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Offline mrB

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Where's this cordless grinder then?
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

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Offline mal_lynam

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Where's this cordless grinder then?
Isn't that the burning question........and maybe the impact driver.....

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Offline Otakar Svojše

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Offline mrB

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Nice. I'm happy to see it has speed control. It will double nicely as a cordless Sander for certain tasks :)
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline jronman

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I wonder what cool features the grinder has.



Offline Bob D.

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Can a metal cutting blade be used on the AGC-18?
Cold cut not the abrasive type.
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Offline LooseSox

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Angle grinder would spin way too fast to use a cold cut blade on. Even dialling the speed down, the potential to use it at a higher speed would be a huge safety risk.

Offline Bob D.

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I found the DSC-AGC 18 manual on the UK site and confirmed the tool is not intended for the following uses or with these accessories/attachments. This list is not all inclusive, you should read the manual.

- Do not attach a saw chain, woodcarving blade, or toothed saw blade. Such blades create frequent kickback and loss of control.

- Do not use accessories that require liquid coolants. Using water or other liquid coolants may result in electrocution or shock.

- Operations such as grinding, sanding, wire brushing, polishing or cutting-off are not recommended to be performed with this power tool.

- This power tool is designed to be used as an abrasive cutting machine.

So it looks like you are limited to dry cutting of masonry/cement/tile/engineered quartz, etc. No surface grinding of these materials is allowed with this tool.

No cutting of metal using cold cut (toothed) blades, abrasive cutting only = lots of sparks but a spark trap is no longer available from Festool.

The DSC-AGC 18 can not be used for sanding or grinding are verboten per the manual. There is nothing that I saw in the manual that says otherwise or if you get conversion kit xxx for an additional $$$ you are OK to do surface grinding and sanding.

So does that mean you need to buy the AGC-18 to do surface grinding or that you have to buy the proper guards and other kit to use the DSC-AGC 18 for grinding and sanding. I ask because underneath the two tools seem identical and it's only the guard/attachments that differentiate them from one another.

Which (if at all) should/can I use for tuck pointing. If I need to cut out mortar joints is either tool acceptable for this use and if so with what accessories.

When I look at the Makita XAG17ZU which is also a 125mm/5" variable speed (3000-8500 RPM) grinder I can get accessories to do the job of both the AGC-18 and the DSC-AGC 18 and it also has BT capability to communicate with their 36v cordless HEPA Vac. The Makita grinder plus a pair of 5AH batteries is about $350, the cordless HEPA vac (which can also be powered from the mains as a corded tool) with a dual battery charger and a pair of 5AH batteries is another ~$825.



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Offline Michael Kellough

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AGC 18 video on Facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/ddsmagazin/videos/2183495308608928/

(Attachment Link)

What is the tool on the left? Surely not the same as the others with the arbor on the right side...?

Offline Michael Kellough

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@Bob D. Amazon has a bundle of that Makita tool, basic dust shroud, and cordless vac for $736 (bring your own batteries)

Offline six-point socket II

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Hi Bob,

I think the DSC-AGC is simply not meant to be dismantled, and retrofitted with AGC parts (on site). And with the shroud on, it's not suitable for the tasks mentioned. From a manufacturers standpoint that makes sense.

As a user, I'm looking at it the same way as you do. I also would like to know if it is possible to safely turn the DSC-AGC into an AGC if needed/wanted. (Or vice versa if one got the AGC.) As I also suspect they are the same "underneath the hood" so to speak. ;)

But I guess the official answer to that will be, understandably, no. ;)

For the mortar joints I'd say the DSC-AGC with the dust collection shroud will be superior, but obviously you can do it with the AGC, too. I don't think that using any of the two on this type of work would violate any guidelines/rules set out by the manuals.

Kind regards,
Oliver

Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline Bob D.

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@Bob D. Amazon has a bundle of that Makita tool, basic dust shroud, and cordless vac for $736 (bring your own batteries)

I looked at that thanks to your link, interesting. And the tuck point shroud added into the bundle takes it to $788
I don't have (or want) any Makita batteries. Right now I have no Makita tools. But the more I look at their whole line of tools I think maybe that's where I should have been all along. It might be time to think about dumping DeWalt, RIDGID, Bosch, and whatever else I have laying around and go all in on Makita. They seem to have everything I might want. I have 35 batteries between all the different brands in various sizes (AH rating) and voltages. Could probably get by with 8 if all my tools were the same brand/voltage.

