Author Topic: new festool extractor?  (Read 3449 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Kylec57

  • Posts: 59
new festool extractor?
« on: November 18, 2019, 05:52 PM »
Seen a video on Instagram of a new dust extractor. Looks to be a cheaper model perhaps? Instagram link https://www.instagram.com/p/B5BCXA7qb1r/?igshid=vdi3jrtsb9vi
Screen grab

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline Alex

  • Posts: 6194
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2019, 05:59 PM »
Looks to be a cheaper model perhaps?

Looks like the CT Mini updated to have the same appearance as the bigger CT26.

It is just the smaller model. Cheaper? Festool don't do cheaper.

But nice find.

Offline DynaGlide

  • Posts: 564
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2019, 07:25 PM »
They're calling it the CT15. I recall that showing up somewhere in a parts number leak a while back. Looks to come with a 22mm hose.
Instagram @matts.garage

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 6631
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2019, 08:24 PM »
It doesn’t appear to have the antistatic hose.

Offline xedos

  • Posts: 136
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2019, 08:31 PM »
Looks to me to be a mini MINI without a hose garage and with a standard hose. 

Probably slotting it in the lineup between CT-MINI and CT-SYS in both price and capacity.

Offline Bob D.

  • Posts: 1394
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2019, 06:58 AM »
-----
It's a table saw, do you know where your fingers are?

Offline Alex

  • Posts: 6194
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2019, 07:47 AM »
The one on the left is the new CTL Mini I. It is out alreadu and for sale everywhere.

But I could not find the one on the right on any website yet.
   

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 6631
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2019, 09:25 AM »
They're calling it the CT15. I recall that showing up somewhere in a parts number leak a while back.

You're right...for the sleuths out there, the new list of part numbers for 2019 includes a mobil dust extr CT 15 HEPA USA...574831

The other CT shown is referred to as a mobil dust extr CT MIDI I HEPA USA...574837

Also see this thread
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/new-tools-for-2019-including-ctm-midi-and-kapex-updates-among-others/msg593391/?topicseen#msg593391
« Last Edit: November 19, 2019, 09:29 AM by Cheese »

Offline mrB

  • Posts: 582
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2019, 09:37 AM »
Yeah new CTL midi on the left, maybe this CT15 is a replacement for the CT17? Certainly an upgraded design if so. And if it's in the same price range as the CT17 it'll probably sell very well. .
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Alex

  • Posts: 6194
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2019, 09:42 AM »
Certainly an upgraded design if so. And if it's in the same price range as the CT17 it'll probably sell very well. .

Dunno, I've never seen a 17 in the wild, while I see the Mini and 26 on a daily basis. But the 15 is most certainly a lot better looking than the 17.

Offline SRSemenza

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 9010
  • Finger Lakes Region, NY State , USA
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2019, 10:02 AM »
Hmmmm, I don't know.  Foot print is smaller. But having to pile the hose on top pretty much negates any real size advantage. 

And no Systainer attachment.

     Those taken together I think I would want a regular Mini or Midi. And even though a Midi is technically larger it would most likely be smaller in actual use when it comes to convenience and real space.  Looks like purely a price targeted item.

   
Seth

Offline Michael Kellough

  • Posts: 4323
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2019, 12:34 PM »
Hmmmm, I don't know.  Foot print is smaller. But having to pile the hose on top pretty much negates any real size advantage. 

And no Systainer attachment.

     Those taken together I think I would want a regular Mini or Midi. And even though a Midi is technically larger it would most likely be smaller in actual use when it comes to convenience and real space.  Looks like purely a price targeted item.

Seth

I think what you’re trying to say is that new highly compromised vac is horrible.


Offline mrB

  • Posts: 582
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2019, 12:39 PM »
. . And no Systainer attachment. .

Seth

Oh rubbish. I had thought it looked like you could, hence my comment on the better design. .
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline SRSemenza

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 9010
  • Finger Lakes Region, NY State , USA
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2019, 01:01 PM »
. . And no Systainer attachment. .

Seth

Oh rubbish. I had thought it looked like you could, hence my comment on the better design. .


It appears that the video demonstrates no Sys attachment.

Seth

Offline xedos

  • Posts: 136
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2019, 01:18 PM »
Who do we think this is going to be aimed at ?

The core customer isn't going to want it for punch out work because the ct-sys is just better suited. They're not likely to want it for regular or shop like work either.  Too low a capacity, and the separators won't fit on it.

