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Offline wpz

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New Festool power adapter coming?
« on: July 06, 2021, 08:50 AM »
Found this online:

333254-0

here:
https://www.industria24.pl/adapter-sieciowy-aca-220-240-18v-festool

First I thought it was a fake image, but they seem to be genuine Festool dealers.

this is a crude translation:

Details
Description:
- No time limits: if we want to get a permanent electric power supply, we can replace the 18 V battery (3.1Ah, 5.2Ah, 6.2Ah) with a plug it power adapter - an ideal solution in conjunction with a Festool mobile vacuum cleaner
- for operation without interruptions with the mains supply of Festool cordless devices
- not suitable for devices working with 18 V Ergo batteries
- ergonomic, lightweight design

Equipment:
- plug it power cable (4 m)
- in SB packaging for hanging on a perforated wall
 More information
More information
our price
PLN 799.00
Short description
ACA 220-240 / 18V power adapter from Festool
Technical data
- Weight 0.4 kg
- Input voltage 220 - 240 V
- Voltage 18 - 20 V
Weight
0.7000
Manufacturer
Festool


Does anyone have more info about this new product?
wpz

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Offline Bob D.

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2021, 09:16 AM »
Interesting concept but it doesn't seem possible.

You would have to convert your mains AC power to 18V DC (at load) and have a amperage capacity equal to the max discharge rate of a battery. Plus you will need some cooling of some sort as I doubt air cooling will work for very long if they want to try to replicate the run time of a battery.
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Online squall_line

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2021, 09:32 AM »
"ACA 220-240/18v Ergo" is the name of the mains adapter for the sanders.  It appears that they just cribbed the idea and the product name and mocked up something in photoshop.  This is the concept that is brought up from time to time in the "Festool Wish List" section/thread.

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2021, 10:53 AM »
This reminds me of a few years ago when there was a lot of speculation that Milwaukee was going to offer a track saw...




And then reality set in...



Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2021, 12:37 PM »
Interesting concept but it doesn't seem possible.

You would have to convert your mains AC power to 18V DC (at load) and have a amperage capacity equal to the max discharge rate of a battery. Plus you will need some cooling of some sort as I doubt air cooling will work for very long if they want to try to replicate the run time of a battery.

I can't speak to the validity of this particular product, but this concept has been implemented several times over the years. In the late 90's/early 00's Dewalt had a 24V NiCad platform that had a AC adapter as an option, and I believe that Metabo HPT (Hitachi/Hikoki) offers this on their 36V line of cordless. The Dewalt system incorporated the AC converter into the "battery" block, while the current Hitachi offering has the AC converter inline with the cord. So, definitely possible and has been implemented by a variety of manufacturers, but it's a bit of a niche use case.... 

Dewalt Flexvolt saw with 120V corded adapter: https://www.dewalt.com/products/power-tools/saws/miter-saws/flexvolt--120v-max-12-in-cordless-double-bevel-compound-sliding-miter-saw-kit-2-batteries/dhs790at2

Hitachi adapter: https://www.metabo-hpt.com/us/main-navigation/item/et36a-36v-multivolt-ac-adapter
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Offline morts10n

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2021, 02:43 PM »
Im waiting for cordless battery chargers

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2021, 02:48 PM »
Im waiting for cordless battery chargers

The already have them.

https://www.festool.com/press/pi-16-17/folder-press-information-16-17/sys-powerstation

Lots of companies make "powerstations"

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Offline jimbo51

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2021, 04:21 PM »
The price of 799 is eye catching. I wonder who the target audience is.

I am looking forward to compressed vacuum for dust extractors. I think that concept has a lot of potential over cordless.

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2021, 04:27 PM »
The price of 799 is eye catching. I wonder who the target audience is.

For which item?

For the original post, PLN 799,00 comes out to around $210 USD.  That's higher than the Ergo Mains adapter which only retails for $120 USD.

