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FESTOOL DISCUSSIONS => Festool Tools & Accessories => Topic started by: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 04:27 AM

Title: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 04:27 AM
Found some interesting bits while searching the Internet...  [wink]

Available from January 2019.

Updated: CTL MINI
Updated: CTL MIDI
NEW: CTM MIDI I


- Touch display including BT
- Hose garage with lid
- Main filter can be changed from outside

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18V Battery back with BT function

- Ergopack for battery sander
- Compact battery

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New jigsaw blade range

UPDATES
- Worktop template APS 900/2
- Semi-stationary saws CS 50 & 70, KS 88 & 120, SYM 70


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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on October 25, 2018, 05:53 AM
Main filter changeable from outside... how often does on do that?
BT for the batteries... what was the power adapter for, again?

I hope the CS update includes SawStop technology, else it wouldn't be that interesting.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jpmeunier on October 25, 2018, 09:41 AM
Any info on the Kapex updates?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on October 25, 2018, 09:42 AM
Never knew about that sym 70 saw.  Thats a clever little guy.

For North Americans, this will probably be most interesting on the Kapex and if an update is coming to N.A. (and when). While my big dewalt marches along it sucks from dust standpoint, if Kapex didn't have a smoking habit, I might consider one down the road.

is an announcement like this general a statement of all that is new for 2019, or do they trickle out new stuff announcements randomly thru the year.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jpmeunier on October 25, 2018, 09:46 AM
Never knew about that sym 70 saw.  Thats a clever little guy.

For North Americans, this will probably be most interesting on the Kapex and if an update is coming to N.A. (and when). While my big dewalt marches along it sucks from dust standpoint, if Kapex didn't have a smoking habit, I might consider one down the road.

is an announcement like this general a statement of all that is new for 2019, or do they trickle out new stuff announcements randomly thru the year.

Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that. Festool would end up with a more versatile (possibly more powerful) tool and eliminate the number 1 issue (in perception at least) with a flagship tool.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mrB on October 25, 2018, 09:57 AM
Thanks Gary :)

Nice to see the Mini/Midi get updated to bluetooth battery and remote button functionality I wonder if all the changes make the vacs bigger?

And keen to hear what has finally happened with the Kapex!!??
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 10:54 AM
Any info on the Kapex updates?

And keen to hear what has finally happened with the Kapex!!??

The only thing I can say with a good degree of certainty is there will be extendable arms judging by the photo. That and it will be called the KS 120 REB (or KS 88 RE) based on the photo and product list.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 11:13 AM
Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that.

Nope. Corded power. No cordless part numbers. And brushless doesn't really make much sense in a tool such as the Kapex.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 12:07 PM
And on analysing some more information, it seems the TID 18 cordless impact finally sees the light of day, both on its own and in kits with the PDC 18 and T 18, there's a new cordless angle grinder, the DSC AGC 18, and an 18V version of the OS 400 oscillating tool too. Oh, and a *NEW* table saw called the TKS 80 which I have to assume would be something to do with SawStop...  ;)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: kozen on October 25, 2018, 12:09 PM
Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that.

Nope. Corded power. No cordless part numbers. And brushless doesn't really make much sense in a tool such as the Kapex.

Makita has a Brushless Miter saw and it works great, you can get more power from the motor which the US version needs and no need to replace brushes overtime.

You can also see from the picture of the Kapex they updated the hose port to be more like the new TS ports. I hope they didn't get ride of the miter gauge as it doesn't seem to be showing in the side profile picture.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: sprior on October 25, 2018, 12:58 PM
I'm a gadget freak and a LCD display on a vacuum sounds over the top even to me, but I suppose when you're paying these prices for it we should demand that it be a color display  [big grin]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jpmeunier on October 25, 2018, 01:10 PM
Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that.

Nope. Corded power. No cordless part numbers. And brushless doesn't really make much sense in a tool such as the Kapex.

Out of curiosity why doesn't a brushless make sense? (assuming cordless)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mrB on October 25, 2018, 01:35 PM
What that's Gary? An impact too! Don't believe it until i see it :) and a cordless angle grinder! Wow thats just what I wanted but thought the wait would be forever. If have thought a grinder would be well down their list..

Where are you getting all this from? Any more pics to share?

Thanks
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 02:32 PM
Out of curiosity why doesn't a brushless make sense? (assuming cordless)

My point was it isn't cordless, and therefore a brushless motor adds increased cost without much benefit.

See http://festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/what's-the-deal-with-non-brushless-new-tools/ for a great discussion by people with far more knowledge and experience than me.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 02:34 PM
Where are you getting all this from? Any more pics to share?

No more pics unfortunately.

It's all on the Internet. I don't have access to any privileged information. The existence of new tools comes from a Festool product list posted in September, and the photos of the new tools for January 2019 from a Prezi presentation posted earlier in the year.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on October 25, 2018, 02:43 PM
And on analysing some more information, it seems the TID 18 cordless impact finally sees the light of day, both on its own and in kits with the PDC 18 and T 18, there's a new cordless angle grinder, the DSC AGC 18, and an 18V version of the OS 400 oscillating tool too. Oh, and a *NEW* table saw called the TKS 80 which I have to assume would be something to do with SawStop...  ;)

About time on the impact. Vecturo 18V suits me fine, I have 70+ Supercut blades... Cordless anlge grinder? Good to have but it would have to be very good to beat Metabo or Hitach... ...sorry HiKoki offerings.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on October 25, 2018, 02:57 PM
I have the SYM 70E. Too expensive if bought new. Have bought two second hand ones and plug-it outfitted them. Both were bought at under half the asking price for a new one and in mint condition.

They are super for alu trim and odd angles. Will not let go of mine. However the little Makita DLS600z is a great contender with laser, even smaller size, weight and footprint and with dual bevel - and it's 18V with good runtime too. It is also a lot cheaper. Still not cheap though! The Makita is dangerous and ill suited for smaller alu trim though - but I've used the heck out of the above mitre saws and what they do they do very well.

 

Never knew about that sym 70 saw.  Thats a clever little guy.

For North Americans, this will probably be most interesting on the Kapex and if an update is coming to N.A. (and when). While my big dewalt marches along it sucks from dust standpoint, if Kapex didn't have a smoking habit, I might consider one down the road.

is an announcement like this general a statement of all that is new for 2019, or do they trickle out new stuff announcements randomly thru the year.

Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that. Festool would end up with a more versatile (possibly more powerful) tool and eliminate the number 1 issue (in perception at least) with a flagship tool.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mrB on October 25, 2018, 05:03 PM
Where are you getting all this from? Any more pics to share?
It's all on the Internet.

Well thanks for sniffing it out and posting! 

I was genuinely about to buy a cordless grinder and have to buy into a new battery platform to do so. So glad you posted because I can definitely wait for the festool and the extra simplicity that brings me :) 
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on October 25, 2018, 05:18 PM
I was genuinely about to buy a cordless grinder and have to buy into a new battery platform to do so. So glad you posted because I can definitely wait for the festool and the extra simplicity that brings me :)

I wonder whether it will use the compact 18V battery platform?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: wpz on October 25, 2018, 05:24 PM
Hi,

Some info I found on the filter of the new midi and the impact mechanism of the new impact driver.


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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on October 26, 2018, 12:31 AM

They are super for alu trim and odd angles.

Never knew about that sym 70 saw.  Thats a clever little guy.


Thats basically what I was thinking, not so much for wood working (unless say picture frames are your game), but looked great for metal working.  I can see a V-block attachment for dealing with round material too.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on October 26, 2018, 12:35 AM
I'm a gadget freak and a LCD display on a vacuum sounds over the top even to me, but I suppose when you're paying these prices for it we should demand that it be a color display  [big grin]

Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc.  Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair.  Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen.   My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc,  so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.   
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on October 26, 2018, 12:43 AM
Oh, and a *NEW* table saw called the TKS 80 which I have to assume would be something to do with SawStop...  ;)

Interesting, I guess since they are advertising new CS saws, then it means those stay around.  I hope the CMS saw modules stay around too for those who make said items available to themselves in North America.   If they make it something that "drops in" to either CMS or the CS model line thus all the add ons it could be interesting.  Maybe this is something they make N.A. only that meets US "safety" regs for saws, while the homeland keeps what they have.  Though I really don't see how it's very hard to make tweaked versions of the saws for the 2 different safety rules markets. But if it was easy, then it wouldn't really explain why N.A. doesn't get CMS saw modules.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on October 26, 2018, 03:09 AM
Maybe this is something they make N.A. only that meets US "safety" regs for saws, while the homeland keeps what they have.  Though I really don't see how it's very hard to make tweaked versions of the saws for the 2 different safety rules markets. But if it was easy, then it wouldn't really explain why N.A. doesn't get CMS saw modules.

There are no part numbers for US versions of the SYM 70, CS 70 or CS 50, but there *are* part numbers for a US version of whatever the TKS 80 is.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: toolfest.co.uk on October 26, 2018, 03:54 AM
Where on earth did you get this info from @GarryMartin ?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ggc on October 26, 2018, 07:44 AM
Where on earth did you get this info from @GarryMartin ?

Found a PDF at the below link that appears to be all the Festool order numbers for 2019

https://www.festool.com/-/media/tts/festool/festool/downloads/unternehmen/umwelt/2018-09-21_DNSZ_MHRS_product_list_SVHC-Informationen.pdf
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: toolfest.co.uk on October 26, 2018, 08:25 AM
Ooh, wonder what a CT 15 is?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DynaGlide on October 26, 2018, 08:31 AM
Interest. Piqued.

Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DynaGlide on October 26, 2018, 08:41 AM
Ooh, wonder what a CT 15 is?

Looking up the CT 15 in the parts list pulls up 574827 Mobile Dust Extractor. Google shows it as this:
Vacuum cleaner construction FESTOOL CLEANTEC CT 17 E (574827)

Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ctvader on October 26, 2018, 09:21 AM
Does anyone think this slot b/t the mini & midi?  Would love to see sub $400 price point. 
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grobkuschelig on October 26, 2018, 09:45 AM
So with the cordless oscillating tool showing only 3.1 amp configurations, this looks like it might be based on the cordless sander batteries!

...contrary to the cordless angle grinder, which shows 3.1 and 5.2 configs.

Can’t wait for some more images and timelines to surface!
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on October 26, 2018, 10:57 AM
Well from a USA perspective, new tools of interest for the US are:

Cordless Vecturo OSC 18
Cordless RA Grinder AGC 18
Cordless Impact TID 18
Rotary Polisher RAP EC 150
Rotary Polisher RAP EC 230
Table Saw TKS 80
Diamond Grinder RG 130
Vacuum CT 15

Also to be noted, is the Kapex with the old p/n 561287 is listed along with a Kapex with a new p/n 575306. [scratch chin]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on October 26, 2018, 11:16 AM
TKS80 is intriguing as it indicates a deviation from the pull-saw CS50/70 varieties. Tisch-Kreis-Säge simply means "table(circular)saw" and the others are listed as "pull-saws" in german. It might share add ons from the CS70 and if so could be a potentially great small workshop saw? 

Oh well, the impact is on the shortlist. Unless they screwed it up like the Ti15 it is a welcome addition for me.
A cordless Vecturo is nice but I got that tool covered by another brand or two already.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: BoulderAv on October 26, 2018, 02:19 PM
I am very interested in the Kapex update. The Kapex while a great tool does need an update. I am guessing it will be small improvements, but if they can add a new standout feature like the clamp to this new model it will be worthwhile upgrade over its less pricey competitors.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: vkumar on October 26, 2018, 02:23 PM
The main update the kapex needs is  a motor that does not  burn up. [tongue]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on October 26, 2018, 02:28 PM
The main update the kapex needs is  a motor that does not  burn up. [tongue]

Amazed that it took until post #34 for that comment...  [dead horse]  [big grin]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: sprior on October 26, 2018, 02:29 PM
I am very interested in the Kapex update. The Kapex while a great tool does need an update. I am guessing it will be small improvements, but if they can add a new standout feature like the clamp to this new model it will be worthwhile upgrade over its less pricey competitors.

Are there miter saws that use conventional light rather than laser for the cut indicators?  I find the laser lines look "fuzzy" and dazzling and wonder if conventional light would work out better assuming you could still see it.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on October 26, 2018, 02:44 PM
Amazed that it took until post #34 for that comment...  [dead horse]  [big grin]


Well actually, in my last post where I noted the old Kapex p/n and the new p/n, I was going to add that in the 2019 catalog, Festool could easily differentiate the 2 models by simply adding in the description:

...Kapex 561287 with white smoke.
...Kapex 575306 without white smoke.
 [big grin]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: cpw on October 26, 2018, 03:02 PM
I am very interested in the Kapex update. The Kapex while a great tool does need an update. I am guessing it will be small improvements, but if they can add a new standout feature like the clamp to this new model it will be worthwhile upgrade over its less pricey competitors.

Are there miter saws that use conventional light rather than laser for the cut indicators?  I find the laser lines look "fuzzy" and dazzling and wonder if conventional light would work out better assuming you could still see it.
My Dewalt uses a regular light and the shadow produced by the blade.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grobkuschelig on October 26, 2018, 03:15 PM
Maybe they are switching to green lasers. More crisp and definitely more in line with the brand colors. ;)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DynaGlide on October 26, 2018, 03:33 PM
I don't think there's a better system than the DeWalt XPS light
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Jmacpherson on October 26, 2018, 03:49 PM
The KS60 has a shadow line and side extensions. Based on the picture, the "upgraded" 120 has side extensions and perhaps other things from the 60 too like the shadow line? I think the 60 also had built in notches/grooves for the guide rail clamps, perhaps that will be incorporate too?

The table saw sounds intriguing but at what price? If it costs more than a Sawstop, people will just purchase a Sawstop model. - assuming it has the tech in it.
Based on the model number I'm guessing a 80mm cut capacity?
Question, if you are introducing a brand new saw, why upgrade the CS50/70? The 50 maybe makes sense but not the 70 unless the 80 is not going to be as portable?

