Author Topic: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others (Read 101560 times)

GarryMartin · « **on:** October 25, 2018, 04:27 AM »

Found some interesting bits while searching the Internet...

Available from January 2019.

Updated: CTL MINI
Updated: CTL MIDI
NEW: CTM MIDI I

- Touch display including BT
- Hose garage with lid
- Main filter can be changed from outside

New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others

18V Battery back with BT function

- Ergopack for battery sander
- Compact battery

New jigsaw blade range

UPDATES
- Worktop template APS 900/2
- Semi-stationary saws CS 50 & 70, KS 88 & 120, SYM 70

Gregor · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2018, 05:53 AM »

Main filter changeable from outside... how often does on do that?
BT for the batteries... what was the power adapter for, again?

I hope the CS update includes SawStop technology, else it wouldn't be that interesting.

jpmeunier · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2018, 09:41 AM »

Any info on the Kapex updates?

DeformedTree · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2018, 09:42 AM »

Never knew about that sym 70 saw. Thats a clever little guy.

For North Americans, this will probably be most interesting on the Kapex and if an update is coming to N.A. (and when). While my big dewalt marches along it sucks from dust standpoint, if Kapex didn't have a smoking habit, I might consider one down the road.

is an announcement like this general a statement of all that is new for 2019, or do they trickle out new stuff announcements randomly thru the year.

jpmeunier · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2018, 09:46 AM »

Quote from: DeformedTree on October 25, 2018, 09:42 AM

Never knew about that sym 70 saw. Thats a clever little guy.

For North Americans, this will probably be most interesting on the Kapex and if an update is coming to N.A. (and when). While my big dewalt marches along it sucks from dust standpoint, if Kapex didn't have a smoking habit, I might consider one down the road.

is an announcement like this general a statement of all that is new for 2019, or do they trickle out new stuff announcements randomly thru the year.

Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that. Festool would end up with a more versatile (possibly more powerful) tool and eliminate the number 1 issue (in perception at least) with a flagship tool.

mrB · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2018, 09:57 AM »

Thanks Gary

Nice to see the Mini/Midi get updated to bluetooth battery and remote button functionality I wonder if all the changes make the vacs bigger?

And keen to hear what has finally happened with the Kapex!!??

GarryMartin · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2018, 10:54 AM »

Quote from: jpmeunier on October 25, 2018, 09:41 AM

Any info on the Kapex updates?

Quote from: mrB on October 25, 2018, 09:57 AM

And keen to hear what has finally happened with the Kapex!!??

The only thing I can say with a good degree of certainty is there will be extendable arms judging by the photo. That and it will be called the KS 120 REB (or KS 88 RE) based on the photo and product list.

GarryMartin · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2018, 11:13 AM »

Quote from: jpmeunier on October 25, 2018, 09:46 AM

Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that.

Nope. Corded power. No cordless part numbers. And brushless doesn't really make much sense in a tool such as the Kapex.

GarryMartin · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2018, 12:07 PM »

And on analysing some more information, it seems the TID 18 cordless impact finally sees the light of day, both on its own and in kits with the PDC 18 and T 18, there's a new cordless angle grinder, the DSC AGC 18, and an 18V version of the OS 400 oscillating tool too. Oh, and a *NEW* table saw called the TKS 80 which I have to assume would be something to do with SawStop...

kozen · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2018, 12:09 PM »

Quote from: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 11:13 AM

Quote from: jpmeunier on October 25, 2018, 09:46 AM
Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that.

Nope. Corded power. No cordless part numbers. And brushless doesn't really make much sense in a tool such as the Kapex.

Makita has a Brushless Miter saw and it works great, you can get more power from the motor which the US version needs and no need to replace brushes overtime.

You can also see from the picture of the Kapex they updated the hose port to be more like the new TS ports. I hope they didn't get ride of the miter gauge as it doesn't seem to be showing in the side profile picture.

sprior · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2018, 12:58 PM »

I'm a gadget freak and a LCD display on a vacuum sounds over the top even to me, but I suppose when you're paying these prices for it we should demand that it be a color display

jpmeunier · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2018, 01:10 PM »

Quote from: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 11:13 AM

Quote from: jpmeunier on October 25, 2018, 09:46 AM
Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that.

