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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2021, 09:23 AM »
On one hand I'm glad I haven't bought the TSC 55 yet. On the other, I have no need for that new kickback sensor if I'm on a guide rail 100% of the time. Cool tech though.
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2021, 03:42 PM »

Here are a few specs of the new 2021 models.
TSC 55 K with KickbackStop protection
TPC 18 Quaddrive brushless percusion 4 speed drill
TDC 18 Quaddrive brushless 4 speed drill
both drills come with kickback protection, Bluetooth connection to phone app to change Forward/Reverse button function for left handed users.
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2021, 04:40 PM »
They also mention a "new generation of saw blades" in the article, whatever that means. I'm curious if Festool is coming out with new blades for TS55 and why they felt an update was needed.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2021, 05:09 PM »
So the gear selector got a massive overhaul it seems, I guess those who had issues with it in the past, will be happy now. But from the picture, the drill seems to be more beefy/thicker. I guess I need to see & handle this in person! :)

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2021, 07:21 PM »
The gear selector looks a lot like Fein's. Maybe Fein is making the TPC? They did quite a few collaborations with Festool in the past.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2021, 10:02 PM »
So the gear selector got a massive overhaul it seems, I guess those who had issues with it in the past, will be happy now. But from the picture, the drill seems to be more beefy/thicker. I guess I need to see & handle this in person! :)

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The plastic housing portion looks very much like the TiD18.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2021, 06:09 AM »
The gear selector looks a lot like Fein's. Maybe Fein is making the TPC? They did quite a few collaborations with Festool in the past.
Or Festool making for Fein ... with Fein piloting the market as the smaller company.
For sure it looks like a joint collaboration on the basic gearbox/switch design and likely the motor assy. A good thing IMO.

Was looking at a PDC to complement my DRC. With this it will combine the cordless percussion with a "super-screwdriver" role I was thinking of getting from Makita. Nice!
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2021, 08:30 AM »
i may pick one up allongside a t18 if i decide i am rich enough.

and typical, ive just got a tsc [mad] [mad] [mad]
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2021, 08:59 AM »
Here's a Video, German: https://www.h3.plus/de/c/bereit-fuer-das-unschlagbare-doppel-tg#yes

TSC 55 K won't have an actual riving knife, instead it will glide on top of the material and release/activate the kick back protection when it's not making contact with the surface anymore. (As far as I understand this!)

Not sure how I feel about this.

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Offline Josh2

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2021, 09:35 AM »
The new saw blades are 1.8mm and not 2.2mm. I actually think that is a BIG advantage as long as any shatter is under control. The HK55 already has 1.8 blades. Mafell's tracksaw has 1.8 blades as well. The smaller kerf means that the new saw has to cut significantly less material, which makes a big different for power, battery life and cut quality. A lot of people say that the Mafell is more powerful and I think part of the reason is the smaller kerf.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2021, 11:37 AM »
The new saw blades are 1.8mm and not 2.2mm.
This may be a bit of a pain.
The current blades use 2.2 kerf teeth on an 1.6 mm disc for 0.3 mm difference (each side). The difference is what one calibrates his rail for in turn.

They would have to go for ultra-thin 1.2 discs half with 1.8 teeth to keep the blades interchangeable.

But this would make them less than half as stable for harder use cases so I would expect 1.8/1.4 or 1.8/1.3 setting which would be a bit of a pain pain as no other maker does blades with under 0.3 mm difference - I am aware off.

Can someone measure the HK55 blades disc thickness ?
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2021, 11:59 AM »
Here's a Video, German: https://www.h3.plus/de/c/bereit-fuer-das-unschlagbare-doppel-tg#yes
TSC 55 K won't have an actual riving knife, instead it will glide on top of the material and release/activate the kick back protection when it's not making contact with the surface anymore. (As far as I understand this!)
Not sure how I feel about this.
Kind regards,
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It seems that you can't use this "improved" saw without rail. When starting a cut (without rail) the unti-kickback trigger will not be pressed in and the saw won't start.
Besides, all this electronic kickback protection on various saws miss another important function of riving knife. Namely, keeping kerf from closing in on the blade too much and gauging the surface while not necessarily stalling the blade. Typically when cutting thin strips.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2021, 12:06 PM by Svar »

Offline slavi.yordanov

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2021, 04:29 PM »
That drill looks sweet! My C18's drill/screw switch on top sucks. Always switching between modes accidentally. I wonder if the new drill will be compatible with the C18's heads. They look to have similar style locking mechanism, unlike the PDC.

If the kickback system is the only difference between the new and old TSC55, it would be disappointing. I had the cordless Makita Tracksaw until recently and I have never had a problem with kickbacks, unless I did something stupid.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2021, 04:53 PM »
I have never had a problem with kickbacks, unless I did something stupid.
So, then you did have problem with kickbacks. This is exactly why safety features are in place, for when people make mistakes, which is a human nature.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2021, 04:59 PM by Svar »

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2021, 09:55 AM »
These features are what Mafell has in its saws and why no riving knife. The corded saw is more powerful...it is 400 watts more powerful. Equivalent of TS 75 motor on TS55 housing. It also uses thinner blade as noted. I have, use and like all variants of the Festool range and Mafell corded. All have pros and cons. Do not necessarily think this upgrade is worth it on the saw vs the current version, but I have not had kickback issues either.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2021, 10:27 PM »
So, checked my TSC.

The riving knife is 2.1 mm thick. This means the TS 55 R/TSC 55 will *not* accept the new blades without a retrofit thinner riving knife or some home modification to make the knife about 1,7 mm or so.

Overall, happy for the new blades as it will mean more real cut power.

