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Offline Cheese

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Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2019, 12:28 AM »
@Cheese
Where did you get the pricing and pictures from?

@DynaGlide  I believe I went to the German Festool website to garner that info. I was surprised at the price considering the Festool premium but was still not sure it was a deal breaker for the average Joe looking for an alternative to the Shop Vac that sells for $89 at wherever...
« Last Edit: November 27, 2019, 12:31 AM by Cheese »

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2019, 08:49 AM »
https://www.festool.de/produkte/saugen/absaugmobile/575988---ct-15-e-set#Overview

I guess I'm still interested. The inclusion of the non-AS hose is annoying. If I saw myself wanting to upgrade that to the green new style @ $130 then might as well get into a CT MIDI with the hose included as well as Bluetooth. Yup I think I just talked myself out of this odd CT 15.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2019, 08:53 AM by DynaGlide »
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Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2019, 03:22 PM »
For me, personally, I think the MINI is the worst of the lot, for such a small bag vs size the CTL Sys makes more sense for weight.

The CT15 has the largest bag size and the lowest price and up until recently most people got by fine without Bluetooth. I see the CT15 as an alternative to the MIDI and a better option than the MINI.

Personally I prefer my Bluetooth MIDI and my Bluetooth outfitted CTL26.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2019, 04:37 PM »
For me, personally, I think the MINI is the worst of the lot, for such a small bag vs size the CTL Sys makes more sense for weight.

The CT15 has the largest bag size and the lowest price and up until recently most people got by fine without Bluetooth. I see the CT15 as an alternative to the MIDI and a better option than the MINI.

Personally I prefer my Bluetooth MIDI and my Bluetooth outfitted CTL26.

But why.. I have the mini Bluetooth, and the CT SYS. It is also about where the dust collector might fit, not everyone drives big vans, some have spaces that the mini just fit. I have a perfect height saw table on wheels for my CS50, where I used to have a Kärcher which I had to remove the wheels to get it to fit under, before I bought the mini I took some measures, and the mini fits perfect in this space, without removing anything. This means I have the top of the CS50 in same height as MFT/3 and all the accessories will fit, since it is the same height. And I can drag it out of it’s “cave” to roll it to another job. The mini also fits under my car's boot cover, just, it couldn’t be even a centimetre higher, and I would have to remove the cover. The difference in height between mini and midi is about 5cm, the new CT15 is even 3cm’s lower than the mini. I’m going to use a separator with the table saw, as I did with the Kärcher. (I have space under the table for that as well, behind the extractor). As someone else in here has done, is to order the bottom of the Midi, to essentially have both, by just exchanging their base. The CT SYS does not have Bluetooth or variable suction, and is therefore a second choice for me, but nonetheless a great addition. Funny though, Festool charges roughly $50 more for the Midi for the 5cm higher walls of the Midi’s base.. I haven’t checked what the base with wheels alone costs. I really like the Mini/Midi, they have a very good set of features, and both are very compact and easy handled units.

Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2019, 05:50 AM »
I agree that the smaller MINI is "practical" in terms of space and fitting under a CS50. But that's about where the logic ends.

I also have a CS50 and in my opinion the CT MINI is the last (well, after the CTL SYS) Festool vac I would use for a table saw. First of all the very small bag capacity. The MINI is good for sanding, general clean up and borderline ok for small routing.
Secondly the small diameter hose (which you can increase by getting a bigger one which you cannot fit in the hose garage...) and don't forget about the reduction in suction when the  bag is starting to fill up.

I have had the MINI, I have the CTL SYS, the current MIDI and CT22 and CTL26. The CTL SYS and MINI competes with making most or least sense. The CTL SYS should be upgraded with BT and variable suction in my opinion but other than that I am not thrilled with the concept of the MINI or CTL SYS for having such low bag capacity.

In the end I decided the MINI was neither here nor there for me and that the CTL SYS is a great complement to the MIDI on site for small cleanup or even wearing over the shoulder keeping things clean when drilling in high places.