On the bright side there are new 18v tools coming
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ben_r_ on October 26, 2018, 04:58 PM
Oh cool! Whew! Nothing I want/need. Nice not to have more to tempt me to drop more money!
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on October 26, 2018, 05:32 PM
The KS60 has a shadow line
Which you can completely forget about when using that thing outside (unless at night), while the Lasers on the Kapex 120 are visible at daylight.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on October 26, 2018, 08:37 PM
The main update the kapex needs is  a motor that does not  burn up. [tongue]

Amazed that it took until post #34 for that comment...  [dead horse]  [big grin]

I mentioned its smoking habit on post #3,  guess I was too subtle.  [blink]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on October 26, 2018, 09:45 PM
I see the

CMS GE has what looks like an old PN, but not a PN listed anyplace else for it. 561232

TSC 55 XL-FS  (with rail)  (201403) is no longer listed. There is a (575690) new number
HKC 55 EB-Set-FSK420 (201374) is no longer listed.  HKC 55 Li EBI-Plus-SCA. (575677) new
TS 55 REQ-F-Plus FS (with rail) (575388) missing
TS 75 EQ-F-Plus FS (with rail) (575390) missing
HK 55 Plus FSK (with rail) (575085) is missing


So there seams to be something happening maybe with the Rails in the US?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on October 27, 2018, 12:12 AM
I find it no different than other companies.  People from forums looking thru various global websites looking for hints.  Been thru the same for other interests.

I don't expect companies to give answers, as it's their business plan, and further things change and you don't want to have people freak out because something that was roadmapped 2 years ago never happened verses it happened when it happened.  Nor do I want things to become "routine updates" as that breeds updates for the sake of updates, not for good reason (iPhones)

I think it would somewhat help people to have an idea if stuff will be updates, it gets announced on these X dates/shows of the year, if nothing comes out, it won't till the next one.

Where Festool creates the problem is that unlike most other similar companies who sell the same product around the world, Festool doesn't offer everything around the world, places may or may not get a product, and worse sometimes they get a different version of a product.  So what matters to people can be very different depending on where you live.

I don't think they make many radical changes often, so minor changes won't really be upsetting to folks (changes happen and sometime it's for the good or bad and you never know which side of things you will fall). It's things that alter consistency/system  that matter.  I don't want to buy stuff that has mismatched hoses/measurement/cords/batteries etc or is simply incompatible with what comes out later.   For me, I have a plan to buy a great deal of Festool stuff. But that won't happen till they fix their issue with the removal of metric tools.  That's why I was curious to see what might be brought.  It's tools that go away that cause issues more than something new coming out after you buy something.  You don't want to miss your chance to get something or be forced to buy when you don't want too.

If I saw something that gave me a solid indication of the metric stuff returning, I'd probably be ordering stuff right now. Festool could put out some sort of  message like when they went the other way. But then they would have a lot of folks looking to buy stuff just stop and wait. Of course it also means those who decided to look at other brands to look back again. Thus is the problem in telling the public your plans. You are un-likely to get a single unified reaction from consumers, and you certainly don't want people to hold off buying.

Still, I think you can well assume Kapex sales in the US will slow down some.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on October 27, 2018, 03:20 AM
Deformed Tree: very well put, and I agree.

I held out for an impact for a long time. It's not a big thing though I was hoping for Festool to bring one out. One that works well I mean, not like the Ti15 which is heavy, overdesigned and underperforming and in a voltage class deemed obsolete by both Festool and the market. Same with the BHC 18 - great little hammer and nice in hand but no light chiseling in the line up? Slight oversight, but again, no biggie in the greater scheme of things.

But all of these perceived shortcomings  - and they are shortcomings as there are other companies offering the features that Festool lack and catering to the same tradesmen, most of which are interested in keeping within one or two battery platforms.

Not too long ago I decided NOT to expand my Festool 18V system and went the other direction: I put together an 18V skeleton crew of the DRC18/4 the C18 and the BHC18 and sold the rest, the T18, the Carvex, the Drywall gun and my other BHC18 since I decided to contract rather than expand my Festool investments.

I went with Hitachi instead for the drill hammer with chiseling, clip on Vac and exchangeable chucks, triple hammer impact, angle grinder, multicutter and jigsaw and all these I got for what I sold the excess Festool gear for. Added the Hitachi 18V drywall gun which works way better than Festool for screw strips. And it was the best change over I've made - better performance and better ergonomics across the board and with the features I lacked from Festool. My only regret is that I didn't make the leap sooner.

I still have a slot open for Festool gear for second fix and assembly work and will give the impact a try for sure - to put a little more meat back on the skeleton crew...  [smile]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: tobiaskurz on November 01, 2018, 08:00 AM
I found the first german dealer who has the new KAPEX KS 120 REB listet. There is written "available January 2019".
https://www.contorion.de/elektrowerkzeug/festool-kapp-zugsaege-ks-120-reb-kapex-63277105?q=ks%20120%20reb (https://www.contorion.de/elektrowerkzeug/festool-kapp-zugsaege-ks-120-reb-kapex-63277105?q=ks%20120%20reb)

The only change compared to the previous model (KS 120 EB) in the technical description i found was the Weight change to 23.1 kg (KS 12 EB had 21.5 kg).

More interesting is the new price. The current model (KS 120 EB) costs 1193,58 € including sales tax. The new model (KS 120 REB) has a 74,5 % higher price with 2082,90 € including sales tax. According to this price increase there has to be more new features accept the heavier weight.

Unfortunately there is no picture available.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grobkuschelig on November 01, 2018, 09:36 AM
Hi Tobias,

I think the price difference might come from the vendor putting in a higher price, as long as the part is not yet available.
This is quite common, to avoid having customers „pre-order“ before the final price is confirmed and having to pay the gap...

Also, pricing for the KS-120 EB currently ranges from 1.516,06€ to 2.482,34€ incl. sales tax on the Festool website, depending on the configuration. :)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grainhaus on November 01, 2018, 02:05 PM
NEW PICS from @Romfordtools on Instagram.

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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mrB on November 01, 2018, 08:14 PM
Does it look notably bigger to anyone else, compared to the current midi?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grainhaus on November 02, 2018, 12:48 PM
Thats the first thing I noticed, looks a lot taller than my regular Midi.

Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Svar on November 02, 2018, 12:56 PM
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ben_r_ on November 02, 2018, 03:18 PM
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.
Exactly. Membrane keypads like that are prone to failure and wearing through/out. Bad design choice IMO. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they hold up.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Peter Halle on November 02, 2018, 07:11 PM
when it comes to when tools will arrive to either NA or elsewhere I know that everyone loves to speculate and interpret but I would offer a caution that the document posted was not a public announcement and obviously changes can be made to whether or not to bring, timeframe if, etc.

peter
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on November 03, 2018, 10:22 PM
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.
Exactly. Membrane keypads like that are prone to failure and wearing through/out. Bad design choice IMO. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they hold up.
I agree with the dislike of membrane keypads and the benefit of tactile feedback from rotating knobs.

Nevertheless, one of my vacs had to make a trip through service as the seal around one knobs axis failed and water corroded the switch - in regard of being water proof the new design has benefits.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ceddy on November 05, 2018, 09:44 AM
I'm a gadget freak and a LCD display on a vacuum sounds over the top even to me, but I suppose when you're paying these prices for it we should demand that it be a color display  [big grin]

Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc.  Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair.  Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen.   My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc,  so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.

So true. I really don't care for all these screens in cars. Much less on tools.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: bwehman on November 05, 2018, 10:04 AM
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.

My guess is that due to that keypad, this might have some sort of IP water resistance rating.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jobsworth on November 05, 2018, 10:09 AM
TKS80 is intriguing as it indicates a deviation from the pull-saw CS50/70 varieties. Tisch-Kreis-Säge simply means "table(circular)saw" and the others are listed as "pull-saws" in german. It might share add ons from the CS70 and if so could be a potentially great small workshop saw? 

Oh well, the impact is on the shortlist. Unless they screwed it up like the Ti15 it is a welcome addition for me.
A cordless Vecturo is nice but I got that tool covered by another brand or two already.

HmmmI wonder if festool is now selling the saw stop under their own name as they recently aquired it and had one one at Festool connect ( still under the saw stop brand name).
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Jmacpherson on November 05, 2018, 01:56 PM
If anything new was at Festool connect 2018 the attendees won't share any material on social media/internet until those products have launched.

I was at a Festool roadshow here in South Africa mid October and the rep mentioned to us that he has something exciting (guess that means new?) to share with us but we have to wait about 3 months. So I'm guessing Jan 2019 product launches.

I don't need a Festool impact, have a great Makita already but if they get it right it will be very tempting.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on November 07, 2018, 05:23 PM
TKS80 is intriguing as it indicates a deviation from the pull-saw CS50/70 varieties. Tisch-Kreis-Säge simply means "table(circular)saw" and the others are listed as "pull-saws" in german. It might share add ons from the CS70 and if so could be a potentially great small workshop saw? 

Oh well, the impact is on the shortlist. Unless they screwed it up like the Ti15 it is a welcome addition for me.
A cordless Vecturo is nice but I got that tool covered by another brand or two already.



HmmmI wonder if festool is now selling the saw stop under their own name as they recently aquired it and had one one at Festool connect ( still under the saw stop brand name).

I didn't know Festool acquired Saw Stop, and that would make sense; offering a Festool table saw with the saw stop feature.
Will be quite expensive of course...
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on November 07, 2018, 05:24 PM
If anything new was at Festool connect 2018 the attendees won't share any material on social media/internet until those products have launched.

I was at a Festool roadshow here in South Africa mid October and the rep mentioned to us that he has something exciting (guess that means new?) to share with us but we have to wait about 3 months. So I'm guessing Jan 2019 product launches.

I don't need a Festool impact, have a great Makita already but if they get it right it will be very tempting.

I am covered with the Hitachi triple hammer but if Festool makes a really really nice one it would be hard to resist for me.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jimbo51 on November 07, 2018, 05:37 PM
TSK 80 with 210 or 260 mm blade?

If they include SawStop technology, I would guess 260 so as to minimize changes to cartridge.

Will they include a pull saw feature like Mafell or would that compete with Kapex too much?

What will be the advantage of the Festool saw in Europe where I assume the Bosch is still selling their flesh detecting blade stopping saw?

After underestimating the Woodpecker slab tool so much, I do not think I will try to guess the price of the TSK 80.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on November 07, 2018, 06:21 PM
TSK 80 with 210 or 260 mm blade?
Given festools model names of the past any numbers either denote power requirements (as with the routers) or cutting capacity (as with the TS). So my guess would be the 80 is ment in mm - as the TS 75 uses a 210mm blade and (in rail or CMS use) has 70mm capacity 210 would be too small, the 260mm one (that gives 88mm in the kapex and given a little deeper mounting of the axis as of the retract mechanic) could end up at 80mm.

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If they include SawStop technology, I would guess 260 so as to minimize changes to cartridge.
My guess is they will (it would be quite pointless to buy SawStop if they wouldn't use the technology) and I hope they'll use the same blades that go into the Kapex 88/120. That's at least what I would do as product manager: already existing consumeables both keep production/stocking costs down and do not turn off my customers by forcing to get yet another set of blades.

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What will be the advantage of the Festool saw in Europe where I assume the Bosch is still selling their flesh detecting blade stopping saw?
Bosch dosn't seem to sell them in Germany (havn't checked rest of Europe).
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Svar on November 07, 2018, 06:59 PM
I hope they'll use the same blades that go into the Kapex 88/120. That's at least what I would do as product manager: already existing consumeables both keep production/stocking costs down and do not turn off my customers by forcing to get yet another set of blades.
Miter (specifically SCMS) and table saw blades are not interchangeable. Because of the degree of freedom during the plunge and how the material is supported SCMS require different tooth geometry to prevent climbing. Even Kapex 60t universal blade has -5 deg. hook angle. Compare it to cross cut table saw blades, which are usually +5 deg. Specialty blades are also different.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on November 09, 2018, 03:43 PM
TSK 80 with 210 or 260 mm blade?

If they include SawStop technology, I would guess 260 so as to minimize changes to cartridge.

Will they include a pull saw feature like Mafell or would that compete with Kapex too much?

What will be the advantage of the Festool saw in Europe where I assume the Bosch is still selling their flesh detecting blade stopping saw?

After underestimating the Woodpecker slab tool so much, I do not think I will try to guess the price of the TSK 80.

I think the name gives away that it is not a pull saw, but a "regular" table saw.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Svar on November 09, 2018, 04:03 PM
I think the name [TSK] gives away that it is not a pull saw, but a "regular" table saw.
That would be unfortunate. Pull saw is a brilliant idea. You add cost and marginally weight, but don't compromise any other function by having pull capability.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Michael Kellough on November 10, 2018, 07:30 AM
Since buying an ATF 55 in 2003 I’ve only used my very good table saw for ripping stuff less than a foot wide, and very small stuff.

I’ve long thought a portable table saw, as a companion to a plunge cut circular saw, should be in the form of something like a short plank, about 14” wide and 3 feet long, width a pair of wheels on the outboard end.

The new narrow mft add-on would be a good housing for such a portable table saw.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: rst on November 10, 2018, 10:14 AM
Like Micheal, I also have a very good table saw...Powermatic 66 that I added a Jet sliding table (no longer available) and made it larger by adding 8020 2040 extrusions.  The only thing that I've use it for is thin rips and making slots for dividers using Freud's 1/4-3/8" slotting set.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Greenhoe on November 10, 2018, 06:54 PM
On eBay and Amazon a few Festool dealers are discounting the Kapex by 10% or more like they did with the previous tools each time a newer model came out so we should be hearing from Festool soon on the new Kapex.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: adrianp on November 14, 2018, 03:53 PM
I've been told that the new Kapex has a new lateral support system (added arms or something like this). Haven't seen it yet but I will probably soon.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Peter Halle on November 14, 2018, 06:01 PM
On eBay and Amazon a few Festool dealers are discounting the Kapex by 10% or more like they did with the previous tools each time a newer model came out so we should be hearing from Festool soon on the new Kapex.

If dealers in the US are discounting the Kapex then I suspect that they are doing it at their own risk.  I never trust ebay and Amazon prices advertised until the shopping cart number comes up.

Peter
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Bob Marino on November 24, 2018, 11:54 AM
when it comes to when tools will arrive to either NA or elsewhere I know that everyone loves to speculate and interpret but I would offer a caution that the document posted was not a public announcement and obviously changes can be made to whether or not to bring, timeframe if, etc.

peter

  Absolutely correct, Pete. As of now, Festool USA has made no announcement - or even hinting,  about what tools and accessories will become available here in 2019. All I do know for sure is that it will be a looooooooooong time before we get all the tools at the same time they are available in Europe.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: amcore on November 24, 2018, 06:06 PM
Here are the new Kapex KS 120 REB


https://www.festool.com.au/products/tools/sawing-oscillating/saws/sliding-compound-mitre-saws/ks-120/ks-120r-kapex-260mm-slide-compound-mitre-saw-set_5
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ChuckM on November 24, 2018, 06:48 PM
Smoking motor concern fixed?