Nope. Corded power. No cordless part numbers. And brushless doesn't really make much sense in a tool such as the Kapex.

Out of curiosity why doesn't a brushless make sense? (assuming cordless)

mrB · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2018, 01:35 PM »

What that's Gary? An impact too! Don't believe it until i see it

and a cordless angle grinder! Wow thats just what I wanted but thought the wait would be forever. If have thought a grinder would be well down their list..

Where are you getting all this from? Any more pics to share?

Thanks

GarryMartin · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2018, 02:32 PM »

Quote from: jpmeunier on October 25, 2018, 01:10 PM

Out of curiosity why doesn't a brushless make sense? (assuming cordless)

My point was it isn't cordless, and therefore a brushless motor adds increased cost without much benefit.

See http://festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/what's-the-deal-with-non-brushless-new-tools/ for a great discussion by people with far more knowledge and experience than me.

GarryMartin · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2018, 02:34 PM »

Quote from: mrB on October 25, 2018, 01:35 PM

Where are you getting all this from? Any more pics to share?

No more pics unfortunately.

It's all on the Internet. I don't have access to any privileged information. The existence of new tools comes from a Festool product list posted in September, and the photos of the new tools for January 2019 from a Prezi presentation posted earlier in the year.

Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits · « **Reply #15 on:** October 25, 2018, 02:43 PM »

Quote from: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 12:07 PM

And on analysing some more information, it seems the TID 18 cordless impact finally sees the light of day, both on its own and in kits with the PDC 18 and T 18, there's a new cordless angle grinder, the DSC AGC 18, and an 18V version of the OS 400 oscillating tool too. Oh, and a *NEW* table saw called the TKS 80 which I have to assume would be something to do with SawStop...

About time on the impact. Vecturo 18V suits me fine, I have 70+ Supercut blades... Cordless anlge grinder? Good to have but it would have to be very good to beat Metabo or Hitach... ...sorry HiKoki offerings.

Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits · « **Reply #16 on:** October 25, 2018, 02:57 PM »

I have the SYM 70E. Too expensive if bought new. Have bought two second hand ones and plug-it outfitted them. Both were bought at under half the asking price for a new one and in mint condition.

They are super for alu trim and odd angles. Will not let go of mine. However the little Makita DLS600z is a great contender with laser, even smaller size, weight and footprint and with dual bevel - and it's 18V with good runtime too. It is also a lot cheaper. Still not cheap though! The Makita is dangerous and ill suited for smaller alu trim though - but I've used the heck out of the above mitre saws and what they do they do very well.

Quote from: jpmeunier on October 25, 2018, 09:46 AM

Quote from: DeformedTree on October 25, 2018, 09:42 AM
Never knew about that sym 70 saw. Thats a clever little guy.

For North Americans, this will probably be most interesting on the Kapex and if an update is coming to N.A. (and when). While my big dewalt marches along it sucks from dust standpoint, if Kapex didn't have a smoking habit, I might consider one down the road.

is an announcement like this general a statement of all that is new for 2019, or do they trickle out new stuff announcements randomly thru the year.

Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that. Festool would end up with a more versatile (possibly more powerful) tool and eliminate the number 1 issue (in perception at least) with a flagship tool.

mrB · « **Reply #17 on:** October 25, 2018, 05:03 PM »

Quote from: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 02:34 PM

Quote from: mrB on October 25, 2018, 01:35 PM
Where are you getting all this from? Any more pics to share?
It's all on the Internet.

Well thanks for sniffing it out and posting!

