Author Topic: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others (Read 81352 times)

Jmacpherson · « **Reply #60 on:** November 05, 2018, 01:56 PM »

If anything new was at Festool connect 2018 the attendees won't share any material on social media/internet until those products have launched.

I was at a Festool roadshow here in South Africa mid October and the rep mentioned to us that he has something exciting (guess that means new?) to share with us but we have to wait about 3 months. So I'm guessing Jan 2019 product launches.

I don't need a Festool impact, have a great Makita already but if they get it right it will be very tempting.

Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits · « **Reply #61 on:** November 07, 2018, 05:23 PM »

Quote from: jobsworth on November 05, 2018, 10:09 AM

Quote from: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on October 26, 2018, 11:16 AM
TKS80 is intriguing as it indicates a deviation from the pull-saw CS50/70 varieties. Tisch-Kreis-Säge simply means "table(circular)saw" and the others are listed as "pull-saws" in german. It might share add ons from the CS70 and if so could be a potentially great small workshop saw?

Oh well, the impact is on the shortlist. Unless they screwed it up like the Ti15 it is a welcome addition for me.
A cordless Vecturo is nice but I got that tool covered by another brand or two already.

HmmmI wonder if festool is now selling the saw stop under their own name as they recently aquired it and had one one at Festool connect ( still under the saw stop brand name).

I didn't know Festool acquired Saw Stop, and that would make sense; offering a Festool table saw with the saw stop feature.
Will be quite expensive of course...

Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits · « **Reply #62 on:** November 07, 2018, 05:24 PM »

Quote from: Jmacpherson on November 05, 2018, 01:56 PM

If anything new was at Festool connect 2018 the attendees won't share any material on social media/internet until those products have launched.

I was at a Festool roadshow here in South Africa mid October and the rep mentioned to us that he has something exciting (guess that means new?) to share with us but we have to wait about 3 months. So I'm guessing Jan 2019 product launches.

I don't need a Festool impact, have a great Makita already but if they get it right it will be very tempting.

I am covered with the Hitachi triple hammer but if Festool makes a really really nice one it would be hard to resist for me.

jimbo51 · « **Reply #63 on:** November 07, 2018, 05:37 PM »

TSK 80 with 210 or 260 mm blade?

If they include SawStop technology, I would guess 260 so as to minimize changes to cartridge.

Will they include a pull saw feature like Mafell or would that compete with Kapex too much?

What will be the advantage of the Festool saw in Europe where I assume the Bosch is still selling their flesh detecting blade stopping saw?

After underestimating the Woodpecker slab tool so much, I do not think I will try to guess the price of the TSK 80.

Gregor · « **Reply #64 on:** November 07, 2018, 06:21 PM »

Quote from: jimbo51 on November 07, 2018, 05:37 PM

TSK 80 with 210 or 260 mm blade?

Given festools model names of the past any numbers either denote power requirements (as with the routers) or cutting capacity (as with the TS). So my guess would be the 80 is ment in mm - as the TS 75 uses a 210mm blade and (in rail or CMS use) has 70mm capacity 210 would be too small, the 260mm one (that gives 88mm in the kapex and given a little deeper mounting of the axis as of the retract mechanic) could end up at 80mm.

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If they include SawStop technology, I would guess 260 so as to minimize changes to cartridge.

My guess is they will (it would be quite pointless to buy SawStop if they wouldn't use the technology) and I hope they'll use the same blades that go into the Kapex 88/120. That's at least what I would do as product manager: already existing consumeables both keep production/stocking costs down and do not turn off my customers by forcing to get yet another set of blades.

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What will be the advantage of the Festool saw in Europe where I assume the Bosch is still selling their flesh detecting blade stopping saw?

Bosch dosn't seem to sell them in Germany (havn't checked rest of Europe).

Svar · « **Reply #65 on:** November 07, 2018, 06:59 PM »

Quote from: Gregor on November 07, 2018, 06:21 PM

I hope they'll use the same blades that go into the Kapex 88/120. That's at least what I would do as product manager: already existing consumeables both keep production/stocking costs down and do not turn off my customers by forcing to get yet another set of blades.

Miter (specifically SCMS) and table saw blades are not interchangeable. Because of the degree of freedom during the plunge and how the material is supported SCMS require different tooth geometry to prevent climbing. Even Kapex 60t universal blade has -5 deg. hook angle. Compare it to cross cut table saw blades, which are usually +5 deg. Specialty blades are also different.

Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits · « **Reply #66 on:** November 09, 2018, 03:43 PM »

Quote from: jimbo51 on November 07, 2018, 05:37 PM

TSK 80 with 210 or 260 mm blade?

