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Offline Otakar Svojše

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2021, 02:48 AM »
Does the hammer action have the same high speed scream as the PDC? Or have they toned it down more in line with other manufacturers hammer function?


TPC has a classic hammer (same as PDC ) If you want a pneumatic hammer, buy BHC (SDS -plus)

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Offline Otakar Svojše

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2021, 02:51 AM »
Does the hammer action have the same high speed scream as the PDC? Or have they toned it down more in line with other manufacturers hammer function?

This.

Also is it lighter/smaller than the pdc?

Are you saying old c18/t18 chucks fit as well as old pdc chucks? (Obviously the regular chucks will all fit, but the right angle & eccentric ones are the question)

Cheers

The right angle & eccentric ones also fit. :-)

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2021, 03:37 AM »
How does the combined rotary switch work for the light? Is the light on/off activated by pressing on the same switch, or is it a rotary position,so you can't use the light while driving screws with a clutch setting?

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2021, 05:03 AM »
Does the hammer action have the same high speed scream as the PDC? Or have they toned it down more in line with other manufacturers hammer function?


TPC has a classic hammer (same as PDC ) If you want a pneumatic hammer, buy BHC (SDS -plus)

It’s the noise we are asking about. The PDC made the most horrendous screaming sound in hammer mode, literally the reason I eventually parted with mine. If you don’t understand what I’m talking about I’m shocked :)

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2021, 06:37 AM »
It’s the noise we are asking about. The PDC made the most horrendous screaming sound in hammer mode, literally the reason I eventually parted with mine. If you don’t understand what I’m talking about I’m shocked :)
But the "noise" is not a property of the mechanism but of the sheer speed of the drill.

Other percussion drills do not have the high 4000 style RPM so they have a different, more amenable, sound. If it bothers you try using the 3rd or even 2nd gear. It will go slower (into masonry) and better into concrete (which one should not use it for) but will be easier on the ears. I.e., it will perform about the same as a Makita or Bosch at 1500 rpm in both departments.

Classic percussion power drills are screamers too percussion is used at their high rpm settings.

On top of that the 4-speed gearbox has more moving parts, so it will always rattle a -bit- more always. But the annoying high pitch is from the sheer speed. I have an 1100/3000 rpm percussion drill, and it is similarly obnoxious at the high speed setting.
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2021, 06:54 AM »
Combined rotary switch: 1-13, drilling, light off, light on (lit for 30 s). There is no separate switch. I'll take a photo with PDC tomorrow :-). TPC 18/4 EC-TEC seems more robust.

Thank you very much, Otakar!

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2021, 08:13 AM »
Does the hammer action have the same high speed scream as the PDC? Or have they toned it down more in line with other manufacturers hammer function?
TPC has a classic hammer (same as PDC ) If you want a pneumatic hammer, buy BHC (SDS -plus)
As Mr B said, I’m talking about the noise only. I have a BHC and am aware of the mechanical difference, but the PDC has a ‘unique’ sound (to put it politely) and I’m curious if the TPC is the same.
I have an 1100/3000 rpm percussion drill, and it is similarly obnoxious at the high speed setting.
I’ve used lots of different hammer drills and none have anything like the scream of the PDC, regardless of rpm. Perhaps the PDC does more ‘hammers’ per revolution, perhaps it’s something else that causes the difference, I don’t know. Whatever it is, the PDC is unpleasant to use on hammer, which is a shame.

Offline Otakar Svojše

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2021, 01:11 PM »
How does the combined rotary switch work for the light? Is the light on/off activated by pressing on the same switch, or is it a rotary position,so you can't use the light while driving screws with a clutch setting?

The light illuminates when screwing and drilling. Then the rotary switch can be switched to the "light off" position (full drilling torque). The last position is "light on" (full drilling torque) and the light is still on 10 minutes after releasing the drilling switch.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2021, 02:33 PM »
Thanks for clarifying, it's a pity they didn't make the light trigger activated like on most drills.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2021, 02:37 PM »
How does the combined rotary switch work for the light? Is the light on/off activated by pressing on the same switch, or is it a rotary position,so you can't use the light while driving screws with a clutch setting?