Other than the side fences, what are the new or improved features as compared to the KS 120 EB?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on November 25, 2018, 12:51 AM
Laser seem to be gone (new one has a led shadow line). No clue if that's an improvement, in case it's the same module as the one in the KS 60 (where it's invisible in sunlight) then IMHO it's a downgrade.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Jmacpherson on November 25, 2018, 04:56 AM
Looks like they might have changed something because there is 250mm diamond blade listed as an accessory now which is not on the other Festool sites around the world.
https://www.festool.com.au/products/accessories-and-consumables/sawing-oscillating/saw/blades/cutting-steel/250mm-pcd-diamond-saw-blade-16-tooth_f28291

From my understanding and info I've been told by retailers/reps etc. you can only use a 260mm blade on the current version of the Kapex.

Its kerf is 2.2mm vs 2.6mm, bore is the same @30mm but I don't see how 0.4mm is preventing us from using smaller blades currently?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on November 25, 2018, 08:54 AM
Looks like they might have changed something because there is 250mm diamond blade listed as an accessory now which is not on the other Festool sites around the world.
https://www.festool.com.au/products/accessories-and-consumables/sawing-oscillating/saw/blades/cutting-steel/250mm-pcd-diamond-saw-blade-16-tooth_f28291

From my understanding and info I've been told by retailers/reps etc. you can only use a 260mm blade on the current version of the Kapex.

Its kerf is 2.2mm vs 2.6mm, bore is the same @30mm but I don't see how 0.4mm is preventing us from using smaller blades currently?
Compatibility listing contains the KS 88 (which is a 120 without laser) for that blade, so I guess they only list the new 120 R as the old (EB) one is discontinued.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on November 25, 2018, 11:14 AM
Smoking motor concern fixed?

Other than the side fences, what are the new or improved features as compared to the KS 120 EB?

Smoke will now be routed out thru the side fences to make it less distracting to the user  [tongue]

I would think Festool will have gone to extra measures to make sure there are no issues this time.  If they have failures on the new one, it will be a serious hit to them.  The big question will be who will step up to buy one first.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ChuckM on November 25, 2018, 01:29 PM

Snip.

Smoke will now be routed out thru the side fences to make it less distracting to the user  [tongue]

I would think Festool will have gone to extra measures to make sure there are no issues this time.  If they have failures on the new one, it will be a serious hit to them.  The big question will be who will step up to buy one first.

Not via some enhancement to the dust collection port? :P :P
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Bvps on November 26, 2018, 07:47 AM
new Festool Ctl Midi Video is out:
Video CTL Midi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIfqE6DCC-Q)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Jonny14 on November 26, 2018, 01:34 PM
Does the video show the sander battery with built in Bluetooth 🤔
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: neeleman on November 26, 2018, 01:39 PM
Yes, the BT logo on the battery of the DTSC 400 shows at 0:21.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/11972w4.jpg)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grobkuschelig on November 27, 2018, 08:07 AM
CTL Mini and Midi shown as „available from January“ on the German Festool website now.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Scorpion on November 28, 2018, 12:45 AM
when it comes to when tools will arrive to either NA or elsewhere I know that everyone loves to speculate and interpret but I would offer a caution that the document posted was not a public announcement and obviously changes can be made to whether or not to bring, timeframe if, etc.

peter

  Absolutely correct, Pete. As of now, Festool USA has made no announcement - or even hinting,  about what tools and accessories will become available here in 2019. All I do know for sure is that it will be a looooooooooong time before we get all the tools at the same time they are available in Europe.

Here’s what I don’t get - why can’t they announce 2019 releases in both US and European markets at the same time?  Couldn’t possibly be that difficult. 
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on November 28, 2018, 03:35 AM
I'm already testing in Blatná  [cool]  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WfJbYY4DNQ
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Alex on November 28, 2018, 05:50 AM
I can't believe they put a lid on top of the Midi AND made the knob to secure systainers an integral part of that. I use the top of my Minis constantly to store stuff when I'm working, and also very often change between the 27 and 36 mm hoses, and now I have to open and close a lid every time? Bonkers.

I'm not ever buying this version, that's for sure. Pretty sure my current Mini will last me another 10 years until Festool has figured out a lid in that place is not very productive. 
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mrB on November 28, 2018, 06:47 AM
Different opinions Alex. I MUCH prefer the new design. Keeps the hose in and gives me a flat surface to put things on.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on November 28, 2018, 07:19 AM
I can't believe they put a lid on top of the Midi AND made the knob to secure systainers an integral part of that. I use the top of my Minis constantly to store stuff when I'm working, and also very often change between the 27 and 36 mm hoses, and now I have to open and close a lid every time? Bonkers.
Would be a nice feature should T-loc systainers stick to the lid so it could be opened without having to take off what's ontop (like opening a T-loc in the middle of a stack), from watching the video it looks though that this isn't the case (as the back systainer feet seems to latch into the non-lid part of the top).
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Reiska on November 28, 2018, 08:32 AM
What is weird is that I found a wireless device authorization record for Kapex 120 REB on the Korean FCC site:

https://fccid.io/RR-FeS-KS120REB

This could indicate that the REB model might be battery powered with BT vacuum switching?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on November 28, 2018, 10:55 AM
Gregor:  Unfortunately, the systainer can not stay on the lid.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: neeleman on November 28, 2018, 10:58 AM
This could indicate that the REB model might be battery powered with BT vacuum switching?

Don't think so.
The battery powered machines like saws and others have the capital C in the name: HKC, TSC, PSC, RTSC, DTSC, ETSC, BHC, PDC, DRC, DWC and ISC. And the new 2019 models: DSC-AGC, AGC and OSC.
A battery powered Kapex should then be called KSC and that's not the case, but it's called KS 120 REB and KS 88 RE.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on November 28, 2018, 10:59 AM
Reiska: The new Kapex KS 120 has only side supports and angular units like the KS60. Nothing more
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: neeleman on November 28, 2018, 11:01 AM
And the shadow line instead of the laser.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on November 28, 2018, 11:51 AM
No. The laser remains.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jarbroen on November 28, 2018, 04:28 PM
It's gotta have fricken laser beams!
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on November 28, 2018, 06:09 PM
No. The laser remains.
What's the
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LED Spotlight

LED light for easy and precise positioning on the scribe mark.
doing on the features listing of https://www.festool.com.au/products/tools/sawing-oscillating/saws/sliding-compound-mitre-saws/ks-120/ks-120r-kapex-260mm-slide-compound-mitre-saw-set_5 then?

Gregor:  Unfortunately, the systainer can not stay on the lid.
Suspected that much from the video, thanks for checking.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on November 29, 2018, 10:03 AM
What's the
Quote
LED Spotlight

LED light for easy and precise positioning on the scribe mark.
doing on the features listing of https://www.festool.com.au/products/tools/sawing-oscillating/saws/sliding-compound-mitre-saws/ks-120/ks-120r-kapex-260mm-slide-compound-mitre-saw-set_5 then?

The same page also says "Dual line laser beams clearly mark the exact width of the cut for positioning the work piece from the left or right."
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on November 29, 2018, 04:42 PM
LED (as on KS 60) will not be.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on November 30, 2018, 01:19 AM
What's the
Quote
LED Spotlight

LED light for easy and precise positioning on the scribe mark.
doing on the features listing of https://www.festool.com.au/products/tools/sawing-oscillating/saws/sliding-compound-mitre-saws/ks-120/ks-120r-kapex-260mm-slide-compound-mitre-saw-set_5 (https://www.festool.com.au/products/tools/sawing-oscillating/saws/sliding-compound-mitre-saws/ks-120/ks-120r-kapex-260mm-slide-compound-mitre-saw-set_5) then?
The same page also says "Dual line laser beams clearly mark the exact width of the cut for positioning the work piece from the left or right."
Maybe someome should hint our friendly tool suppliers kiwi headquarter to remove the contradicting information from the technical data listing.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: amcore on December 01, 2018, 10:01 AM
Here are the rest of the news for januari 2019! 

https://www.dorchdanola.dk/festool-nyheder.html
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mrB on December 02, 2018, 06:26 AM
Hmmm, the two I was most interested in getting a peak at aren't there. . Grinder and Impact Driver.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: neeleman on December 02, 2018, 03:16 PM
Also missing a battery powered OSC Vecturo Multitool?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Summerson on December 02, 2018, 04:09 PM
What is new with the CS50?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: TinyShop on December 02, 2018, 07:07 PM
What is new with the CS50?

Looks like at the new version comes standard with a set of casters and fold down anti-tip outriggers. Curious if EKAT (when updated) will have just the casters (from the complete set of replacement legs - 575671) as spare parts since they would make for easy retrofit to MFT/3 and CMS.

There also appears to be maybe be something new with the miter gauge (at the very least it's sporting some new green stickers and perhaps also a re-designed hourglass extrusion) and there's also the addition of a mounting assembly for attaching the miter gauge to the improved cord reel when the latter is not in use. Wondering if the new cord reel is a) available as a spare part and b) retrofittable to the CMS? If it will allow the legacy CMS miter gauge to be snapped onto it that would be worth trying to import.

The bladeguard (and, by extension, riving knife) look to be redesigned. The legacy version is held in place with a single knob/bolt while the new one uses two. Perhaps there's an improvement with airflow to create better overhead dust collection?

Also, there is some change to the stubby legs (that the foldable legs attach to) - at the very least much more robust rubber feet and perhaps a new interface with the foldable/removable legs? Just guessing in regards to the latter. 
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on December 03, 2018, 08:50 AM
new Festool Ctl Midi Video is out:
https://youtu.be/LIfqE6DCC-Q?t=50

Do I see it correctly that the plastic part that holds the actual filter is a throwaway part?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on December 03, 2018, 05:43 PM
Yes  [wink]  https://www.naradionline.cz/hlavni-filtr-hf-ct-mini/midi-2-1ks.html
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: SRSemenza on December 04, 2018, 11:16 AM
Does it look notably bigger to anyone else, compared to the current midi?


     Measurements from the websites .............  L x W x H

      Current Mini = 430mm x 330mm x 422mm

      New Mini     =  470mm x 320mm x 455mm

      Current Midi = 430mm x 330mm x 470mm

      New Midi      = 470mm x 320mm x 495mm


Seth
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mal_lynam on December 08, 2018, 07:24 PM
Any word on a cordless planer coming out?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on December 09, 2018, 12:17 AM
Any word on a cordless planer coming out?

I think that’d be a stretch with the current cordless technology. Maybe in a few years? We’ve come a long ways within the last 2-3 years so it will inevitably happen.

Who would have predicted 2 years ago that cordless table saws, mitre saws and chain saws would become viable woodworking options?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Shane Holland on December 09, 2018, 01:36 AM
Any word on a cordless planer coming out?

I think that’d be a stretch with the current cordless technology. Maybe in a few years? We’ve come a long ways within the last 2-3 years so it will inevitably happen.

Makita, Hitachi, Milwaukee and Bosch all have cordless planers (https://www.toolnut.com/power-tools/planers/handheld.html?tn_power_source=Cordless) now.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on December 09, 2018, 09:57 AM
Makita, Hitachi, Milwaukee and Bosch all have cordless planers (https://www.toolnut.com/power-tools/planers/handheld.html?tn_power_source=Cordless) now.

Hey Shane, my statement had to do with Festool's battery platform. I own 2 Festool drills, an ETSC, a HKC & a TSC. I also own 2 Milwaukee Fuel RA grinders, a Fuel Sawzall, 2 Fuel drills, and the 1400 ft lb Fuel impact. 

The Milwaukee batteries just seem to last longer than the Festool variety. Tough to say for sure because the above tools are all different in nature.  [smile] 

I'm just always impressed with the Milwaukee battery life when after using the tool for an hour straight, I press the button to reveal the amount of charge left and there's still 75% there.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on December 09, 2018, 03:55 PM
Battery powered on tools that really need dust collection is a bit of a questionable need.  I suppose it's one less thing to tangle with.  I was happy to see the Festool hose plugs into my bosch planer, so no more hand holding a shop vac into it.

Doesn't surprise me these exist. We have hit the point where the batteries are so common/system that they will make everything they have work of them, if you are doing an update to the tool, no reason really not to make it battery powered. 

With festool though, it's not like they are a battery system like Milwaukee and others where they have massive family of tools using the same battery for a very long time now.  If Festool used Milwaukee M18 batteries, you would see a lot more take up I think.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jamanjeval on December 09, 2018, 08:00 PM
Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc.  Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair.  Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen.   My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc,  so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.

(touch)screens/electronics on devices are appropriate so long as they prove to be the best way for the operator to accomplish a task while maintaining as good or better reliability and safety.

I don’t know what Festool is going to do with the screen on the dust collector, so I can’t offer an opinion on it. But ultimately, the screen and electronics turn on a motor. That’s it. that shouldn’t be too hard to bypass if it were a choice between that and throwing it away. Knowing Festool, I think they’ll do something interesting and useful with the new bits and bobs that will be a significant improvement over a simple mechanical switch.

The technology you disapprove of, provide real tangeable benefits on modern tools. The soft start and variable speeds are good examples of the benefits. Milwaukee has taken things to the next level with some of their drills where they detect the drill bit getting locked up and shut down the tool before the handle starts to twist around and break your wrist or slam your hand against a joist.

I’ve had opportunitis to use some older (antique?) drills that only had a one speed motor controlled by a snap action switch. More or less they’re what you’re advocating for. They’re fun to look at with the shiny all metal bodies, sparks and aroma of the motor, but they’re not great  to use (not to mention the often poor ergonomics)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on December 09, 2018, 08:54 PM
Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc.  Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair.  Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen.   My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc,  so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.

(touch)screens/electronics on devices are appropriate so long as they prove to be the best way for the operator to accomplish a task while maintaining as good or better reliability and safety.

I don’t know what Festool is going to do with the screen on the dust collector, so I can’t offer an opinion on it. But ultimately, the screen and electronics turn on a motor. That’s it. that shouldn’t be too hard to bypass if it were a choice between that and throwing it away. Knowing Festool, I think they’ll do something interesting and useful with the new bits and bobs that will be a significant improvement over a simple mechanical switch.

The technology you disapprove of, provide real tangible benefits on modern tools. The soft start and variable speeds are good examples of the benefits. Milwaukee has taken things to the next level with some of their drills where they detect the drill bit getting locked up and shut down the tool before the handle starts to twist around and break your wrist or slam your hand against a joist.

