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Offline hemlock

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New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« on: February 28, 2020, 08:02 PM »
I spoke to a vendor today about ordering the Festool vac-sys clamping system and they hinted that there may be an upgrade coming April 1st. They suggested I wait to see before I ordered.  Anyone heard anything regarding this?   I think they were confused about the vac-sys versus new vacuums (dust extractors).  But I just wanted to see if anyone has any intel that there may be an upgrade to the clamping system in the works. 

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2020, 08:46 PM »
Perhaps a new plate adapter for the new mobile sawing table in a kit.  [eek]

More cups, more flexible hoses, hand detend instead of the pedal?
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Offline hemlock

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2020, 09:00 PM »
Interesting list of upgrades/needs... [big grin]

I think I have my answer based on only one response with 325 views  [big grin] and my following of 2020 upgrade/new tool threads, it sounds like the vac-sys will remain the same for now....so the question is, should I order the basic set or the set with 2 clamping units...[unsure]

Advice welcome...

Offline bigshaw929

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2020, 10:45 PM »
I think it comes down to what you normally work with. I have the single set up. While I love it. There have only been a handful of times I wished I’d have the second. I don’t do a lot of cabinetry or large projects though.


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Online Cheese

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2020, 09:33 AM »
It really depends upon what you do. I've used a single cup on 8" wide stock up to about 8' long. The nice thing about using a single cup is the rotate function. Doors or long cabinet tops would require 2 cups.

The thing is pretty bomb proof, I've never heard anyone have an issue or complain about it except for the cost of the MFT adapter.

Here's a shot of a single cup being used on a 48" x 30" ply cabinet side. First used to place Dominos in the edge and then used with the rotate function to sand the top surface.




Offline hemlock

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2020, 11:13 AM »
Thanks for good insights. I was thinking one would be adequate for my needs (primarily cabinets, vanities and some bulit-in shelving/cabinets...dominos, edgebanding, sanding, possibly glue up); but I wondered about the need for 2 units though as some of those projects can get fairly tall/long. The photos were helpful @Cheese allaying that concern. Thank you.  I saw some reviews demonstrating that one could hold a larger (8') board but holding it and working on it are two different things   [smile].  Very helpful.

Plus its only a $40 difference if I need a second at some point down the road. So I think I'll go with one.  Any thoughts on the usefulness of the smaller heads?  I expect I'll need one of the smaller ones but not sure the set of 3 is needed.  Need would be dominoing and/or sanding smaller boards.  I don't see using this for holding/making stiles and rails for cabinet doors, am I wrong?  Though, I guess if I dominoed them instead of routed tongue and groove....

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2020, 11:20 AM »
Small cups are for narrow pieces. If you always work with bigger boards then 8" x 8", the large cup is all you need. But if you work with narrow pieces you may look at the smaller cups.

I first bought the single unit. A few months later I had need for the second unit. Found the system just too good, so I bought all the missing cups  [big grin]
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Online Cheese

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2020, 11:42 AM »
Like Mario, I also purchased the optional cups. They've come in real handy, I've used all the sizes so far.

I only purchased 1 head but it's just a matter of time before I purchase the 2nd head since they've been reduced in price.  [smile]

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2020, 11:59 AM »
@hemlock  This doesn't answer your original question, but I thought this might be helpful.  Here's a way to fabricate an inexpensive hanger board to mount the VAC SYS head to the MFT.

https://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?pretty;board=festool-tools-accessories;topic=sys-vac-question.msg456461#msg456880

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Offline Shane Holland

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2020, 12:04 PM »
Festool USA has not communicated any changes coming for the Vac-Sys. In fact, the prices are going up on April 1st, so I would recommend that you order before then.

If there was a change coming, we would have likely already seen it in Europe.
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Offline hemlock

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2020, 01:27 PM »
@mike_aa thanks for the mount link. 

@Shane Holland thanks for weighing on no upgrades to the vac-sys.  Appreciate that. On price increase it looks like only the pump is set to increase.  Kits are staying the same it looks like...or will the pump increase be passed on to the kits too?  Did I miss something on your web page?

I'm now leaning the one head set with the optional cups....

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2020, 02:46 PM »
Like Mario, I also purchased the optional cups. They've come in real handy, I've used all the sizes so far.

I only purchased 1 head but it's just a matter of time before I purchase the 2nd head since they've been reduced in price.  [smile]

What did I miss?

Online Cheese

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2020, 03:13 PM »
What did I miss?