The light illuminates when screwing and drilling. Then the rotary switch can be switched to the "light off" position (full drilling torque). The last position is "light on" (full drilling torque) and the light is still on 10 minutes after releasing the drilling switch.


Thanks for clarifying, it's a pity they didn't make the light trigger activated like on most drills.


I think he means that it works by the trigger as well as the two wheel positions.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2021, 05:24 PM »
O yes, I misunderstood, after re-reading it makes sense.
I got my second pdc not so long ago, and the light doesn't work with the trigger, but it has it's own button, (my first pdc doesn't have a light at all). 

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2021, 08:56 AM »
There are some new videos on the Festool youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/festool

apparently you can control the led setting on the tpc and tdc also with your smartphone.

The new TS55F (the corded one) has the normal riving knife, not the kickback control of the new battery powered version, so the only difference seems to be the thinner blades (and a thinner riving knife) as far as I can tell.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2021, 09:23 AM »
Details of the new products are found on the Festool websites: https://www.festool.co.uk/products/new-products

- SYS-PowerStation
- TPC/TDC drills
- TS 55 F and TSC 55 K
- Centrotec Auger bit set
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2021, 10:41 AM »
So a slightly revised TS55, and they call it F.  This will really cause confusion in N.A.  where the saws and other tools all ready have "F" in the name.  Will it be TS 55 FF here?   EFFFF?

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2021, 11:36 AM »
Now it's called the TS55 REQ-F, so the new name will probably be TS55 FEQ-F. The short name on the festoolusa site is now TS55 R, and that will probably be TS55 F.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2021, 12:36 PM »
So Festool USA is showing the new TSC,   looks like K so it's now. KEBI-F,  was REBI-F

Shocking to see this on the site all ready.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2021, 12:47 PM »
When I was typing the previous message, the FEQ-F didn't sound right in my head, maybe that's why they would change the name [wink].

Offline Otakar Svojše

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2021, 12:58 PM »
Hi Otakar,

Could you measure the weight of the drill without battery or chuck?
Also interested in the size comparison to the PDC.

thank you.

wpz


TPC 18/4.... 1270g
PDC 18/4.....1250g

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Offline Otakar Svojše

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2021, 01:34 PM »
O yes, I misunderstood, after re-reading it makes sense.
I got my second pdc not so long ago, and the light doesn't work with the trigger, but it has it's own button, (my first pdc doesn't have a light at all).

I shot the LED light control on instastories  [wink]
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2021, 02:42 PM »
Festool International posted some promotional videos in English of the new tools on YouTube today:














Inquiring Minds Want to Know

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2021, 03:16 PM »
it's kinda funny, when I was shopping track saws, I nearly went Mafell, but went with Festool, in part because of the riving knife.  Now it looks like Festool is saying Mafell was right, so in some ways, the new saws are an advertisement for Mafell.

I've debated buying a newer TS55 and switching parts over to make one metric, but just see it as a waste just to solve the tilt lock issues.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2021, 05:17 PM »
Hmmm, looks like I will be keeping my older model saws. I don't have kickback problems. But the riving knife has done it's job helping prevent the kerf closing up so that I could keep cutting ( ripping solid wood) many times.

On the other hand I like that feature on the drill. That would be a great wrist saver with hole saws.

Seth

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2021, 05:35 PM »
I would think it’s the ts75 that needs updating.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2021, 06:52 PM »
Maybe the feature I'd most appreciate from Festool would be some new theme music for their videos.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2021, 06:54 PM »
Hmmm, looks like I will be keeping my older model saws. I don't have kickback problems. But the riving knife has done it's job helping prevent the kerf closing up so that I could keep cutting ( ripping solid wood) many times.

On the other hand I like that feature on the drill. That would be a great wrist saver with hole saws.