I can't imagine it being cheap enough to go after the on the fence crowd either.

Puzzled

Offline Alex

  • Posts: 6194
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2019, 04:36 PM »
Who do we think this is going to be aimed at ?

The core customer isn't going to want it for punch out work because the ct-sys is just better suited. They're not likely to want it for regular or shop like work either.  Too low a capacity, and the separators won't fit on it.

I can't imagine it being cheap enough to go after the on the fence crowd either.

Puzzled

Are you familiar with the European market?

Offline xedos

  • Posts: 136
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2019, 12:36 PM »
Not as much as you are, so I will,ask again:

who or what segment / trade is this vac targeted at ?

Are you buying one ? What are you going to use it in place of ?

Offline morts10n

  • Posts: 222
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2019, 06:07 PM »
It's only use is for cleaning the outside of other vacs [tongue]

Offline tobiaskurz

  • Posts: 18
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2019, 09:30 AM »
For me it locks that the Sys-dock isn't the only missing feature.
The CT 15 (if its so called) has no brake, the manual filter cleaning function wich the CT MINI/MIDI has is missing. Most important the Bluetooth connectivity is missing although.
Alongside with the already mention non Antistatic house there is an huge gap between the CT 15 and the CT MINI/MIDI.
I am curious if it is cheep enough to compensate all downsides.

Offline KGB pilot125

  • Posts: 70
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2019, 09:58 AM »
For me it locks that the Sys-dock isn't the only missing feature.
The CT 15 (if its so called) has no brake, the manual filter cleaning function wich the CT MINI/MIDI has is missing. Most important the Bluetooth connectivity is missing although.
Alongside with the already mention non Antistatic house there is an huge gap between the CT 15 and the CT MINI/MIDI.
I am curious if it is cheep enough to compensate all downsides.

if you took all those away from my 26 or my MIDI you would have to make it as cheap as a Shop Vac brand because that is all you are selling me.

Offline Bert Vanderveen

  • Posts: 557
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2019, 10:28 AM »
Not as much as you are, so I will,ask again:

who or what segment / trade is this vac targeted at ?

Are you buying one ? What are you going to use it in place of ?

I can imagine tradesmen who work in Parisian apartments being very happy with a small and light vac. My late GF used to rent an apartment on the edge of the Marais and hauling our luggage and other stuff up those 86 stair threads always really took it out of me.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2019, 10:38 AM by Bert Vanderveen »
Cheers, Bert Vanderveen

TS55 · TS55R · OF1010 · DF500 Mk2 · MFT/3 + TSB1-MW 1000 + VL + CMS TS55 + CMS PS300 + LA-CS 70/CMS · CTL Midi · RTS400 EQ · 2 x CXS Li 1,5 · T15+3 Li 4,2 · TI15 Impact Li 4,2 · Centrotec Sets 2008 + 2015 · PSB300 · LR32-SYS · RO150 · Kapex KS120 · 2 x MFK700 · RO90 · OFK700 · BS75 · OFK500 · OF2200 · CMS-GE … | Mirka 1230L P&C | Hammer A3 31 Silent Power · Hammer N4400 · Hammer HS950 

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 6631
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2019, 11:41 AM »
if you took all those away from my 26 or my MIDI you would have to make it as cheap as a Shop Vac brand because that is all you are selling me.

You're exactly correct...it's for those that want a vacuum with Shop Vac utility but with a Festool name on the product instead. So given the "extra value" or cachet of the Festool name, this thing would have to be priced in the $150-$200 range to be competitive.

However, unless this CT 15 is made in China or a similar location, it will never be priced in that range. Thus the question becomes who will pay $300-$350 for a bare bones/stripped down Festool vac?

Offline Michael Kellough

  • Posts: 4323
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2019, 11:50 AM »
I assume it will still have a by-pass motor design so it’ll be much quieter than a Shop Vac. That’s something.

Offline Svar

  • Posts: 1910
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2019, 12:06 PM »
I assume it will still have a by-pass motor design so it’ll be much quieter than a Shop Vac. That’s something.
Not to mention power socket, auto-start, and variable speed.
CT17, a similarly stripped down machine has been selling for years. Why would this one be any different?
« Last Edit: November 21, 2019, 12:24 PM by Svar »

Offline xedos

  • Posts: 136
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2019, 08:00 PM »
Quote
you would have to make it as cheap as a Shop Vac brand because that is all you are selling me

What do you think the chances of that are ?

Quote
I can imagine tradesmen who work in Parisian apartments being very happy with a small and light vac.