I was genuinely about to buy a cordless grinder and have to buy into a new battery platform to do so. So glad you posted because I can definitely wait for the festool and the extra simplicity that brings me

GarryMartin · « **Reply #18 on:** October 25, 2018, 05:18 PM »

Quote from: mrB on October 25, 2018, 05:03 PM

I was genuinely about to buy a cordless grinder and have to buy into a new battery platform to do so. So glad you posted because I can definitely wait for the festool and the extra simplicity that brings me

I wonder whether it will use the compact 18V battery platform?

wpz · « **Reply #19 on:** October 25, 2018, 05:24 PM »

Hi,

Some info I found on the filter of the new midi and the impact mechanism of the new impact driver.

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DeformedTree · « **Reply #20 on:** October 26, 2018, 12:31 AM »

Quote from: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on October 25, 2018, 02:57 PM

They are super for alu trim and odd angles.

Quote from: DeformedTree on October 25, 2018, 09:42 AM
Never knew about that sym 70 saw. Thats a clever little guy.

Thats basically what I was thinking, not so much for wood working (unless say picture frames are your game), but looked great for metal working. I can see a V-block attachment for dealing with round material too.

DeformedTree · « **Reply #21 on:** October 26, 2018, 12:35 AM »

Quote from: sprior on October 25, 2018, 12:58 PM

I'm a gadget freak and a LCD display on a vacuum sounds over the top even to me, but I suppose when you're paying these prices for it we should demand that it be a color display

Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc. Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair. Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen. My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc, so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.

DeformedTree · « **Reply #22 on:** October 26, 2018, 12:43 AM »

Quote from: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 12:07 PM

Oh, and a *NEW* table saw called the TKS 80 which I have to assume would be something to do with SawStop...

Interesting, I guess since they are advertising new CS saws, then it means those stay around. I hope the CMS saw modules stay around too for those who make said items available to themselves in North America. If they make it something that "drops in" to either CMS or the CS model line thus all the add ons it could be interesting. Maybe this is something they make N.A. only that meets US "safety" regs for saws, while the homeland keeps what they have. Though I really don't see how it's very hard to make tweaked versions of the saws for the 2 different safety rules markets. But if it was easy, then it wouldn't really explain why N.A. doesn't get CMS saw modules.

GarryMartin · « **Reply #23 on:** October 26, 2018, 03:09 AM »

Quote from: DeformedTree on October 26, 2018, 12:43 AM

Maybe this is something they make N.A. only that meets US "safety" regs for saws, while the homeland keeps what they have. Though I really don't see how it's very hard to make tweaked versions of the saws for the 2 different safety rules markets. But if it was easy, then it wouldn't really explain why N.A. doesn't get CMS saw modules.

There are no part numbers for US versions of the SYM 70, CS 70 or CS 50, but there *are* part numbers for a US version of whatever the TKS 80 is.

toolfest.co.uk · « **Reply #24 on:** October 26, 2018, 03:54 AM »

Where on earth did you get this info from @GarryMartin ?

ggc · « **Reply #25 on:** October 26, 2018, 07:44 AM »

Quote from: toolfest.co.uk on October 26, 2018, 03:54 AM

Where on earth did you get this info from @GarryMartin ?

Found a PDF at the below link that appears to be all the Festool order numbers for 2019

https://www.festool.com/-/media/tts/festool/festool/downloads/unternehmen/umwelt/2018-09-21_DNSZ_MHRS_product_list_SVHC-Informationen.pdf

toolfest.co.uk · « **Reply #26 on:** October 26, 2018, 08:25 AM »

Ooh, wonder what a CT 15 is?

DynaGlide · « **Reply #27 on:** October 26, 2018, 08:31 AM »

Interest. Piqued.

DynaGlide · « **Reply #28 on:** October 26, 2018, 08:41 AM »

Quote from: toolfest.co.uk on October 26, 2018, 08:25 AM

Ooh, wonder what a CT 15 is?

Looking up the CT 15 in the parts list pulls up 574827 Mobile Dust Extractor. Google shows it as this:
Vacuum cleaner construction FESTOOL CLEANTEC CT 17 E (574827)

ctvader · « **Reply #29 on:** October 26, 2018, 09:21 AM »

Does anyone think this slot b/t the mini & midi? Would love to see sub $400 price point.