I’ve had opportunities to use some older (antique?) drills that only had a one speed motor controlled by a snap action switch. More or less they’re what you’re advocating for. They’re fun to look at with the shiny all metal bodies, sparks and aroma of the motor, but they’re not great  to use (not to mention the often poor ergonomics)

This isn't a question of stopping improvements. I'm all for them and the advances that can be made.  That doesn't mean everything new or different is good.  Some changes are very good, some are very bad.  Touch screens are not an improvement.  In the case of things like cars they are flat out deadly and should have been banned from the start.  They will be banned in time, but until then people will continue to die on roads from the distraction caused by them verses simple knobs that people don't even have to look at.  Currently car makers don't want to give up on them because of the cost savings from them.

A screen like this has no place on a tool like a vacuum.

People like new things and advancement, but often they get packaged with bad improvements, but since they come together you are forced to buy the bad in order to get the good.  Which then gets viewed as people liking everything about the new thing.  This is becoming an increasing problem as people find themselves wanting something, or maybe even just needing to replace something that wore out/failed etc.  They find themselves in the in-pass. They don't have a choice to by the new thing, but it has stuff they don't want.  We see this in all sorts of products now.  "smart" this and that, or wi-fi in something where no one wants it, but non-wi-fi version doesn't exist.  Or a built in camera/microphone/fingerprint scanner built into a device when many people don't want those, yet the only products without are junk.

Tools are tools, they aren't suppose to be trendy or have the gimmick of the month, they are suppose to be designed for the long run.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on December 10, 2018, 03:29 AM
From what I understand, the "touch screen" on the CTM Midi allows you to select the size of hose attached so that the airflow detection required for M Class works correctly. I also understand that there are RFID tags in the hoses so that this can be automatically selected for you based on the hose in use. If there was a manual switch for hose size, this would not work. So moving to an electronic function has an added benefit.

Also, it's not really a "touch screen" per se as you would associate with a tablet or phone etc. It's a panel operated by touch. I think the original German to English translations ended up being a little misleading.

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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on December 10, 2018, 09:54 AM
that just sounds like they over complexed the problem.  Adding RFDI tags into every hose?   Also airflow is dependant on more than just the size of a hose, length, clogging, the tool, etc matter too.  A vacuum relay in the vacuum would have done the job. Soon as the machine is working to hard, shut it off.  Works for cars/furnaces/etc  should have been fine here.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jonathan-m on December 10, 2018, 10:41 AM
The only improvement I would have liked to see is better motor/suction and a return to the non-locking hose ends and connectors.
At the very least that would have been progress in the ease of use and performance of the tools, rather than more cosmetic lipstick and gimmicks.
(the new filter change without opening the vac and manual cleaning are nice additions too I suppose…) but those hose connectors…
god, I hate them, i hate them with an unhealthy passion!
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Bert Vanderveen on December 10, 2018, 01:13 PM
that just sounds like they over complexed the problem.  Adding RFDI tags into every hose?

Modern production and inventory systems use RFID tags, so FS may just use a choice they already made to build upon for new features.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on December 10, 2018, 02:04 PM
From what I understand, the "touch screen" on the CTM Midi allows you to select the size of hose attached so that the airflow detection required for M Class works correctly.
Looking at the picture I don't see a button to select the suction, only a selector for hose diameter.

Is that an improvement?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: neeleman on December 10, 2018, 02:22 PM
The large +/- buttons are for selecting suction, that's for sure.
Hose size is selected, maybe only with the RFID chip in the new hoses?
Thus changing to an old hose with other diameter doesn't work?
(https://www.festool.nl/-/media/tts/festool/festool/landingpages/2018/ct-compact-mini-midi/bluetooth-800x450px.jpg?as=1&h=225&iar=1&thn=0&w=400&hash=DB66AD4E917EB41D8D824DDD409E6DF74A116751)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on December 10, 2018, 03:09 PM
The large +/- buttons are for selecting suction, that's for sure.
Is that speculation from your part or hands-on experience?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: neeleman on December 10, 2018, 03:18 PM
At this moment it's speculation, but within 3-4 weeks I can confirm this because I ordered the new CTL Midi model.
Look at the picture below: all horizontal green bars are lid, so maximum suction and done with the +/- buttons.
What else are these buttons for?

(https://scontent.fams1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46636084_1910742215639900_7128134956613632000_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fams1-1.fna&oh=99b4c10e5258686321ef7d2e42237b55&oe=5C642462)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Phil Beckley on December 10, 2018, 03:22 PM
.....hose diamter can be set or be done automatically. The hos seize os printed on the screen
Rg
Phil
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mrB on December 10, 2018, 05:07 PM
Having seen how covered in paint, plaster, glue etc some people's CTs get... I hope this touch button screen can hold up to years of being scrubbed clean..
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on December 10, 2018, 09:51 PM
Having seen how covered in paint, plaster, glue etc some people's CTs get... I hope this touch button screen can hold up to years of being scrubbed clean..

I think I see the membrane plastic starting to crack and split before it made it thru the photo shoot :P .


Modern production and inventory systems use RFID tags, so FS may just use a choice they already made to build upon for new features.

yes, they are everywhere, not that it's a great thing, but if it means you have to have the latest hoses for it to work it's a problem. What if you have old hoses, or hoses from a different manufacture, etc.  You don't want to end up like Kerig putting RFDI tags in coffee pods to lock out 3rd parties.  Or what if the tag isn't molded into the hose but is stuck on it someplace.  Then folks do the normal thing and remove them like you do anytime you have a tool apart, now suddenly it doesn't work.

From what I understand, the "touch screen" on the CTM Midi allows you to select the size of hose attached so that the airflow detection required for M Class works correctly.
Looking at the picture I don't see a button to select the suction, only a selector for hose diameter.

Is that an improvement?

Just wait for the North American version,   instead of 50, 36, 27, 21   we get  1-24/25  1-2/5 , 1-1/16 etc.     I'm still looking for a tape measure that will read out 7-2/3" so I can set the rear stop on my MFT/3 per Festool's manual.

I just don't get this design verses a knob.

Also when you press the "Man" button, does he show up right away, or how does this work, and can there be a Woman button? I know the big CTs say "man" too, but I don't think they were space constrained here.  More than one person is going to get busted on from their buddies for pressing "the man button".
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on December 11, 2018, 12:18 AM
Just wait for the North American version,   instead of 50, 36, 27, 21   we get  1-24/25  1-2/5 , 1-1/16 etc.  I'm still looking for a tape measure that will read out 7-2/3" so I can set the rear stop on my MFT/3 per Festool's manual.

LOL...and if you find one of those tape measures, let me know because I need one to set my HKC that reads out in inches but only indexes in millimeters.  [eek] [eek]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on December 11, 2018, 04:44 PM
At this moment it's speculation, but within 3-4 weeks I can confirm this because I ordered the new CTL Midi model.
Look at the picture below: all horizontal green bars are lid, so maximum suction and done with the +/- buttons.
What else are these buttons for?

(https://scontent.fams1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46636084_1910742215639900_7128134956613632000_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fams1-1.fna&oh=99b4c10e5258686321ef7d2e42237b55&oe=5C642462)

Before starting, press the +/- buttons to adjust the hose diameter. Startup with +/- buttons sets the power.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on December 12, 2018, 05:25 PM
Start selling CTM MIDI in March 2019  [huh]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on December 19, 2018, 07:34 AM
Festool have just posted an image on Twitter and confirmed (I assume) that the TKS 80 will be "live" at the BAU Fair in January!

Translated from the tweet - "The first drawing of the #SawStop technology in a new #Festool machine. At the fair BAU from the 14th to the 19th. January you can experience it live."

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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Peter Halle on December 19, 2018, 07:44 AM
@GarryMartin ,   Thanks for posting that.  That is cool!

Peter
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jimbo51 on December 19, 2018, 09:01 AM
TSK 80 is maybe modular. There will be a short base for table top mounting and a tall base for floor level. Perhaps a rigidity enhanced MFT option also.

Interesting that they decided to keep it totally quiet until a few weeks until unveiling.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grobkuschelig on December 19, 2018, 09:26 AM
I don’t know if this information has surfaced here already, but the new compact Bluetooth batteries have also been officially announced.

For both, Sanders and Drills etc.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181219/29531c8bd70a3de101be63fd8ca64560.jpg)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grobkuschelig on December 19, 2018, 09:29 AM
Festool have just posted an image on Twitter and confirmed (I assume) that the TKS 80 will be "live" at the BAU Fair in January!

Translated from the tweet - "The first drawing of the #SawStop technology in a new #Festool machine. At the fair BAU from the 14th to the 19th. January you can experience it live."

(Attachment Link)

Also the text in the picture translates to:
“Sichtbare Sawstop Anzeige” - visible sawstop indicator
“Wandmontage ermöglicht“ - possible to be mounted to the wall.


Sorry for the rough translation.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Michael Kellough on December 19, 2018, 09:53 AM
Festool have just posted an image on Twitter and confirmed (I assume) that the TKS 80 will be "live" at the BAU Fair in January!

Translated from the tweet - "The first drawing of the #SawStop technology in a new #Festool machine. At the fair BAU from the 14th to the 19th. January you can experience it live."

(Attachment Link)

Sure is a tease.

If SawStop tech was incorporated it is more likely to be approved by UL.

On the other hand, the arrow is pointing at a green strip (looks similar to plastic glide strips on guide rails) a considerable distance from the blade.

So, what does it all mean?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Bert Vanderveen on December 19, 2018, 09:55 AM
On the other hand, the arrow is pointing at a green strip (looks similar to plastic glide strips on guide rails) a considerable distance from the blade.

So, what does it all mean?

"Visible SawStop Indicator", whatever that may be…
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on December 19, 2018, 07:12 PM
On the other hand, the arrow is pointing at a green strip (looks similar to plastic glide strips on guide rails) a considerable distance from the blade.

So, what does it all mean?

"Visible SawStop Indicator", whatever that may be…
Displays the list price of the now needed replacement parts when you triggered the system ;)
Jokes aside, I think it'll be a clearly visible indicator that the system is active, like lighting up that strip.

Looking forward to the table saw, especially as (given the name) it'll have 10mm more cut capacity than the CMS with TS-75.
I just fear the pricing will be prohibitive.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on December 19, 2018, 09:11 PM
Am I the only person who has "a-ha - take on me" get stuck in ones head looking at this image?


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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Rollin22Petes on December 19, 2018, 09:24 PM
Well I wasn't but I am now that really takes me back. I wonder how many younger people would have no idea what your talking about. 
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Fogy on December 21, 2018, 03:58 AM
Any news on the impact drill - ill be at Bau in January so will post a few pictures of the saw & hopefully impact drill !? 
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Roachmill on December 21, 2018, 04:29 AM
Am I the only person who has "a-ha - take on me" get stuck in ones head looking at this image?
I didn't... until now. Thanks a bunch [wink] People will surely be hunting high and low for the saw once released  [embarassed]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on December 21, 2018, 05:15 AM
Just posted by @bunnysbolts on Twitter... UK availability

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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on December 24, 2018, 04:13 AM
Am I the only person who has "a-ha - take on me" get stuck in ones head looking at this image?


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#metoo  [big grin]


As I predicted (though it was not that hard) the TKS 80 is not a pull saw but a "regular" fixed blade table saw. If it shares components with the existing CS 70 it will be very interesting. I can't see why not?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on December 24, 2018, 04:17 AM
It seems like I can order the feet for the SYM70 to my old existing one. It will bring it up to SYS 1 level. That is great, thanks Festool!
That seems to be the only difference between the new and the old though. In the physical catalogue the feet are listed as an accessory for the previous model. :)

On the other hand that Impact I've been pining for - for years - seems to be a somewhat elusive unicorn at the moment.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on December 24, 2018, 12:06 PM
I'm really curious if they will make a variation that fits in the CMS and offer it in N.A. since they don't offer the TS modules in N.A.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on December 26, 2018, 06:08 AM
Looks like the KAPEX KS 120 REB photos and details are starting to appear...

Extra class down to the last detail.

Strengths and benefits:
Main applications:
Technical specifications:

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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grbmds on December 26, 2018, 11:34 AM
Just curious  . . . Do the specs show improvements over the previous model? Like motor? Any others? I don't know the specs from the previous generation and, given FOG feedback, there seems to be at least some question about durability of the motor. I know at least 2 people who have never had a problem that they didn't cause, but  . . . just wondering if Festool has made improvements that others believe are significant.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on December 26, 2018, 11:59 AM
Just curious  . . . Do the specs show improvements over the previous model? Like motor? Any others? I don't know the specs from the previous generation and, given FOG feedback, there seems to be at least some question about durability of the motor. I know at least 2 people who have never had a problem that they didn't cause, but  . . . just wondering if Festool has made improvements that others believe are significant.

Don't know for sure, the limited electrical specs that they list are the same as for the original Kapex. It just appears to be cosmetic changes.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jronman on December 26, 2018, 11:55 PM
Any word on the new cordless Vecturo and cordless grinder. Found a screenshot of the technical info of the Vecturo. not sure if anyone has posted this yet. It is from a different forum I am also apart of. http://forum.toolsinaction.com/topic/14416-new-vecturo-spotted/?tab=comments#comment-201155
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on December 27, 2018, 04:59 AM
Just curious  . . . Do the specs show improvements over the previous model? Like motor? Any others?

The new models aren't on EKAT yet so difficult to tell whether any parts have been replaced/updated/are different. All will become clear within the next month I would think.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on December 27, 2018, 05:03 AM
Any word on the new cordless Vecturo and cordless grinder. Found a screenshot of the technical info of the Vecturo. not sure if anyone has posted this yet. It is from a different forum I am also apart of. http://forum.toolsinaction.com/topic/14416-new-vecturo-spotted/?tab=comments#comment-201155

Nothing I've seen yet other than the model names. I'd expect them to be released in the second half of 2019 so news will likely trickle out between now and then.

The TKS 80 table saw is going to be at a woodworking show in Munich in January, and that's not available in the first half of the year to my knowledge, so it's always possible there may be other "new" tools being shown there too.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: harry_ on December 27, 2018, 09:51 PM
Seems they also moved the storage location for the miter gauge. I have hated the original location since day one of owning!
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on December 28, 2018, 08:04 AM
Seems they also moved the storage location for the miter gauge. I have hated the original location since day one of owning!
What I don't like is that I have to remember the orientation in which to insert it (it fits only one way), apart from that it works.

