Author Topic: new Festools January 2022 - battery powered CT SYS + MINI/MIDI + KAPEX  (Read 10232 times)

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Offline Hans Mertens

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Some news from Prowood, a trade fair here in Belgium for everything concerning wood.  Festool had a booth with some new tools on display. 

KAPEX KSC 60 - 576847
A dual-battery powered Kapex, they had a working demo there. No option to use it corded.

CTC SYS - 576810
dual compact-only powered CT SYS, no 5Ah batteries in this one!


CTC MINI - 577065 and CTC MIDI - 577066
MINI and MIDI running of dual batteries, this one will accept the bigger batteries.  No option to use it corded and obviously no outlet.


Also coming out is a dual charger with simultaneous charging, 6Ah, TCL 6 DUO - 576810 or 576811
« Last Edit: October 17, 2021, 02:23 PM by Hans Mertens »

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Offline squall_line

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So much for using the handle on the CT MINI/MIDI...

Very interesting...

Offline slavi.yordanov

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These are pretty cool, it was about time for a cordless vacuum.

It’s a shame the CT Sys will not work with the bigger batteries

Offline Chainring

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Zoom in on the text of the fiirst attachment, top right. That section is aiming at the CTC SYS and in the text, it says 2 x 18V batteries. Next section down, the one for the Mini/Mid, same thing.

And, it sure looks like there's a bunch of space in the SYS with that 4.0 Ah battery in there.

Offline imdking

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Cool! It's about time Festool got with the program. I'm sure the Kapex C will be popular on site. I'll stick with my KS120.

Thanks for sharing, Hans.
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Offline SRSemenza

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And BT on the CT-SYS ! That will make it a very handy vac.

   Now the waiting begins  [sad]

Seth

Offline ScotF

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Very cool!! This would be so handy. No cords anywhere!

Offline Paul_HKI

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I've seen the CTC-SYS in person and I was initially very pleased to see it's going to be available..  The shine went off that very quickly.  Rant follows...  The 4Ah batteries are right up there with the Bott/Sys3 decision as far as I'm concerned.

It's a major disappointment to me that the new CTC-SYS won't take the 5,2Ah batteries.  And it definitely won't, as it needs a pair of batteries to run, but has been designed to take only the 4Ah batteries.  The 'new' ones which are made in China.  Which I will never, ever buy. 

I've bought 4 CTL-SYS over the past number of years.  It's a real PITA that I can't get the Cordless/BT enabled one I'd wanted, but I'm not paying Festool prices to swap out my CTL-SYS, only to have to pay more Festool prices to buy Chinese batteries to go into those new CT's.  That is just not  happening. 

If the batteries are not made in Europe, I'm not buying them.  And if I need chinese made batteries for a Festool tool, I'm not buying that tool either.


The KSC 60 is really nice kit.  I'll be having one of those as soon as they're available.








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Offline notenoughcash

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the batterys are made in poland.

on the other hand, my prayers have been asswerd.  either the sys or the mini will jump out at me i predict.  probabley the sys. 

dancin a jig here......

(bet something of that will be NANIA...................)
« Last Edit: October 18, 2021, 07:35 AM by notenoughcash »
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Offline Paul_HKI

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the batterys are made in poland.

on the other hand, my prayers have been asswerd.  either the sys or the mini will jump out at me i predict.  probabley the sys. 

dancin a jig here......

(bet something of that will be NANIA...................)


The 3,1 and 5,2 are made in Poland/Czech Republic etc.


The 4,0 is made in China.
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Offline JimH2

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I can only hope it is several orders of magnitude better than other cordless vacuums that are currently being sold.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2021, 08:16 PM by JimH2 »

Offline squall_line

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(bet something of that will be NANIA...................)

I know better than to make bold claims and predictions, but I would honestly be very shocked if any of these items found their way to the North American market.  Definitely not the KSC60, and probably not the vacs.

Also, I somewhat understand not providing for mains power for the CTC SYS, but for the CTC MINI and MIDI?  Even if I needed a cordless DE, that's a pretty serious limitation for a DE of that size.  I mean, they're semi-portable, but not THAT portable that they're not useful in a mains-connected situation.

Offline Cheese

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I wonder how long the 4.0 batteries last in the CTC SYS? That looks pretty nice.  [smile]

I used a friend's cordless Milwaukee and it puts out a horrific amount of noise. Convenient...yes, noisy...yes, hurts the ears...yes, would I own one...no.  [crying]

Offline DynaGlide

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I was just thinking about the CT SYS the other day and how it'd take BT and cordless for me to buy one. Guess I have another tool to save up for. The compact battery isn't really a limitation to me I wouldn't be using it all day I envision it for quick jobs that need extraction like the OSC 18 but don't want to haul my big CT up for.