Then again, pricing between countries and regions is rarely in line with direct exchange rate conversions.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2021, 03:20 AM »
Surprised so many missed the obvious. Look at the part number listed in the product page: 202501. Confusion resolved.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2021, 05:11 AM »
Lots of companies make "powerstations"

Milwaukee offers this...
https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Batteries-and-Chargers/Other/2846-20

Nice, needs a 1/4-20 thread in the body so you can mount a GoPro or other camera. Then you could run a camera for extended periods and not worry about the battery draining.
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Offline JimH2

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2021, 01:21 PM »
People on this forum make stuff. I am certain with a scrap 1x4 and threaded insert you can cobble together what you need without waiting for a product that will never be created. Post of photo of your creation for all of us to see. It is a good idea.

Offline Coen

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2021, 02:42 PM »
Interesting concept but it doesn't seem possible.

You would have to convert your mains AC power to 18V DC (at load) and have a amperage capacity equal to the max discharge rate of a battery. Plus you will need some cooling of some sort as I doubt air cooling will work for very long if they want to try to replicate the run time of a battery.

You don't need 18V at load as the battery doesn't offer that either (it sags). This thing is also listed as being 700 grams... so definitely some room to work with. People that want to use tools under full load during longer periods should have bought the corded tool to begin with.

They have something equal with the sanders.

Also, the DC output doesn't have to be 'clean' like it has to be for a computer.

Offline notenoughcash

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2021, 04:01 AM »
just googled the part number that someone posted above and it led me to the standard one of the sanders.


if they did do that, i would snap one up in an instant for my tsc, but i would like to know if it would run like it does on 18v.
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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2021, 09:59 AM »
Nice, needs a 1/4-20 thread in the body so you can mount a GoPro or other camera. Then you could run a camera for extended periods and not worry about the battery draining.

Here ya go Bob...a teaser.  [smile]


Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2021, 01:55 PM »
@Cheese  okay, you can plug it in but does it run?

DX 93 pulls fewer than 175 watts?

Offline mino

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2021, 08:52 PM »
@Cheese  okay, you can plug it in but does it run?

DX 93 pulls fewer than 175 watts?
150

Ref OP, the photo is clearly shopped.

I guess someone figured it will be a good scam target. They will sell the Ergo adapters overpriced by 100% and when the buyers will complain, they will say the part number was right and the "bad photo" is not a reason for a refund. And I am sure they have "photos are illustrative" somewhere in their small print ...
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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2021, 11:56 PM »
@Cheese  okay, you can plug it in but does it run?

DX 93 pulls fewer than 175 watts?

Like a champ @Michael Kellough...the DX is rated at 150 watts. I started with the ETC EC 125/150 and the power draw was too much. It would slowly spin once or twice and then immediately shut down. 

So I went to the DX which was at hand and away we went. This photo is what I managed to sand in about 15-20 minutes with the DX 93 using 180 grit Granat on aged teak. The battery was a 90 watt version. And after the sanding was done & this photo was taken the battery had just changed to level 2.

I then swapped in a 72 watt battery and sanded a different piece of furniture for about 15 minutes, the power level was also at 2 when I finished after 15 minutes.

Using a DMM, the voltage checks in at 116-117 volts, pretty consistently for 4 different batteries. That's probably far more uniform power than some power companies in the US are capable of producing. My local mains typically produces 120 volts ±1 volt.












Offline rst

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2021, 09:38 AM »
Wonder how the ETS would fair with one of the 12amp batteries, I have one of those, two 8amp and three 9amp that I use for my Milwaukee air compressor, blower and trimmers.  PS, I've used Stihl trimmers for 40 years, selling the two I have, Milwaukee's string is amazing.

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2021, 10:01 AM »
Wonder how the ETS would fair with one of the 12amp batteries, I have one of those, two 8amp and three 9amp that I use for my Milwaukee air compressor, blower and trimmers.  PS, I've used Stihl trimmers for 40 years, selling the two I have, Milwaukee's string is amazing.

