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Offline gret_carpentry

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New festool tid18 impact
« on: September 11, 2019, 06:11 AM »
Anyone got any details about the new impact? Got this picture but can't seem to find any info

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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2019, 06:15 AM »
Just used my TI15 impact drill yesterday. The 18 version will have to be a lot better to get me to trade up.
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Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2019, 01:53 PM »
Impact drill = forward percussive motion with the purpose of drilling throughconcrete or stone.
Impact driver (e.g. the new TID18) = circular percussive motion with the purpose of creating massive torque to drive large screws or tighten bolts with minimal strain on the wrist.

Completely different products based on completely different tech.

Offline wpz

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2019, 04:02 PM »
Almost a year ago I found some designdrawings from festool (search for festool patents), but this is the first real image I've seen of it.
Where did you find that image @gret_carpentry ?

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Offline Doug S

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2019, 04:34 PM »
Nice looking driver, Festool always seem to produce the best looking tools.

Offline gret_carpentry

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2019, 04:59 PM »
@wps I saw it on someone's Instagram looked like a festool rep at a local tool shop.. I asked but haven't got a response and pics been removed🤔 I saw your original post a year back but haven't seen any thing since

Offline Spandex

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2019, 07:14 PM »
Impact drill = forward percussive motion with the purpose of drilling throughconcrete or stone.
Impact driver (e.g. the new TID18) = circular percussive motion with the purpose of creating massive torque to drive large screws or tighten bolts with minimal strain on the wrist.

Completely different products based on completely different tech.
Not sure I agree...
Impact drill = slightly misleading term for an impact driver that can also be used as a drill (can’t they all, at a push?) - circular impulses.
Impact driver = what you said - also circular impulses.
Hammer drill = what you’re calling an impact drill - forward percussion.

The TI15 mentioned by Birdhunter is a normal impact driver/drill (I.e. circular impulses), so is directly comparable to the TID18.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2019, 08:06 PM »
I never tried to use my TI15 as a drill as I have several other true drills, but it has been excellent in seating big lag bolts into hard wood. I’m not sure that Festool made a good decision in ending its sale. If the new version is better than the TI15, it should be a big seller.
Birdhunter

Offline Samo

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2019, 09:09 PM »
Looks compact.

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Offline Alex

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2019, 04:02 AM »
I’m not sure that Festool made a good decision in ending its sale. If the new version is better than the TI15, it should be a big seller.

The Ti15 was doomed from the start as they tried to sell it off as a hybrid that could do it all. Big mistake. A dedicated driver like this TiD18 is what everybody wanted in the first place, because that's how an impact driver should be. Considering it is 18 volt it should be stronger than the Ti15 also, and have like 7 years technological advancement in it.

Offline mrB

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2019, 06:11 AM »
Looks nice! Still hoping it's a quieter type of impact. And they seem to have located the light by the battery, rather than the retrofitted T18 that has the light where the index finger was designed to go. .
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Online Coen

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2019, 09:06 AM »
Oh nice. Festool thrives with having a whole ecosystem, but the battery-powered tools are kinda lacking.

And since fullsize 12V and 15V are death, it's logical it is 18V

I never understood why they released it in 15V the previous time. Especially since one could buy a set with the PS in 18V combined with a drill... but not in 15V.

Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2019, 12:51 PM »
Looks nice and nimble. It is too small to be a "silent" impact by the looks of it - I could very well be wrong and I hope I am.
Even if the Festool is a standard impact it is a very welcome addition to the line up - better late than never huh?

Too late for me since I sold off all my 18V Festool gear - but congratulations to all still on the hook. :)

After using the Hitachi/Hikoki silent impact for some time now I think it is the nicest drill I have ever used, pretty much perfect for me. I can't see myself ever getting a "noisy" impact for my type of work again though I do have the Hitachi triple hammer which is a very good allrounder should I need a bit more grunt.

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Offline Alex

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2019, 04:31 PM »
I can't see myself ever getting a "noisy" impact

@Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits Are there less noisy impacts now?

Offline rst

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2019, 04:47 PM »
Milwaukee's Surge hydraulic is as quiet as a drill and the four setting modes are great, I have their older model and the Surge is my go to for everything.

Offline serge0n

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2019, 04:38 PM »
Looks like an impact driver. It also looks like it will accept Centrotec and regular bits. I wonder what Festool added to this impact to make it more advanced than others.

Ti15 was the most pathetic impact driver ever built. I sold it immediately after it couldn't drive in a 2.5" screw into a 2x8. I had to switch to a 12v Hilti drill that drove the fastener in without any issues.


Offline Doug S

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2019, 06:02 PM »
Looks like an impact driver. It also looks like it will accept Centrotec and regular bits.


From my quick look at photo and drawings I presumed it just took hex bits, never thought about Centrotec. Thinking about it I can't imagine it not taking Centrotec but does anyone else think photo and drawing look like a hex bit?

Offline SRSemenza

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2019, 01:04 AM »
Looks like an impact driver. It also looks like it will accept Centrotec and regular bits. I wonder what Festool added to this impact to make it more advanced than others.

Ti15 was the most pathetic impact driver ever built. I sold it immediately after it couldn't drive in a 2.5" screw into a 2x8. I had to switch to a 12v Hilti drill that drove the fastener in without any issues.

Seriously?  I have one. No problem doing that even with 1.5 aH 12v battery instead of 15v.  I always have thought the drill idea (even for expedient use) was clunky and just not good. But it has done driving duties fine for me. But I don't build decks and drive 100's of 3" screws either. I'll have to try some bigger stuff and quantities just to see how well it works.