The CT15 would be more interesting to me, if I didn't have the CTM MIDI. The MIDI is a little large but does a great job and I rarely need to bring the CTL26 and the MIDI is much lighter with the bag nearing full than the CTL26 is.

Also true is that the CTL SYS on a skate is pretty much the same size as the MINI with less performance but for some jobs it is a lightweight and very manageable piece of kit for tasks where the amount of dust generated is small to begin with.

 
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Alex

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Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2019, 10:14 AM »
I agree that the smaller MINI is "practical" in terms of space and fitting under a CS50. But that's about where the logic ends.

Not sure you can speak about "logic" here, because everybody's situation and preferences are different.

Different solutions for different people, and they all have their own logic. One person may be mobile all the time, another might have a big shop, and another might have a small shop and yet another might have no shop at all and has to store his tools in a closet somewhere.

So the Mini doesn't work for you, fine, there are plenty of other options and I'm sure you're happy with some of them. I have 2 Mini's and I am perfectly happy with them. I traded my 26 for a Mini because of the smaller footprint and the suction is almost the same with the newer types. I use my Mini with the CS70 all the time, and takes me about a day of sawing to get the bag full, so what, a €3 bag is no problem on a full days' wages.

Offline Vondawg

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Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2019, 10:46 AM »
I agree on all points, everyone’s needs are different...the mini travels well with its small footprint and handles a lot
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2019, 12:52 PM »
I agree with @Alex and @Vondawg.
I’m sure the mini or midi won’t fit everyone’s need. And if I can afford it later, when I have built my shop in my small yard house, I might look for a CT26 or similar. But still, I think the mini will be the one I’ll keep beside a larger unit. I think the CT SYS will go before the mini, it is such a compact and feature rich unit, with its cleaning system, and a filter drawer. And if you use it with a separator for bigger loads of saw dust, as with a table saw, the “small” volume of the bag wouldn’t mean anything. Suction is the same as Midi, and those are very close to the CT26.

For hose that comes with, I have already bought one for sanding and cutting (with sleeve), and I might even get one larger diameter hose for general use, maybe a 5 metre, as I think the Mini/Midi will cope well even with a longer hose (I might be wrong, so if anyone have tried, I would like to hear about your experience) In the way I work now, I can store the extra hoses on the wall. This means I can always have the hose that came with the Mini tucked in it’s garage, for more mobile use.

Offline Alex

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Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2019, 04:05 PM »
and I might even get one larger diameter hose for general use, maybe a 5 metre, as I think the Mini/Midi will cope well even with a longer hose (I might be wrong, so if anyone have tried, I would like to hear about your experience)

Both my Minis I have the standard AS hose of 27 mm and I also have a non-AS 36 mm hose. The 36mm hose has a noticeably stronger suction than the 27 mm hoses, if you add 1,5 meter extra that is not going to make a difference. I often use my a 27 hose connected with my 36 if I have to sand high up.

What I do agree with Henrik about is that the loss of suction can be pretty quick and that's pretty annoying. Sometimes you have to change the bag when it's only 50 or 60% full, and that's a bit of a shame.
 

Offline bwehman

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Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2019, 02:41 AM »
This would be great as a dedicated unit to a Kapex.

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2019, 12:09 PM »
@Alex :
Thanks for sharing your experience. I’ll certainly jump for a 36mm hose then, preferably 5m. I’ll even test extending with a smaller diameter hose in the tool end. It might work for the odd occasion. I see that CT Mini till to at least CT36, is coming standard with a 27/36 hose... it is only the CT SYS that comes with 27/27 hose.. Even that combo has worked with my Makita 18V palm router.

And yes, the CT 15 would be an economically good alternative to stationary work as table saw dust collector. It is well above $200 cheaper than a Mini/Midi, and you can stay Festool, and use almost all accessories you have from before with it.