Ya that could be interesting...the 5A is the largest I have as the rest of my tools are all small, drills, impacts, RA grinders, Sawzall, lighting etc. All my "outdoors" tools are Stihl but recently I purchased the Milwaukee hedge trimmer and it works as well as the Stihl and I think it's also lighter. Also been considering selling the Stihl chain saw and moving to the Milwaukee electric. Living in the city, the battery powered item would attract less attention.  [big grin]  Glad to hear about the string trimmer also, as I'm considering swapping that out too.

Offline wpz

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2021, 10:16 AM »
333432-0
333434-1

specs:

turns a Festool battery into a power bank and a wireless charger
inductive charging surface
USB-A and USB-C connector
robust rubberized construction
for all Festool 18V lithium-ion batteries (except 18V 3.1Ah Ergo)
when using a Festool 18V 5.2Ah battery, it is possible to charge up to 8 x mobile phones with a battery capacity of 3000 mAh
possibility of charging (power supply) up to 3 devices at once
inductive charging compatible with Qi-BPP / PPDE 5W / 9W
! Supplied without battery and cables, picture with phones for illustration only!
! available from September 2021!

Technical parameters:
USB-A performance   12W
USB-C performance   12W
induction surface   8.5W
output voltage   18V
mass   0.2 kg


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Offline wpz

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming or A FAKE
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2021, 07:25 PM »
Found this online:

(Attachment Link)

here:
https://www.industria24.pl/adapter-sieciowy-aca-220-240-18v-festool

First I thought it was a fake image, but they seem to be genuine Festool dealers.

Got an email back from Festool today and it's official, the product in my original post IS A FAKE!

This is their reply:
"We have made the inquiry to our Product Specialists and they can confirm to us that this is a counterfeit product . This is certainly not ours, unless there are prototypes in circulation from an unknown project."




The wireless phone charger in my previous post however is a real Festool product and it will probably be available from September (in Germany)

wpz
« Last Edit: July 12, 2021, 07:31 PM by wpz »

Offline JakubBorowiec

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2021, 04:18 AM »
It was April Fool's Day  [big grin] [big grin]


Offline amcore

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2021, 07:00 AM »
nah i dont believe it [scratch chin]! Festool did the same when that photo of the Rotex 90 came out, told us that it was fake.. a month later they launcht it, so i never believe Festool when they say someting is fake :P :-*

In my reality that power adapter will be exellent for the upcoming KSC 60 miter saw, or maybe a tablesaw or dust extractor?
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Offline wpz

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2021, 03:09 PM »
It was April Fool's Day  [big grin] [big grin]



So, mystery solved, thanks @JakubBorowiec!
It's an April fools prank from 2 years ago  [big grin] [big grin]
They might want to take it down from their website after two years though, no?  [wink]

wpz

Offline mrB

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2021, 04:25 PM »
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

specs:

turns a Festool battery into a power bank and a wireless charger
inductive charging surface
USB-A and USB-C connector
robust rubberized construction
for all Festool 18V lithium-ion batteries (except 18V 3.1Ah Ergo)
when using a Festool 18V 5.2Ah battery, it is possible to charge up to 8 x mobile phones with a battery capacity of 3000 mAh
possibility of charging (power supply) up to 3 devices at once
inductive charging compatible with Qi-BPP / PPDE 5W / 9W
! Supplied without battery and cables, picture with phones for illustration only!
! available from September 2021!

Technical parameters:
USB-A performance   12W
USB-C performance   12W
induction surface   8.5W
output voltage   18V
mass   0.2 kg


wpz

If it doesn’t work with the 3.1ah batteries, then sadly I won’t be buying it. That seems mad, and no logical reason!! Is this statement simply relative to those specs of run time?

4 of my 6 batteries are the 3.1 compact. Love those.
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Offline wpz

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2021, 04:41 PM »

If it doesn’t work with the 3.1ah batteries, then sadly I won’t be buying it. That seems mad, and no logical reason!! Is this statement simply relative to those specs of run time?