I'm not certain about the new storage location (at the back) being a better solution though, will it reliably hold the miter gauge in place when folded down on the UG cart and is accessibility, regardless of the current miter setting, better than being able to put it into a hole at the front?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cadde on January 01, 2019, 07:21 AM
Hello,
new Kapex is now online.
https://www.festool.de/produkte/saegen/kapp-zugsaegen/575302---ks-120-reb
Happy new Year to all
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on January 01, 2019, 09:45 AM
Here's the UK 110 volt version. Unfortunately the REB version is not in Ekat yet.  [sad]

https://www.festool.co.uk/products/sawing/sliding-compound-mitre-saws/575305---ks-120-reb-gb-110v
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: neeleman on January 01, 2019, 09:47 AM
Strangely these new Kapex saws are not mentioned under New Products?
Maybe because these are updated R-models?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mal_lynam on January 02, 2019, 04:12 PM
Any word on the new cordless Vecturo and cordless grinder. Found a screenshot of the technical info of the Vecturo. not sure if anyone has posted this yet. It is from a different forum I am also apart of. http://forum.toolsinaction.com/topic/14416-new-vecturo-spotted/?tab=comments#comment-201155
Looks like there going with the smaller batteries as in the Ergo 3.1ah batteries. Wonder what kind of runtime there getting out of them? How do the the sanders fare out with them?

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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: BrianSometimes on January 02, 2019, 09:25 PM
The tail end of the Vecturo in the screenshot looks very similar to the tail end of a PSC 420 with its standard non-ergo battery inserted and seen from above, though - same protrusions left and right of the main body.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Harly on January 03, 2019, 07:02 AM
TKS 80?
Festool table saw with sawstop (https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t66.18014-6/10000000_383038942465921_6961845190881612307_n.mp4?_nc_cat=109&efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6Im9lcF9oZCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.xx&oh=42e309b71a7b345a6e3fc7a7965be952&oe=5C8F7262)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on January 03, 2019, 08:31 AM
The tail end of the Vecturo in the screenshot looks very similar to the tail end of a PSC 420 with its standard non-ergo battery inserted and seen from above, though - same protrusions left and right of the main body.

Ano  [smile] Vecturo OSC 18 is a brother Fein SuperCut AFSC 18 QSL. It uses classic accumulators Festool 18V  3,1Ah-6,2Ah  [smile]

https://www.naradionline.cz/aku-oscilacni-bruska-fein-supercut-afsc-18-qsl-select.html
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DynaGlide on January 03, 2019, 08:41 AM
TKS 80?
Festool table saw with sawstop (https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t66.18014-6/10000000_383038942465921_6961845190881612307_n.mp4?_nc_cat=109&efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6Im9lcF9oZCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.xx&oh=42e309b71a7b345a6e3fc7a7965be952&oe=5C8F7262)

I mean that kind of has to be it. Pretty excited to see this little guy especially with that dust collection. I guess I have to start saving up for the $3k they'll charge.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: infer on January 03, 2019, 08:56 AM
I wish they invested some time in fixing the crappy CS-CMS fence.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Jmacpherson on January 03, 2019, 10:27 AM
The REB models are also showing on SA Festool website along with a new crown stop attachment #203356 but the old version seems to still be compatible. New one looks like it might work with the UG cart based on the photos.

Interestingly enough, the C18/T18 Sets have new numbers and have a "new" on their page for that option.
However nothing has changed inside?

This is on the SA site and UK Festool website (uk still lists old option, sa not) - I assume most sites are the same globally
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on January 03, 2019, 11:07 AM
C18/T18 change the charger. Old version of SET - charger SCA 8. New version of SET - charger TCL6.
Saws are now equipped with a battery Bluetooth.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on January 03, 2019, 11:33 AM
I wish they invested some time in fixing the crappy CS-CMS fence.

Couldn't agree more.

On the upside, it looks like the TKS 80 therefore shares table and profile dimensions with the CS 70 and MFT-3/VL so will be able to utilise other accessories such as the extension tables and sliding table etc.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: neeleman on January 03, 2019, 03:09 PM
Here's a design sketch of the ON/OFF switch for the upcoming TKS 80 with SawStop technology.
(https://scontent.fams1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48398104_1939779172736204_6909557757318266880_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fams1-2.fna&oh=9d7bf78608c30a68c5ee959968c2e9a4&oe=5CD71579)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Svar on January 03, 2019, 03:30 PM
TKS 80?
Festool table saw with sawstop (https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t66.18014-6/10000000_383038942465921_6961845190881612307_n.mp4?_nc_cat=109&efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6Im9lcF9oZCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.xx&oh=42e309b71a7b345a6e3fc7a7965be952&oe=5C8F7262)
In the demo they even made dado for the hot dog in the test board  [eek] ... Germans...
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DynaGlide on January 03, 2019, 03:38 PM
Here's a design sketch of the ON/OFF switch for the upcoming TKS 80 with SawStop technology.
(https://scontent.fams1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48398104_1939779172736204_6909557757318266880_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fams1-2.fna&oh=9d7bf78608c30a68c5ee959968c2e9a4&oe=5CD71579)

Where. .do you even find this?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: six-point socket II on January 03, 2019, 04:00 PM
Hi!

That was posted to the official Festool Facebook page about 3 hrs ago. :)

https://www.facebook.com/festoolDE/photos/a.427454727043/10157173944007044/?type=3&theater

Kind regards,
Oliver
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on January 03, 2019, 04:22 PM
I guess I have to start saving up for the $3k they'll charge.
darn, there goes the holiday this year...
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: infer on January 05, 2019, 03:26 AM
Any place I can download 2019 catalogue? More than 10 Festool tools purchased in 2018 and no catalogue in the mail.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on January 05, 2019, 09:18 AM
https://www.festool.de/wissen/newsletter ;-)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: tobiaskurz on January 06, 2019, 09:52 AM
new video from Festools SawStop version (probably TKS 80) on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/FestoolFanFrance/videos/357857161430342/ (https://www.facebook.com/FestoolFanFrance/videos/357857161430342/)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on January 06, 2019, 10:58 AM
new video from Festools SawStop version (probably TKS 80) on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/FestoolFanFrance/videos/357857161430342/ (https://www.facebook.com/FestoolFanFrance/videos/357857161430342/)

That video is pretty impressive, thanks for posting.  [smile]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: TinyShop on January 06, 2019, 11:05 AM
new video from Festools SawStop version (probably TKS 80) on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/FestoolFanFrance/videos/357857161430342/ (https://www.facebook.com/FestoolFanFrance/videos/357857161430342/)

Let's give the original clandestine leaker the credit - that video was already linked to three days ago - see reply #159 on: January 03, 2019, 07:02 AM.

Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on January 06, 2019, 03:17 PM
Looks like a nice saw, can't help but think it would not steer me off from the pull saws considering the small-ish table.
Probably too expensive to justify as an on site saw - probably some weight penalty too - and I would probably gasp at the price with the much needed add ons to even bring it close to the convenience of a good sturdy table saw for stationary use.

I applaud the effort, it will appeal to some I guess. Blade is 10" and 254mm - hopefully not a proprietary hole mount.

It looks like the CS70 parallel fence on the video - which would make sense. Not sure if the table looks wider than the CS70? That would mean no compatibility with the CS70 VL due to width but the VB table should fit since the LA fence fits... 
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: tallgrass on January 06, 2019, 03:31 PM
Not sure if cost is an object. This tech will become mandatory, legally and from a regulatory point of view.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on January 06, 2019, 05:05 PM
Not sure if cost is an object. This tech will become mandatory, legally and from a regulatory point of view.

I wouldn't bet on it.  People have thought that for a long time, hasn't happened.  Anytime you start mandating destructive features in a product that doesn't go over well.  Even when it is for safety, it doesn't go over well.  Airbags in cars were not mandated by law until the late 90s, well after they had become standard in all cars.  While hot dog protection systems I think are appreciated by many, I don't think very many folks want it forced on them, and definitely not when there is a destructive/consumable aspect to it when it goes off.  Get the design to be done completely by electric braking or similar where it's just a reset and go on, then it would be a bit different.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: cpw on January 06, 2019, 05:08 PM
The Bosch Reaxx Design does not damage the blade.  I can see that once patents run out, and there are clones on the market it becoming standard and eventually required.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Peter Halle on January 06, 2019, 05:53 PM
Please note that this is purely speculation on my part.  I have no knowledge of Festool plans or marketing direction.

I can see that the legal system in North America will force global manufacturers to in the future build initially to that standard and then either offer those products as-is to other worldwide markets or else subtract some components where they feel the additional "benefit" will be not accepted.

I can't foresee a mid size tool company like Festool tying up production resources to do other.  After all their parent company holds the patents and licensing now becomes a matter of switching money from one pocket to another per say. A safer tool in any country will be more readily accepted than a less safe.

Of course I might be crazy.

Peter
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: TinyShop on January 06, 2019, 06:00 PM
Looks like a nice saw, can't help but think it would not steer me off from the pull saws considering the small-ish table.
Probably too expensive to justify as an on site saw - probably some weight penalty too - and I would probably gasp at the price with the much needed add ons to even bring it close to the convenience of a good sturdy table saw for stationary use.

I applaud the effort, it will appeal to some I guess. Blade is 10" and 254mm - hopefully not a proprietary hole mount.

It looks like the CS70 parallel fence on the video - which would make sense. Not sure if the table looks wider than the CS70? That would mean no compatibility with the CS70 VL due to width but the VB table should fit since the LA fence fits...

I think we can all agree that the TS 80 uses either the same "chassis" (what I'm calling that which is comprised of two "portals" as Festool calls them - the cast alloy sets of two stubby legs - and two "side walls" (which connect the two sets of stubby legs together to make a four legged frame) common to the CS 70 and CS 50 or that of the CMS and that, therefore, all of the relevant accessories will be compatible. This is simply a case of a company taking something that already exists - a four legged "chassis" - and fitting a new part to it in order to make a new product (in this case, a table saw with a SawStop or SawStop-inspired arbor assembly). Not rocket science. 
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on January 06, 2019, 11:02 PM
Please note that this is purely speculation on my part.  I have no knowledge of Festool plans or marketing direction.

I can see that the legal system in North America will force global manufacturers to in the future build initially to that standard and then either offer those products as-is to other worldwide markets or else subtract some components where they feel the additional "benefit" will be not accepted.

I can't foresee a mid size tool company like Festool tying up production resources to do other.  After all their parent company holds the patents and licensing now becomes a matter of switching money from one pocket to another per say. A safer tool in any country will be more readily accepted than a less safe.

Of course I might be crazy.

Peter

Where problems get real tricky is when "safety" conflicts from country to country.  This happens.  Car industry faces this where you can't do lowest/highest common denominator of design as sometimes the requirements of different countries conflict as they either just don't have a common design space, or the countries view the safe design different.  As a result companies have to do multiple design, and re-certify.  This is slowly becoming less the case, but still comes up.  From looking in the past,  table saws have some of this.  The US (and I assume Canada) have a different idea on how to make tools safe from the Europeans. You can't make the same same saw work in both places. I think this is what leads to the CMS saw modules not being in the US. As there would be no anti kickback dogs when using a TS .  In general I think the EU has better idea on safety on tables saws. I don't see the US changing.

Also just picture the moaning from people if hot dog protection what mandated.  People would moan of big government, freedom, say they are going to stock pile old saws and so forth.  No different than we have seen with lightbulbs, furnaces, wood stoves, fuel cans and so forth.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on January 07, 2019, 09:47 AM
I think this is what leads to the CMS saw modules not being in the US. As there would be no anti kickback dogs when using a TS
Which would be stupid easy to add through a slightly changed holder for the dust shroud, or am I wrong with that?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on January 07, 2019, 10:26 AM
People would moan of big government, freedom, say they are going to stock pile old saws and so forth.  No different than we have seen with lightbulbs, furnaces, wood stoves, fuel cans and so forth.

Once the lightbulb announcement was made, my neighbor, who owns several large apartment buildings, went out and purchased cases & cases & cases of incandescent light bulbs.

He recently asked me to do a quick cost analysis for him and I determined that if he were to substitute LED light bulbs, he would save in a year, just in electricity costs, what he spent on the incandescent lightbulbs.  [eek]

Not to mention what he saves in not replacing a light bulb every 3000-4000 hours.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on January 07, 2019, 03:42 PM
Looks like a nice saw, can't help but think it would not steer me off from the pull saws considering the small-ish table.
Probably too expensive to justify as an on site saw - probably some weight penalty too - and I would probably gasp at the price with the much needed add ons to even bring it close to the convenience of a good sturdy table saw for stationary use.

I applaud the effort, it will appeal to some I guess. Blade is 10" and 254mm - hopefully not a proprietary hole mount.

It looks like the CS70 parallel fence on the video - which would make sense. Not sure if the table looks wider than the CS70? That would mean no compatibility with the CS70 VL due to width but the VB table should fit since the LA fence fits...

I think we can all agree that the TS 80 uses either the same "chassis" (what I'm calling that which is comprised of two "portals" as Festool calls them - the cast alloy sets of two stubby legs - and two "side walls" (which connect the two sets of stubby legs together to make a four legged frame) common to the CS 70 and CS 50 or that of the CMS and that, therefore, all of the relevant accessories will be compatible. This is simply a case of a company taking something that already exists - a four legged "chassis" - and fitting a new part to it in order to make a new product (in this case, a table saw with a SawStop or SawStop-inspired arbor assembly). Not rocket science.

I do agree.

I think the concept is good and obviously Festool sees a market to cater for with the TKS. I personally think it will be way overpriced and less interesting than the CS70EB pull saw or the Mafell Erika 85EC - for my purposes.

Festool does not need my approval or disapproval. 

The Precisio saws add some value with their versatility, that's what sold me on those saw systems. Agile and fairly accurate - with the usual caveats for portable light weight saws.

Except for the safety feature of the TKS 80 which I don't fancy paying extra for -  it is still "just" a semi portable 10" table saw and handling of sheet goods will never be as comfortable or accurate as with a larger saw. Seen a fair share of both Erikas and Precisios with sheet goods being rammed through them with less than stellar precision... ...sometimes user error, sometimes lack of handling ergonomics that are present on small, light weight saws which does prevent them from being suitable for accurate/repeat processing of nominal sized sheet goods. 

I am not sure the new Festool will even top any of the DeWalt / Metabo / Bosch etc for handling sheet goods. I am sure the build will be excellent though! 