Otherwise the sensor versus riving knife is a trade-off.
Someone will love no frig'n riving knife while other will miss the guiding properties of the riving knife in free-hand cutting etc.

I will be in the second camp, but will probably tune the knife for the thinner blades after I get through my current blade set.
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2021, 04:05 PM »


I wonder if the hammer function sounds any better than the PDC? Man that sound was tough to deal with.

The new right angle chuck looks smaller, which is nice. But I hope compatibility with the old chucks is there.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2021, 04:14 PM by mrB »
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2021, 04:26 PM »
My experiences with the thinner blades (1.8 mm) on the HKC 55:
CONS
- getting dull faster
- can be sharpened fewer times
- FS guide rail has to be realigned or renew
- blades are bending to easily when taking of small pieces or skew direction
PROS
- faster sawing
- less dust
- less battery drainage
- less tearout
- FSK rails are great
Despite the CONS on the blades it's still a nice saw and I use it everyday.
Shame that the old and new blades are not interchangeable between the TS/TSC/HK/HKC, also when used on guide rails.
Maybe Festool should design different spacers for every type of blade to align to the guide rail strip.
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2021, 04:54 PM »
Here's a video about the TSC 55 K and TPC 18/4.
Unfortunately for some it's in German/Swiss language.
But the pictures speek for them selves.
Vimeo
Finally there's also a new offset chuck for the TPC/TDC drills.
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2021, 10:55 AM »
My experiences with the thinner blades (1.8 mm) on the HKC 55:
CONS
- getting dull faster
- can be sharpened fewer times
- FS guide rail has to be realigned or renew
- blades are bending to easily when taking of small pieces or skew direction
PROS
- faster sawing
- less dust
- less battery drainage
- less tearout
- FSK rails are great
Despite the CONS on the blades it's still a nice saw and I use it everyday.
Shame that the old and new blades are not interchangeable between the TS/TSC/HK/HKC, also when used on guide rails.
Maybe Festool should design different spacers for every type of blade to align to the guide rail strip.
Do you have the 32-tooth fine blade and/or the Panther for the HKC?
Can you measure the "disc" width ?

The 2.2mm blades are 2.2/1.6 so in theory an 1.8 would have to be super-thin as 1.8/1.2 to be "compatible" if used in same machine rail combo.

CMT makes super-thin blades which are  1.7/1.1 that would fit on a TS/TSC55 were it not for the riving knife being too thick for them. We use the 1.7/1.1 for ripping on our Lidl/Parkside tracksaw along with the Festool 2.2/1.6 ones and the have the exact same contact with the guard. We even use special aluminum-cutting blades which are 2.8/2.2.

As long as the different between the kerf and the disk width is the same, the only compatibility limitation is the width of the riving knife which tends to be optimized for specific kerf.
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2021, 05:41 AM »


I wonder if the hammer function sounds any better than the PDC? Man that sound was tough to deal with.

The new right angle chuck looks smaller, which is nice. But I hope compatibility with the old chucks is there.

I'll definitely be getting the new drill. The PDC that I own works well but the speed control is dodgy, and having more than one drill that kan use the different chucks  I already own is a smart move in the system when the  existing PDC drill broke or I had a helper on a job.
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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2021, 03:54 PM »
I have TPC 18 EC-TEC  at home for a short time. :-) You can ask questions.


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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2021, 04:03 PM »
Now that they moved the torque setting to the back, it wouldn't happen to have a selector to switch between drilling and driving screws, like the C18 has? (So the torque setting is simply taken out of the game while drilling and remains set for driving screws.)

Thank you!

Oh, and if you happen to have a PDC, it would be great to see some comparison shots. :)

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2021, 04:09 PM »
Combined rotary switch: 1-13, drilling, light off, light on (lit for 30 s). There is no separate switch. I'll take a photo with PDC tomorrow :-). TPC 18/4 EC-TEC seems more robust.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2021, 05:18 PM »
Does the hammer action have the same high speed scream as the PDC? Or have they toned it down more in line with other manufacturers hammer function?

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2021, 06:39 PM »
Now that they moved the torque setting to the back, it wouldn't happen to have a selector to switch between drilling and driving screws, like the C18 has? (So the torque setting is simply taken out of the game while drilling and remains set for driving screws.)

Thank you!

Oh, and if you happen to have a PDC, it would be great to see some comparison shots. :)

Kind regards,
Oliver

Wheel + switch was one of the things in my list going for the Festool drills. In the end... Buying 3 Bosch drills for the same price won me over to the camp with the bigass boxes with dumb inlays (Bosch GSR 18v-6 + GSR 12v-35 + GSR 12v-35 FC)

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2021, 08:10 PM »
Does the hammer action have the same high speed scream as the PDC? Or have they toned it down more in line with other manufacturers hammer function?

This.

Also is it lighter/smaller than the pdc?

Are you saying old c18/t18 chucks fit as well as old pdc chucks? (Obviously the regular chucks will all fit, but the right angle & eccentric ones are the question)

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2021, 08:44 PM »
Hi Otakar,

Could you measure the weight of the drill without battery or chuck?
Also interested in the size comparison to the PDC.

thank you.

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Re: New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2021, 08:46 PM »
Looks like there also is a new corded TS 55 S. Here is a short article in German: https://www.h3.plus/de/c/akku-tauchsaege-mit-noch-mehr-durchzugskraft-festool-schweiz-ag

Makes sense that both tools use the same blades. It’s not entirely clear but the TS 55 S might get the brushless motor. The new blades will work with TSC 55 K, TS 55 S und HK(C) 55.

It’s also not entirely clear but it might be the case that only the TSC 55 k will get the anti kickback system.

Both seem to go on sale on Feb 16 in Switzerland. The article is from early December though.