And why wouldn't they just go for the MINI or the SYS ?  The ones that would allow them to attach their other systainers to make it easier to walk up those stairs and make less trips doing so.  Plus the other drawbacks mentioned once there.   

How many CT17's do you guys in Europe see ?   I'll bet it's not a big seller.   NAINA , probably because no one would buy it.

« Last Edit: November 22, 2019, 08:04 PM by xedos »

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 6631
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2019, 10:27 AM »
Well the price for the CT 15 is $340.

And this is the way Festool recommends moving the vac around. The hose appears to be strapped to the top.






The storage area for the vac attachments is rather nice.


Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2019, 03:50 PM »
I don't think it is all too bad if you look at size vs bag capacity.
 
It has a 15L container and a full 15L filter bag capacity which is way better than the MINI which has a 10L "capacity" though the filter bag is only 7.5L. I hated the MINI while I had it: only slightly smaller than the MIDI and dropped performance so much faster when the bag filled up a little bit. The CT15 has double the filter bag size than the MINI.

I have the current CTM MIDI which has a 15L "capacity" but a 12.5L filter bag. The new CT15 has a 2.5L "advantage" over the MIDI if you will. If you don't mind the lack of BT and primarily use it for cleaning up and light duty with the machines it might not be so bad after all considering the price difference.

That grey hose is not my favourite though. I use it on my oldest CT22 for general clean up in the workshop and have a cyclone on top which is metal and that static hose keeps me alert when I drag my feet around... zap zap.

I love the current CTM MIDI for the BT as well as performance and I use it the most out of my four vacuum cleaners from Festool. Since I use a lot of non Festool gear the on/off switch at the hose saves the day, every day.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline DynaGlide

  • Posts: 564
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2019, 04:17 PM »
@Cheese

Where did you get the pricing and pictures from?

I'll weigh in on why I'd be interested. I have a CT 26 with the WCR 1000 on top. It's shop bound. But there's times I'd like to setup elsewhere in and around my house. Example: going to be doing some reno work next year on my office. It'll be a couple month project and I'd like to just setup a second work area. I know if I move the CT 26 upstairs I'll inevitably need it back in my shop in the basement. The CT Sys has too many compromises for me to get excited about it. This CT 15 can be easily carried and setup, has bluetooth, and all of the main things I'd be looking for. If the price @ 340 is accurate it gets me excited. The next vac up I'd consider is the MIDI @ 540 and that's more than I'm interested in spending.
Instagram @matts.garage

Offline neeleman

  • Posts: 1242
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2019, 05:06 PM »
@Cheese
This CT 15 can be easily carried and setup, has bluetooth, and all of the main things I'd be looking for.

Sorry but the CT 15 has NO Bluetooth!
It also lacks a systainer bay, wheel brake and a green AS hose.
But that's why it's 35% cheaper then the CTL Midi I (in Europe).
Used to FT high pricing, it's a bargain in my eyes!
Festoolian since 1998.
FESTOOL:
RTSC400Li | CTL MIDI I | SYSROCK BR10 | SYSLITE KAL II | SV-SYS D14 | DSC-AG125FH | CDD9.6 | SYSLITE DUO | DF700 | HKC55 | TXS2.6 | CTL SYS | CXS2.6 | DWC18 | CTWings | BHC18 | CS50 | CMS-OF | MFT/3 | MFT/3-VL | KS120 | TS55 R | PSC420 | PS420 | BS75 | RAS115 | RO90 | RO150 | RS400 | RTS400 | RS300 | LS130 | DX93 | ETS150/5 | ETS150/3 | OF1010 | OF1400 | OFK500 | MFK700 | T18 | EHL65 | CTL26 | CTL22 | WCR1000 | D27-AS Plug-it | D36 UNI-RS | D36x7 | D50x2.5 | FS800 | FS800/2 | FS1080/2 | FS1400/2 (2x) | FS3000/2 | FSK250 | FSK420 | Gecko Dosh | Toolie | CE-SYS-2010 | RB-SYS CART (2x) | LEV1400 | LEV350 | SYS-MFT
PROTOOL:
CHP26 | PDC18 | FLC UNI | VCP260 | DSC-AGP125 | DSC-AGP230 | DSG-AGP125 | DRP16

Offline DynaGlide

  • Posts: 564
Re: new festool extractor?
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2019, 05:17 PM »
Well shoot. Guess I'm back to looking elsewhere.
Instagram @matts.garage