Still, when I see one in the flesh I might fall in love with it and actually get one - I am not ruling that out. Working on outfitting a new shop this year with some colleagues and we will have at least one smaller table saw in the shop, at the moment it is the Erika 60, the big dawg in the shop is a huge digital Felder with 3200mm sliding table weighing in around... ...850-900kg?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on January 07, 2019, 07:28 PM
People would moan of big government, freedom, say they are going to stock pile old saws and so forth.  No different than we have seen with lightbulbs, furnaces, wood stoves, fuel cans and so forth.

Once the lightbulb announcement was made, my neighbor, who owns several large apartment buildings, went out and purchased cases & cases & cases of incandescent light bulbs.

He recently asked me to do a quick cost analysis for him and I determined that if he were to substitute LED light bulbs, he would save in a year, just in electricity costs, what he spent on the incandescent lightbulbs.  [eek]

Not to mention what he saves in not replacing a light bulb every 3000-4000 hours.

 [sad]  yup.  This is why more and more groups have learned, don't pitch something as "environmental" instead pitch it as "cost savings",  as there is a large subset of the population who will purposely do the opposite of something if it is pitched as good for the environment.  Similar mindsets exist for safety.

Of course now they have done studies that showed groups like cities didn't use the cost savings from LED as savings or put the funds elsewhere, they just used it to buy and install more lights, now light pollution is worse than ever.

Safety features tend to have a cost, and often some level of PITA to them.  GFCI/AFCI tech is an example.  Most appreciate not being electrocuted or have their house burn to the ground due to bad wiring or putting a nail in a wire hanging a painting.  Yes, they cost more money, and they do false trip at times.  This fuels people to be anti them.  And just gives fuels to builder groups to get them removed from code claiming the "cost" to consumers. So it becomes a bad downward spiral.  In the end, if everyone has to put them in, no builder is at a cost dis-advantage to the next buider, and the cost issue isn't because the tech exist or is required, the issue is those making the rules didn't mandate standardization/interchangeability of breakers at the same time. If you could mix and match brands of breakers that 45 dollar AFCI would be way cheaper in a hurry as people just put an "breaker king brand: arc-master" breaker in instead of a Name brand that matches the brand of the panel in the house.

Making sure when things like some sort of new tech or safety device is mandated that standardization/interchangeability is mandated with it solves a lot of these issues.  This is the key.  If you saw "saw stop" is mandated, you have an issue.  If you say "saws must stop/or remove blade from path of flesh within 1 nano-second of detection and be fully reset able without replacement of parts" you will have solutions produced with little issue. And manufactures would probably jointly share the development cost to just get it done and move on.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: AndrewG on January 08, 2019, 08:27 AM
Just wondering if the 18V impact driver has been confirmed? And if so, when we might get some more information. Thanks
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on January 08, 2019, 09:33 AM
Making sure when things like some sort of new tech or safety device is mandated that standardization/interchangeability is mandated with it solves a lot of these issues.  This is the key.  If you saw "saw stop" is mandated, you have an issue.  If you say "saws must stop/or remove blade from path of flesh within 1 nano-second of detection and be fully reset able without replacement of parts" you will have solutions produced with little issue. And manufactures would probably jointly share the development cost to just get it done and move on.
I fully agree to this. While saw stop is a step into the right direction it would be better if the feature would be destruction free to both limbs and the saw.
The reasoning behind that is simple: the knowledge that tripping the feature equals to this days pay (or more) being gone (plus having to carry spares for the blade and mechanism) gives incentive to employ the 'cost saving' method of disabling the mechanism... which completely defeats the whole idea.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on January 08, 2019, 09:45 AM
Just wondering if the 18V impact driver has been confirmed? And if so, when we might get some more information. Thanks

It's confirmed (by virtue of appearing in a product list) but no news on availability or specifications yet.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on January 08, 2019, 10:50 AM
I fully agree to this. While saw stop is a step into the right direction it would be better if the feature would be destruction free to both limbs and the saw.
The reasoning behind that is simple: the knowledge that tripping the feature equals to this days pay (or more) being gone (plus having to carry spares for the blade and mechanism) gives incentive to employ the 'cost saving' method of disabling the mechanism... which completely defeats the whole idea.

That's the reason the Reaxx is so nice...[crying] [crying] [crying]  Bosch really did build a better mousetrap as far as blade safety is concerned.

Instead of costing $250 per event it's only $50 per event.  [big grin]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: JimH2 on January 08, 2019, 02:17 PM
Making sure when things like some sort of new tech or safety device is mandated that standardization/interchangeability is mandated with it solves a lot of these issues.  This is the key.  If you saw "saw stop" is mandated, you have an issue.  If you say "saws must stop/or remove blade from path of flesh within 1 nano-second of detection and be fully reset able without replacement of parts" you will have solutions produced with little issue. And manufactures would probably jointly share the development cost to just get it done and move on.
I fully agree to this. While saw stop is a step into the right direction it would be better if the feature would be destruction free to both limbs and the saw.
The reasoning behind that is simple: the knowledge that tripping the feature equals to this days pay (or more) being gone (plus having to carry spares for the blade and mechanism) gives incentive to employ the 'cost saving' method of disabling the mechanism... which completely defeats the whole idea.

Whenever the safety brake is tripped you need to stand down for the rest of the day and let someone else use the tablesaw. It would be great if the blade was not damaged, but I could care less since I still would have my fingers. I have just about 30 years of experience on a tablesaw and have only had one incident which was on my SawStop after having owned it for a little over 8 years. I did not have a spare brake, but I do have a blade. I chose to stand down and get other work done while awaiting a new brake. SawStop sent me a free in exchange for the photo of the save, which was a nickel width groove a little less than an 1/8" deep. Healed up quickly.

I'll challenge you on manufacturer's stepping up to invent technology that will make their product cost significantly more with the exception of SawStop who chose to compete at the top of chain. Bosch was late to the game because they saw money to be made, potential for future legislation mandating it and/or reduction in liability (personal responsibility seems to be getting less and less). I have not used the Bosch, but have seen it. SawStop has a proven track record and has more backing for future developments now that TTS owns them. Bosch has much deeper pockets and will probably beat them to the punch in terms of miniaturization and application to portable tools.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: cpw on January 08, 2019, 02:39 PM
I've had a Sawstop for about 8 years, no brake activations [either fingers or other mistakes].  If you're saving a finger, then it is fine to have $250 for a blade + cartridge and losing time (much less time than an amputation).

I think the bigger difference with the destructive nature of the Sawstop vs. Reaxx is about false trips (because of a miter gauge or whatever) costing $250 instead of $50.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: RKA on January 08, 2019, 07:31 PM
https://youtu.be/6DWVdcmRD44 (https://youtu.be/6DWVdcmRD44)

The whole table moves when the blade killer activates.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Peter Halle on January 08, 2019, 07:38 PM
Are you talking about the jerking?  If so, I would expect that based on the portability and hopefully lack of weight.  And physics.

Peter
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ChuckM on January 08, 2019, 08:53 PM

I fully agree to this. While saw stop is a step into the right direction it would be better if the feature would be destruction free to both limbs and the saw.
The reasoning behind that is simple: the knowledge that tripping the feature equals to this days pay (or more) being gone (plus having to carry spares for the blade and mechanism) gives incentive to employ the 'cost saving' method of disabling the mechanism... which completely defeats the whole idea.

I have yet to come across any SawStop owners who disable their finger-saving technology in order to save costs. To disable the safety feature to cut metals or wet wood, yes, but to do so to avoid triggering the safety technology in a normal operaton is news to me. A better way to save costs is to sell the SawStop and get any other cabinet saw.

If someone is an employee and disables the safety feature (for not activating the SawStop and not for cutting wet wood or metal) without management approval, they could be violating their company safety policy or regulations that could lead to disciplinary measures including termination. I know at least one woodworking company that clearly states that failure to comply with the company safety regulations is a valid cause for instant dismissal.

I started using the SawStop around 2006 and have become an owner myself since 2014. I have not had one single close or remote call with any tablesaw during my whole hobby life of woodworking that began in the 90s. I am planning to keep that track record till the end.

Now, I hope Festool will develop the SawStop technology for its Kapex one day.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ChuckM on January 08, 2019, 09:03 PM
Snip.
The whole table moves when the blade killer activates.
That was impressive compared to the 450 - 600 pound SawStop cabinet saws.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: RKA on January 08, 2019, 09:07 PM
Are you talking about the jerking?  If so, I would expect that based on the portability and hopefully lack of weight.  And physics.

Peter

Yes and yes.  That’s a lot of momentum to stop.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ChuckM on January 08, 2019, 09:09 PM
Snip.
That's the reason the Reaxx is so nice...[crying] [crying] [crying]  Bosch really did build a better mousetrap as far as blade safety is concerned.

Instead of costing $250 per event it's only $50 per event.  [big grin]

From a half-glass full perspective: the much higher activation expense should encourage a SawStop owner or user (if pay is to be deduced) to be even more vigilant when using the saw. I have a woodworker II in my saw, and I would be very upset with myself if I ruined it due to any unsafe or careless operation I do.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on January 08, 2019, 11:16 PM

I fully agree to this. While saw stop is a step into the right direction it would be better if the feature would be destruction free to both limbs and the saw.
The reasoning behind that is simple: the knowledge that tripping the feature equals to this days pay (or more) being gone (plus having to carry spares for the blade and mechanism) gives incentive to employ the 'cost saving' method of disabling the mechanism... which completely defeats the whole idea.

I have yet to come across any SawStop owners who disable their finger-saving technology in order to save costs. To disable the safety feature to cut metals or wet wood, yes, but to do so to avoid triggering the safety technology in a normal operaton is news to me. A better way to save costs is to sell the SawStop and get any other cabinet saw.

If someone is an employee and disables the safety feature (for not activating the SawStop and not for cutting wet wood or metal) without management approval, they could be violating their company safety policy or regulations that could lead to disciplinary measures including termination. I know at least one woodworking company that clearly states that failure to comply with the company safety regulations is a valid cause for instant dismissal.

I started using the SawStop around 2006 and have become an owner myself since 2014. I have not had one single close or remote call with any tablesaw during my whole hobby life of woodworking that began in the 90s. I am planning to keep that track record till the end.

Now, I hope Festool will develop the SawStop technology for its Kapex one day.

I think you missed some context, this was in the context of if "hot dog protection" was mandated on all saws. You have no choice but to buy a saw with it.   In that situation people will certainly keep it off all the time. No different than clamping lawn mower engine stops, latching seat belts and sitting on them, pulling fuses on airbags, oversizing fuses in electric panel, etc.

Also it's not that people don't appreciate spending 250bucks to no loose a finger. If it goes off when it was needed, that's great and people will be glad it did.  But when it goes off when it shouldn't, that becomes a big issue.  When people get concerned of a false trip so they turn it off for a lot of situation that it will be fine now it's becomes in-effective. And sadly a not that small sub-set of the population purposely defeats safety features simply because they are anti-safety features.

People want such a safety system,  they also don't want to be out a lot of money when it goes off un-needed.  This is the heart of why ever manufacture hasn't gone with such a system without being forced too by law.  They don't want to loose sales and have them go to vendors without it because folks decide they are safe users and do not want a false trip.  It's often bad business to be an odd ball even if realistically what you offer is better.  Back to cars, no basic family hauler needs over 150hp. Yet now most cars are well over 200 and large number of them into 300hp.  Car makes could make a high mileage car simply by dropping a cheap, solid, well made 120hp engine in a car. It would be great for folks.  It would also tank massively on the market because all the cars it competes with are 240hp and no one wants to buy the "under powered" car.  Sure, there will be a subset that will buy the car because of what it is, maybe even pay more for it.  But just like "saw stop" type saws, while there is a market for them for some, it's also something that possibly the majority of the population would refuse to buy, cost be damned, they don't want it.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ChuckM on January 08, 2019, 11:29 PM

Snip.

I think you missed some context, this was in the context of if "hot dog protection" was mandated on all saws.

Guilty as charged. I did not go further up the chain of conversation.  [embarassed]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: simonh on January 09, 2019, 05:53 AM
New Kapex KS 120 REB video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEXPUkYw1AE
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: tobiaskurz on January 09, 2019, 11:37 AM
I found pictures from the new OSC 18 wich seems to be available from April (in Germany).

[attachimg=1]
The second picture shows a new dust shroud for over head work.
[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ben_r_ on January 09, 2019, 11:46 AM
Its too bad they didnt buy the Bosch system as the ability to retract the blade twice per cartridge AND not damage the blade at all is a much better option.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on January 09, 2019, 12:09 PM
New Kapex KS 120 REB video
Nice how quiet they managed to make it.  [tongue]

I found pictures from the new OSC 18 wich seems to be available from April (in Germany).
Having been that secretive about new stuff lead to one less sale, now that I have one from the competition I don't need theirs.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: French_Fan on January 09, 2019, 02:10 PM
I found pictures from the new OSC 18 wich seems to be available from April (in Germany).

(Attachment Link)
The second picture shows a new dust shroud for over head work.
(Attachment Link)

Hey! But you're really too good at it! How did you find it? And most importantly... where did you find it?????
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mal_lynam on January 09, 2019, 04:48 PM
Oh thank god, there using that still of battery.

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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ART at WORK on January 13, 2019, 06:52 AM
Hi,
I just got a Festool newsletter saying they will be presenting the new SawStop table saw at a trade fair in Munich starting tomorrow (14.01.)

So maybe we get to see some videos of the machine in action soon. And when it will be available and the price. Or it's just another teaser.

Pip
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: JD2720 on January 13, 2019, 08:04 AM
I found pictures from the new OSC 18 wich seems to be available from April (in Germany).

(Attachment Link)
The second picture shows a new dust shroud for over head work.
(Attachment Link)

I was looking forward to the cordless model, but I see they have gone to the Starlock blade attachment. I will stick with my Vecturo.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on January 13, 2019, 01:32 PM
I was looking forward to the cordless model, but I see they have gone to the Starlock blade attachment. I will stick with my Vecturo.
What's your issue with starlock?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Vince7040 on January 13, 2019, 07:20 PM
Looking at the photos of the cordless Vecturo it appears that the adapter needed to use the Festool attachments won't fit the cordless version. The corded model has a flat surface where the adapter attaches. Unless they have redesigned the adapter, it may not work with this version. That would be unfortunate.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: JD2720 on January 13, 2019, 09:25 PM
I was looking forward to the cordless model, but I see they have gone to the Starlock blade attachment. I will stick with my Vecturo.
What's your issue with starlock?