4 of my 6 batteries are the 3.1 compact. Love those.

Hi @mrB,
 
I think you might have misunderstood
"for all Festool 18V lithium-ion batteries (except 18V 3.1Ah Ergo)"

So it works with the 3.1 compact batteries, just not the 3.1 ergo ones from the sanders, which seems logical because of the shape.
these are the ergo batteries:
333744-0


wpz






Online squall_line

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2021, 05:15 PM »
which seems logical because of the shape.

What, you don't like your charger rolling away on you? ;)

Offline wpz

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2021, 05:35 PM »
Hey @squall_line,

To be honest, I've never understood why Festool came up with these "ergo" batteries for the sanders.
Why didn't they just make them so they work with the regular (or compact) batteries, it seems to work for the OSC 18 vecturo.

Sometimes I get the impression that there are multiple design teams working at Festool and they don't communicate at all.
A bit weird for a brand that is known for it's system integration.


Anyway, rant over, just had to get that off my chest  [big grin]

wpz

Online squall_line

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2021, 05:50 PM »
@wpz , they didn't ask me, but I got the impression from all of the marketing materials that it was all about keeping the sanders properly balanced.  As you said, they could have just extended the body of the sander to let the battery hang farther back, but that would have probably screwed up the ergonomics, thus the "ergo" designation?  I'd imagine the sander would be awkward to grip with a square battery on it, even if it was still balanced.

The better question might be "who authorized the mains adapter for the Ergo battery but not the regular battery" at this point. ;)

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Offline mrB

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2021, 06:07 PM »

If it doesn’t work with the 3.1ah batteries, then sadly I won’t be buying it. That seems mad, and no logical reason!! Is this statement simply relative to those specs of run time?

4 of my 6 batteries are the 3.1 compact. Love those.

Hi @mrB,
 
I think you might have misunderstood
"for all Festool 18V lithium-ion batteries (except 18V 3.1Ah Ergo)"

So it works with the 3.1 compact batteries, just not the 3.1 ergo ones from the sanders, which seems logical because of the shape.
these are the ergo batteries:
(Attachment Link)


wpz

Ah of course!! Thanks for clarifying!!

I thought my incorrect assumption seemed bonkers, but remembering the TCS won’t run on the 3.1ah I thought the trend was absurdly continuing.

Very glad that’s not the case, and will definitely be picking one of these up. I actually asked/prayed for it in the festool wish thread. With so many festool batteries knocking around in my daily life it will be super convenient to have this.
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Offline wpz

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2021, 06:26 PM »
@wpz , they didn't ask me, but I got the impression from all of the marketing materials that it was all about keeping the sanders properly balanced.  As you said, they could have just extended the body of the sander to let the battery hang farther back, but that would have probably screwed up the ergonomics, thus the "ergo" designation?  I'd imagine the sander would be awkward to grip with a square battery on it, even if it was still balanced.

The better question might be "who authorized the mains adapter for the Ergo battery but not the regular battery" at this point. ;)

Maybe it was partly because of the mains adapter that they decided to make the battery a new shape, so you can't fit 2 of those mains adapters on 1 TSC 55.
I bet that would give some fireworks, especially if you plug them into 2 different electrical phases   [blink] [scared] [eek]

Other brands place the battery in a vertical orientation to keep the centre of gravity in the right place:
333754-0333756-1333758-2333760-3

or just like this:
333762-4

I think it's clear by now that Festool needs to hire us both as consultants and send us free tools for evaluation, wouldn't you agree?  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

wpz

Offline mino

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Re: New Festool power adapter coming?
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2021, 09:40 PM »
Other brands place the battery in a vertical orientation to keep the centre of gravity in the right place:
...
Except none of those are properly balanced. Not even close.

As for ergo adapter and no adapter for big batteries. Simples. Vastly differing power requirements. Where the sanders are all guaranteed to be 250-300 watt tops, the big batteries can easily be expected to deliver 1000 watts in some of the heavier tools like a HKC etc.
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