    In any case the new 18v should be better regardless of how good or bad the old one is / was.

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Offline Alex

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2019, 01:47 AM »
Looks like an impact driver. It also looks like it will accept Centrotec and regular bits.


From my quick look at photo and drawings I presumed it just took hex bits, never thought about Centrotec. Thinking about it I can't imagine it not taking Centrotec but does anyone else think photo and drawing look like a hex bit?

From what I can see here it only takes standard hex bits, not centrotec.

Offline SRSemenza

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2019, 10:25 AM »


From what I can see here it only takes standard hex bits, not centrotec.

  If it only takes standard bits maybe that is part of the reason behind the Centrotec Rapidapter that is coming out? To help compatibility across the line.

Seth

Offline serge0n

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2019, 05:22 PM »
From what I can see here it only takes standard hex bits, not centrotec.

Looks like I was wrong, the bit retaining portion is too shallow for a Centrotec bit. That's a bummer if true.


Seriously?  I have one. No problem doing that even with 1.5 aH 12v battery instead of 15v. 


Maybe something was wrong with my tool? I was screwing a pair of 3/4" pine boards to the bottom of 2x8 joists in the basement using 2.5" #9 GRK screws and Ti15 couldn't do it. I had 15v 3.0 Ah Li-Ion battery installed. A 12v Hilti had no problem finishing the job.
And the failure to drive fasteners was not the only instance. I loved the electronic clutch, so it was sad to see Ti15 go, but it's performance was absolutely abysmal. I got a C15 a few months back and really enjoying it. It got loads more power than my old Ti15.

Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2019, 01:49 AM »
I can't see myself ever getting a "noisy" impact

@Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits Are there less noisy impacts now?

Yes, a few. I am not sure if Hitachi/Hikoki were first but they have a very nice one with a superb grip that has been out for a quite a few years already. I got my unit from Japan though they are available in Europe (just not in my country...). It is very quiet and I don't need to use ear protection with it. Quite strong but it is not for very large screws or bolts. After getting I am no longer waiting on the Festool impact. The Hitachi quiet immpact fits my work perfectly.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2019, 02:35 AM »
Makita makes an oil pressure based one that's supposed to be quieter too.

Offline Alex

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2019, 03:05 AM »
If it only takes standard bits maybe that is part of the reason behind the Centrotec Rapidapter that is coming out? To help compatibility across the line.

Not related. The Centrotec Rapidapter doesn't fit the impact driver. It was simply time for an updated adapter because the old one just sucks.

Looks like I was wrong, the bit retaining portion is too shallow for a Centrotec bit. That's a bummer if true.

Why? Why would you even need centrotec in the impact driver?

First, centrotec is not impact rated, and second, you only need ball-detent hex bits for the impact driver, nothing else. It is already a quick change system, and the bits for it are readily available.

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2019, 10:35 AM »
If it only takes standard bits maybe that is part of the reason behind the Centrotec Rapidapter that is coming out? To help compatibility across the line.

Not related. The Centrotec Rapidapter doesn't fit the impact driver. It was simply time for an updated adapter because the old one just sucks.

Looks like I was wrong, the bit retaining portion is too shallow for a Centrotec bit. That's a bummer if true.

Why? Why would you even need centrotec in the impact driver?

First, centrotec is not impact rated, and second, you only need ball-detent hex bits for the impact driver, nothing else. It is already a quick change system, and the bits for it are readily available.


    Intentionally   related or not ...........................  it  is  related.   Think the other way around. The Centrotec Rapidapter makes standard bits of all types compatible with the Centrotec on Festool drills.   So the ball detent bits for the impact work in the Festool drills.

   The older Festool adapters are not as good and only hold one type of standard bit (wire or ball).

Seth

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2019, 03:45 PM »


Seriously?  I have one. No problem doing that even with 1.5 aH 12v battery instead of 15v. 


Maybe something was wrong with my tool? I was screwing a pair of 3/4" pine boards to the bottom of 2x8 joists in the basement using 2.5" #9 GRK screws and Ti15 couldn't do it. I had 15v 3.0 Ah Li-Ion battery installed. A 12v Hilti had no problem finishing the job.
And the failure to drive fasteners was not the only instance. I loved the electronic clutch, so it was sad to see Ti15 go, but it's performance was absolutely abysmal. I got a C15 a few months back and really enjoying it. It got loads more power than my old Ti15.

   Just to follow up on this...........................

     I didn't do a longevity / quantity test which obviously would not be that great with a 1.5ah 12v battery as compared to a 15v or large 18v. But  here are a couple pics of a #10 x 3 1/8" GRK driven into 3" of maple. No pre drilling.  The battery (1.5 ah, 12v) had just gone from three lights to two lights on the charge indicator. Timed it twice at 10 sec. Maybe not real fast but it was not struggling either. After starting the screw for about 1/2" I used just one hand on the driver. The time includes the screw starting.

   

     I don't do a lot of impact driving just a few screws here and there. I am sure  that an 18v in most brands would out perform the old 15v Festool. But I do think something must have been wrong with the one you had.

   


Seth

Offline demographic

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Re: New festool tid18 impact
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2019, 03:14 PM »
Looks Ok and doesn't have that spazzy flippy outy belt hook thing either.
Having that as part of the range makes me much more inclined to buy the other drill.
I've already got the HKC saw which has been a constant use tool since I bought it.
Not so fussed about the SDS drill mind as it doesnt offer as much as the competition.