Seth

Yeah, these news systems may work, but I like simple.  I get the desire to improve, and maybe the new system is better, but I I like passive things.

The drill as you say is nice. I'm guessing others will have such systems very soon, if they don't all ready.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2021, 07:20 PM »
Hmmm, looks like I will be keeping my older model saws. I don't have kickback problems. But the riving knife has done it's job helping prevent the kerf closing up so that I could keep cutting ( ripping solid wood) many times.

On the other hand I like that feature on the drill. That would be a great wrist saver with hole saws.

Seth

Yeah, these news systems may work, but I like simple.  I get the desire to improve, and maybe the new system is better, but I I like passive things.

The drill as you say is nice. I'm guessing others will have such systems very soon, if they don't all ready.

Trouble with the new is that it only does part of the riving knife job.

I know that Milwaukee has a torque clutch on their big drills.

Seth

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2021, 08:34 PM »

Trouble with the new is that it only does part of the riving knife job.


Next revision in a 10 years, physical returns to go with electronic.


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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2021, 08:40 PM »
it's kinda funny, when I was shopping track saws, I nearly went Mafell, but went with Festool, in part because of the riving knife.  Now it looks like Festool is saying Mafell was right, so in some ways, the new saws are an advertisement for Mafell.

I've debated buying a newer TS55 and switching parts over to make one metric, but just see it as a waste just to solve the tilt lock issues.
It is not about "better or worse". Both approaches have their pros and cons.

What I find interesting is that only the TSC will get the electronic anti-kickback while the corded TS 55 will keep the riving knife. I would have expected the opposite - the TSC is the one more likely to be used free-handed.

I guess the "problem" was that "cool" youtube reviewers were dissing Festool for the riving knife as if it was something negative. Especially the US guys where safety is an after-thought for a big part of the market.

Festool likely felt they needed to react, and so they did. But it does not mean a riving knife is the "worse option". The same way Beta was not the worse option to VHS...

I would like it both ways-having an option to swap either a riving knife or the sensor. But I guess this is not possible mechanically so Festool had to choose which mechanism to install.

Will see how it turns. The big feature are really the thinner blades and those can be retrofitted to older saws. One only needs to lap the riving knife a bit for that to make it fit the reduced cut width.
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2021, 09:35 PM »
Guess I thought the TS55 got it to, not sure now.

I wouldn't say safety is ignored in the US at all.  The reason we don't have a lot of tools here is they won't pass a safety review.  Europe and N.A. view safety on some tools very different (see table saws).  Really this is a lot of stuff, what folk over there find safe in things is terrifying here, and I'm sure the opposite is true.

With a saw like the TS 55 it's more that track saws are a new thing, and even with them being around now for about 20 years, most have never seen them, so a riving knife on a circular saw is just a bit odd.  But on a table saw, completely normal.


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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2021, 05:22 AM »
Guess I thought the TS55 got it to, not sure now.

I wouldn't say safety is ignored in the US at all.
I did not mean ignore. Just that the US market seems not so obsessed with safety. For example I have never seen (the insanity of) radial arm saws widely used in Europe. Heck, I have never seen one even on a picture before roaming FOG.

A plunge saw is already infinitely safer than a circular saw to begin with. So many (maybe up to a half potential customers ?) see a riving knife as "just another nuisance". They would probably see the anti-kickback sensor the same, just be less bothered by it.

In Europe this part of the market is much smaller as the percentage of "hobby" or "carpenter contractor" users of tools like a plunge saw is much smaller. We do no have all that many wooden houses over here. So the customer demographic is more skewed to the furniture maker professionals which are likely to prefer a riving knife or at least not be bothered by it.

Maffel tested the waters, was well received by the market. So Festool followed. I do not believe Festool would go the sensor way if that was not so. The riving knife on my TSC is so well engineered, I only noticed it had one when tried a thinner (1.5mm) blade and it complained a bit. :)
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