And the prediction these won't come to North America, why wouldn't they? Cordless means easier to bring them over. Even if you had to import it at least there's no mucking around to use them.
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Offline Coen

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I wonder how long the 4.0 batteries last in the CTC SYS? That looks pretty nice.  [smile]

I used a friend's cordless Milwaukee and it puts out a horrific amount of noise. Convenient...yes, noisy...yes, hurts the ears...yes, would I own one...no.  [crying]

Well, if the Bosch competition (GAS 18V-10 L) is any indication; a single 4 Ah battery with 21700 cells (~= Festool HPC 4 Ah battery) lasts about 14 minutes. But there will be noticeable reduction in suction power before that. Battery won't charge straight out of the extractor either because of temperature protection. I had six batteries and two chargers for drill and vac when I did a bunch of 82mm holes in aerated concrete the previous week. I used ProFit's plug buster pro, so no core to chisel out, I turned the whole 82x55mm into dust. See;


Dual 4.0 might last >2x as long. Lower draw per battery, more efficiency, less power losses.

As for the noise; well, with most machines you need hearing protection anyway.

The battery powered CT SYS looks pretty neat. The Mini / Midi look like they just 'attached' a battery blob.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2021, 12:47 PM by Coen »

Offline notenoughcash

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more to the fact, i dont think anyone has noticed that the sys is a sys3............

looks like i am the only one left buying that [big grin]
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Offline SRSemenza

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I just noticed that the tool end connector on the hose has a new type of lock or more likely suction outlet ring.

Seth

Offline squall_line

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Indeed, the green ring looks just like the variable suction ring on the Hand Sanding block connector.

Offline Paul_HKI

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That's what it is alright - variable suction/bypass adjuster ring.
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Offline Cheese

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That's what it is alright - variable suction/bypass adjuster ring.

That makes up for the lack of variable motor speed.

Offline ScotF

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It would be nice to see specs...cfm, run time, etc.

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That's what it is alright - variable suction/bypass adjuster ring.

That makes up for the lack of variable motor speed.

Hard to be sure with such a vague picture, but these extra buttons on the bottom look like they might be used to regulate variable suction.



Offline ForumMFG

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love the battery powered ct-sys idea, hate the fact that they are only using china made batteries for it.  already had to send in 2 of those for replacements.

Offline squall_line

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I mean, theoretically the 3.1 Ah batteries would also fit, and those are made in Poland.  I have either 2 or 4 of them from sets that I specifically sought out over the last year.

Offline Coen

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Well, if Chinese batteries are a problem for you... some parts of the electronics of the CT itself will most likely originate in China as well.

Offline notenoughcash

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big deal about made in china.  all my non festool batterys have never gone funny (5 makita, 4 M12, 3 Parkside, 2 M18), i have had 1 makita die on me, mainly because i droped it and ripped the but that comunicated with the charger and tool off, meaning it was snookerd, but have never had an isue otherwise.

chances are that the cells in the batterys are samsung 18650 or 21700 cells and they come from, you guessed it china.........
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Offline Paul_HKI

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A few pictures for those interested in the CTC-SYS shown by Festool at a trade show in Belgium recently.


Single battery is NOT supported, and there's not enough space for the 5,2 as you can see here with a unit running a pair of 4Ah 'high power' batteries.  I don't know if the 3,1's will work also.  Confirmed, it's battery only, no option to run via mains power supply.  That's unfortunate in one sense, but I guess there have to be limitations on any products feature set.  There's also the argument to be made that not many will want a cordless CT-SYS sized unit as their only dust extractor, so some limitations on potential run-time vs true portability are 'fair enough' I guess.




The new hose end which is included on the forthcoming CTC models supplied AS hose.  The green ring is indeed for varying the suction while you're using a sander, for a degree of fine tuning. 





That's because the control panel does include control for the suction, 3 step via buttons on the panel as shown here.  Note, something that's also possibly not been observed before, is that the new version is also going to be available as a CTMC-SYS.  With M class certification this opens up further possibilities and advantages for trade users of this tool.  I don't have a use for that myself, but it's definitely a positive addition for those who have to meet health and safety requirements regarding their extractors on job sites.  Good move there, Festool.


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Thanks for the detailed update pictures!

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Great info and pics. !

  Variable suction on this unit is also a plus to conserve power in addition to turning down for sanding.

   I am guessing that space within the unit is the reason that it does not have mains and probably the reason for choosing the pair of 4.0 batteries (most battery power in the least space).

Seth

Offline Chainring

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Now it makes sense why 5.2 batteries can't be used. The initial pictures had a single battery and a huge gap in the space. No more mystery.