If they include SawStop technology, I would guess 260 so as to minimize changes to cartridge.

Will they include a pull saw feature like Mafell or would that compete with Kapex too much?

What will be the advantage of the Festool saw in Europe where I assume the Bosch is still selling their flesh detecting blade stopping saw?

After underestimating the Woodpecker slab tool so much, I do not think I will try to guess the price of the TSK 80.

I think the name gives away that it is not a pull saw, but a "regular" table saw.

Svar · « **Reply #67 on:** November 09, 2018, 04:03 PM »

Quote from: Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits on November 09, 2018, 03:43 PM

I think the name [TSK] gives away that it is not a pull saw, but a "regular" table saw.

That would be unfortunate. Pull saw is a brilliant idea. You add cost and marginally weight, but don't compromise any other function by having pull capability.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #68 on:** November 10, 2018, 07:30 AM »

Since buying an ATF 55 in 2003 I’ve only used my very good table saw for ripping stuff less than a foot wide, and very small stuff.

I’ve long thought a portable table saw, as a companion to a plunge cut circular saw, should be in the form of something like a short plank, about 14” wide and 3 feet long, width a pair of wheels on the outboard end.

The new narrow mft add-on would be a good housing for such a portable table saw.

rst · « **Reply #69 on:** November 10, 2018, 10:14 AM »

Like Micheal, I also have a very good table saw...Powermatic 66 that I added a Jet sliding table (no longer available) and made it larger by adding 8020 2040 extrusions. The only thing that I've use it for is thin rips and making slots for dividers using Freud's 1/4-3/8" slotting set.

Greenhoe · « **Reply #70 on:** November 10, 2018, 06:54 PM »

On eBay and Amazon a few Festool dealers are discounting the Kapex by 10% or more like they did with the previous tools each time a newer model came out so we should be hearing from Festool soon on the new Kapex.

adrianp · « **Reply #71 on:** November 14, 2018, 03:53 PM »

I've been told that the new Kapex has a new lateral support system (added arms or something like this). Haven't seen it yet but I will probably soon.

Peter Halle · « **Reply #72 on:** November 14, 2018, 06:01 PM »

Quote from: Greenhoe on November 10, 2018, 06:54 PM

On eBay and Amazon a few Festool dealers are discounting the Kapex by 10% or more like they did with the previous tools each time a newer model came out so we should be hearing from Festool soon on the new Kapex.

If dealers in the US are discounting the Kapex then I suspect that they are doing it at their own risk. I never trust ebay and Amazon prices advertised until the shopping cart number comes up.

Peter

Bob Marino · « **Reply #73 on:** November 24, 2018, 11:54 AM »

Quote from: Peter Halle on November 02, 2018, 07:11 PM

when it comes to when tools will arrive to either NA or elsewhere I know that everyone loves to speculate and interpret but I would offer a caution that the document posted was not a public announcement and obviously changes can be made to whether or not to bring, timeframe if, etc.

peter

Absolutely correct, Pete. As of now, Festool USA has made no announcement - or even hinting, about what tools and accessories will become available here in 2019. All I do know for sure is that it will be a looooooooooong time before we get all the tools at the same time they are available in Europe.

amcore · « **Reply #74 on:** November 24, 2018, 06:06 PM »

Here are the new Kapex KS 120 REB

https://www.festool.com.au/products/tools/sawing-oscillating/saws/sliding-compound-mitre-saws/ks-120/ks-120r-kapex-260mm-slide-compound-mitre-saw-set_5

ChuckM · « **Reply #75 on:** November 24, 2018, 06:48 PM »

Smoking motor concern fixed?

Other than the side fences, what are the new or improved features as compared to the KS 120 EB?

Gregor · « **Reply #76 on:** November 25, 2018, 12:51 AM »

Laser seem to be gone (new one has a led shadow line). No clue if that's an improvement, in case it's the same module as the one in the KS 60 (where it's invisible in sunlight) then IMHO it's a downgrade.

Jmacpherson · « **Reply #77 on:** November 25, 2018, 04:56 AM »

Looks like they might have changed something because there is 250mm diamond blade listed as an accessory now which is not on the other Festool sites around the world.
https://www.festool.com.au/products/accessories-and-consumables/sawing-oscillating/saw/blades/cutting-steel/250mm-pcd-diamond-saw-blade-16-tooth_f28291

From my understanding and info I've been told by retailers/reps etc. you can only use a 260mm blade on the current version of the Kapex.

Its kerf is 2.2mm vs 2.6mm, bore is the same @30mm but I don't see how 0.4mm is preventing us from using smaller blades currently?

