regular slotted driver too. They usually provide the tools needed to adjust things, hex keys, collet wrenches, etc
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Offline jcrowe1950

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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2021, 08:54 PM »

3/8" bits are really only available as solid carbide spiral or compression profiles, usually CNC applications. Most hand held routers need an adapter bushing to use them. I don't recall ever seeing a steel shank/brazed carbide 3/8" shank bit?


Milwaukee has always offered 3/8" collets as an option for their routers, that goes back at least 25+ years. It was always looked upon as an oddball item but I've noticed that recently Whiteside, Vortex & Amana are now offering a larger selection of 3/8" router bits. I don't know the reasoning behind it, it could be because of the proliferation of small CNC table top routers?

Hi Cheese, et al,

    I have 3/8" collets for both my Bosch 1617 and my Festool 1400.  Like somebody else mentioned, it's useful for 3/8" solid carbide bits, which in my case are ideal for creating mortises in 1" to 1 1/4" stock. FWIW, that's one application that sold me on the OF 1400.....it's head and shoulders above the Bosch for that purpose.

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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2021, 11:46 PM »
Sheet goods are in converted imperial measurements too here, that's why we have to calculate with dumb sizes like 2440 x 1220 mm.

Not everything. I can't think of what the 400x2000 gypsum boards are supposed to be in imperial?

We used to have 16" tall (400mm) drywall in the very early days of it, when it was a replacement for wooden lathe and then plastered over it. I don't think it was around very long  1940s-1950s.  Everything went to 4x8, 4x10, etc  blueboard and drywall.

One oddball we have is backerboard for tile, that is 3x5.  How they came to those dimensions I do not know.  A standard bathtub is 60" long and 32" wide.  So 4 sheets works well for prepping an alcove with just having to cut 2 sheets in half.  Not sure how close to 3x5 the stuff actually is.

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« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2021, 11:55 PM »
We used to have 16" tall (400mm) drywall in the very early days of it, when it was a replacement for wooden lathe and then plastered over it. I don't think it was around very long  1940s-1950s.

We have a ton of that stuff in our house that was built in 1952. Works great on vertical surfaces but on horizontal surfaces you sometimes see a plaster crack every 16” after 70 years of gravity and vibration doing her thing.

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« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2021, 01:44 AM »
Sheet goods are in converted imperial measurements too here, that's why we have to calculate with dumb sizes like 2440 x 1220 mm.

Not everything. I can't think of what the 400x2000 gypsum boards are supposed to be in imperial?

Was talking about wood etc, all imported and regulated by the international market. Gypsum is produced locally in Europe.

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« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2021, 03:28 AM »
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I have always wondered about the 5 x 5 sheets though? I just assumed that there was some reason, like maybe something as simple as the machines it is made on? or the application it was intended to be used for?
Thinking around, I now believe it would have to do with the wood type.
Birch is very twisty and in general is pretty small diameter. Making more than 5' size strips could have been too difficult and so eventually the size stuck as a standard. There was also no point "cutting to size" from such a small max size, so the symmetrical 5x5 was used with same length strips in both directions.

Never seen birch panels that would be have full-length birch strips longer than on the 1525 mm standard sheets.

Even the birch-laminated poplar core panels for veneering are in 1250 x 2500, but with the doubled birch layers always across, never length-wise.
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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2021, 12:51 PM »
We used to have 16" tall (400mm) drywall in the very early days of it, when it was a replacement for wooden lathe and then plastered over it. I don't think it was around very long  1940s-1950s.

We have a ton of that stuff in our house that was built in 1952. Works great on vertical surfaces but on horizontal surfaces you sometimes see a plaster crack every 16” after 70 years of gravity and vibration doing her thing.

I live outside of Baltimore in a house built in 1942.  It has what is called wallboard, long narrow strips of drywall with 1/4 inch of browncoat (like stucco browncoat) covered with varying amounts of plaster to look flat. No cracks yet, but boy is it hard. I suspect the browncoat is fireproof. We have to use carbide tools. Just to cut 3 inch holes for pot lights I had to use a carbide hole cutter.

A normal ceiling hole cutter you can buy was ground down to a nub. 

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« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2021, 01:02 PM »
I suspect the browncoat is fireproof


I suspect you should be wearing a mask and goggles when cutting this stuff.  Who knows what it is made of.

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Re: OF1010 rumor
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2021, 05:11 PM »
Sheet goods are in converted imperial measurements too here, that's why we have to calculate with dumb sizes like 2440 x 1220 mm.

Not everything. I can't think of what the 400x2000 gypsum boards are supposed to be in imperial?


We used to have 16" tall (400mm) drywall in the very early days of it, when it was a replacement for wooden lathe and then plastered over it. I don't think it was around very long  1940s-1950s.  Everything went to 4x8, 4x10, etc  blueboard and drywall.

One oddball we have is backerboard for tile, that is 3x5.  How they came to those dimensions I do not know.  A standard bathtub is 60" long and 32" wide.  So 4 sheets works well for prepping an alcove with just having to cut 2 sheets in half.  Not sure how close to 3x5 the stuff actually is.


My house was built in 1929 and it used to have that, until a I did a major remodel in 2006. It was printed in the back with a logo that called it "Rock Lath". It is still there in the bedrooms upstairs, because nothing really changed in them. So many other walls were changed or moved that it was just easier to strip it all out , rather than try to patch back into it. Mine was hung with a gap between the strips to act as a key, like the wood lath does in a purely plaster wall.
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ETS 125 (2)
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