The 201065 unit was originally $565, then about 12-18 months ago the price dropped to $425. At that point the optional 2nd head went from #1 on my list to #5.  [big grin]

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2020, 03:19 PM »
What did I miss?

The 201065 unit was originally $565, then about 12-18 months ago the price dropped to $425. At that point the optional 2nd head went from #1 on my list to #5[big grin]

Or vice versa?

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2020, 07:30 PM »
Apologies, it's just the pump going up in price. I remembered seeing all of the Vac-Sys items on the price increase spreadsheet from FUSA, but it included items that weren't going up.
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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2020, 08:49 PM »
I have the full set. There are times 2 heads are necessary in my work.

Another thing to keep in mind is you can make a spoil board and risers to hold odd items. The spoil board is simply a piece larger than the head with [a] hole(s) drilled in it. Place the spoil board on the cup, set the next -icee on the spoil board. Risers are simply spacers with holes in them.

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Offline jjowen

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2020, 04:53 PM »
Darn, darn, darn (translated from the original language). After reading this and linked posts, I am heading off to buy a Vac-Sys. So much for no-new-tools-2020.

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2020, 06:06 PM »
Darn, darn, darn (translated from the original language). After reading this and linked posts, I am heading off to buy a Vac-Sys. So much for no-new-tools-2020.

Hahahaha! That's why I need to stop reading these posts!   [eek]

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Offline PeterK

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2020, 06:16 PM »
Oh yea! I have been trying to figure out a useful clamping system to use as I don’t have room for a real work bench. Then this darn thread started up! It really seems the vac-sys is ideal. And like jjowen I planned no purchases this year.
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Offline RNEMTP

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2020, 06:23 PM »
I bought the 2 head set with the extra cups. I'm really glad I did. I also made the mounting boards that are linked on here. I have both on the front of my MFT and off the end of my CMS-VL. Makes for a very nice little work station.

Offline magellan

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2020, 09:15 PM »
I agree with you fellows about saying I have everything I need.  Well almost.  I’ve been wanting this system for years and I’m really tempted to pull the trigger before April.   This is one item you don’t see often in the classified section.   Every now and then one will come up but it’s gone in minutes.   

Good thread, how much money is going to be spent just from this one post being started

Thanks for the info.

Offline denovo

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2020, 09:51 PM »
If you work on anything over 36” long then it’s worthwhile getting the two head set.  The second head makes working on the larger pieces far more stable.  You can also get a second foot peddle and work on two pieces at the same time with two heads.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2020, 10:47 PM »
I'll just leave this here for all the new vac sys owners

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/vac-sys-mobile-cart/
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Offline Gregor

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2020, 04:19 AM »
One thing to keep in mind is that a pump lacking a logo of certain green can be had for quite a lot less, the 110V one in the US isn't in a systainer anyway...

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2020, 09:15 AM »
One thing to keep in mind is that a pump lacking a logo of certain green can be had for quite a lot less, the 110V one in the US isn't in a systainer anyway...

Here's a Milwaukee vacuum pump made by Gast that came off of a Milwaukee Vac-U-Rig diamond core drill. I just ordered some spare Festool parts and changed it over to use with the VAC SYS. This pump saved me $850.

Others here have adapted vacuum pumps from other items.




Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2020, 02:35 PM »
It really depends upon what you do. I've used a single cup on 8" wide stock up to about 8' long. The nice thing about using a single cup is the rotate function. Doors or long cabinet tops would require 2 cups.

The thing is pretty bomb proof, I've never heard anyone have an issue or complain about it except for the cost of the MFT adapter.

Here's a shot of a single cup being used on a 48" x 30" ply cabinet side. First used to place Dominos in the edge and then used with the rotate function to sand the top surface.

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So like a total duffus I had to make a cabinet recently using dominos and LR32. Grabbed my collection of 80/20 extensions and cobbled together an extension to my work cart and proceeded to clamp/flip/rotate/clamp and merrily bore holes for an hour or so.

Never occurred to me to slide my vac-sys over and use it... duffus...

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Offline jjowen

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Re: New Vac-Sys Clamping system for 2020?
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2020, 04:47 PM »
I'll just leave this here for all the new vac sys owners

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/vac-sys-mobile-cart/

Thanks for the link! I remembered your very neat cart and was thinking to look up the post again. I have grabbed a couple of the photos 'for inspiration'.

Mounting a head unit on top of the MFT must be too high right?
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