Gregor · « **Reply #78 on:** November 25, 2018, 08:54 AM »

Quote from: Jmacpherson on November 25, 2018, 04:56 AM

Looks like they might have changed something because there is 250mm diamond blade listed as an accessory now which is not on the other Festool sites around the world.
https://www.festool.com.au/products/accessories-and-consumables/sawing-oscillating/saw/blades/cutting-steel/250mm-pcd-diamond-saw-blade-16-tooth_f28291

From my understanding and info I've been told by retailers/reps etc. you can only use a 260mm blade on the current version of the Kapex.

Its kerf is 2.2mm vs 2.6mm, bore is the same @30mm but I don't see how 0.4mm is preventing us from using smaller blades currently?

Compatibility listing contains the KS 88 (which is a 120 without laser) for that blade, so I guess they only list the new 120 R as the old (EB) one is discontinued.

DeformedTree · « **Reply #79 on:** November 25, 2018, 11:14 AM »

Quote from: ChuckM on November 24, 2018, 06:48 PM

Smoking motor concern fixed?

Other than the side fences, what are the new or improved features as compared to the KS 120 EB?

Smoke will now be routed out thru the side fences to make it less distracting to the user

I would think Festool will have gone to extra measures to make sure there are no issues this time. If they have failures on the new one, it will be a serious hit to them. The big question will be who will step up to buy one first.

ChuckM · « **Reply #80 on:** November 25, 2018, 01:29 PM »

Quote from: DeformedTree on November 25, 2018, 11:14 AM

Snip.

Smoke will now be routed out thru the side fences to make it less distracting to the user

I would think Festool will have gone to extra measures to make sure there are no issues this time. If they have failures on the new one, it will be a serious hit to them. The big question will be who will step up to buy one first.

Not via some enhancement to the dust collection port?

bvps · « **Reply #81 on:** November 26, 2018, 07:47 AM »

new Festool Ctl Midi Video is out:

Jonny14 · « **Reply #82 on:** November 26, 2018, 01:34 PM »

Does the video show the sander battery with built in Bluetooth 🤔

neeleman · « **Reply #83 on:** November 26, 2018, 01:39 PM »

Yes, the BT logo on the battery of the DTSC 400 shows at 0:21.

grobkuschelig · « **Reply #84 on:** November 27, 2018, 08:07 AM »

CTL Mini and Midi shown as „available from January“ on the German Festool website now.

Scorpion · « **Reply #85 on:** November 28, 2018, 12:45 AM »

Quote from: Bob Marino on November 24, 2018, 11:54 AM

Quote from: Peter Halle on November 02, 2018, 07:11 PM
when it comes to when tools will arrive to either NA or elsewhere I know that everyone loves to speculate and interpret but I would offer a caution that the document posted was not a public announcement and obviously changes can be made to whether or not to bring, timeframe if, etc.

peter

Absolutely correct, Pete. As of now, Festool USA has made no announcement - or even hinting, about what tools and accessories will become available here in 2019. All I do know for sure is that it will be a looooooooooong time before we get all the tools at the same time they are available in Europe.

Here’s what I don’t get - why can’t they announce 2019 releases in both US and European markets at the same time? Couldn’t possibly be that difficult.

Otakar Svojše · « **Reply #86 on:** November 28, 2018, 03:35 AM »

I'm already testing in Blatná

Alex · « **Reply #87 on:** November 28, 2018, 05:50 AM »

I can't believe they put a lid on top of the Midi AND made the knob to secure systainers an integral part of that. I use the top of my Minis constantly to store stuff when I'm working, and also very often change between the 27 and 36 mm hoses, and now I have to open and close a lid every time? Bonkers.

I'm not ever buying this version, that's for sure. Pretty sure my current Mini will last me another 10 years until Festool has figured out a lid in that place is not very productive.

mrB · « **Reply #88 on:** November 28, 2018, 06:47 AM »

Different opinions Alex. I MUCH prefer the new design. Keeps the hose in and gives me a flat surface to put things on.

Gregor · « **Reply #89 on:** November 28, 2018, 07:19 AM »

Quote from: Alex on November 28, 2018, 05:50 AM

I can't believe they put a lid on top of the Midi AND made the knob to secure systainers an integral part of that. I use the top of my Minis constantly to store stuff when I'm working, and also very often change between the 27 and 36 mm hoses, and now I have to open and close a lid every time? Bonkers.

Would be a nice feature should T-loc systainers stick to the lid so it could be opened without having to take off what's ontop (like opening a T-loc in the middle of a stack), from watching the video it looks though that this isn't the case (as the back systainer feet seems to latch into the non-lid part of the top).