I do not have an issue with starlock. My issue is that starlock oscillating tools only take starlock blades. On my current vecturos, I can use almost every style blade made for oscillating tools including the starlock blades.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: neeleman on January 14, 2019, 12:07 PM
It's here in real life!
The new CTL Midi I.
Can somebody rotate this picture?
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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: six-point socket II on January 14, 2019, 12:25 PM
[attachimg=1]

Kind regards,
Oliver
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on January 14, 2019, 03:34 PM
Doesn't one of the events where the TKS 80 is due to be shown start today? Anyone seen it? Any photos or more information?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Peter Halle on January 14, 2019, 04:57 PM
Somewhere I read there might be something in Munich today.    [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]


Peter
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: iSP on January 14, 2019, 07:37 PM
Found this on instagram. https://www.instagram.com/p/BsnJGaqghuh/

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: SRSemenza on January 15, 2019, 12:34 AM
Dust collection plunge base.  I like it!

Seth
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grobkuschelig on January 15, 2019, 03:29 AM
I like it!
I do want it!

Hopefully it fits the Supercut.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: French_Fan on January 15, 2019, 10:35 AM
For the TKS 80 nothing more for the moment than the official Festool video for the BAU building event .
https://www.facebook.com/festoolDE/videos/2395054803901122/
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: JimH2 on January 15, 2019, 11:38 AM
Anyone want to guess the price of the table saw?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: JimH2 on January 15, 2019, 11:45 AM
Not sure if cost is an object. This tech will become mandatory, legally and from a regulatory point of view.

I wouldn't bet on it.  People have thought that for a long time, hasn't happened.  Anytime you start mandating destructive features in a product that doesn't go over well.  Even when it is for safety, it doesn't go over well.  Airbags in cars were not mandated by law until the late 90s, well after they had become standard in all cars.  While hot dog protection systems I think are appreciated by many, I don't think very many folks want it forced on them, and definitely not when there is a destructive/consumable aspect to it when it goes off.  Get the design to be done completely by electric braking or similar where it's just a reset and go on, then it would be a bit different.

Just like safety vests, body harnesses, and helmets. No one regularly uses them until they are required by your company or the law. Cars affect almost everyone so airbag rules make sense (though they have been take to the extreme and we are beyond the point of diminishing returns). Exact features on tools, probably not anytime soon. It will happen when this solution or another can get into the sub $500 saws. At that point manufacturers will probably give up add them to their lineup while at the same time dropping the $99 junk from the market.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: travisj on January 15, 2019, 12:07 PM
For the TKS 80 nothing more for the moment than the official Festool video for the BAU building event .
https://www.facebook.com/festoolDE/videos/2395054803901122/
I saw some pictures on Instagram this morning


https://www.instagram.com/p/BsqTlDXAQi4/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=197kvcvwd8jxv



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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Fogy on January 15, 2019, 02:04 PM
Hi all,

Was at the festool stand at BAU in Germany for quite some time and got chatting to a great guy:

Tried the new vecturo 18v using the 3.1sm battery, the head is made by fein off the super cut but armature and electronics made by festool. It works great with the same +- 2mm oscillation of the super cut and can be used with all cutting blades with star lock. There are a few new accessories with vaccum attachments etc. I did compare it to the fein, as fein where on the next stand, it’s longer and narrower so easier to grip but didn’t seem very balanced. Vibration was low but there was very little overmolding of softer rubber as done on the drills/saws to dampen micro vibrations more. Maybe this will be added on the final production units. It also seems quieter that the presious one...

Now the big news, the guy confirmed that the impact driver will happen in 2019 in Europe, they have been testing it for a long time but it has been realesed due to the 3 year service warranty.. in testing they find that most other impact drivers fail after 2 years due to anvil damage of impact damage to bearings. Until they have a design that will last at least 3 years they will not release it - apparently they now have such a solution and it might be realised in March/April but more likely in September. He also mentioned it will be available in the USA shortly after.

Lastly the new sawstop saw was also on demo and looked a brill unit but it won’t be cheap !!

Sorry wasn’t allowed to take images of the vecturo ..
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on January 15, 2019, 10:09 PM



Now the big news, the guy confirmed that the impact driver will happen in 2019 in Europe, they have been testing it for a long time but it has been realesed due to the 3 year service warranty.. in testing they find that most other impact drivers fail after 2 years due to anvil damage of impact damage to bearings. Until they have a design that will last at least 3 years they will not release it - apparently they now have such a solution and it might be realised in March/April but more likely in September. He also mentioned it will be available in the USA shortly after.


Guess I should make my Milwaukee aware it's 4x over due for death and it's almost certainly my most used powertool.

Seriously what is the eagerness for a Festool impact driver?  I get tools that tie in with dust collection and rail system and cms systems.  But a tool that is no different and what every brand makes for cheap.  There can't be many folks out there who's only run the Festool battery system. That would be the only real case I can see where someone would want one.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on January 15, 2019, 11:30 PM
Seriously what is the eagerness for a Festool impact driver?  I get tools that tie in with dust collection and rail system and cms systems.  But a tool that is no different and what every brand makes for cheap.  There can't be many folks out there who's only run the Festool battery system. That would be the only real case I can see where someone would want one.

I agree...Milwaukee makes impacts that are 1/4", 3/8", 7/16", 1/2" and 3/4" drive. They will produce 50 ft#, 200 ft#, 400 ft#, 750 ft#, 1100 ft# and 1400 ft# of torque. They are offered in positive detent and hog ring configurations, There are conventional mechanical drive and hydraulic drive versions in both small 12 volt and the larger 18 volt versions. Most of them are also programmable.

Meanwhile everyone is quietly sitting on their thumbs, anxiously waiting for Festool to release their single variant of an impact driver?

What am I missing?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: TinyShop on January 16, 2019, 12:58 AM
Perhaps wanting to support an ethically-produced tool (over the sweatshop-produced equivalent) means more to more people than I thought. If so, that is a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Cheese on January 16, 2019, 01:01 AM
Perhaps wanting to support an ethically-produced tool (over the sweatshop-produced equivalent) means more to more people than I thought. If so, that is a pleasant surprise.

Point well taken.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: tobiaskurz on January 16, 2019, 10:31 AM
At the fair BAU in Munich festool showed a Prototype of a tablesaw with SawStop integration. Most parts fromm the saw wehre manufactured by rapide prototyping methods. This shows in wich early steps of development they are. They hope to be able to deliver it in 2020. The price to change the blade and cartridge was forecasted with around 200€. The Price from the saw it self is still a big surprise ... .
Askt for the acquisition from Shapertools we got the information that they hope to be able to bring it to the european market with in this year. As they mention the biggest problem is to build up a strong customer service.
The new cordless Vecturo will replace the current corded one completely. Sadly the old mounting plate for the accessories like the plunge base is not compatible with the new tool.   
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Fogy on January 16, 2019, 05:09 PM

Was also given this - it’s so cool !

Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: BrianSometimes on January 16, 2019, 06:16 PM
Aw, look at its little handle.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on January 16, 2019, 10:16 PM
Perhaps wanting to support an ethically-produced tool (over the sweatshop-produced equivalent) means more to more people than I thought. If so, that is a pleasant surprise.

Yes, and this is why I don't have a huge issue with festool pricing and so forth when folks complain about that.  But still, these are commodity tools and not all made in bad wage/condition places.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on January 17, 2019, 10:44 AM
fogy:    ;) https://www.naradionline.cz/micro-systainer-t-loc-festool-blue.html
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jronman on January 17, 2019, 09:31 PM

Seriously what is the eagerness for a Festool impact driver?  I get tools that tie in with dust collection and rail system and cms systems.  But a tool that is no different and what every brand makes for cheap.  There can't be many folks out there who's only run the Festool battery system. That would be the only real case I can see where someone would want one.

I would expect it will have interchangeable heads/chucks which no other impact currently offers (that I know of) except the discontinued T15 impact also by Festool. That to me sounds different than other brands of impacts. I doubt it will have the raw power of the big guys but who cares. An impact driver doesn't need impact wrench power.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jronman on January 17, 2019, 10:32 PM
I was looking forward to the cordless model, but I see they have gone to the Starlock blade attachment. I will stick with my Vecturo.
What's your issue with starlock?

I do not have an issue with starlock. My issue is that starlock oscillating tools only take starlock blades. On my current vecturos, I can use almost every style blade made for oscillating tools including the starlock blades.

I could see, as a cost savings, for someone to go with blades that aren't Starlock, but apart from the cost aspect of it, why would you want to use blades that aren't Starlock? Most anything available with other OMT connection systems like grinding, cutting, scraping, and sanding are available with Starlock.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on January 18, 2019, 01:56 AM
I was looking forward to the cordless model, but I see they have gone to the Starlock blade attachment. I will stick with my Vecturo.
What's your issue with starlock?

I do not have an issue with starlock. My issue is that starlock oscillating tools only take starlock blades. On my current vecturos, I can use almost every style blade made for oscillating tools including the starlock blades.

I could see, as a cost savings, for someone to go with blades that aren't Starlock, but apart from the cost aspect of it, why would you want to use blades that aren't Starlock? Most anything available with other OMT connection systems like grinding, cutting, scraping, and sanding are available with Starlock.

I still have 70+ quality Supercut blades. All I need is a working adapter and then I am set for years and years to come. And I have that adapter. :)  When the blades run out or if I need a specialty blade I don't already have I will go Starlock. I have nothing against Starlock, just that the original Supercut works so well I don't care as long as it fits the machine with no issues. :)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Alex on January 18, 2019, 02:08 AM
I could see, as a cost savings, for someone to go with blades that aren't Starlock, but apart from the cost aspect of it, why would you want to use blades that aren't Starlock? Most anything available with other OMT connection systems like grinding, cutting, scraping, and sanding are available with Starlock.

The cost saving are HUGE. Fein's prices are beyond ridiculous. I buy blades from a cheap brand, Werckmann, and they cost 1 euro a piece and they last as long as blades Fein charges 40 euro for.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Havwoods Accessories Ltd on January 18, 2019, 04:00 AM
Had a Great Time at Bau as always.
Thought I'd post few pics of the NEW Vecturo.
Really looks an awesome bit of kit and being a FEIN dealer i'd like to think this will give the Cordless supercut a run for its money.
(It was on public display and i was shown it by the Demonstrator who held it for me to take pics) [smile] [big grin]
[attach=1][attach=2][attach=3][attach=4][attach=5]
Very Impressed! Can't wait to have them in the UK!
Also the new CS:
[attach=6][attach=7][attach=8][attach=9][attach=10]
Hope these are of interest to those with a passion for new stuff!
Tried to get as many pics as I could but the stand was very busy!


Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Roachmill on January 18, 2019, 04:27 AM
Thanks for the photos. The Vecturo looks pretty nice: cordless :-*, dust extraction :) and... a depth-stop for the plunge base [eek] Would like to have seen a paddle switch on it though.

Back in reality, I shudder to think what a full set with batteries will cost [crying]

Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: BrianSometimes on January 18, 2019, 01:23 PM
Looks like pages for the old corded Vecturo have been pulled from festool.de (and my local .dk) - there are still Vecturo plus and set search suggestions but they result in page errors. Corded Vecturo is still up on festool.com, though.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: grobkuschelig on January 18, 2019, 02:04 PM
In the past new products were announced end of January/beginning of Feb.
Or June or in autumn.

I hope they also pull the cordless grinder out of their hats.
Maybe with the new BOSCH „starlock“ for grinders, as someone showed pictures...
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on January 19, 2019, 05:41 AM
Looks like pages for the old corded Vecturo have been pulled from festool.de (and my local .dk) - there are still Vecturo plus and set search suggestions but they result in page errors. Corded Vecturo is still up on festool.com, though.

The old corded Vecturo is no longer produced. Only stock of sellers is sold.  ;)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: wleingang on January 19, 2019, 08:25 PM
Perhaps wanting to support an ethically-produced tool (over the sweatshop-produced equivalent) means more to more people than I thought. If so, that is a pleasant surprise.

Yes this is specifically why I’m waiting on a Festool Impact driver. Also why I buy Festool whenever I need a new tool. Not to mention having a single battery platform is akin to sticking to a prescribed diet: Can be painful at times but ultimately worth the cost.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mrB on January 20, 2019, 07:57 AM
I'm curious to see the angle grinder. I wonder weather there will be anything unusual about it given Festool's rhetoric about not producing tools unless they bring something new to the game. . .
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: harry_ on January 20, 2019, 05:32 PM
I'm curious to see the angle grinder. I wonder weather there will be anything unusual about it given Festool's rhetoric about not producing tools unless they bring something new to the game. . .

Put dust collection on a sawzall. That would be new to the game!
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Dave_B on January 28, 2019, 01:01 PM
Is there any way of knowing when these items are scheduled for release in the US?  I’ve emailed/called a few retail outlets about the Midi, but they either don’t know or they have no idea what I’m talking about.  [smile]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Shane Holland on January 28, 2019, 01:03 PM
Is there any way of knowing when these items are scheduled for release in the US?  I’ve emailed/called a few retail outlets about the Midi, but they either don’t know or they have no idea what I’m talking about.  [smile]

@Dave_B, I know what you're talking about. You're just calling the wrong dealers, ha.  [tongue]

Give us a buzz at Tool Nut if you ever have questions. We keep up-to-date on all of the latest news about Festool.

No official word from Festool USA on when or if we will see the updated versions of the MINI / MIDI. If I had to take a guess, I would say we might see them closer to mid-year.

Shane
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Dave_B on January 28, 2019, 11:50 PM
Oof.  Thanks Shane.  I'm a master at procrastination, but I may have to pull the trigger if it takes that long.  Thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on February 04, 2019, 11:14 AM
News  [smile]

https://www.festool.de/produkte/oszillieren/akku-oszillierer-vecturo-osc-18/574851---osc-18-li-3,1-e-set

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxRnXyedxVI&feature=em-uploademail
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on February 06, 2019, 04:45 PM
 [smile]  https://youtu.be/JXGCgoUDico?t=6
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: andy412 on February 10, 2019, 06:39 AM
Does anyone know if they made any improvements electrical wise to the Kapex 120 REB?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: ceddy on February 11, 2019, 10:29 AM
Oh that CS looks nice. Hopefully the fence is good as that was the crappy part of the CMC table set up and the reason I sold it...
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: parrishwoodworks on February 11, 2019, 11:00 AM
@andy412

I'm curious of this myself. Ready to pull the trigger on a new Kapex, but if a new/updated one is coming out I will hold off...
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: andy412 on February 12, 2019, 06:15 AM
@parrish74

Same, but willing to hold off if another one isn’t far away, it’s quite a lot of money so I’d want it too last a far while. Waiting for reviews on the new model  :)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: TinyShop on March 05, 2019, 12:46 AM
Video of the updated CS 50:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOpr1gLVCbg
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: TinyShop on March 13, 2019, 11:13 AM
Video of updated CS 70:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25jvb4CfgwY
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: bwehman on March 13, 2019, 04:39 PM
What's the air filter looking thing under the table for?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: TinyShop on March 13, 2019, 07:37 PM
What's the air filter looking thing under the table for?