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Offline Phil Beckley

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Hi Bob,

I think the DSC-AGC is simply not meant to be dismantled, and retrofitted with AGC parts (on site). And with the shroud on, it's not suitable for the tasks mentioned. From a manufacturers standpoint that makes sense.

As a user, I'm looking at it the same way as you do. I also would like to know if it is possible to safely turn the DSC-AGC into an AGC if needed/wanted. (Or vice versa if one got the AGC.) As I also suspect they are the same "underneath the hood" so to speak. ;)

But I guess the official answer to that will be, understandably, no. ;)

For the mortar joints I'd say the DSC-AGC with the dust collection shroud will be superior, but obviously you can do it with the AGC, too. I don't think that using any of the two on this type of work would violate any guidelines/rules set out by the manuals.

Kind regards,
Oliver

Hey Oliver
They are two separate machines for two different applications. They cannot be converted as the blade direction would incorrect - one is a push cut the other a pull cut so converting is not easily possible
As for mortar raking it is not recommended as it’s a battery machine and corded would be better
Rg
Phil
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Offline Bob D.

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Thank you for explaining the differences between the two tools Phil.
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Offline shu

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Hi Phil,

I'm about to do a work to cut 20mm thick engineering stones like Caesar Stone and polish the cut surface and edges. The stone are factory half made and I just need to do some final touch-up's before installing. Is AGC 18 my best choice?

Regards.

Shu
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 10:20 AM by shu »

Offline Otakar Svojše

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #288 on: August 22, 2019, 05:29 PM »
I want to rotate the gearbox 90 degrees. Then the grinder is better held and both covers can be used.  [smile]

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Offline Otakar Svojše

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #289 on: August 22, 2019, 05:50 PM »
Another tuning, the grinder has a speed of 8500 rpm, the same as the FEIN WSG 17-150. The FEIN 150mm cover will be placed on the festool and a 150mm diameter cutting disc will be used  [cool] The user must work sensitively  [wink].

Grinder Fein WSG 17-150
https://fein.com/cs_cz/broueni-normalni-frekvence/kompaktni-uhlova-bruska/wsg-17-150-p-0342181/

Fein grinder cover 150mm
https://www.naradionline.cz/kryt-kotouce-uhlove-brusky-fein-wsg-150-festool-agc-18.html

Offline wpz

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #290 on: September 11, 2019, 04:11 PM »
Somebody on the forum here (@gret_carpentry)  seems to have found a picture of the new TID18 impact driver:

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Offline dzuir

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #291 on: October 15, 2019, 11:36 AM »
Any news about TID 18 impact driver?

Offline anabolikas

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #292 on: October 16, 2019, 05:47 AM »
Any news about TID 18 impact driver?
Hi, sorry, I wasn't following the full topic so maybe it has already been mentioned, but I've heard the new impact is gonna have a new gen. BL motor inside.

Offline serge0n

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #293 on: October 16, 2019, 02:34 PM »
Any news about TID 18 impact driver?
Hi, sorry, I wasn't following the full topic so maybe it has already been mentioned, but I've heard the new impact is gonna have a new gen. BL motor inside.

That's what I heard as well, next gen EC-TEC motor. It also appears to have a torque control wheel on the base and 4 or 5 different modes of operation.

Online neilc

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #294 on: October 18, 2019, 02:24 PM »
Picked up the new Vecturo yesterday.  I like it!  Comes with two bluetooth enabled batteries - smaller than the drills so the weight distribution and balance of the tool is nice.  I had the earlier Vecturo which I will give to my son.

This unit uses the new star lock blade connector from Fein, Festool and Bosch collaboration.  It's so much easier to change blades than the older Vecturo.  Unfortunately, none of the older blades are compatible and I have not seen an adapter and don't really see one as likely given how the new connector grabs the blades.

One thing I did notice is this unit does have a much quieter and smoother motor.  Much easier on the hands and the ears to use.

The snap on base for plunge cuts has an adjustment for setting the guide to the blade.  And it has a vacuum port. 

Overall a nice kit!