It's an intake air filter. Has come standard on the CS 70 for as long as I've been aware of them (and likely much longer).
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Svar on March 13, 2019, 07:57 PM
It's an intake air filter.
Intuitively it makes sense, although wondering why no other power tool has an intake filter.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: harry_ on March 13, 2019, 08:45 PM
I am guessing that we can expect to NEVER see the CS here in the states?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: rst on March 13, 2019, 08:48 PM
Harry...you silly boy...depends on how long you live
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Svar on March 13, 2019, 08:55 PM
Harry...you silly boy...depends on how long you live
People don't live that long.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: harry_ on March 13, 2019, 09:22 PM
 [big grin]
Harry...you silly boy...depends on how long you live
People don't live that long.
[big grin]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jellyroll on March 21, 2019, 11:15 PM
I'm new to Festool and this forum and plan to buy a Kapex (USA model). Given the motor failure reports, I thought it prudent to wait for a redesign since I'm in no rush. Comparing Kapex KS 120 EB and new KS 120 REB for changes to the motor, it looks to me like the REB version motor housing part number is different. The field assembly is the same on both models but the "end shield" assembly is different. Am I missing something, or misinterpreting EKAT? 
http://ekat.festool.de/EKAT-Service/jsp/main.jsp?sig=56CC3D73122735D7FE807124AE1352D22F10CDE8A1028C0EC8163446B4C7E3077569338A3E408BDAF3D5039D78BB336F8E1C0F63E8D573A4329C116789F1699E&doAction=catalogAssy&k_vari=&k_ver=&image=-2&k_lfdnr=&nodeId=21

Apologies in advance if I'm not following forum rules.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DashZero on March 22, 2019, 05:20 AM
Here are other part differences


I'm new to Festool and this forum and plan to buy a Kapex (USA model). Given the motor failure reports, I thought it prudent to wait for a redesign since I'm in no rush. Comparing Kapex KS 120 EB and new KS 120 REB for changes to the motor, it looks to me like the REB version motor housing part number is different. The field assembly is the same on both models but the "end shield" assembly is different. Am I missing something, or misinterpreting EKAT? 
http://ekat.festool.de/EKAT-Service/jsp/main.jsp?sig=56CC3D73122735D7FE807124AE1352D22F10CDE8A1028C0EC8163446B4C7E3077569338A3E408BDAF3D5039D78BB336F8E1C0F63E8D573A4329C116789F1699E&doAction=catalogAssy&k_vari=&k_ver=&image=-2&k_lfdnr=&nodeId=21

Apologies in advance if I'm not following forum rules.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jronman on May 05, 2019, 11:00 PM
Anymore word of the updated TS55 and TSC55 or the cordless Kapex?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: demographic on May 06, 2019, 02:07 AM

Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc.  Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair.  Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen.   My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc,  so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.

That's pretty much my take on it.
Some cars are coming out where theres a lot of essential day to day workings routed through those touchscreens and I dont want them at all.
It's just been done to reduce cost and sold as a luxury. Fail.
It also means the owner has less chance of repairing them without taking the car to a garage.
I don't mind it on aftermarket sterios, cos at the end of the day I can take it to Halfords and get another one bought and fitted for a hundred and thirty quid, or just live without a stereo for a while, it won't kill me.

On powertools? Think I just prefer a knob to turn.

Still, at least Festool listened about the impact screwdriver and as long as its not got that stupid flappy belt hook contraption I've seen on some of their drills I might even buy one.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Michael Kellough on May 06, 2019, 10:06 AM
@demographic  did you see what the touchscreen on the Shaper Origin allows?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Gregor on May 10, 2019, 03:27 PM
@demographic  did you see what the touchscreen on the Shaper Origin allows?
Slightly different use case, don't you think?

Needing that kind of configuration options on a dust collector would indicate a design failure.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: DeformedTree on May 10, 2019, 09:26 PM
@demographic  did you see what the touchscreen on the Shaper Origin allows?

Not the same thing at all.  My computer wouldn't be very useful without a screen, it works better with a screen than a series of blinking lights I have to decode.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mrB on May 13, 2019, 05:17 AM
Where's this cordless grinder then?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mal_lynam on May 18, 2019, 02:44 PM
Where's this cordless grinder then?
Isn't that the burning question........and maybe the impact driver.....

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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on June 28, 2019, 02:21 PM
follow #systainia   [wink]  https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/systainia/  Festool AGC 18
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on June 28, 2019, 02:31 PM
Technical parameters FEIN = Festool  [big grin] https://www.naradionline.cz/aku-uhlova-bruska-fein-ccg-18-125-bl.html
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: mrB on June 29, 2019, 04:11 AM
Nice. I'm happy to see it has speed control. It will double nicely as a cordless Sander for certain tasks :)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: jronman on July 01, 2019, 09:22 AM
I wonder what cool features the grinder has.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: GarryMartin on July 01, 2019, 09:37 AM
AGC 18 video on Facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/ddsmagazin/videos/2183495308608928/

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Duck76 on July 19, 2019, 09:32 PM
Looks like the grinder and Vecturo will be available October 1st.

(At least in Canada)

https://www.atlas-machinery.com/searchresults/search-results/?lp=Festool%20Oct%201%20Pre-Order%20Items&utm_campaign=July%2019th%2C%202019%20%28JnFv3X%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Engaged%20%283%20Months%29&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJ0eWxlcmJvcmdlc0BtZS5jb20iLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJNOHRDSmoifQ%3D%3D
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Bob D. on July 19, 2019, 10:19 PM
Can a metal cutting blade be used on the AGC-18?
Cold cut not the abrasive type.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: LooseSox on July 20, 2019, 01:17 AM
Angle grinder would spin way too fast to use a cold cut blade on. Even dialling the speed down, the potential to use it at a higher speed would be a huge safety risk.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Bob D. on July 20, 2019, 07:08 AM
I found the DSC-AGC 18 manual on the UK site and confirmed the tool is not intended for the following uses or with these accessories/attachments. This list is not all inclusive, you should read the manual.

- Do not attach a saw chain, woodcarving blade, or toothed saw blade. Such blades create frequent kickback and loss of control.

- Do not use accessories that require liquid coolants. Using water or other liquid coolants may result in electrocution or shock.

- Operations such as grinding, sanding, wire brushing, polishing or cutting-off are not recommended to be performed with this power tool.

- This power tool is designed to be used as an abrasive cutting machine.

So it looks like you are limited to dry cutting of masonry/cement/tile/engineered quartz, etc. No surface grinding of these materials is allowed with this tool.

No cutting of metal using cold cut (toothed) blades, abrasive cutting only = lots of sparks but a spark trap is no longer available from Festool.

The DSC-AGC 18 can not be used for sanding or grinding are verboten per the manual. There is nothing that I saw in the manual that says otherwise or if you get conversion kit xxx for an additional $$$ you are OK to do surface grinding and sanding.

So does that mean you need to buy the AGC-18 to do surface grinding or that you have to buy the proper guards and other kit to use the DSC-AGC 18 for grinding and sanding. I ask because underneath the two tools seem identical and it's only the guard/attachments that differentiate them from one another.

Which (if at all) should/can I use for tuck pointing. If I need to cut out mortar joints is either tool acceptable for this use and if so with what accessories.

When I look at the Makita XAG17ZU which is also a 125mm/5" variable speed (3000-8500 RPM) grinder I can get accessories to do the job of both the AGC-18 and the DSC-AGC 18 and it also has BT capability to communicate with their 36v cordless HEPA Vac. The Makita grinder plus a pair of 5AH batteries is about $350, the cordless HEPA vac (which can also be powered from the mains as a corded tool) with a dual battery charger and a pair of 5AH batteries is another ~$825.



Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Michael Kellough on July 20, 2019, 10:26 AM
AGC 18 video on Facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/ddsmagazin/videos/2183495308608928/

(Attachment Link)

What is the tool on the left? Surely not the same as the others with the arbor on the right side...?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Michael Kellough on July 20, 2019, 10:42 AM
@Bob D. Amazon has a bundle (https://www.amazon.com/Makita-Brushless-Extraction-Grinding-Extractor/dp/B07BH1QRK8?th=1) of that Makita tool, basic dust shroud, and cordless vac for $736 (bring your own batteries)
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: six-point socket II on July 20, 2019, 10:45 AM
Hi Bob,

I think the DSC-AGC is simply not meant to be dismantled, and retrofitted with AGC parts (on site). And with the shroud on, it's not suitable for the tasks mentioned. From a manufacturers standpoint that makes sense.

As a user, I'm looking at it the same way as you do. I also would like to know if it is possible to safely turn the DSC-AGC into an AGC if needed/wanted. (Or vice versa if one got the AGC.) As I also suspect they are the same "underneath the hood" so to speak. ;)

But I guess the official answer to that will be, understandably, no. ;)

For the mortar joints I'd say the DSC-AGC with the dust collection shroud will be superior, but obviously you can do it with the AGC, too. I don't think that using any of the two on this type of work would violate any guidelines/rules set out by the manuals.

Kind regards,
Oliver

Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Bob D. on July 20, 2019, 02:00 PM
@Bob D. Amazon has a bundle (https://www.amazon.com/Makita-Brushless-Extraction-Grinding-Extractor/dp/B07BH1QRK8?th=1) of that Makita tool, basic dust shroud, and cordless vac for $736 (bring your own batteries)

I looked at that thanks to your link, interesting. And the tuck point shroud added into the bundle takes it to $788
I don't have (or want) any Makita batteries. Right now I have no Makita tools. But the more I look at their whole line of tools I think maybe that's where I should have been all along. It might be time to think about dumping DeWalt, RIDGID, Bosch, and whatever else I have laying around and go all in on Makita. They seem to have everything I might want. I have 35 batteries between all the different brands in various sizes (AH rating) and voltages. Could probably get by with 8 if all my tools were the same brand/voltage.

Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Phil Beckley on July 20, 2019, 06:32 PM
Hi Bob,

I think the DSC-AGC is simply not meant to be dismantled, and retrofitted with AGC parts (on site). And with the shroud on, it's not suitable for the tasks mentioned. From a manufacturers standpoint that makes sense.

As a user, I'm looking at it the same way as you do. I also would like to know if it is possible to safely turn the DSC-AGC into an AGC if needed/wanted. (Or vice versa if one got the AGC.) As I also suspect they are the same "underneath the hood" so to speak. ;)

But I guess the official answer to that will be, understandably, no. ;)

For the mortar joints I'd say the DSC-AGC with the dust collection shroud will be superior, but obviously you can do it with the AGC, too. I don't think that using any of the two on this type of work would violate any guidelines/rules set out by the manuals.

Kind regards,
Oliver

Hey Oliver
They are two separate machines for two different applications. They cannot be converted as the blade direction would incorrect - one is a push cut the other a pull cut so converting is not easily possible
As for mortar raking it is not recommended as it’s a battery machine and corded would be better
Rg
Phil
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Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Bob D. on July 20, 2019, 09:50 PM
Thank you for explaining the differences between the two tools Phil.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: shu on July 29, 2019, 10:17 AM
Hi Phil,

I'm about to do a work to cut 20mm thick engineering stones like Caesar Stone and polish the cut surface and edges. The stone are factory half made and I just need to do some final touch-up's before installing. Is AGC 18 my best choice?

Regards.

Shu
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on August 22, 2019, 05:29 PM
I want to rotate the gearbox 90 degrees. Then the grinder is better held and both covers can be used.  [smile]

Follow my instastories "Festool"  [wink]  https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/17924551492220740/
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: Otakar Svojše on August 22, 2019, 05:50 PM
Another tuning, the grinder has a speed of 8500 rpm, the same as the FEIN WSG 17-150. The FEIN 150mm cover will be placed on the festool and a 150mm diameter cutting disc will be used  [cool] The user must work sensitively  [wink].

Grinder Fein WSG 17-150
https://fein.com/cs_cz/broueni-normalni-frekvence/kompaktni-uhlova-bruska/wsg-17-150-p-0342181/

Fein grinder cover 150mm
https://www.naradionline.cz/kryt-kotouce-uhlove-brusky-fein-wsg-150-festool-agc-18.html
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: wpz on September 11, 2019, 04:11 PM
Somebody on the forum here (@gret_carpentry)  seems to have found a picture of the new TID18 impact driver:

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wpz
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: dzuir on October 15, 2019, 11:36 AM
Any news about TID 18 impact driver?
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: anabolikas on October 16, 2019, 05:47 AM
Any news about TID 18 impact driver?
Hi, sorry, I wasn't following the full topic so maybe it has already been mentioned, but I've heard the new impact is gonna have a new gen. BL motor inside.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: serge0n on October 16, 2019, 02:34 PM
Any news about TID 18 impact driver?
Hi, sorry, I wasn't following the full topic so maybe it has already been mentioned, but I've heard the new impact is gonna have a new gen. BL motor inside.

That's what I heard as well, next gen EC-TEC motor. It also appears to have a torque control wheel on the base and 4 or 5 different modes of operation.
Title: Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
Post by: neilc on October 18, 2019, 02:24 PM
Picked up the new Vecturo yesterday.  I like it!  Comes with two bluetooth enabled batteries - smaller than the drills so the weight distribution and balance of the tool is nice.  I had the earlier Vecturo which I will give to my son.

This unit uses the new star lock blade connector from Fein, Festool and Bosch collaboration.  It's so much easier to change blades than the older Vecturo.  Unfortunately, none of the older blades are compatible and I have not seen an adapter and don't really see one as likely given how the new connector grabs the blades.

One thing I did notice is this unit does have a much quieter and smoother motor.  Much easier on the hands and the ears to use.

The snap on base for plunge cuts has an adjustment for setting the guide to the blade.  And it has a vacuum port. 

Overall a nice kit!